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Power/Rep Range/Shock: The Basics


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Posted by: gopro

http://ironmagazine.com/article65.html



Posted by: KillerAbz





Posted by: gopro





Posted by: expression_

Hi gopro, I was wondering how you split the different muscles and days? I've read not to train your chest with your triceps, your biceps with your shoulders, etc. I'm very interested in starting your P/RR/S program, and was wondering how you did it yourself. Thanks!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by expression_
Hi gopro, I was wondering how you split the different muscles and days? I've read not to train your chest with your triceps, your biceps with your shoulders, etc. I'm very interested in starting your P/RR/S program, and was wondering how you did it yourself. Thanks!
My training split is changed every 3 P/RR/S cycles, or every 9 weeks or so. My current, and favorite split is:

monday: chest/delts/abs
tuesday: quads/hams/calves
wednesday: off
thursday: lats/traps/low back/abs
friday: bis/tris/forearms/calves
saturday: 0ff
sunday: off



Posted by: topolo

calves twice a week.....I like that



Posted by: Randy

What do we have here...another P/RR/S thread.
Hmmm , looks like I better post my P/RR/S links here too



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
What do we have here...another P/RR/S thread.
Hmmm , looks like I better post my P/RR/S links here too
LINKMASTER



Posted by: Randy

Thank you Sir Gopro

And 3 bows to you my friend



Posted by: jaim91

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
My training split is changed every 3 P/RR/S cycles, or every 9 weeks or so. My current, and favorite split is:

monday: chest/delts/abs
tuesday: quads/hams/calves
wednesday: off
thursday: lats/traps/low back/abs
friday: bis/tris/forearms/calves
saturday: 0ff
sunday: off
So let's say you're in Power week...you do power for chest, delts and abs every Monday for 9 weeks??



Posted by: rock4832

No Jaim. Week 1 he does Power for Chest/Delts/and abs, Week 2 he does RR for Chest/Delts/ and abs, Week 3 he does SHOCK for Chest/Delts/and abs. That's a 3 week rotation. He does this 3 week rotation 3 times. So that equals 9 weeks in all.

So in 9 weeks you'll do 3 power weeks, 3 RR weeks, and 3 SHOCK weeks. Does that make sense? He doesn't do 9 consecutive weeks of POWER.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by rock4832
No Jaim. Week 1 he does Power for Chest/Delts/and abs, Week 2 he does RR for Chest/Delts/ and abs, Week 3 he does SHOCK for Chest/Delts/and abs. That's a 3 week rotation. He does this 3 week rotation 3 times. So that equals 9 weeks in all.

So in 9 weeks you'll do 3 power weeks, 3 RR weeks, and 3 SHOCK weeks. Does that make sense? He doesn't do 9 consecutive weeks of POWER.
thanks for answering this Rock!



Posted by: rock4832

No problem buddy! Gotta pull my weight.



Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaim91
So let's say you're in Power week...you do power for chest, delts and abs every Monday for 9 weeks??
Jaimie,

Read links for more info
It's all there.



Posted by: jaim91

Thanks guy...understood.



Posted by: Randy

Don't mention it What are linkmasters for



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Don't mention it What are linkmasters for
Awesome linkmaster!



Posted by: wazzup

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Don't mention it What are linkmasters for
hmm.. the first two links don't seem to work ( I get redirected to an endorsement for Tom Venuto's BFFM)

Week 1 power.doc
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...tachmentid=9615

Week 2 rep range.doc
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...tachmentid=9616

The third one does work though.

Week 3 shock.doc
but that one isn't
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/a...tachmentid=9617

but

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/at...achmentid=9617

(hoover over them with the mouse to see the difference)



Posted by: Randy

Wazzup,

Thanks for the heads up... It should be fixed now



Posted by: jaim91

that was a close one



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Wazzup,

Thanks for the heads up... It should be fixed now
LINKMASTER makes a quick response to all link related glitches...and this is why he is known as "master!"



Posted by: bludevil

quick question, is their a general rest period between sets. If so, is it different for the 3 different phases. Ex, for power rest for 2 minutes between sets and for RR rest for 1 minute between sets or should it be a constant 1 - 2 minutes for all 3 phases.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by bludevil
quick question, is their a general rest period between sets. If so, is it different for the 3 different phases. Ex, for power rest for 2 minutes between sets and for RR rest for 1 minute between sets or should it be a constant 1 - 2 minutes for all 3 phases.
POWER:
4-5 MINUTES
REP RANGE:
2-3MINUTES
SHOCK:
CARDIOVASCULAR RECOVERY



Posted by: bludevil

cool, thanx



Posted by: patbuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
My training split is changed every 3 P/RR/S cycles, or every 9 weeks or so. My current, and favorite split is:

monday: chest/delts/abs
tuesday: quads/hams/calves
wednesday: off
thursday: lats/traps/low back/abs
friday: bis/tris/forearms/calves
saturday: 0ff
sunday: off
Your saying you change your split every 9 weeks, do you also change exercise every 9 weeks?
What are your other split?
Are you always doing 2 on 1 off?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Your saying you change your split every 9 weeks, do you also change exercise every 9 weeks?
What are your other split?
Are you always doing 2 on 1 off?
Yes, thats what I'm saying! As far as exercises, that could change every workout! I never do the same routine twice in a row anymore...although less advanced trainees should stick to the same exercises for 3-9 week before switching.

Another split might be:

chest/bis/forearms/abs
quads/hams/calves
lats/lowback/abs
delts/traps/tris

I don't always do 2 on 1 off. My first weekly workout is always on Monday and my last workout will be Fri or Sat. However, I never train more than 2 days in a row. So it could be...

M, T, TH, F or M, W, TH, S or M, W, F, S etc.



Posted by: patbuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro

However, I never train more than 2 days in a row.
Is it better to train 4 days and train more muscle or 5 days and train only one body part?
I use to do 5 small days of one body part a day.
If I train 4 days I'll have to do more body part each day.

I guest the best will be 5 days and never more then 2 days in a row.

What if I do 2 days on , 1 day off, 3 day on 1 day off?
What's working best for you guys?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Is it better to train 4 days and train more muscle or 5 days and train only one body part?
I use to do 5 small days of one body part a day.
If I train 4 days I'll have to do more body part each day.

I guest the best will be 5 days and never more then 2 days in a row.

What if I do 2 days on , 1 day off, 3 day on 1 day off?
What's working best for you guys?
Well, in my experience, unless you have a very easy life, or remarkable recovery ability, if you are a non drug using bodybuilder you should train no more than 4 days per week. I have tried 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, but did not gain as well as I did with only 4 weekly workouts.

Try both for a period of time and carefully track how you look, feel, and where your strength is, and make your own determination of what is best.



Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
LINKMASTER makes a quick response to all link related glitches...and this is why he is known as "master!"
Hmmmmm seems the linkmaster overlooked your response ... Sorry Gopro...
I guess I was to busy fixing the links

But thanks for the compliment



Posted by: patbuck

Hi in the article mentioned in the first post, I'm not sure of some exercise. What are?

