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Power/Rep Range/Shock: The Basics

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Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
P/RR/S is the shitzer!!! I think it was designed especially for me
I think the same thing when I see picture of you...your just crazy pete!! LOL



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
eric, do you have the last article in pdf form that could be emailed, possibly?
I could simply copy n paste it into an email if you want to PM me your addy.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
I could simply copy n paste it into an email if you want to PM me your addy.
cool, check your PMs in a min.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Thanks DB and GP I'm feeling very chuffed right now
Hey GP did you see my latest pics in my gallery?? Comp w8 was 170.7lb and now i weigh 212.5lb not bad for how lean i still look
P/RR/S is the shitzer!!! I think it was designed especially for me
Nope, haven't seen the pics yet, but I will check em out in a minute. You weigh 212!! Are you planning on getting bigger than me? Well, I'm sure that will happen as you have finally figured out the secret!! P/RR/S WAS actually designed especially for you my friend! Consider yourself blessed!



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Gopro...in the link on page 1. it says the following for chest:
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SHOCK: week 3

- Superset...cable crossover/incline smith press...1-2 x 8-10 reps each
- Superset...incline flye/dips...1 x 8-10 reps each
- Dropset...machine bench press...1 x 8-10, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional
------------------------------------------------------------------

But in the article you sent me via email, it says:

Reps for isolation movements will be in the range of 8-10, and each rep will be performed slowly and with emphasis on the peak contraction. Reps for compound movements will be in the range of 4-6, with each rep performed similarly to those done during POWER week.

superset: Incline Flyes/Smith Machine Bench Press 1-2 x 8-10/4-6
superset: Incline Dumbell Press/Cable Crossover 1-2 x 4-6/8-10
dropset: Weighted Dips 1-2 x 4-6, drop 4-6, drop 4-6

Note specifically the different rep ranges.

Which is correct, or are both?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Gopro...in the link on page 1. it says the following for chest:
------------------------------------------------------------------
SHOCK: week 3

- Superset...cable crossover/incline smith press...1-2 x 8-10 reps each
- Superset...incline flye/dips...1 x 8-10 reps each
- Dropset...machine bench press...1 x 8-10, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional
------------------------------------------------------------------

But in the article you sent me via email, it says:

Reps for isolation movements will be in the range of 8-10, and each rep will be performed slowly and with emphasis on the peak contraction. Reps for compound movements will be in the range of 4-6, with each rep performed similarly to those done during POWER week.

superset: Incline Flyes/Smith Machine Bench Press 1-2 x 8-10/4-6
superset: Incline Dumbell Press/Cable Crossover 1-2 x 4-6/8-10
dropset: Weighted Dips 1-2 x 4-6, drop 4-6, drop 4-6

Note specifically the different rep ranges.

Which is correct, or are both?
Both are correct in a sense. The program has gone through several tweaks as time has gone by and as I have the time to experiment and test it on more and more people (and myself).

I consider the method used in the article I sent you to be more advanced, and it should be used by more experienced P/RR/S 'ers. The one from the link is more of a basic approach.

There are even more advanced methods being used by a few of my clients, and I will write about them soon for IRONMAN magazine.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Thanks man!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Thanks man!




Posted by: kurjak

Gopro, is your advanced program free?

If it is, can you please PM me it.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurjak
Gopro, is your advanced program free?

If it is, can you please PM me it.
There was some hints of it on here in a thread called P/RR/S A Taste of II. Do a search on it. Aside from that I will be writing an article about it for Ironman magazine soon, and then later will post some things about it.

Thanks for asking about it.



Posted by: cajunFit

Hey Gopro

I've always been interested in your P/RR/S, I've been training by myself and would love to understand your wo more thoroughly.

Hopefully we will be able to meet at the arnold.......ya know I need a personal trainer



Posted by: pumpthatiron

hey gopro, what if you can't do some of the exercises it says like im not strong enough to do weighted dips. How can i tweak the program?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunFit
Hey Gopro

I've always been interested in your P/RR/S, I've been training by myself and would love to understand your wo more thoroughly.

Hopefully we will be able to meet at the arnold.......ya know I need a personal trainer
It would be a pleasure to meet you, so please come see me at the VPX booth! As far as being your trainer, that would be a pleasure as well.



Posted by: cajunFit

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
It would be a pleasure to meet you, so please come see me at the VPX booth! As far as being your trainer, that would be a pleasure as well.
You bet Gopro!!!!! We will be there! If you have a chance to check out my gallery to see my progress pics, I would appreciate it. I try to incorporate some of your techniques, but of course its not mastered lol......its also hard when you dont have a wo partner to push you.

Hubby and I work together all day long so we dont work out together.

Hopefully we can touch base, and get more info from you!

Thanks again!!!!



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpthatiron
hey gopro, what if you can't do some of the exercises it says like im not strong enough to do weighted dips. How can i tweak the program?
If you can't do dips try them on an assisted machine or have someone spot you.

If you can't do certain lifts drop them and add in something else to replace it. Thats only if you don't have access to certain materials, if you have just never done the lift before I'd suggest you go through all the workout and do each lift you don't know for a few weeks then start the routine to ensure you have proper form and are comfortable. Now you will never master an exercise in only a week or so but if you start lighter and concentrate on your form from the get go then its easier in the long run.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunFit
You bet Gopro!!!!! We will be there! If you have a chance to check out my gallery to see my progress pics, I would appreciate it. I try to incorporate some of your techniques, but of course its not mastered lol......its also hard when you dont have a wo partner to push you.

Hubby and I work together all day long so we dont work out together.

Hopefully we can touch base, and get more info from you!

Thanks again!!!!
I will check out your pics as soon as I get the chance! Hopefully we can touch base at the Arnold!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadBolt
If you can't do dips try them on an assisted machine or have someone spot you.

