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Posted by: supertech

Took my first shot this afternoon. 250mg of GT test enanthate.
25g x 1 needle, Stuck it in my left shoulder.Everthing went smooth and painless,though shoulder is now a little sore.

I used a 20g x 1.5 pin to withdraw the test out,needle looks big,probable should of used a 23g.looks like it left a good size hole in the rubber stopper.

Going to shoot 250mg every 4th day,so next one will be monday.Going to rotate shoulders,glutes,and probably quads.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Sounds like a good plan ST. Welcome to the club!

20g is ideal for drawing. The hole will close. It is normal for your shoulder to feel sore. Unless you have nerves of steel, you probably moved the syringe around a bit. This will make the inject spot get sore a bit sooner, but once you learn to hold the syringe steady while aspirating and injecting, you'll find the site doesn't get sore until several hours later. How sore depends a lot depends on the BA content of the gear.

Posted by: Mudge

I've used 20g without problems in a 50cc jug, the 18s are overly huge. Drawing with 23s is way too slow, even a single cc is painfull. There are 21s or 22s out there if you can find them, but 20g should not make a visible hole in there.

I shoot with 25s.

Posted by: BCC

I draw with 18s. Although I've had problems before.

Once the needle got part of the rubber stopper in it because it was so large and I ended up getting rubber in my gear.

But 20 seems safe to use.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally posted by Mudge
I've used 20g without problems in a 50cc jug, the 18s are overly huge. Drawing with 23s is way too slow, even a single cc is painfull. There are 21s or 22s out there if you can find them, but 20g should not make a visible hole in there.

I shoot with 25s.

Hey mudge how long does it take you inject with a 25g? From everything I have read they say a 23 is best for oils. Obviously smaller the needle the better for whatever your jabbing it into

Posted by: Mudge

Shoot I've stuck 3cc through a 27g, it takes around a minute or so. I prefer smaller for less trauma, a 27g is pushing it a bit because they are only half an inch long. Slower injections in theory allow the oil to spread out a bit, injecting too quickly can help promote a sterile abcess.

23g are decent, I've used them, but I do well enough with a 25.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by BCC
I draw with 18s. Although I've had problems before.

Me too. I was preoccupied one time and jabbed myself in the thigh not realizing that I had NOT changed out the 18g pin. I never made that mistake again. lol

Posted by: Mudge

I forgot once with a 20g, it never penetrated. I kept pushing being frustrated, until common sense told me 25g goes in like a knife through butter.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I think 1'' 25g is going to be my delt/quad pin, and 1.5'' 23g for my ass. Its kind hard for me to twist around that far and stay that way for a minute pushing the plunger.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

I use a 25g and the most I've injected at one time is 1.5cc. Took about 30 seconds.

Posted by: supertech

Got a few questions;

What do you guys do with your used pins.

Is there any special care for your 10ml bottles after you poke your first hole in it.

Did not aspirate on shot,nurse friend said that she done so many IM injection,that she knows where to inject.Should I trust that or should I have her aspirate any way

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

its like driving a car without a seatbelt, you have been driving for a long time so why use it...then there is that one time something goes wrong and wham your f*cked. I guess my answer to that is why risk it?

Posted by: Dale Mabry

1) Stick them in an empty bleach jug.

2)No special care. Some people make sure you are pushing in an equal amount of air into the vial before you draw to keep the pressure inside constant. Don't know if that is necessary, but I do it anyway since it makes drawing it easier.

3)Make her aspirate.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally posted by supertech
What do you guys do with your used pins.

Is there any special care for your 10ml bottles after you poke your first hole in it.

If you see a doc you get one shot maybe once every 5 years, the risks are low. TRUE they will know where major veins and arteries are but still bodies are individual. I have NEVER been inside a vein while injecting but I have gone through them probably a dozen times if not more (likely more).

Sterilize the top of the bottle before inserting your pin, rubbing alchol is fine, dry it or let it dry however because you dont want that inside the bottle or your body.

Mine is not yet full, I ONLY put pins in here, I put the pusher in a protein container with other garbage.

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Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
1) Stick them in an empty bleach jug.

2)No special care. Some people make sure you are pushing in an equal amount of air into the vial before you draw to keep the pressure inside constant. Don't know if that is necessary, but I do it anyway since it makes drawing it easier.

3)Make her aspirate.

You can also go to the pharmacy at wal mart and get a Sharps container. They are right there on the shelf.

Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge

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Oops, I did not see this link when I posted.

Posted by: supertech

Quote:

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
You can also go to the pharmacy at wal mart and get a Sharps container. They are right there on the shelf.

Ok..this may be a dumb question, If you get the sharp container, do you throw that in the trash when full or are you suppose to take somewhere to be disposed of properly

Posted by: Mudge

Take it to a clinic or hospital for disposal. I myself would probably look for some kind of free clinic or etc, they will be used to seeing drug addicts and such. I dont know when I plan to do this myself, and when putting ONLY the pins inside there the containers last for a good long while, even on ED injections.

Some people are using spray foam inside the protein container tops when they are done and they are just trashing them. The pins themselves should be incinerated.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I get my bleach from sam's club, and those bottles are pretty big. I will probably use it for my cycle. I think I will be able to fit all the pins in there. Drive by some local appartments and toss the bottle in their dumpster at night or something. That way if anyone is looking through your trash you wouldn't be caught with the stuff.

Posted by: supertech

What are the first signs, that the test is working.Or should I say what should I be expecting.?

Posted by: Mudge

Sex drive is the first thing to expect, maybe a couple initial water pounds, and if you are eating right when it "kicks in" the gains come fast.

Posted by: supertech

So when you say kicks in,thats when I will notice the strength gains....and thats around the third week?

Posted by: Mudge

For me around the third week on test only was when things started happening. I was putting something like 1/4" on my arms for awhile weekly, on my bench around 10 pounds a week.

I was not tracking my diet my first time but I was quite pleased with the gains at that time, there is no way to question when it is working because you see it dramatically change you. When its working, its working!

Posted by: JerseyDevil

I almost wish I hadn't decided to use M1T for the first 4 weeks on my first test cycle. Usually on M1t only, 30mg a day I gain about 10-11 lbs, and my bench hits 305. But I usually lose those gains fairly fast, retaining some strength and LBM.

I've completed my 5th week of test enan, and stopped the M1T (20mg ed) last Saturday. During this week I actually dropped 1-2 lbs, I think mainly water weight, but I really don't feel the test has quite kicked in yet, although my weight is up 16 lbs, and arms up 5/8". One thing for sure though, each workout I seem to be making a new PR in one or two exercises, my sex drive is over the top, and I seem to look wider then ever, but I wouldn't describe it as dramatic. I'm hoping week 6 will be where I start seeing a more dramatic change....

Oh yeah, calories for last week I averaged 4,200 and 320 grams of protein, which is about 1,000 calories more a day then what I figure to be my maintenance.

Posted by: supertech

This mourning I did my second shot,This time I did it my self.
Things did not go smooth this time.
After stabbing the needle in me,I pulled back the plunger to aspirate and it seemed like air bubbles were in the syringe.I kind of freaked and ended up moving the needle alot.
Then I started to inject but i may have went to fast cause right at the end,the oil started to leak out from the syringe.

Posted by: Mudge

You are always to get either air or blood. Some people (dont ask me why) actually thought it was vacuum. The seal isn't all that great, you are sucking in air. There is no harm in shooting it unless you are inside a vein, and you would not be if you got air only.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Yeah man. You WANT to see air bubbles, and not blood when you aspirate. Even if you are in a vein, it would take a lot more air then a couple of small air bubbles to do you harm.

Posted by: supertech

Hey I thought test gives you energy...But this past week I felt more tired and less energetic than normaly.

Posted by: Mudge

These aren't energy supplements, red blood cell count will go up but it has little to do with energy. That is some misconception that I dont know where it came from other than "oh it must make you superhuman."

Posted by: supertech

I read somewhere that it it gives you a sense of well being and more energy.

I think I got it from one of those HRT web sights.
Anywho...what about being more fatigued then usual...is that a side effect from test?

Posted by: Mudge

I would say for the most part I do feel better and tire less easily, usually when fatigue is a problem it seems to be tied to blood pressure. Have you tested it recently? I think I may look at mine today myself, if I can fit in the cuff at the store.

Posted by: Just a guy

i noticed when i was on D-bol In the mid after noon i would be sooooooooo tired.

Posted by: supertech

one week,next jab tomorrow....only up 2 lbs,strength is same..been sweating more than usual and face and scalp feel oilyer.
Shit....cant wait for this stuff to kick in.

Posted by: Mudge

I was sweating a lot my first time, but bloating up 20 pounds will do that.

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