"Cheat" lateral?
WG upright row?
Severse pec deck <--- I guest it's Reverse pec deck which I know what it is.
toes pointed hyperextension?
CG seated row or WG something?
What can replace dead lift for back?
Ez bar curl/CG chin superset? <-- what's the chin thing?
Rack deadlift??



Posted by: patbuck

OK I figured the CG and WG.. close grip wide grip.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Hi in the article mentioned in the first post, I'm not sure of some exercise. What are?

"Cheat" lateral?
WG upright row?
Severse pec deck <--- I guest it's Reverse pec deck which I know what it is.
toes pointed hyperextension?
CG seated row or WG something?
What can replace dead lift for back?
Ez bar curl/CG chin superset? <-- what's the chin thing?
Rack deadlift??
-cheat lateral...standing side lateral with heavier than normal weights where you use a little bodily momentum to get the weight moving.
-hyperextensions done with toes pointed are for hamstrings...focus on flexing the hams to bring your torso up, rather than "pulling" with the low back.
-nothing can totally replace deadlifts.
-CG chin ups work the biceps very strongly especially if you do not go more than 3/4 of the way down and focus on pulling with the bis and not the lats.
-rack deadlifts are deadlifts done in a power rack with the pins set at about mid shin height.



Posted by: patbuck

I have a very bad back and I can't do squat, standing shoulder barbell press etc...
So I was just wondering what else I could use instead of deadlift in case my back is bad on that too.
Here is my back training:
Barbell Deadlift 3 sets 4-6 reps
Bent row 3 sets 4-6 reps
Weighted chin 2-3 sets 4-6 reps
CG seated row 2-3 sets 4-6 reps



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
I have a very bad back and I can't do squat, standing shoulder barbell press etc...
So I was just wondering what else I could use instead of deadlift in case my back is bad on that too.
Here is my back training:
Barbell Deadlift 3 sets 4-6 reps
Bent row 3 sets 4-6 reps
Weighted chin 2-3 sets 4-6 reps
CG seated row 2-3 sets 4-6 reps
Well, we are primarily using deadlifts for the lower back, although its just an overall amazing total back builder. However, if you cannot do full deads, try rack deads. If these hurt you may have to try good mornings and/or regular hyperextensions.

Really though, you should try to at least do some light deadlifting and this will really strengthen the lower back. Over time you may be able to work up to going heavy with them.



Posted by: patbuck

I guest it better to do it with the Barbell but will the smitt machine be fine?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
I guest it better to do it with the Barbell but will the smitt machine be fine?
For deadlifts? I don't love them on the smith b/c the movement is too restrictive, but if you can do them that way rather than not at all, then do them like that!



Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Well, we are primarily using deadlifts for the lower back, although its just an overall amazing total back builder. However, if you cannot do full deads, try rack deads. If these hurt you may have to try good mornings and/or regular hyperextensions.

Really though, you should try to at least do some light deadlifting and this will really strengthen the lower back. Over time you may be able to work up to going heavy with them.
Nice Advice Gopro....
I need to do this too.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Nice Advice Gopro....
I need to do this too.
Thanks my friend.



Posted by: dalila

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
POWER:
4-5 MINUTES
REP RANGE:
2-3MINUTES
SHOCK:
CARDIOVASCULAR RECOVERY
silly question, but still.. what's cardiovascular recovery gopro? You go running inbetween sets or sumthin?? ( hey I said I knew it was silly !)



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalila
silly question, but still.. what's cardiovascular recovery gopro? You go running inbetween sets or sumthin?? ( hey I said I knew it was silly !)
Start your next set as soon as you stopped puffin from your last one



Posted by: dalila

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Start your next set as soon as you stopped puffin from your last one
thats 10 min then! Kidding!! Get it now, thanks rissole!!



Posted by: patbuck

Thanks GoPro.
I did stiff leg dead lift yesterday, I loved it.
No back pain, I had to do it carefully though.
Looking forward to do rack deadlift on thursday.



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalila
thats 10 min then! Kidding!! Get it now, thanks rissole!!
No prob's Dalila (It is 10 mins for me though)



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Thanks GoPro.
I did stiff leg dead lift yesterday, I loved it.
No back pain, I had to do it carefully though.
Looking forward to do rack deadlift on thursday.
Excellent

Just be careful and you will be able to reap the rewards!



Posted by: patbuck

Hey GoPro, do you do any Cardio?
If yes when do you do it and how?
What is your suggestion for cardio when Leaning and when Bulking?

I guest this routine of P/RR/s is for Bulking not when Leaning?



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Hey GoPro, do you do any Cardio?
If yes when do you do it and how?
What is your suggestion for cardio when Leaning and when Bulking?

I guest this routine of P/RR/s is for Bulking not when Leaning?
I just used this routine on a intense cut just recently and it was awesome, i held almost the same w8 and stripped bf (lots of it)
I have now been bulking for 8 weeks and put almost 8lb of pretty LBM on, i will be cutting again in 1 1/2 weeks with no change in routine again



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Hey GoPro, do you do any Cardio?
If yes when do you do it and how?
What is your suggestion for cardio when Leaning and when Bulking?

I guest this routine of P/RR/s is for Bulking not when Leaning?
When not preparing for a contest or other event, I do 15 minutes of semi hard cardio after each workout. Usually treadmill on an incline or a cross trainer. When preparing for a show I will go to cardio first thing in the morning for 30-45 min daily (except leg day).

P/RR/S is just as awesome for cutting as it is for bulking. Its the diet and cardio that determines which way you will go with it.

Just ask Rissy!



Posted by: Tank316

QUOTE=gopro]When not preparing for a contest or other event, I do 15 minutes of semi hard cardio after each workout. Usually treadmill on an incline or a cross trainer. When preparing for a show I will go to cardio first thing in the morning for 30-45 min daily (except leg day).

P/RR/S is just as awesome for cutting as it is for bulking. Its the diet and cardio that determines which way you will go with it.

Just ask Rissy![/QUOTE
AND TANK
This is by far the best system to use for a show. when my shoulder heals i plan on going p/rr/sh/ 2 wks before the show, dropping power wk, cus i'm getting a little older



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
QUOTE=gopro]When not preparing for a contest or other event, I do 15 minutes of semi hard cardio after each workout. Usually treadmill on an incline or a cross trainer. When preparing for a show I will go to cardio first thing in the morning for 30-45 min daily (except leg day).

P/RR/S is just as awesome for cutting as it is for bulking. Its the diet and cardio that determines which way you will go with it.

Just ask Rissy![/QUOTE
AND TANK
This is by far the best system to use for a show. when my shoulder heals i plan on going p/rr/sh/ 2 wks before the show, dropping power wk, cus i'm getting a little older
Yes, also ask the BEAST himself...Tank, about P/RR/S for cutting!



Posted by: Phred

I am in week 9 (shock week) and was ready to take a week off. I am not bored with the program nor am I feeling any over-training symptoms. So it may be a short week off.