If you can't do certain lifts drop them and add in something else to replace it. Thats only if you don't have access to certain materials, if you have just never done the lift before I'd suggest you go through all the workout and do each lift you don't know for a few weeks then start the routine to ensure you have proper form and are comfortable. Now you will never master an exercise in only a week or so but if you start lighter and concentrate on your form from the get go then its easier in the long run.
Good advice DB!! Thanks for helping pump out!



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Good advice DB!! Thanks for helping pump out!
Well hell I can't w/o so matters well help others LOL.

And ona side note I cant find that magazine for the life of me...no one sells it around here. I need to start exploring a little more.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadBolt
Well hell I can't w/o so matters well help others LOL.

And ona side note I cant find that magazine for the life of me...no one sells it around here. I need to start exploring a little more.
Which magazine?



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Which magazine?
Ironman...they don't sell it anywhere around my parts. Only thing I can find is muscle & fitness, mens health, and flex. Thats pretty much all they sell in the stores....anything else I need to subscribe.



Posted by: Rissole

Hey Eric, i just wanted to pop in and tell you that your advice on my bi's is working a treat. (do you remember) I have put near 3/4" on my bis in about 9 weeks.
I did apply what you said to tri's as well just not as intense
Thanks Big Buddy



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Hey Eric, i just wanted to pop in and tell you that your advice on my bi's is working a treat. (do you remember) I have put near 3/4" on my bis in about 9 weeks.
I did apply what you said to tri's as well just not as intense
Thanks Big Buddy
3/4" in 9 weeks.... Wanna share that advice from Eric?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Hey Eric, i just wanted to pop in and tell you that your advice on my bi's is working a treat. (do you remember) I have put near 3/4" on my bis in about 9 weeks.
I did apply what you said to tri's as well just not as intense
Thanks Big Buddy
You know I only give you my BEST secrets brother

Awesome buddy!!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
3/4" in 9 weeks.... Wanna share that advice from Eric?
Send the gal in your sig over to my place and I'll give ya all my secrets!!



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
3/4" in 9 weeks.... Wanna share that advice from Eric?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
You know I only give you my BEST secrets brother

Awesome buddy!!




Posted by: ChrisROCK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole

Cool man.....way to share some knowledge!

I'll ask Eric myself.....



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Cool man.....way to share some knowledge!

I'll ask Eric myself.....
Notice how Eric said secrets.... it could be the kind of info he would give from a personal training point of view which he would then be paid for. So thats not really the kind of info i would share unless he wants me to...
Sorry bud...



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Send the gal in your sig over to my place and I'll give ya all my secrets!!
Hadn't seen this comment... I'm afraid I can't arrange for that Eric... but I'd be extremely grateful for some Bicep "secrets"... Even though i've added a 1/2 inch on them the last 2 months, I've always felt that i tend to hit a plateau.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Hadn't seen this comment... I'm afraid I can't arrange for that Eric... but I'd be extremely grateful for some Bicep "secrets"... Even though i've added a 1/2 inch on them the last 2 months, I've always felt that i tend to hit a plateau.
Rissole is actually right in that I have to reserve many of my "secrets" to those that pay me to be a client. It wouldn't be fair any other way. I'm sure you can understand that.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

oh well.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
oh well.
That doesn't mean I won't help you at all!! I think you can see all the info I pass out here on the forum! You can also send me a PM any time if you have questions. I will tell you straight out if you are asking too much.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Thanks Eric!

With regard to P/RR/S...is there a particulary rule of thumb with regard to increasing poundage after each phase? Ie. I've been through a week of each, P...RR...and S. I'm now entering the second cyle of each. Should i look to increase weights by a certain amount on each lift?



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Thanks Eric!

With regard to P/RR/S...is there a particulary rule of thumb with regard to increasing poundage after each phase? Ie. I've been through a week of each, P...RR...and S. I'm now entering the second cyle of each. Should i look to increase weights by a certain amount on each lift?
You should always look to increase reps or weight....if your not increasing your not improving!! Thats why you should really write things down to track your progress.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

Thanks DB.... I figured as much, but i was more asking if there was a specific amount recommended for each phase...etc? I just started my 2nd Power week, and I made sure to increase poundage on most lifts.... I kept track of every workout.



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisROCK
Thanks DB.... I figured as much, but i was more asking if there was a specific amount recommended for each phase...etc? I just started my 2nd Power week, and I made sure to increase poundage on most lifts.... I kept track of every workout.
No because everyone is different there are no set rules for improvement. As long as you improve the routine is working for ya....just concentrate on form, intensity, consistancy, and you will improve!



Posted by: Alaric

Well gopro I've managed to hit my new years goal of 190 using P/RR/S. Since I don't plan on cutting just yet, I was wondering how effective P/RR/S would be while having strength as the primary goal. I plan on going back to P/RR/S once I start cutting (in about 6-8 weeks), but for the time being I'd like to focus in on strength.



Posted by: bambam613

hey alaric....... I'm a former partner of gopro.......program is great! As for building strength, it works great.......just incorporate some of the basic compound movements in the program........second have a goal at what you want to improve, is it all around strength, or bigger squat, bench, or deadlift and build your program around these ideas...
Peace......



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by bambam613
hey alaric....... I'm a former partner of gopro.......program is great! As for building strength, it works great.......just incorporate some of the basic compound movements in the program........second have a goal at what you want to improve, is it all around strength, or bigger squat, bench, or deadlift and build your program around these ideas...
Peace......
Good advise...it is not specifically geared towards strength but if you bulld your program around where you want to improve you will def get stronger. I added 50lbs to my bench, doubled my squats, and deads all using p/rr/s.



Posted by: Alaric

Hey thanks for the tip guys, you know what after much consideration. I'm going to be sticking to P/RR/S, why switch up while I'm making the best gains of my life....



