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Posted by: Spitfire

OK Ive never once done any cardio, though Ive never cut. You? If then when and why?

Posted by: PreMier

I have before, but havent in years.

Sports n things.

Posted by: Spitfire

You just warm up with light w8, right?

Posted by: PreMier

Yea, on flat bench maybe a set or 2 of 135, then a set at 225, then onto whatever I am benching

I dont stretch either.

Posted by: DeadBolt

Cardio is used to burn calories to keep you in a deficet(sp?) so you stay under you caloric intake to lose weight. Good for shedding pounds. When to do it, people say early in the morning or rite after a workout, big debate here though.

I do cardio now 3 days a week on my cut, its my last resort b/c nothing else is helping me lose the last bit of fat I have. 2 days I do 15mins of HIIT and the other day is what ever I can manage, usually 10 mins of HIIT because thats the day after legs so my quads and hams are shot. I don't mind cardio much really, but Im a weird one lol.

Posted by: Spitfire

NO stretch?
I couldnt imagine not stretching

Posted by: PreMier

Stretching lowers your strength.

Posted by: Xantix

As an athelete, I end up doing extensive Cardio-work 3-4 times a week. Right now soccer is in season for my school so I'm doing that for my school.

I actually quit rowing because I wanted to weight lift and body build, they made you do 2-3 hours of Cardio every-day on the erg or just running, or when you got into the water rowing itself.

It's really tough on you, I think I would've found it near impossible to bulk while doing that much cardio.

And they wonder why all of our school rowers are lean toothpicks

Posted by: Sandra

My trainer has me doing cardio as a warm up but I've got a fair amount of body fat i need to drop so I want to try to do that everytime i work out. Mentally it makes me feel good too.....ITS THE BURN BABY!!! MAKE IT HURT DRILL SARGENT!! MAKE IT HURT!!!

Posted by: JLB001

Oh don't make me go off about cardio. I hate it but have to do it when cutting, otherwise my rear does not see cardio. Right now....2 a days for 6 days. 40 in the am, 35 in the pm. Not including the occ. spin class I may take on Tues. if I do that no pm cardio on the stairhell. Also do sprints twice a week which would take the place of 2 of the pm cardio.

I know....lecture me that I am doing too much. It will fall upon death ears.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally posted by PreMier
Stretching lowers your strength.

Not necessarily...it depends on when you stretch, and how much you stretch. If you are not accustomed to stretching pre WO then yes, at first it can/could have an adverse effect on your poundage’s used on working sets.

Stretching post WO, however is nothing but beneficial...

Posted by: LAM

I train 2 on and 1 off. On my off days I either do HIIT, Max-OT cardio or 1 hour of low-intensity cardio...

Posted by: PreMier

Ahh, yes. I meant before. Obviously it wont lower your strength if you have finished working out

Posted by: CowPimp

I try to do cardio 2 days per week for about 30-35 minutes, even while I bulk. I do it for health reasons. I am aware it is not optimal for bulking, but I don't mind. Sometimes I slip to one day under special circumstances, but not usually.

I like stretching pre workout. I do a nice full body stretch for a good 15-20 minutes before lifting or carido. I also stretch out the specific muscles that I worked that day at the end of the workout.

Posted by: Spitfire

I warm up with one set of like 30-50% normal rep for that rep range, then stretch that muscle (group), then finish workout. And never cardio........ Yet.

Posted by: P-funk

I try and do cardio year round. cutting or bulking. obviusly when i am bulking i have good intentions but sometimes I miss. I really feel it if i don't do it though. i breathe much better.

Posted by: Spitfire

True, mabey I will do cardio next meek, like 10 min run before and 5 after I dont have time for much else

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally posted by Spitfire
True, mabey I will do cardio next meek, like 10 min run before and 5 after I dont have time for much else

10min before and 5min after what? your workout? why not workout and then do 15min of sprints if you are pressed for time?

Posted by: Laurie

Only recently have I included bicycle riding as cardio (hate stationary bikes....sooooo boring!) and occasionally at that.

For my purposes, lifting has accomplished what I am after (lose bodyfat and gain strength)

Posted by: aztecwolf

cardio for me all the time, lon runs, bike rides, sprints, stairs, plyos/jump roping exercises, sports, warmups/cool downs, i do it all and love it.