When I start up again, I would like to focus on gaining mass. I understand RR is better for building mass. Would it be better to go with P/RR/RR/S or RR/P/RR/S? Or am I not understanding the phylosophy?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phred
I am in week 9 (shock week) and was ready to take a week off. I am not bored with the program nor am I feeling any over-training symptoms. So it may be a short week off.

When I start up again, I would like to focus on gaining mass. I understand RR is better for building mass. Would it be better to go with P/RR/RR/S or RR/P/RR/S? Or am I not understanding the phylosophy?
You actually understand rather well. Go with RR/P/RR/S.



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Yes, also ask the BEAST himself...Tank, about P/RR/S for cutting!
i knew it would get it out of you some how!!!!!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
i knew it would get it out of you some how!!!!!




Posted by: patbuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
My training split is changed every 3 P/RR/S cycles, or every 9 weeks or so. My current, and favorite split is:

monday: chest/delts/abs
tuesday: quads/hams/calves
wednesday: off
thursday: lats/traps/low back/abs
friday: bis/tris/forearms/calves
saturday: 0ff
sunday: off
Hi, How long does it take you each day of training?
Because when I do 4 days a week I can't finish the P/RR/S trainning with an hour. It always takes me about 1 hour and 15 to 30minutes.

I read in a lot of article that we shouldn't train for more than a Hour because of overtraining??



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
Hi, How long does it take you each day of training?
Because when I do 4 days a week I can't finish the P/RR/S trainning with an hour. It always takes me about 1 hour and 15 to 30minutes.

I read in a lot of article that we shouldn't train for more than a Hour because of overtraining??
My workouts take me an hour and a half always. Just make sure to get in some creatine, glutamine, and some BCAAs right after training, and your post workout protein and carbs within 30 min after training, and you will be fine.



Posted by: patbuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
My workouts take me an hour and a half always. Just make sure to get in some creatine, glutamine, and some BCAAs right after training, and your post workout protein and carbs within 30 min after training, and you will be fine.
What's the BCAAs?

Should I take glutamine /creatine after WO and then Protein and carb within 30 minutes or is it ok to take all this together right after training?



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
What's the BCAAs?

Should I take glutamine /creatine after WO and then Protein and carb within 30 minutes or is it ok to take all this together right after training?

Branched-chain amino acids supplements, commonly referred to as BCAA's, are very popular with athletes these days, who are searching for ways to increase lean mass and performance. The branched chain amino acids are Valine, Leucine, and Iso-leucine. One popular idea is that BCAA's can move through the blood to the brain and decrease the production of serotonin in the brain's interior, thereby lowering mental fatigue by reducing the amount of serotonin, which can create a sense of tiredness. A fair amount of scientific research supports this hypothesis[3.].

When you are training to develop a stronger, more powerful body, it is essential to stimulate and fuel your muscles at the cellular level. Branch chain amino acids (BCAA's), valine, leucine, and isoleucine, make up approximately 1/3 of muscle protein.[4]. BCAA's reduce muscle fatigue, speed recovery, decrease the loss of other amino acids from muscle during exercise and help the body absorb protein[6.]. A deficiency in any one of these aminos will cause muscle loss. Unlike other amino acids, BCAA's are metabolized in the muscle and not the liver.

BCAA's are mutually antagonistic in their absorptive qualities, therefore, must be available at the same time to insure maximum absorption into the muscle system[2.]. BCAA's are also rapidly depleted from the muscle when training. Taking BCAA's before and/or during a work out will increase performance and delay fatigue. Taking BCAA's immediately after or with a post work out meal will lower cortisol (destroys muscle) levels and replace BCAA levels in the muscles faster[8.].



Posted by: Randy

Hmmmm Did I see P/RR/S t-shirts in Tanks sig?
Is gopro providing shirts to his faithful and dedicated support members?
Or did Tank coax the young lady at his local shirt store to kick in some free shirts for us?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
Branched-chain amino acids supplements, commonly referred to as BCAA's, are very popular with athletes these days, who are searching for ways to increase lean mass and performance. The branched chain amino acids are Valine, Leucine, and Iso-leucine. One popular idea is that BCAA's can move through the blood to the brain and decrease the production of serotonin in the brain's interior, thereby lowering mental fatigue by reducing the amount of serotonin, which can create a sense of tiredness. A fair amount of scientific research supports this hypothesis[3.].

When you are training to develop a stronger, more powerful body, it is essential to stimulate and fuel your muscles at the cellular level. Branch chain amino acids (BCAA's), valine, leucine, and isoleucine, make up approximately 1/3 of muscle protein.[4]. BCAA's reduce muscle fatigue, speed recovery, decrease the loss of other amino acids from muscle during exercise and help the body absorb protein[6.]. A deficiency in any one of these aminos will cause muscle loss. Unlike other amino acids, BCAA's are metabolized in the muscle and not the liver.

BCAA's are mutually antagonistic in their absorptive qualities, therefore, must be available at the same time to insure maximum absorption into the muscle system[2.]. BCAA's are also rapidly depleted from the muscle when training. Taking BCAA's before and/or during a work out will increase performance and delay fatigue. Taking BCAA's immediately after or with a post work out meal will lower cortisol (destroys muscle) levels and replace BCAA levels in the muscles faster[8.].
And would you believe that Tank...a Harvard PhD in nutritional biochemistry...wrote this all by himself in just seconds flat!! Brains and brawn...what a combo!!

Seriously buddy...thanks for the great info my friend!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Hmmmm Did I see P/RR/S t-shirts in Tanks sig?
Is gopro providing shirts to his faithful and dedicated support members?
Or did Tank coax the young lady at his local shirt store to kick in some free shirts for us?

Hehehehehehehehehe...yeah...I quite highly doubt they are free...but worth it at any price!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
What's the BCAAs?

Should I take glutamine /creatine after WO and then Protein and carb within 30 minutes or is it ok to take all this together right after training?
Well, you got your answer about what are BCAAs...as far as taking it, you should take the glutamine and BCAAs as soon as possible after training, then wait 20-30 minutes before your post workout shake.



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Well, you got your answer about what are BCAAs...as far as taking it, you should take the glutamine and BCAAs as soon as possible after training, then wait 20-30 minutes before your post workout shake.
i would of posted my intake, but people would think i'm going crazy!!!!!
BTW, i have more info on bcaa's!!!



Posted by: fantasma62

Wow Gopro, this is indeed an amazing tool for any newbie or even someone like me who's been out for a long, looooong time....
They are going to kill me here at work, I have printed all the information provided by the "Linkmaster"....



Posted by: Randy

Did someone mention my name



Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Did someone mention my name
LOL...You barely gave me enough time to mention it....

Great links by the way...Now I must go finish reading them.....



Posted by: Randy

Thanks fantasma. I'm glad you like them.



Signed....