Posted by: gopro

P/RR/S is very versatile and can be tweaked toward all areas of weight training, whether it be strength, mass, or cutting. I have been on P/RR/S in some form for over 5 years now, and use it in all training phases.



Posted by: chuckleso4

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
P/RR/S is very versatile and can be tweaked toward all areas of weight training, whether it be strength, mass, or cutting. I have been on P/RR/S in some form for over 5 years now, and use it in all training phases.
How would you tweak the P/RR/S program if you wanted to cut? Would I do something like S/RR/S/P or do I stick to the regular P/RR/S program? I realize the diet needs to be in check and the cardio needs to increase, but can I do anything different with the weights. Thanks in advance for any replies.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckleso4
How would you tweak the P/RR/S program if you wanted to cut? Would I do something like S/RR/S/P or do I stick to the regular P/RR/S program? I realize the diet needs to be in check and the cardio needs to increase, but can I do anything different with the weights. Thanks in advance for any replies.
No need to do anything much differently when cutting. However, as calories get lower and you get leaner the body is more prone to injury from power training...so, you might want to make power week less frequent if you start to feel aches and pains. Something like P/RR/RR/S would work. But go by how you feel.



Posted by: ChrisROCK

yeah, i found power week to be tough on the body... but then again, I'm getting old I guess...



Posted by: Rissole

When i cut for my last comp i changed nothing My strength never dropped till after the comp and i had done the 2 weeks of lighter training.



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
When i cut for my last comp i changed nothing My strength never dropped till after the comp and i had done the 2 weeks of lighter training.
FREAK!!! lol j/k bud



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadBolt
FREAK!!! lol j/k bud
No joke...I worked with him closely for his first show and he IS A FREAK!!



Posted by: Rissole

Thank you gentlemen I can only say it's cause of P/RR/S though



Posted by: Kracin

first of all id like to say thanks to gopro for posting this here otherwise i would have never seen it and thought of using it. but i'm having difficulty putting a routine together myself as i dont go to a gym an donly have a certain amount of things here to work with, so exercises are limited you could say.

what i have at home to use:
Squat rack
Straight bar (no bench holder, benchpressing done with the rack)
ez curl bar
punching bag
and of course lots of weight to go with it all

i wanted a good solid power routine to go with. and i came out with these exercises on these days.

POWER WEEK:

Monday:
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Chest:
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Barbell Bench Press
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Biceps:
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Standing Barbell Curl
Flexed Hang

Tuesday:
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Quads:
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Squats
Shrugs
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Hamstrings:
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Stiff-Legged Deadlift
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Abs
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Inverted Situps

Wednesday: Off

Thursday:
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Deltoids:
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Press behind Neck
Military Press
Upright Row
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Triceps:
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Close Grip bench Press
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Obliques
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Inverted Oblique Situps

Friday:
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Back:
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Deadlift
Bent Over Row
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Calves:
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Standing Calf Raise
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Abs
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Inverted Situps

saturday: 0ff

sunday: off


i still have to determine how many sets and reps, but im leaning toward a 5x5 count to get as much out of each day as possible since its working the parts once a week.

please let me know of any better exercises to do for strength and size gain during power week, and also if anyone wants to let me know a good set of exercises to go for a rep range week, that would be extremely helpful as i have no idea where to start on that. thanks



Posted by: Phred

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracin
first of all id like to say thanks to gopro for posting this here otherwise i would have never seen it and thought of using it. but i'm having difficulty putting a routine together myself as i dont go to a gym an donly have a certain amount of things here to work with, so exercises are limited you could say.

what i have at home to use:
Squat rack
Straight bar (no bench holder, benchpressing done with the rack)
ez curl bar
punching bag
and of course lots of weight to go with it all

Phred - I use a squat rack for a lot of my lifts as well. If you can get a set of dumbell handles that fit your wts it will be a good addition to get some flexibilty in your routine.

i wanted a good solid power routine to go with. and i came out with these exercises on these days.

POWER WEEK:

Monday:
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Chest:
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Barbell Bench Press
Phred - Also consider incline and decline press. If you had DBs you can add flys as well.
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Biceps:
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Standing Barbell Curl
Phred - There are many variations to the BB curl. Don't forget reverse curls as well for some forearm work.
Flexed Hang
Phred - center grip pull ups will hit the back and the bicepts

Tuesday:
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Quads:
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Squats
Phred - There are many variations of squats (front, hack, Zerker, sumo, Sissy, etc.)
Shrugs
Phred - Shrugs are for the traps not the quads. suggest these be moved to either shoulder or back days.
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Hamstrings:
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Stiff-Legged Deadlift
Phred - You may want to consider good mornings as well.
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Abs
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Inverted Situps
Phred - You can also do leg/knee lifts hanging from the rack.

Wednesday: Off

Thursday:
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Deltoids:
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Press behind Neck
Military Press
Upright Row
Phred - You can also add front raises with the BB.
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Triceps:
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Close Grip bench Press
Phred - you can do bench dips or skull crushers.
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Obliques
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Inverted Oblique Situps

Friday:
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Back:
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Deadlift
Bent Over Row
Phred - If you can do flexed hangs, you should be able to use same equip for pull ups and chin ups.
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Calves:
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Standing Calf Raise
Phred - you can do seated calf raises with the bar accross your thighs (I use padding)
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Abs
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Inverted Situps

saturday: 0ff

sunday: off


i still have to determine how many sets and reps, but im leaning toward a 5x5 count to get as much out of each day as possible since its working the parts once a week.

please let me know of any better exercises to do for strength and size gain during power week, and also if anyone wants to let me know a good set of exercises to go for a rep range week, that would be extremely helpful as i have no idea where to start on that. thanks
Below is my rep range week. It may help you with setting up some exercies and rep ranges:

Week 3 Rep Range

Chest/Tri’s RR Date:_____________ Start Time:________ End Time:_________
3 Sets Barbell Bench Press 6-8 reps – 255#______235#______
3 Sets Barbell Incline Press 8-10 reps – 165#_______155#_________
2 Sets Decline Dumbbell Flys 10-15 reps (slow)– 30#____________________
2 Sets Weighted Bench Dips 6-8 reps – 95#____________________
2 Sets French Press 8-10 reps – 70#______________
2 Sets Skull Crusher on Incline 10-12 reps – 50#____________________


Back/Bi’s RR Date:_____________ Start Time:________ End Time:_________
2 Sets Center Grip Chin Ups 6-8 reps____________________
2 Sets Wide Grip T-Bar Row 8-10 reps – 170#______________
2 Sets Dumbbell Row 10-12 reps – 80#____________________
2 Sets Dumbbell Pull Overs 12-15 reps – 45#______________________
2 Sets Barbell Curls 6-8 reps – 90#______________
2 Sets Alt DB Curls 8-10 reps – 35#____________________
2 Sets Incline at Side Curl 10-12 reps – 30#____________________


Shoulders RR Date:_____________ Start Time:________ End Time:_________
2 Sets Bent Lateral Raises-on incline bench 6-8 reps – 30#______________
3 Sets Seated DB Press 8-10 reps – 65#____________________
2 Sets Cable Side Lat Raises X in front - 10-12 reps – 10#_____________
3 Sets Shrugs 8-12 reps - 325#______________________


Fore Arms RR Date:_____________ Start Time:________ End Time:_________
2 Sets Behind Back Wrist Curls 9-12 reps – 70#____________
2 Sets Rev. Curls w/EZ bar Preacher Bench 13-15 reps – 20#___________
2 Sets Rev. Wrist Curls w/EZ bar 16-20 reps – 10#___________
3 Sets Seated Calf Raises 15-20 reps – 305#_________________
3 Sets Standing Calf Raises 15-20 reps – 325#_________________


Legs RR Date:_____________ Start Time:________ End Time:_________
2 Sets Leg Extensions 8-10 reps – 100#____________________
2 Sets Hack Squat 10-12 reps – 195#______________
2 Sets Sissy Squats 12-15 reps – body# _________________
2 Sets Good Mornings 6-8 reps - 135#______________________
2 Sets Leg Curls 8-10 reps – 150#____________________



Posted by: Kracin

thanks man, just still trying to compile a list of all the exercises i can do for each group with what i have so i can go off of that. this helps though



Posted by: Alaric

Hey gopro, I'll be cutting soon enough, and I was wondering if I could use a P/S/RR/S split?

I want to incoroporate 2 shock weeks in a 4 week cycle, cause I plan on dieting by rotating my calories on a weekly basis (P/RR - high cal week, S - low cal week).

Thanks again!

PS. this program is doing wonders for me, my new years resolution goal was 190 (I was at 170), and now I'm already at 193!! Bodyfat has remained roughly the same, and my strength has seen some definite increase!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Hey gopro, I'll be cutting soon enough, and I was wondering if I could use a P/S/RR/S split?

I want to incoroporate 2 shock weeks in a 4 week cycle, cause I plan on dieting by rotating my calories on a weekly basis (P/RR - high cal week, S - low cal week).

Thanks again!

PS. this program is doing wonders for me, my new years resolution goal was 190 (I was at 170), and now I'm already at 193!! Bodyfat has remained roughly the same, and my strength has seen some definite increase!
Yes, absolutely this is something you can do while cutting. Some people feel that shock week is the most productive for them.

23 lb gain is amazing man! I am so glad you are doing SO well! Keep it up b/c the program will keep delivering as long as you are progressive with it!

Please keep me posted on your progress!



Posted by: Alaric

Hey thanks for the reply gopro, and for the support! Every little bit helps you could say
Make that 194.6 lbs now I've been gaining roughly 1.5~2lbs/week, and managed to keep my waist size pretty much the same.

Just a quick question, when cutting how much do you think I should drop the cals to? I took your advice from earlier, and used 20x my bodyweight for my bulk, and then helped get me to where I am. I was thinking of using 16~18x my bodyweight for the cut, or do you think I should go even lower (I've got a really fast metabolism)?

Thanks again!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Hey thanks for the reply gopro, and for the support! Every little bit helps you could say
Make that 194.6 lbs now I've been gaining roughly 1.5~2lbs/week, and managed to keep my waist size pretty much the same.

Just a quick question, when cutting how much do you think I should drop the cals to? I took your advice from earlier, and used 20x my bodyweight for my bulk, and then helped get me to where I am. I was thinking of using 16~18x my bodyweight for the cut, or do you think I should go even lower (I've got a really fast metabolism)?

Thanks again!
Start by dropping to 18 x bodyweight. Do that for two weeks and see what happens. If its doing well, then stay there for 2 more weeks. If you are not cutting fast enough, drop to 16 x bodyweight after two weeks. See if you can get to where you want by going no lower than 14 x at any point.



Posted by: Alaric

OK thanks gopro, I'm going to be trying something new here along, it worked great last time, hopefully I'll benefit from this again (takes 4 weeks before I go into maintenance/cutting mode):
P - 20x bodyweight (~4000 cals)
S - 18x bodyweight (~3500 cals)
RR - 20x bodyweight (~4000 cals)
S - 18x bodyweight (~3500 cals)

I'm just hoping rotating 500 cals, should be a big enough shock to the body and put me below maintenance level. We'll see what this little experiment does for me!

Thanks alot!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
OK thanks gopro, I'm going to be trying something new here along, it worked great last time, hopefully I'll benefit from this again (takes 4 weeks before I go into maintenance/cutting mode):
P - 20x bodyweight (~4000 cals)
S - 18x bodyweight (~3500 cals)
RR - 20x bodyweight (~4000 cals)
S - 18x bodyweight (~3500 cals)

I'm just hoping rotating 500 cals, should be a big enough shock to the body and put me below maintenance level. We'll see what this little experiment does for me!