Posted by: greekblondechic

Cardio is like prozac

Posted by: calalily1972

I was reading Novo's journal on Avant the other day and I read how she took her pulse during her workout and it was high. I decided to try it myself and I took my pulse in between sets during my 1 hour leg workout the other day. My pulse was 178. My pulse was just as high as if I did HIIT.

Anyway the point of this is, for me, cardio isn't always necessary as long as I'm training hard enough. I will use cardio as a tweak but not as a necessity.

Posted by: nikegurl

Funny you should mention that Jodi. I took mine last back workout (during the deads) and it was 173. I wasn't sure if that was good or if it was an indication of being out of shape.

Posted by: ms21vegas

When I actually go to the gym a full week I do cardio 30-45 min after I to abs & strengtheing.

Posted by: Vieope

Quote:

Originally posted by greekblondechic
Cardio is like prozac

Yes

Posted by: Saturday Fever

I won't answer "no" but I will answer "hell no." Cardio is evil.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

GPP is the best cardio in town, folks. Sled dragging, sled dragging, sled dragging. It also helps speed recovery and helps increase your ability to lift.

Posted by: atherjen

^^I 2nd that SF!

myself, I Sprint, winters are a bit harder because I cant get outdoors but if I can get to a gymnasium or alike I will, otherwise Ill do HIIT to compensate.
I hate lengthy long cardio. period.
I do the above for conditioning and speed. Its addicting to say the least.
Just getting started at Sled Dragging as well

Posted by: chronic

i hate cardio!! i HATE cardio!!!!

the only cardio i like is hitting the punching bag once a week for 40mins

running and situps can kiss my ass, i like my gut too damm much to lose it! when i was 140 i was a skinny bastard! my friends said i was as skinny as snoop!!! now i'm 172 and i plan on hittin 200 then cuttin down to 180, cardio's the enemy

Posted by: Dipsh!t

havent done cardio for ages, i say it was 4 yrs ago.
only do that for warm up, but i found indoor rowing is better than cardio warm up,
set me in straight away.

Posted by: aztecwolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by chronic

i hate cardio!! i HATE cardio!!!!

the only cardio i like is hitting the punching bag once a week for 40mins

no way man snoop has gotta be like 120

Posted by: tyrone_40

I was wondering, if bulking, is 15 mins of cardio (threadmill) twice a week good for flattening that stomach??

Posted by: buff_tat2d_chick

I say cardio all the time only because that is what it takes to keep the fat off of me.

Posted by: Spitfire

Thanks everyone

Posted by: Jav

Hi guy's. As a relative newbie to the gym and all things BB, I have to say that I have always done cardio to keep myself in shape. Round is a shape, isn't it? Seriously, I have always done some type of cardio, cycling, running and the like. I currently do cardio twice a week and weights three times a week, for the last 8 weeks. Currently working out doing something physical from Mon-Fri. All I can say is I have never felt better. Yep Cardio sucks, but I know it's doin me good. For those that hate cardio, go and buy an MP3 player, fill it full of yer fave high tempo music and lose yourself in the rhythm. Works a treat and your heart will thank you eventually.

Just my 10c worth.

Jav

Posted by: P-funk

If I don't do some carido I really feel it. Even when bulking up I try and do 1hr of cardio per week.

Posted by: metomeya

funny its seems like alot of you are outta shape.

hearts wise that is. Just like all the other muscles you work out, the heart is also a muscle. And like your arms and leg can hit a catabolic state. And if your heart rate is around 170 (holy shit that is high) it probably is going to be in a catabolic state.

Its really important to strength the heart, and weight lifting doesn't do that (arnold had two heart surgeries you know). Best way to do this is on a treadmill, ellipical, or bike, where you can monitor your heartrate. You usually wanna shot a number between 130 to 145 and keep it at the rate for 10 to 25 minutes. Not too long or else you'll be at a catabolic rate again. The best measure is to listen to your body.

Do a test, and put a heartbeat monitor on while you workout. (the chest strap ones). About mid way threw take a reading. If the number is high (180s) and you hadn't done any squads or deadlifts, then you need to stop weightlifting and strengthen your heart. Done be too surprized many top olympic atheletes have heart problems, why cause they push their bodies and their heart can't keep up.

Best way to solve this is to take about 3 months and do cardio every week with a 1 to 2 day rest peroid. You can weight lift, only if its light weight, high reps, controlled movement, and never where you have to catch your breath at the end of the set.