The LinkMaster



Posted by: fantasma62

Gopro, I have read your routine and it looks like it's dynamite. I was apprehensive at first since I was returning to weight lifting after 10+ years that it was going to be very tough to start with this. Many of your "P/RR/S disciples" have been saying the positive experience that this brings. I am geared up and ready to start. I do however have a question for you. How do you mix in Cardio and more importantly for a fat guy like me, abs? I know, a good nutrition is very important, I have been reading for a couple of days and it is definitely one area of importance, but I want to know whether I can implement cardio and ab work in my off days, or after a workout, or before...Sorry if this is a dumb question, but a lot of this is new to me. I used to work out every other day and work on abs daily. I worked on my cardio by only playing basketball or soccer almost every day...
Well, thanks in advanced....

T.



Posted by: Sapphire

GoPro is NOT like that, no such thing as a stupid question!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Gopro, I have read your routine and it looks like it's dynamite. I was apprehensive at first since I was returning to weight lifting after 10+ years that it was going to be very tough to start with this. Many of your "P/RR/S disciples" have been saying the positive experience that this brings. I am geared up and ready to start. I do however have a question for you. How do you mix in Cardio and more importantly for a fat guy like me, abs? I know, a good nutrition is very important, I have been reading for a couple of days and it is definitely one area of importance, but I want to know whether I can implement cardio and ab work in my off days, or after a workout, or before...Sorry if this is a dumb question, but a lot of this is new to me. I used to work out every other day and work on abs daily. I worked on my cardio by only playing basketball or soccer almost every day...
Well, thanks in advanced....

T.
You're a South Floridian too huh? Whereabouts?

Anyway, the beautiful Sapphire is right...there are no dumb questions. As far as implementing cardio, this is something that is up to you really. You can do cardio on your off days (first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is perferable) and can throw in a short session after your workouts as well. It depends on how much bodyfat you are trying to drop. The better you are with your diet, the less cardio is necessary.

As for abs, I think that 2-3 times per week is more than enough. I train my abs on days 1 and 3 of my routine at the end of my workout. I only do a few sets b/c good abdominals are more a function of bodyfat levels than of training.



Posted by: fantasma62

Thanks for your response. I am from a place that everybody wants to come to but nobody that lives here wants to admit they do , Sunny Miami....

My question about abs stems from my belly. It's large and I wasn't sure if working it out more would help or hurt. I'll take that info. and run...

Thanks again....



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Thanks for your response. I am from a place that everybody wants to come to but nobody that lives here wants to admit they do , Sunny Miami....

My question about abs stems from my belly. It's large and I wasn't sure if working it out more would help or hurt. I'll take that info. and run...

Thanks again....
Well, guess we're neighbors! I'm here in Hollywood but will probably be soon heading down to Aventura!



Posted by: gwcaton

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
POWER:
4-5 MINUTES
REP RANGE:
2-3MINUTES
SHOCK:
CARDIOVASCULAR RECOVERY
So how long would you estimate a power wo to take ? RR wo ? Shock wo?
Looks like an hour of resting between sets on power week on chest ! I'd have to get up another hour early at least to get done with my wo before I went to work and i already get up at 5:30 am. Could that wo be split in half , am & pm ?



Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Well, guess we're neighbors! I'm here in Hollywood but will probably be soon heading down to Aventura!
You'll probably be closer to my parents, they live in North Miami Beach (Collins and 64th)... I actually live down south (West Kendall)



Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
GoPro is NOT like that, no such thing as a stupid question!

Except from me



Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
You're a South Floridian too huh? Whereabouts?

Anyway, the beautiful Sapphire is right...there are no dumb questions. As far as implementing cardio, this is something that is up to you really. You can do cardio on your off days (first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is perferable) and can throw in a short session after your workouts as well. It depends on how much bodyfat you are trying to drop. The better you are with your diet, the less cardio is necessary.

As for abs, I think that 2-3 times per week is more than enough. I train my abs on days 1 and 3 of my routine at the end of my workout. I only do a few sets b/c good abdominals are more a function of bodyfat levels than of training.

Hey Boss.... This one should be added to the P/RR/S FAQ. Hey wait! we don't have one. Want to add one to the links? This way you don't have to cover the same questions reduntantly...

I wonder if this kind of work would constitute getting a free P/RR/S shirt?



Posted by: fantasma62

Hello Gopro, one question.

What exercise could I replace the seated cable rows with? I don't have access to anything that will allow me to do that particular exercise. Maybe I could replace it with the bent over row?
I am starting P/RR/S on monday and that's really the last question about it that I have.
Once again thank you for your help...



Posted by: fantasma62

Also, I was looking at your sticky where you give us the rest time between sets. You mention in Shock our rest period is cardiovascular recovery. Can you explain to me what that means? Sorry if you have repeated this before, but I didn't find this anywhere....

Thanks....



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Also, I was looking at your sticky where you give us the rest time between sets. You mention in Shock our rest period is cardiovascular recovery. Can you explain to me what that means? Sorry if you have repeated this before, but I didn't find this anywhere....

Thanks....
once you more or less catch your breath so to speak!!!
for me its 1 min, drink alittle bcaa's/lglute/creatine mix and hit the next set.




Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Hello Gopro, one question.

What exercise could I replace the seated cable rows with? I don't have access to anything that will allow me to do that particular exercise. Maybe I could replace it with the bent over row?
I am starting P/RR/S on monday and that's really the last question about it that I have.
Once again thank you for your help...
Bent rows are good, Single arm db rows, You can even use a lat pull down machine and lean right back so the cable is a right angles to your body.



Posted by: fantasma62

Thanks a bunch you guys....



Posted by: Alaric

Gopro, I just finished reading IM's recent article on losing fat and gaining muscle in 30 days: http://www.ironmagazine.com/article104.html

In case you haven't read it, basically it says that you cut for a week, then bulk for a another. Rotating between the 2 for a month. I was considering on trying this for a month, but wondered how this would fit into your routine. Should I cut during power, bulk during reprange, and cut during shock? Or should I switch it up, so that I bulk for 2 weeks (P/RR) and then cut for 1 (shock)?

Thanks in advance



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Gopro, I just finished reading IM's recent article on losing fat and gaining muscle in 30 days: http://www.ironmagazine.com/article104.html

In case you haven't read it, basically it says that you cut for a week, then bulk for a another. Rotating between the 2 for a month. I was considering on trying this for a month, but wondered how this would fit into your routine. Should I cut during power, bulk during reprange, and cut during shock? Or should I switch it up, so that I bulk for 2 weeks (P/RR) and then cut for 1 (shock)?

Thanks in advance
I like the idea of you bulking during the P/RR weeks and then cutting during shock. That should work in with the program nicely.



Posted by: Alaric

Thanks, I'll give it a shot and let you know how it goes.

By the way gopro, I found an older thread you started on the offseason diet, and have calculated that you use a P/C/F ratio of about 48/24/28 on weekdays, and 36/46/18 on weekends. I'm going to be using this along with wrapping the carbs around my workouts. I'll be using these ratios for both my bulk, and my cut (but with less cals), unless you recommend me using a different ratio for my "shock week cut"



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Thanks, I'll give it a shot and let you know how it goes.