Thanks alot!
Try that. If it doesn't do enough for you, drop to:

P-20 x
S-18x
RR-20x
S-16x



Posted by: Alaric

Consider it done, thanks gopro. I plan on doing this during April, so I'll let you know of my results.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Consider it done, thanks gopro. I plan on doing this during April, so I'll let you know of my results.
Awesome bro, awesome



Posted by: Souljati

I'm like Bruce Willis, Unbreakable, Die Hard.
About a month and a half ago (after a very, very long period of almost complete inactivity) I started running stairs after one trip to the gym where I could barely squat 145 ONCE! Since then I've been running HIIT stairs at the bleachers in my local university here and started doing standium stairs just about 2 weeks ago. Well let me tell you I went back to the gym yesterday and put those that 145 back on to see where i was, it seemed pretty easy. I didnt wanna get ahead of myself so i threw on a pair of 25's, still seemed easy, then another pair, now im squating 245, far more then ive ever done before yet it still seemed easy, by now someone else had asked if they could work in so i said sure, but then this guy threw FOUR 45's on each side and I started cussing under my breath, but after he did his set i got under to the bar just cuz I didnt wanna look like a puss taking off the weights, now this is 405 pounds, double my own weight and 50 pounds, I did 8 reps and immediately walked out of the gym utterly stunned, I know to some people I'd need an excuse to only be squatting 400 but this is almost double my previous max, and as I write this im still utterly stoned from the high that gave me. Everest, your next.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Souljati
I'm like Bruce Willis, Unbreakable, Die Hard.
About a month and a half ago (after a very, very long period of almost complete inactivity) I started running stairs after one trip to the gym where I could barely squat 145 ONCE! Since then I've been running HIIT stairs at the bleachers in my local university here and started doing standium stairs just about 2 weeks ago. Well let me tell you I went back to the gym yesterday and put those that 145 back on to see where i was, it seemed pretty easy. I didnt wanna get ahead of myself so i threw on a pair of 25's, still seemed easy, then another pair, now im squating 245, far more then ive ever done before yet it still seemed easy, by now someone else had asked if they could work in so i said sure, but then this guy threw FOUR 45's on each side and I started cussing under my breath, but after he did his set i got under to the bar just cuz I didnt wanna look like a puss taking off the weights, now this is 405 pounds, double my own weight and 50 pounds, I did 8 reps and immediately walked out of the gym utterly stunned, I know to some people I'd need an excuse to only be squatting 400 but this is almost double my previous max, and as I write this im still utterly stoned from the high that gave me. Everest, your next.
I have NO idea what this has to do with P/RR/S, but anyway, congrats on the awesome lifting!



Posted by: bambam613

gopro ,all these years of box squats, pause squats, etc.....and all i ever needed was to run stairs.....awesome.....heading out right now the empire state building.....
peace



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by bambam613
gopro ,all these years of box squats, pause squats, etc.....and all i ever needed was to run stairs.....awesome.....heading out right now the empire state building.....
peace
LOL big Mike...I guess if you really want to push that squat up to 600 you better reconsider your strategy...stop all those specialized squats and get on those steps!!



Posted by: DOMS

Hey Eric, I just purchased the May issue of Iron Man. That was a good clean, concise, article. I do believe you just made another convert to P/RR/S.

Congratulates on getting your article published.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Hey Eric, I just purchased the May issue of Iron Man. That was a good clean, concise, article. I do believe you just made another convert to P/RR/S.

Congratulates on getting your article published.
Thank you very much for your kind words. That was actually the second P/RR/S article that I had published, the first one being in Musclemag International in 2004. The new one was a re-tooled version of the first one, but far better I feel. I will be doing another one for Ironman soon, expanding on the first article.

Thanks again, and let me know how you like P/RR/S.



Posted by: LeanDreamer

Ok, chalk this up to being a newbie but what the heck does P/RR/S mean?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeanDreamer
Ok, chalk this up to being a newbie but what the heck does P/RR/S mean?
Power
Rep Range
Shock



Posted by: njc

Hey Gopro, allot of your system seems to involve low amounts of sets for each muscle group. Do you go pretty much to failure on your lifts?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by njc
Hey Gopro, allot of your system seems to involve low amounts of sets for each muscle group. Do you go pretty much to failure on your lifts?
I go to failure on each working set, and often beyond. How far you push depends on your training experience, innate recovery abilities, your lifestyle, and how well your supplement/training regimen is set up. But muscle is built with intensity, not volume (for the most part). You do not need alot of sets to grow, and too many sets are counterproductive.



Posted by: njc

Cool. I meant to start your program about a month ago but messed my back up working and have done only light machine lifting for a while. Its almost gone know and I think ill start her up here if not next week the one after.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by njc
Cool. I meant to start your program about a month ago but messed my back up working and have done only light machine lifting for a while. Its almost gone know and I think ill start her up here if not next week the one after.
Heal that back and then rock n roll!!



Posted by: Alaric

Just an update on the P/RR/S situation, its helped me get up to the 197 mark, from about 170 (since new years). Great gains, and throughout that, I've gained maybe only a quarter of an inch to half an inch on my waist size, which I don't think is to bad for gaining over 25 lbs in 4 months.

Looks like I won't be hitting the 200 mark this bulking cycle, I'm out of supplements and I can't get any until this weekend, and I start cutting on monday with my shock week. I'm down to 195-196 now, thanks to a horrendous diet these past 2 days.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Just an update on the P/RR/S situation, its helped me get up to the 197 mark, from about 170 (since new years). Great gains, and throughout that, I've gained maybe only a quarter of an inch to half an inch on my waist size, which I don't think is to bad for gaining over 25 lbs in 4 months.