After that go back to weight lifting and measure your heart again and make a call if you need to do more cardio or not.

Posted by: Spitfire

Wtf...

Posted by: Premo55

I'm doing two sessions a week now, clean cardio (do a search on Avant Labs, GREAT form of cardio, not boring at all and kicks your ass more than any cardio you've ever forced yourself to go through). I also like 400m sprints and sled-dragging...as you can see I'm not an advocate of long cardio at all, detest it.

Peace.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Quote:

Originally Posted by metomeya

funny its seems like alot of you are outta shape.

hearts wise that is. Just like all the other muscles you work out, the heart is also a muscle. And like your arms and leg can hit a catabolic state. And if your heart rate is around 170 (holy shit that is high) it probably is going to be in a catabolic state.

Its really important to strength the heart, and weight lifting doesn't do that (arnold had two heart surgeries you know). Best way to do this is on a treadmill, ellipical, or bike, where you can monitor your heartrate. You usually wanna shot a number between 130 to 145 and keep it at the rate for 10 to 25 minutes. Not too long or else you'll be at a catabolic rate again. The best measure is to listen to your body.

Do a test, and put a heartbeat monitor on while you workout. (the chest strap ones). About mid way threw take a reading. If the number is high (180s) and you hadn't done any squads or deadlifts, then you need to stop weightlifting and strengthen your heart. Done be too surprized many top olympic atheletes have heart problems, why cause they push their bodies and their heart can't keep up.

Best way to solve this is to take about 3 months and do cardio every week with a 1 to 2 day rest peroid. You can weight lift, only if its light weight, high reps, controlled movement, and never where you have to catch your breath at the end of the set.

After that go back to weight lifting and measure your heart again and make a call if you need to do more cardio or not.

Arnold was juiced to the brim for a LONG time. I'd attribute that to his first heart surgery. And I'd attribute his pig valves to his second surgery. But whatever. Likewise, the vast majority of Olympic athletes are on steroids as well, as revealed by the "THG scandal."

But to do GPP would accomplish the same thing, with the other added benefits that have been mentioned lately.

Posted by: Robert D.

Quote:

Originally Posted by metomeya

Its really important to strength the heart, and weight lifting doesn't do that (arnold had two heart surgeries you know).

sorry, but this is just not true.

Posted by: Premo55

I'd also like to know how weight training does not have cardiovascular benefits. Do you not feel your pulse pounding after a hard set of deads, cleans, snatches, presses or squats?

Peace.

Posted by: Robert D.

taken from the 8th edition ISSA text:

Aerobic fitness is achieved by raising your heart rate.

Not true. Aerobic fitness is attained when you elevate the metabolic rate and oxygen consumption of your muscles and you sustain the elevation sufficiently long enough to overload your aerobic enzyme systems. Heart rate is only an external indication of oxygen consumption. Sustained metabolism is the cause of aerobic fitness; heart rate is only a byproduct of the process.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

That's an awesome text. I also like the book the NCSA uses for their study guide.

Posted by: Robert D.

yes, gotta love Fred Hatfield, not only extremley smart, educated and experienced, but blunt and to the point, my kind of guy!

have you seen the ISSA video by Fred?

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Unfortunately, no. It'll be in my next big book and movie purchase, though.

Posted by: Robert D.

I have not "upgraded" to the 8th edition yet, I can only view the text online, but I want to spend the $150 and get the 8th edition and the new DVD.

I also went to the seminar with Tom Platz for my ISSA certification, he talks quite a bit about Fred, they trained together in the past...good stuff!

Posted by: Vieope

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

taken from the 8th edition ISSA text:

Aerobic fitness is achieved by raising your heart rate.

Not true. Aerobic fitness is attained when you elevate the metabolic rate and oxygen consumption of your muscles and you sustain the elevation sufficiently long enough to overload your aerobic enzyme systems. Heart rate is only an external indication of oxygen consumption. Sustained metabolism is the cause of aerobic fitness; heart rate is only a byproduct of the process.

That is why soccer players who train in high altitudes are better in aerobic exercises.

Posted by: metomeya

you must do cardio or you die.....peroid

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by metomeya

you must do cardio or you die.....peroid

LMAO....great post....hahahaha, that sounds so funny.

Posted by: austinite

I do cardio because I don't feel like I'm really in shape if I can't sprint well. In my opinion an athletic person should be strong AND fast. It is not an easy balance, but it can be done.

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