By the way gopro, I found an older thread you started on the offseason diet, and have calculated that you use a P/C/F ratio of about 48/24/28 on weekdays, and 36/46/18 on weekends. I'm going to be using this along with wrapping the carbs around my workouts. I'll be using these ratios for both my bulk, and my cut (but with less cals), unless you recommend me using a different ratio for my "shock week cut"
Actually this should work well for you. Experiment with it for a cycle and see how it goes. You can always tweak it a bit if it doesn't do the job.



Posted by: Alaric

I definitley will be gopro, and I'll keep you up to date on how everything goes. As soon as incorporate my diet in with your P/RR/S I will start tracking results. I plan on starting this Monday.

2 more questions though, should I be going to failure on P, RR, and S week? Also, I'm an 18 year old with a super fast metabolism, would you recommend me following the general guidelines for a bulk (15-18 cals/lb), or should I up that since I'm a teen?

Thanks again, I'll be posting links to my journal entries once I start, and once I finish. Hopefully I'll be able to incoporate both my lifts and weight into the results.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
I definitley will be gopro, and I'll keep you up to date on how everything goes. As soon as incorporate my diet in with your P/RR/S I will start tracking results. I plan on starting this Monday.

2 more questions though, should I be going to failure on P, RR, and S week? Also, I'm an 18 year old with a super fast metabolism, would you recommend me following the general guidelines for a bulk (15-18 cals/lb), or should I up that since I'm a teen?

Thanks again, I'll be posting links to my journal entries once I start, and once I finish. Hopefully I'll be able to incoporate both my lifts and weight into the results.
At your age and training level you do not have to go to complete failure on every set. You can reserve total failure to maybe 1-2 sets per bodypart...however, this does not mean that you shouldn't be working hard on every set!

I think you should start with about 20 cals/lb for your bulk, track progress, and make adjustments from there.



Posted by: Alaric

Thanks gopro, will do!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Thanks gopro, will do!
My pleasure!



Posted by: fantasma62

Gopro, quick question...

Could I include as a workout for shoulders the "shrugs"?

I wanted to add an exercise for my traps, since my right is more developed than my left. Also, would it be better to do dumbbell shrugs or barbell shrugs?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Gopro, quick question...

Could I include as a workout for shoulders the "shrugs"?

I wanted to add an exercise for my traps, since my right is more developed than my left. Also, would it be better to do dumbbell shrugs or barbell shrugs?
Sure you can add shrugs! I do mine with my back workout, but you can do them with shoulders too. I switch week to week between barbell and dumbells.



Posted by: fantasma62

Thanks Gopro!!!

I actually do shoulders and back together....I hope I am doing things right...
The good news is that I haven't torn anything. The bad news is that I have to do this by myself. Nobody to work out with.
I bought a nice bench and a cage with spotters, so that has helped so far, but Bench press was insane.....



Posted by: fantasma62

Hey Gopro, I hope it ain't raining too much down in So.Fla.

I am in NYC, and it's a beautiful afternoon

Either way, I have a question (as if you didn't see this coming from me...)
Why is it that you recommend to do during rep range higher ranges (7-10, 11-15, 16-20), but I prited out from the sticky the Week II - Rep Range workout and very seldom do the reps go higher than 15 reps in some exercises?
If you check this: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/at...achmentid=9616

I am not sure how to ask this question, but do we not worry abou tthe ranges and just try to lift as many times as we can per exercise? I hope this question isn't confusing....
I am working on my RR workout so that tomorrow morning I can work on that...



Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Hey Gopro, I hope it ain't raining too much down in So.Fla.

I am in NYC, and it's a beautiful afternoon

Either way, I have a question (as if you didn't see this coming from me...)
Why is it that you recommend to do during rep range higher ranges (7-10, 11-15, 16-20), but I prited out from the sticky the Week II - Rep Range workout and very seldom do the reps go higher than 15 reps in some exercises?
If you check this: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/at...achmentid=9616

I am not sure how to ask this question, but do we not worry abou tthe ranges and just try to lift as many times as we can per exercise? I hope this question isn't confusing....
I am working on my RR workout so that tomorrow morning I can work on that...

It is nice here in NY isn't it? Very cool and dry for August.

Anyway... I know GP has me do 7-10, 11-15, 16-20 for rep range week. I would stick with that guideline. RR is hard, cause it takes a bit of time to find the right weights to be able to go to failure within the specifed range. Sometimes I dont get the weight right til the last set...

Did you take your wife to see a Broadway play?? Check out Mama Mia or Rent. I LOVED Rent, the music is awesome!! Go to Central park, it's gorgeous!!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
It is nice here in NY isn't it? Very cool and dry for August.

Anyway... I know GP has me do 7-10, 11-15, 16-20 for rep range week. I would stick with that guideline. RR is hard, cause it takes a bit of time to find the right weights to be able to go to failure within the specifed range. Sometimes I dont get the weight right til the last set...

Did you take your wife to see a Broadway play?? Check out Mama Mia or Rent. I LOVED Rent, the music is awesome!! Go to Central park, it's gorgeous!!
Actually rep range week consists of 7-9, 10-12, 13-15, 16-20, and each of these ranges has specific importance and should be followed to the best of your ability...picking weights that will have you reach failure within this range.



Posted by: Randy

Hey Cindi...

Here's another butt for your collection..






Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Actually rep range week consists of 7-9, 10-12, 13-15, 16-20, and each of these ranges has specific importance and should be followed to the best of your ability...picking weights that will have you reach failure within this range.
So, Gopro, I am then supposed to do 4 sets instead of three? Another thing, I am going to start my RR next week. I am in NY and I got sick to my stomach and very week. Do I go ahead and continue with RR or need to start over with Power?



Posted by: patbuck

HI,
Here is my power week leg training:
Squats one leg 3 sets 4-6 reps
Leg press 3 sets 4-6 reps
Single leg extension 2 sets 4-6 reps

Lying leg curl 3 sets 4-6 reps
Stiff leg deadlift BB 2-3 sets 4-6 reps

I have a problem with Single Leg Extension. When I do that exercise it hurt in my knee a lot. I would like to replace it.
What would you replace the leg extension with?
I will keep it only when I do Super Set because it doesn't hurt when I don't go heavy on it.



Posted by: gwcaton

Hey all you PRRS fans !

SHOCK: week 3
- Seated side lateral/hammer machine press superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Severse pec deck/WG upright row superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Cable front raise dropset...1 x 6-8, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional

What are some good subs for Hammer machine press ?
Same question in re: reverse pec deck ?

Thanks !
Gary



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by gwcaton
Hey all you PRRS fans !

SHOCK: week 3
- Seated side lateral/hammer machine press superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Severse pec deck/WG upright row superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Cable front raise dropset...1 x 6-8, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional

What are some good subs for Hammer machine press ?
Same question in re: reverse pec deck ?

Thanks !
Gary
Smith press vs hammer
rear laterals or face pulls[lean back on a pulldown machine, and pull to your face or chin vs reverse pec deck
hope that helps, btw Gary, looking impressive man!!!!!