Looks like I won't be hitting the 200 mark this bulking cycle, I'm out of supplements and I can't get any until this weekend, and I start cutting on monday with my shock week. I'm down to 195-196 now, thanks to a horrendous diet these past 2 days.
So you are saying you have basically added 27 relatively solid lbs in the past 3 months???



Posted by: Alaric

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
So you are saying you have basically added 27 relatively solid lbs in the past 3 months???
lol actually in 4 months Its not all solid though, cause if it was, I wouldn't have gained that quarter-half inch on my waist
lol



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
lol actually in 4 months Its not all solid though, cause if it was, I wouldn't have gained that quarter-half inch on my waist
lol
Dude, a quarter inch on the waist alongside a 27 lb gain is practically nothing...probably 22-23 lbs of that weight is pure muscle!



Posted by: Alaric

oh wow, I never really looked at it that way :P
I'd like to see where I get after my cut, hopefully I'll be able to keep my gains, as well as, my lifts

I've got some crappy progress pictures, crappy because they were taken by webcam (didn't have a digicam back then)....
I'll post them up if you don't mind gopro....



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
oh wow, I never really looked at it that way :P
I'd like to see where I get after my cut, hopefully I'll be able to keep my gains, as well as, my lifts

I've got some crappy progress pictures, crappy because they were taken by webcam (didn't have a digicam back then)....
I'll post them up if you don't mind gopro....
Damn bro thats awsome progress!!!!! I gained something like 30lbs my first 6 months or so but only kept about 17 of that...rest of it was shed away with my cut. You have done some awsome work my friend...

Hell yea post them damn pics I gotta see this. I'm sure you look awsome!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
oh wow, I never really looked at it that way :P
I'd like to see where I get after my cut, hopefully I'll be able to keep my gains, as well as, my lifts

I've got some crappy progress pictures, crappy because they were taken by webcam (didn't have a digicam back then)....
I'll post them up if you don't mind gopro....
Post em up my brother!!



Posted by: dstack

Eric, I've been using your workout "religiously" for the past year and I'm still making nice gains. On my URL I've linked to your article and have clipboard sheet available for print at: http://www.rodstephens.com/buildleanmass.html



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by dstack
Eric, I've been using your workout "religiously" for the past year and I'm still making nice gains. On my URL I've linked to your article and have clipboard sheet available for print at: http://www.rodstephens.com/buildleanmass.html
Wow, this is awesome! Thanks! Glad you are doing well on my program!



Posted by: Alaric

Hmm alright here's some progression pictures and future pictures.

This will by my starting point for the cut (195~197):
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/at...chmentid=19397
*had hat hair, but didn't have the hat on...so I had to photoshop one in there lol

Comparison Pictures (webcam):
Since I didn't have a digicam back then, I had to use a webcam, and I trained to copy the pose (more or less) from progress pic to progress pic:

167~170: Here
183~185:Here 2
195~197:Here 3

They're not the best comparison pictures though, because I couldn't keep the lighting constant (kinda hard when you gotta take them in different places).

Hopefully in a couple months, I'll be able to add better quality pictures from my cut (this time using my digicam). The downside to this bulking phase, was the amount of new stretch marks I got, but oh well they'll fade.



Posted by: DOMS

Do partials have any place in P/RR/S?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Hmm alright here's some progression pictures and future pictures.

This will by my starting point for the cut (195~197):
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/at...chmentid=19397
*had hat hair, but didn't have the hat on...so I had to photoshop one in there lol

Comparison Pictures (webcam):
Since I didn't have a digicam back then, I had to use a webcam, and I trained to copy the pose (more or less) from progress pic to progress pic:

167~170: Here
183~185:Here 2
195~197:Here 3

They're not the best comparison pictures though, because I couldn't keep the lighting constant (kinda hard when you gotta take them in different places).

Hopefully in a couple months, I'll be able to add better quality pictures from my cut (this time using my digicam). The downside to this bulking phase, was the amount of new stretch marks I got, but oh well they'll fade.
Looking good bro!! Getting really thick up top!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Do partials have any place in P/RR/S?
Yes, they can be used to extend a set.



Posted by: DOMS

OK, thanks.



Posted by: Alaric

Hey gopro one other thing I was thinking about adding to the routine is this:

Quote:
You cannot change the origin and insertion points of a muscle, but you can work to make it less noticable by building mass in that area.

In order to do this I recommend the following superset in each of your chest workouts...

-decline CABLE flyes/medium grip decline press

or...

-decline CABLE flyes/decline dumbell press

Concentrate and squeeze hard during the contraction.
Something you said a couple years back, would I add that in for every week at the end of my chest workout (P, RR and S), and also, would be okay to substitute decline dumbell flyes for the decline cable flyes?



Posted by: DOMS

Generally it's accepted that the legs need more reps than most other muscles/groups. Does this hold true as well when doing P/RR/S? Or should I stick to the 4-6 rep range during Power week?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Generally it's accepted that the legs need more reps than most other muscles/groups. Does this hold true as well when doing P/RR/S? Or should I stick to the 4-6 rep range during Power week?
Stick with the 4-6 Legs definately get stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps as well. Are you doing P/RR/S now?



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by rock4832
Stick with the 4-6 Legs definately get stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps as well. Are you doing P/RR/S now?
Yes my legs have definately been "stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps"



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Yes my legs have definately been "stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps"
Always making fun of me



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by rock4832
Always making fun of me
No... i was bein serious....



