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When do side effects kick in?

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Posted by: Michael D

I was just wondering when things usually start moving. I started Monday before last.

Things like hair loss, acne, irritability, reduced sperm count etc.

I have noticed that my sex drive is crazy. That happened about a week after my first shot. No strength gains yet.

One more thing, I have been sleeping a lot more since my first shot and have been not too motivated when it comes to working out. I blame most of that on the "gear flu" I have been plagued with.

Thanks anyone.


Posted by: Mudge

Hair loss is genetic.

Acne, depends, took me months to see it.

Irritability is bullshit.

Reduced sperm count, depends on when you are releasing it and how fast and how hard your suppression is.

Quote:
Originally posted by bandaidwoman
Here is a link that show how roid rages are a fallacy ( people who went into them had underlying personality disorders rather than being caused by steroids.) psychiatrists concede that there usually is an underlying personality disorder that predisposes someone to the psychiaric complications of steroids. Unfortunately, no doctor is screening them for these disorders before placing them on steroids. Much the same way a person with manic depressive disorder cannnot be put on certain antidepressants willy nilly since they can flip into mania.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408595_5



Posted by: Just a guy

Get this shit... i usually have HORRIBLE rage's because im violent prone(child hood stuff) But i started taking 10mg's of Nolva ED and MAN do i feel good... I havent broke nothing... i havent punch a wall... My girl pissed me off and i took a deep breathe and said... Ok... and she was like WHAT?! she was expecting me to throw something. I think its all the estrogen that roids makes your body put out that does make some people moody. What ya think??


Posted by: Just a guy

Funny shit... my hair started growing more... No hairloss but my damn WIG want quit growin... fuckin shit.. gotta get a haircut about everyweek so i can still SPike it up.


Posted by: ZorroAzul

Mudge, I've read both sides of the argument.

One mentioned as an example the wild animals (Bulls, Bears, Lions) with extremely high testosterone levels, and how their aggressiveness would significantely go down as they age and the testosterone levels are decreased. The study pointed towards animals as an example and not people, because when using people you would need to account for a "pshychological maturing" effect that does not take place on animals...

I am not arguing for or against it, just commenting.

Also, I have seen and heard from first time testosterone users how they would feel more aggressive during the cycle. This is coming for casual cocaine users who would never get aggressive while doing blow.For those of you who don't know cocaine is a
drug that causes a lot of aggressiveness.

Again, just commenting....


Posted by: Mudge

People have linked testosterone to aggressiveness for some time, I think it must be something else. I've been over a gram a week placing me around 10 times higher than normal, it doesn't cause any aggression in me.

Now tren on the other hand has some kind of effect, but still completely controllable. Tren really bothers some people though.

Cheque drops
Halotestin

Off the top of my head those are two which are said to increase aggression in almost everyone that uses them.


Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I think if you are an ass before roids you may just become more of an ass on them. Probably due to the muscle growth getting to your head making your ego even bigger. Thats my theory


Posted by: LAM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
People have linked testosterone to aggressiveness for some time, I think it must be something else. I've been over a gram a week placing me around 10 times higher than normal, it doesn't cause any aggression in me.

Now tren on the other hand has some kind of effect, but still completely controllable. Tren really bothers some people though.

Cheque drops
Halotestin

Off the top of my head those are two which are said to increase aggression in almost everyone that uses them.
Mudge...I believe DHT and it's deravatives cause more aggression than test...


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Hair loss won't rear it's ugly head until it is far too late from what I have read. I will be on Proscar permanently to prevent this.


Posted by: Just a guy

i vote estrogen cause the Aggression... Such a shift in emotions make you moody... therefor Angry.


Posted by: Mudge

Clomid didn't make me angry, it made me a woman with a friggin depression problem. All that estrogen from the test, didn't make me angry.


Posted by: Just a guy

i guess its different for everyone... becuz i feel frickin wonderful since i started that nolva.

Mudge your just too nice to get angry bud....


Posted by: Mudge

I liked what the tren did for me honestly, other than sleep issues @ 100mg ED. Maybe I could have found a way around it, dunno.


Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
I liked what the tren did for me honestly, other than sleep issues @ 100mg ED. Maybe I could have found a way around it, dunno.
Maybe a smaller dose of like 75mg ED would help with sides? I am not sure if that is a big enough difference in dose to make the gains much different or not.


Posted by: Mudge

I did fine @ 75mg ED. My first time using it I ran 50mg ED because I wasn't sure how I would react to it.

I will probably run 75-100mg EOD next time.


Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I would think that if you ran 100 mg ED last time 100mg EOD is probably gonna cut done a lot on sides. I don't know how long its active in your body but I am thinking levels would probably stay fairly level doing it EOD.


Posted by: Mudge

EOD shots I dont mind its ED that gets to me. Its a shorter ester than prop but its good enough for EOD.


Posted by: RCfootball87

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
Cheque drops
Halotestin

Off the top of my head those are two which are said to increase aggression in almost everyone that uses them.
Yeah but those are both pretty hard to get aren't they? I think I asked about this once when I was looking for something for more aggresion in football.


Posted by: Mudge

Halo is not that hard to get, cheque drops are barely in existence, there is one UG lab that was starting up some about 6 weeks ago or so.


Posted by: Evil ANT

Aggression is probably genetic, too. Some people are naturally aggressive while other people are naturally passive.


Posted by: ST240

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
Clomid didn't make me angry, it made me a woman with a friggin depression problem. All that estrogen from the test, didn't make me angry.
ugh im not looking forward to my clomid-only PCT in a few weeks


Posted by: Mudge

Some people do ok on it, for me 100mg for long periods is a problem, 50mg is fine.


Posted by: Dale Mabry

<-----------------------------Glad he got Nolvadex.


Posted by: ST240

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudge
Some people do ok on it, for me 100mg for long periods is a problem, 50mg is fine.
does a week count as a long period?


Posted by: Mudge

A week is about all I can handle before it starts affecting me, if I "front load" with higher doses then I'll feel it by day 4 or 5. Not everyone has these issues.


Posted by: ST240

some guy told me he felt like crying in the morning for no reason at all when doing the 300(1 day)->100(1 week)->50(several weeks) thing.

haha. Ill be more of a woman than my GF :o


Posted by: Mudge

Some people are fine with it, for me it was horrible. I dont remember crying at all but I was a wreck.


Posted by: JerseyDevil

I'm glad I stick with Nolvadex....


Posted by: JerseyDevil

I'm be sticking with Nolvadex....


Posted by: TrojanMan60563

After reading these posts on Clomid I seriously doubt I will mess with Clomid. Nolva sounds like the ticket


Posted by: ST240

clomid does things during PCT that nolva won't tho


Posted by: Mudge

Yeah, like wreck my skin and screw with my emotions. They both stimulate LH and FSH.


Posted by: ST240

hahahah mudge i love your responses. they always make me laugh (no sarcasm in there)


Posted by: Mudge

Like I said, some people have problems some dont, I was unlucky with it. I burned off my last supply @ 50mg ED with nolva.


Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I have not heard of anyone having problems with nolva, but it seems like many have problems with clomid. I am going to just stick with the less likely to cause problems


Posted by: ST240

ill let you guys know how it goes

edit: mudge what did it do to your skin??


Posted by: Randy

Mudge's skin after using clomid




Posted by: Mudge

ST I've said it before, acne.


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