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
HI,
Here is my power week leg training:
Squats one leg 3 sets 4-6 reps
Leg press 3 sets 4-6 reps
Single leg extension 2 sets 4-6 reps

Lying leg curl 3 sets 4-6 reps
Stiff leg deadlift BB 2-3 sets 4-6 reps

I have a problem with Single Leg Extension. When I do that exercise it hurt in my knee a lot. I would like to replace it.
What would you replace the leg extension with?
I will keep it only when I do Super Set because it doesn't hurt when I don't go heavy on it.
do walking lunges hurt?
or try single leg press



Posted by: gwcaton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
Smith press vs hammer
rear laterals or face pulls[lean back on a pulldown machine, and pull to your face or chin vs reverse pec deck
hope that helps, btw Gary, looking impressive man!!!!!
Tank thanks for the help !



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by gwcaton
Tank thanks for the help !
Tank, thanks for helping him out! You da man!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by patbuck
HI,
Here is my power week leg training:
Squats one leg 3 sets 4-6 reps
Leg press 3 sets 4-6 reps
Single leg extension 2 sets 4-6 reps

Lying leg curl 3 sets 4-6 reps
Stiff leg deadlift BB 2-3 sets 4-6 reps

I have a problem with Single Leg Extension. When I do that exercise it hurt in my knee a lot. I would like to replace it.
What would you replace the leg extension with?
I will keep it only when I do Super Set because it doesn't hurt when I don't go heavy on it.
Do 2 legged extensions hurt? If so, you could just do 2 exercises for power leg week for 4 sets each. Other suggestions would be single leg presses as Tankster said, or also hack squats.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
So, Gopro, I am then supposed to do 4 sets instead of three? Another thing, I am going to start my RR next week. I am in NY and I got sick to my stomach and very week. Do I go ahead and continue with RR or need to start over with Power?
Sorry, just saw this. Hope you are feeling better. For rep range week you perform 3-4 exercises per bodypart (usually 4 for larger groups and 3 for smaller ones), eacg complying with the specific rep range. Example:

bench press...3 x 7-9
incline press...3 x 10-12
flyes...2 x 13-15
pec deck...1-2 x 16-20



Posted by: pu239

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
For rep range week you perform 3-4 exercises per bodypart (usually 4 for larger groups and 3 for smaller ones), eacg complying with the specific rep range.
Is that true only for rep range week? In the article I think it only has three exercises per body part regardless of what bodypart it is. I just started P/RR/S this week. I actually started with RR and was thinking of doing RR/P/RR/S. Is that okay? I'm trying to bulk up and I think I remember reading in this thread that RR is good for bulking. I'll reread the thread and see if I can find it.



Posted by: Sapphire

I believe that power week, heavy weight low reps is the best for bulking up. BUT I could be wrong....



Posted by: pu239

Sapphire, take a look at post 51 in this thread. That's where I read it (took me a few minutes to find it again). Phred posted a question and gopro said it doing RR/P/RR/S would be good for gaining mass. I don't know. I'm a newbie to this routine. Thanks for your help!



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
Sapphire, take a look at post 51 in this thread. That's where I read it (took me a few minutes to find it again). Phred posted a question and gopro said it doing RR/P/RR/S would be good for gaining mass. I don't know. I'm a newbie to this routine. Thanks for your help!
you both are right!!!
the whole system is great for bulking and cutting.
it has alot to do with what you're eating and how much cardio you're doing while using the system.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
Is that true only for rep range week? In the article I think it only has three exercises per body part regardless of what bodypart it is. I just started P/RR/S this week. I actually started with RR and was thinking of doing RR/P/RR/S. Is that okay? I'm trying to bulk up and I think I remember reading in this thread that RR is good for bulking. I'll reread the thread and see if I can find it.
If you are trying to bulk up I would do P/RR/P/RR, and leave out shock for a bit. Plus I would only use 3 exercises per bodypart on RR week and do one for 7-9, one for 10-12, and one for 13-15...leave out the 16-20 for now. On power week use 3 exercises per bodypart, all for 4-6 reps and use mostly heavy free weight, compound lifts during this week.



Posted by: Tank316

or what he said!!!!!!!!!



Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
or what he said!!!!!!!!!

Yup we gotta listen to the master!!!



Posted by: pu239

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
If you are trying to bulk up I would do P/RR/P/RR, and leave out shock for a bit. Plus I would only use 3 exercises per bodypart on RR week and do one for 7-9, one for 10-12, and one for 13-15...leave out the 16-20 for now. On power week use 3 exercises per bodypart, all for 4-6 reps and use mostly heavy free weight, compound lifts during this week.
Thanks for the help gopro. Can I ask what the difference is between Phred and I? I'm just trying to understand the system. Thanks.



Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Hey Cindi...

Here's another butt for your collection..


I just saw this!!! You are silly Randy!!



Posted by: Randy

Yeah I know Cyndi....I am
Must be the weather... or that nice butt of yours

But you need to take that one to the right out... That spoils the whole image
.

Sorry Gopro...didn't mean steer your thread off subject...



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
Thanks for the help gopro. Can I ask what the difference is between Phred and I? I'm just trying to understand the system. Thanks.
What does Phred do...remind me.



Posted by: pu239

On post 51 you recommended he do RR/P/RR/S. I thought his goal was to gain mass also, but I may have missed something. Thanks.



Posted by: Phred

Uhhhh I am Phred. I am a program analyst. I do lift weights thou.



Posted by: Phred

Maybe I misunderstood the question by Gopro. I am doing RR/P/RR/S as I am going for more mass at this time.



Posted by: pu239

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phred
Maybe I misunderstood the question by Gopro. I am doing RR/P/RR/S as I am going for more mass at this time.
It sounds like we both want to gain mass so I asked if RR/P/RR/S would be right for that as I thought I had read it on this thread somewhere. I couldn't find it quickly so I asked the question. gopro recommended P/RR/P/RR for mass and I was wondering what the difference was between you and me. That's why he asked what you did. I have to admit, I did get a good laugh out of you telling us that you are a program analyst. Sounds like something I would say.



Posted by: Phred

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
It sounds like we both want to gain mass so I asked if RR/P/RR/S would be right for that as I thought I had read it on this thread somewhere. I couldn't find it quickly so I asked the question. gopro recommended P/RR/P/RR for mass and I was wondering what the difference was between you and me. That's why he asked what you did. I have to admit, I did get a good laugh out of you telling us that you are a program analyst. Sounds like something I would say.
I am more interested in building mass, however, I also like the shock which will keep the body adapting. I am a believer in shocking the muscles once in a while and every 4th week seems like a good fit for me. I like the varied weeks not only for the "keep the body adapting" effect, but also because I do not get bored with the routine. I have completed one 9 week cycle of P/RR/S and was pleased. I was also on a 1T/4AD cycle for 5 weeks during the same time. So, this time I am trying w/o PHs and adding a 4th week to see how it goes. I expect I will gain mass and some strength as well. Which is just fine with me. I still need to get my body fat down some. I am hovering around 20%. I have not been doing any cardio for the last 2 months. I will start cardio 2-3 times a week and see how it effects my BF%.



Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Sorry, just saw this. Hope you are feeling better. For rep range week you perform 3-4 exercises per bodypart (usually 4 for larger groups and 3 for smaller ones), eacg complying with the specific rep range. Example:

bench press...3 x 7-9
incline press...3 x 10-12
flyes...2 x 13-15
pec deck...1-2 x 16-20
Hi Gopro. I am now more worried about the other part of my question. I spent most of the week out of State (NYC) and was not able to do my RR routine while there. Do I have to start over again with Power?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
On post 51 you recommended he do RR/P/RR/S. I thought his goal was to gain mass also, but I may have missed something. Thanks.
I normally omit the shock week for less advanced trainees and might have assumed you were less advanced than Phred for some reason. So lets make this simple. For gaining mass...

-less than 1 year training use P/RR/P/RR
-more than 1 year training use P/RR/P/S or RR/P/RR/S
-more than 2 years training P/RR/S



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Hi Gopro. I am now more worried about the other part of my question. I spent most of the week out of State (NYC) and was not able to do my RR routine while there. Do I have to start over again with Power?
Just pick up where you left off.



Posted by: pu239

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
I normally omit the shock week for less advanced trainees and might have assumed you were less advanced than Phred for some reason. So lets make this simple. For gaining mass...

-less than 1 year training use P/RR/P/RR
-more than 1 year training use P/RR/P/S or RR/P/RR/S
-more than 2 years training P/RR/S
Thanks gopro. I've been training off and on for the past 10 years or so (not that you can tell). I've had long stretches of working out and also some long stretches of not working out. Right now I've been back at it pretty solidly for around a 7-8 months. Before that I probably missed several months. I think I'll throw in a shock week every other cycle or so for now.



Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Just pick up where you left off.
Thanks Gopro, I'll continue with RR



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by pu239
Thanks gopro. I've been training off and on for the past 10 years or so (not that you can tell). I've had long stretches of working out and also some long stretches of not working out. Right now I've been back at it pretty solidly for around a 7-8 months. Before that I probably missed several months. I think I'll throw in a shock week every other cycle or so for now.




Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasma62
Thanks Gopro, I'll continue with RR




Posted by: Dabender

I have a question for you guys, great board and great info, im going to start using p/rr/s. My question stems around my size, im currenlty 339 and not a whole lot of muslce. With the ability to gain weight does that help my ability to grow muscle. I have dabled several times with weightlifting but i want to take my efforts to the next level. With my size what type of nutrition should i employ in order to gain mass and loose girth. certian movements I cannnot do like weighted dips or chin ups, what are good replacement for them until i can do those movments. Lastly what is a superset.

I love working out there is nothing like it but i want to do it right. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.

one more question does my size give me a better ability to gain muslce mass?

Thanks again for any and all help



Posted by: Randy

Gopro can answer anything that I left out...but I answered a few of your questions for ya.

Also note that as per Gopro...P/RR/S is intended for advanced body builders.... Well at least intermediate. If you've just dabbled with body building you may want to wait a while till you get a bit seasoned. But you can be the judge of that... Just that power and shock can be somewhat intense for a beginner, unless your muscles are conditioned to handle it ... If not you won't be able to move

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabender
I have a question for you guys, great board and great info, im going to start using p/rr/s. My question stems around my size, im currenlty 339 and not a whole lot of muslce. With the ability to gain weight does that help my ability to grow muscle. I have dabled several times with weightlifting but i want to take my efforts to the next level. With my size what type of nutrition should i employ in order to gain mass and loose girth. certian movements I cannnot do like weighted dips or chin ups, what are good replacement for them until i can do those movments. Lastly what is a superset.

What is a superset?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/andy2.htm

I love working out there is nothing like it but i want to do it right. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.

Check out my links.. I'm sure they will help shed more light on how the P/RR/S program works.

one more question does my size give me a better ability to gain muslce mass?

That depends on whether your size is composed of muscle or fat. You have to burn off the fat, before you can build and expose muscle mass.

Thanks again for any and all help




Posted by: Sapphire

You are gonna need cardio to lose fat.... and clean up your diet!!!

I agree with Randy. P/RR/S is sorta advanced, you may want to start a bit more conservatively.



Posted by: Randy

And I agree with Sapphire...She's the cardio queen.
Look at that fantastic body of hers.

Cardio and diet is the hardest part...Once you make that a part of your life...the bodybuilding is a breeze. (Well unless you're Rissole that is)



Posted by: Dabender

I did read that the P/RR/S were for advanced, but I felt i need to do something different, this is my second day in P and wow what a difference. I know Cardio is a big part of my workout. I do 10 minutes on the life cycle before I start to work out, After working out I then do 1 hour on the tread mill walking, I tried running but i kept getting shin splints, and dam those things hurt. So I walk with a slight incline. On an average I spend about 2 1/2 hours in the Gym and that is not resting. I mean i can't stand my girth but being 36-(will be 37 tommarow) it seems my body has kinda slowed down. Thats was one of the reasons I was asking for diet and hopefully get some advice from the masters.

I must admit the cardio queen has some very nice gloots lol. How many times a day do you guys work out. I saw gopro works out only an 1 1/2 am I working out to long?

I have noticed that my max's are much closer than I thought they would be with regard to maximums, luckly D.O.M.S. hasn't set in yet so we will see.

Thanks so much for your time and help, I will keep you posted and let you know how the workout is going, who knows maybe with your assitance I could be in a comercial promoting the workout lol. Thanks again friends talk with you soon

DABENDER "Never let a set back make you sit back, but always make a come back"



Posted by: Randy

Dabender,



It sounds like you are doing a fine job in the cardio department. All you need to do now is get educated in the nutrition area. That is my weakness myself, so I can only provide you with the basics. If you have fat to burn then you want to try to cut your carb intake (but of course you do need some carbs for energy to workout.) To maintain your potential in building muscle you also need the appropriate amount of protein. Most say 1 - 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight is recommended. But since your body can only absorb so much protein at a time, do not exceed 50 grams of protein in a 2-hour period. To much protein can be worse for your body then not enough. Excess protein can lead to osteoporosis and excess calcium buildup...(or something like that ) Anyway it’s not good! Try to eat 5-6 small nutritious meals a day. The worst thing is to do is eat huge meals in one sitting. Checkout the nutrition section, you can pickup some good info there. Jodi is the nutrition expert there.



As for workout duration...they say that working more than 2 to 2.5 hours is to long and can actually be counter productive... I used to be one of those 2 - 2.5 hour people, but after I found that most said I was over working, I cut it down to 1.5 hours. I find it difficult to get a good workout in less than 1.5 hours. But all I can suggest is to study all the different techniques. What is right for some, may not work for you. What works for you, may not work for others. Keep trying new things, till you find your niche.

Stick with this forum, and you will learn a lot. There are many knowledgeable people here Dabender.

Good luck with your goals.