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Hey gopro one other thing I was thinking about adding to the routine is this:



Something you said a couple years back, would I add that in for every week at the end of my chest workout (P, RR and S), and also, would be okay to substitute decline dumbell flyes for the decline cable flyes?
Why, are you lacking mass in the lower area of the pecs?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Generally it's accepted that the legs need more reps than most other muscles/groups. Does this hold true as well when doing P/RR/S? Or should I stick to the 4-6 rep range during Power week?
Stick with 4-6 reps during power week. This will stimulate high threshold fibers and will increase strength in the higher rep ranges as well.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by rock4832
Stick with the 4-6 Legs definately get stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps as well. Are you doing P/RR/S now?
Thanks rock.
Yes. I just started this morining. w00t!



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Stick with 4-6 reps during power week. This will stimulate high threshold fibers and will increase strength in the higher rep ranges as well.
So I'll stick to 4-6 reps with partials every now and then.
Thanks gopro.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
So I'll stick to 4-6 reps with partials every now and then.
Thanks gopro.




Posted by: Alaric

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Why, are you lacking mass in the lower area of the pecs?
Yeah I think I pretty much do, I feel that its my weakest point. I understand that I can't necessarily isolate "lower chest", and i don't mean to bring that argument up again, but do you think I'd benefit from the routine posted above?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Thanks rock.
Yes. I just started this morining. w00t!
Awesome Are you going to start a journal? I'll read it if you do



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
So I'll stick to 4-6 reps with partials every now and then.
Thanks gopro.
Something I remember Gopro say a few years ago- He was talking about intensity doing his P/RR/S and side laterals. He said when he did side laterals he would hit his Rep Range with full ROM, and then he would keep going, doing partials or even just a few inches until he couldn't move his arms out at all. Always something I kept in mind when doing his program.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Yeah I think I pretty much do, I feel that its my weakest point. I understand that I can't necessarily isolate "lower chest", and i don't mean to bring that argument up again, but do you think I'd benefit from the routine posted above?
Don't worry, I won't have that argument in this thread. I DO believe you can "emphasize" different areas of the chest, so yes, the above routine would help. Use it only on shock week though. On power and rep range just use decline movements over flat movements.



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Yes my legs have definately been "stimulated with VERY heavy, low reps"
O hell yea!! Anyone who can walk after a gopro w/o didn't do it right LOL! I noticed great gains with my legs when I worked in the 4-6 rep range....just be sure to keep good form and get a full ROM. Many people tend to do just partials because they are afraid and in the end you screw yourself!



Posted by: AntiBlackOp1

alright im currently on week 1 of this program..i need help developing my routine for the last week week 3 shock.. i do not understand what drop set and that is please help me out....

thanks ..tyler



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiBlackOp1
alright im currently on week 1 of this program..i need help developing my routine for the last week week 3 shock.. i do not understand what drop set and that is please help me out....

thanks ..tyler
An example will prolly be best Ty...
Take CG row, Start with your first weight that will take you to failure around 8 reps, when you have done that imediately drop the weight down so you can get about anouther 6 out, when you have done that imediately drop the weight down again so you can get about another 6 out and finished..
Hope that was clear enough



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiBlackOp1
alright im currently on week 1 of this program..i need help developing my routine for the last week week 3 shock.. i do not understand what drop set and that is please help me out....

thanks ..tyler
Just as riss said...a drop set is a set performed to failure, then you drop some weight and go to failure again, and again. You can do as many drop sets as you want and the reps you shoot for is up to you bud. Just remember when you think your done you've just started lol!



Posted by: gopro

Thanks Riz and Dead for helping out here. I so appreciate when my "Board of P/RR/S Trustees" is there to help out the newcomers!

You guys are great!



Posted by: Rissole

No prob's Eric, just been lagging a bit and wanted to pick the game up a notch
BTW is your phone number still the same??



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
No prob's Eric, just been lagging a bit and wanted to pick the game up a notch
BTW is your phone number still the same??
My cell is still the same, yes.



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
No prob's Eric, just been lagging a bit and wanted to pick the game up a notch
BTW is your phone number still the same??
Damn man he changes his avi so he needs to start posting everywhere just so people can see him! Damn board whore! LOL



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Thanks Riz and Dead for helping out here. I so appreciate when my "Board of P/RR/S Trustees" is there to help out the newcomers!

You guys are great!
Ahem.....*clears throat*



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Ahem.....*clears throat*
*Points and laughs @ the boy in the back of class that no one pays attention to*



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Awesome Are you going to start a journal? I'll read it if you do
Are you kidding? Do a journal detailing the weights I use (especially for someone of my bodyweight)? There's already enough humor on the site as it is...



Posted by: DOMS

gopro, could you provide an example of a leg routine during Power week?

Thanks.



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
gopro, could you provide an example of a leg routine during Power week?

Thanks.
This is from the first page
Legs

POWER: week 1

- Squats...3 x 4-6
- Leg press...3 x 4-6
- Single leg extension...2 x 4-6
- Lying leg curl...3 x 4-6
- Stiff deadlift...2-3 x 4-6
Very typical of a good power week



Posted by: DOMS

From the first page of this thread? Hey, I started on page 22, there was no way I was going to go read the previous pages.

Oh, and thanks.



Posted by: Rissole

No worries champ, smash them legs



Posted by: njc

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
My training split is changed every 3 P/RR/S cycles, or every 9 weeks or so. My current, and favorite split is:

monday: chest/delts/abs
tuesday: quads/hams/calves
wednesday: off
thursday: lats/traps/low back/abs
friday: bis/tris/forearms/calves
saturday: 0ff
sunday: off
I thought training shoulders with Chest is a big no-no.



Posted by: jaim91

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
An example will prolly be best Ty...
Take CG row, Start with your first weight that will take you to failure around 8 reps, when you have done that imediately drop the weight down so you can get about anouther 6 out, when you have done that imediately drop the weight down again so you can get about another 6 out and finished..
Hope that was clear enough
Shouldn't you do more reps if you're dropping/reducing the weight?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadBolt
*Points and laughs @ the boy in the back of class that no one pays attention to*
Exactly!!!! I'm always passed over



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Are you kidding? Do a journal detailing the weights I use (especially for someone of my bodyweight)? There's already enough humor on the site as it is...
Oh, C'mon. The weights don't matter. It's about accountability and letting people see your progress. C'mon- Du it!!