Posted by: 5'9'

Quick quesion GOpro, im currently doing 3 full body workouts a week, i spend between 1-1.5 hrs in the gym twice a week (the 3rd day of the split is at home using free weights) ..im looking for a new routine and am interested in the P/RR/S routine tht has recieved so much priase...can i incorporate it into my current 3 day full body routine doing all the back exercises for example in one, then the arms, legs etc...meaning i do this twice a week for the duration of the 3 week cycle OR is this too intese? Thanks for your help



Posted by: Sapphire

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Originally Posted by Dabender
I did read that the P/RR/S were for advanced, but I felt i need to do something different, this is my second day in P and wow what a difference. I know Cardio is a big part of my workout. I do 10 minutes on the life cycle before I start to work out, After working out I then do 1 hour on the tread mill walking, I tried running but i kept getting shin splints, and dam those things hurt. So I walk with a slight incline. On an average I spend about 2 1/2 hours in the Gym and that is not resting. I mean i can't stand my girth but being 36-(will be 37 tommarow) it seems my body has kinda slowed down. Thats was one of the reasons I was asking for diet and hopefully get some advice from the masters.

I must admit the cardio queen has some very nice gloots lol. How many times a day do you guys work out. I saw gopro works out only an 1 1/2 am I working out to long?

I have noticed that my max's are much closer than I thought they would be with regard to maximums, luckly D.O.M.S. hasn't set in yet so we will see.

Thanks so much for your time and help, I will keep you posted and let you know how the workout is going, who knows maybe with your assitance I could be in a comercial promoting the workout lol. Thanks again friends talk with you soon

DABENDER "Never let a set back make you sit back, but always make a come back"

WOW!! That's alot of cardio!! Walking on treadmill is , no need to run. Cardio department is taken care of.... I have a feeling it's your diet that needs tweaking.

AND Guess what?! I do ZERO cardio! I haven't done cardio in over 6 months. BUT I am trying to gain muscle right now and I am naturally small boned and skinny DO NOT SKIP CARDIO!!!
I am planning on incorporating cardio again soon.. 3xweek 30 minutes walking on treadmill. My gluts are from lifting not cardio!! and they need lots of work still!!!!



Posted by: gopro

Dabender...how tall are you?



Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by 5'9'
Quick quesion GOpro, im currently doing 3 full body workouts a week, i spend between 1-1.5 hrs in the gym twice a week (the 3rd day of the split is at home using free weights) ..im looking for a new routine and am interested in the P/RR/S routine tht has recieved so much priase...can i incorporate it into my current 3 day full body routine doing all the back exercises for example in one, then the arms, legs etc...meaning i do this twice a week for the duration of the 3 week cycle OR is this too intese? Thanks for your help
You can use P/RR/S even with full body workouts, but the sets per bodypart need to be cut back considerably. The principals of the routine can remain, however.



Posted by: Dabender

I am 5' 10" , day 2 on P went well, chest feels good and sore, and back is starting to feel the effect of DOMS which is good. Today is my day off, and then I will cycle the Legs and Arms. just starting I can feel the difference especially in the back. Thanks again for the help, What do you guys think of the atkins diet, is it possible to incorporate that kind of diet into body building? Dabender



Posted by: Sapphire

you are a bodybuilder not a dieter!



Posted by: Randy

Dabender,

For information on the Adkins Diet, scroll up to the top of this thread and click search.
Type in the key word "Adkins Diet" or "Adkins". You will find boatloads of threads pertaining to this topic. I would answer your question here, but I am not familiar with it either.


And Dammmmnnnnn Sapphire...."No Cardio!" Wow...
Keep up the good work. Wish I could look lean like you with no cardio .



Posted by: bambam613

hey gopro, long time no talk.........guess who, big man?



Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Dabender
I am 5' 10" , day 2 on P went well, chest feels good and sore, and back is starting to feel the effect of DOMS which is good. Today is my day off, and then I will cycle the Legs and Arms. just starting I can feel the difference especially in the back. Thanks again for the help, What do you guys think of the atkins diet, is it possible to incorporate that kind of diet into body building? Dabender
Its obvious that you need to drop ALOT of fat weight...at 5'10" and well over 300 lbs you are not in a good place. Atkins can be a good place to start, but any sensible nutrition regimen would be helpful to you. P/RR/S is a fine program for you, but you MUST get a nutrition plan in order and stick to it!



Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by bambam613
hey gopro, long time no talk.........guess who, big man?
I know exactly who this is...a freak of nature I once knew back in the day...a guy that used to go at the weights with me in the gym like a madman! Whats up????????



Posted by: fantasma62

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Originally Posted by Dabender
I am 5' 10" , day 2 on P went well, chest feels good and sore, and back is starting to feel the effect of DOMS which is good. Today is my day off, and then I will cycle the Legs and Arms. just starting I can feel the difference especially in the back. Thanks again for the help, What do you guys think of the atkins diet, is it possible to incorporate that kind of diet into body building? Dabender
hey bud, look at the sticky by Jodi in the Diet and Nutrition board. It's called something like Guide to Cutting, Bulking and Maintenance right here:
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=21113

You need to educate yourself before you aim at Atkins. I did it. I lost a lot of weight, but I gained it back two fold. Read the sticky, learn how to eat and don't believe the Atkins diet. To work out with weights you need your carbs.
Read the sticky and you'll have a good idea of what to do.
Also read my post: Guide to Cutting, Bulking and Maintenance Questions located here:
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=34601
These are questions that i have been asking regarding Jodi's sticky...

Start a journal and post your success. It's a great start...Good luck



Posted by: Randy

Sapphire,


I just wanted you to know that I really enjoyed our dinner last night...
Although, that fish made me a little green





Posted by: 5'9'

You can use P/RR/S even with full body workouts, but the sets per bodypart need to be cut back considerably. The principals of the routine can remain, however.

cheers gopro!



Posted by: Tank316

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Originally Posted by gopro
Its obvious that you need to drop ALOT of fat weight...at 5'10" and well over 300 lbs you are not in a good place. Atkins can be a good place to start, but any sensible nutrition regimen would be helpful to you. P/RR/S is a fine program for you, but you MUST get a nutrition plan in order and stick to it!
ditto.
if you want, give us an idea on what you eat and the the times you eat it!!



Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Sapphire,


I just wanted you to know that I really enjoyed our dinner last night...
Although, that fish made me a little green


Why dont I remember this dinner?



Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
Sapphire,


I just wanted you to know that I really enjoyed our dinner last night...
Although, that fish made me a little green





Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire

Why dont I remember this dinner?
Just don't tell Diesel



Posted by: Alaric

hey gopro,

You know I've been a big fan of yours and P/RR/S for quite some time now. So I've got one final questoin before I think I'm setting to a complete bulk. I've followed your advice, just a quick recap:
- P/RR/S
- Reserve total failure to 1-2 sets per bodypart
- 18 years old (super fast metabolism)
- Gopro's offseason diet cycle
- 20 cals/lb for my bulk....gonna track progress for a week, and then do my adjustments

Regarding the 20 cals/lb...how much weight should I gain per week before deciding to cut/raise the cals. I've read posts where people suggest to gain only 1-2lbs/week. I'd just like to hear your opinion on this since I'm following your routine, offseason diet, and advice .

Thanks again gopro!



Posted by: gopro

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