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by njc
I thought training shoulders with Chest is a big no-no.
Why would that be? Your shoulders come into play when working chest so why not finish them off as well?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaim91
Shouldn't you do more reps if you're dropping/reducing the weight?
No, because your still going to failure....failure is the key.



Posted by: njc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Why would that be? Your shoulders come into play when working chest so why not finish them off as well?
Well ive always thought that youre shoulders would be weakened after hitting youre chest and would suffer performance wise.

I know the same theory applies to other body parts, ex. bis after back, but i thought shoulders should be given some priority.



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by njc
Well ive always thought that youre shoulders would be weakened after hitting youre chest and would suffer performance wise.

I know the same theory applies to other body parts, ex. bis after back, but i thought shoulders should be given some priority.
I think it all comes down to your goals. If your shoulders need extra work, then separate them, if not it won't hurt. Personally, my shoulders DO need extra work so I keep them seperated



Posted by: njc

Gotcha.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Ahem.....*clears throat*
Yes, I apologize that I did not include you. Thanks for helping out in this thread as well!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by njc
I thought training shoulders with Chest is a big no-no.
No, not at all. I love training shoulders with chest...but like I have mentioned, I change my split after every few cycles of P/RR/S.



Posted by: DeadBolt

I find I respond pretty good to working delts with chest. I've also noticed I tend to get injured less when doing it this way LOL! From now on its delts and chest for me till my shoulder is 100%



Posted by: Alaric

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Don't worry, I won't have that argument in this thread. I DO believe you can "emphasize" different areas of the chest, so yes, the above routine would help. Use it only on shock week though. On power and rep range just use decline movements over flat movements.
Alright, then I'll try hitting up declines install of flats, and see how that holds up for me after a cycle. Will it be ok for me to substitue decline flyes for decline cable crossovers though?



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Oh, C'mon. The weights don't matter. It's about accountability and letting people see your progress. C'mon- Du it!!
OK, I'll do a journal, but I wont start it until next Monday. This week is way too hectic. I've already missed one workout. I have a client who had a power surge like I've never seen before. It killed three of their machines (two of them were servers) and messed up quite a few. Hell, I put in 13 hours yesterday, though I did workout yesterday but not this morning.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Will it be ok for me to substitue decline flyes for decline cable crossovers though?
Yup!



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
OK, I'll do a journal, but I wont start it until next Monday. This week is way too hectic. I've already missed one workout. I have a client who had a power surge like I've never seen before. It killed three of their machines (two of them were servers) and messed up quite a few. Hell, I put in 13 hours yesterday, though I did workout yesterday but not this morning.
Look forward to it buddy! And don't kill yourself at work



Posted by: Alaric

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Yup!
Thanks again gopro, I'm in the middle of the experimentation process, so to speak....We'll see how this goes



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Thanks again gopro, I'm in the middle of the experimentation process, so to speak....We'll see how this goes
Keep me posted!



Posted by: Alaric

will do boss.

What I'm doing right now is using your "best off season diet post", and I've focused my diet in on that (low carb weekdays, higher carb weekends). I've also been timing my carbs around my workout (60% after workout, 40% 2 hours before). So the structure of my cutting meal plan is the same as my bulking meal plan with the exception of less calories (looks like this):

Mon-Fri
Protein = 2.1g / lb of bodyweight
Carbs = 1.05g / lb of bodyweight
Fat = 0.55g / lb of bodyweight

Sat-Sun
P = 1.5g / lb of bw
C = 1.95 / lb of bw
F = 0.34 / lb of bw

[edit] After re-reading some of your older posts, I might change that up so that:
1) my protein remains constant throughout the week @ 2.1 g / lb.
2) I eat half the carbs on weekend instead of double
3) less fat monday-friday, more fat saturday and sunday (just rotate them)

Question is, using what I just posted in the edit. That gives me about 13.5 cals/lb. How would I modify the above, so that I'm using 18 cals/lb?



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric

[edit] After re-reading some of your older posts, I might change that up so that:
1) my protein remains constant throughout the week @ 2.1 g / lb.
2) I eat half the carbs on weekend instead of double
3) less fat monday-friday, more fat saturday and sunday (just rotate them)
That sounds better b/c you are less active during the weekend. You want the carbs around your workouts not your partying LOL.



Posted by: DOMS

I'm on hold with Microsoft so I thought I'd drop in.

I've only worked out once this (Power) week, but I do have one thing to note: I worked my legs and the DOMS is different. My hamstrings hurt more towards the glutes than the calves and during my workout, I really felt it in my Vastus Medialis, and I mean really felt it. It almost felt like it was being isolated. Strange.

I'm going to try to squeeze in a back workout tonight.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
I'm on hold with Microsoft so I thought I'd drop in.

I've only worked out once this (Power) week, but I do have one thing to note: I worked my legs and the DOMS is different. My hamstrings hurt more towards the glutes than the calves and during my workout, I really felt it in my Vastus Medialis, and I mean really felt it. It almost felt like it was being isolated. Strange.

I'm going to try to squeeze in a back workout tonight.
Keep us posted!!



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Keep us posted!!
Just so you know, I don't plan on keeping a journal in this thread.

I just mention the above because of the change in DOMS and was wondering if anyone else experienced the same sort of change. Maybe it was the four second concentric?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Just so you know, I don't plan on keeping a journal in this thread.

I just mention the above because of the change in DOMS and was wondering if anyone else experienced the same sort of change. Maybe it was the four second concentric?
Cool, it could be the weight. With such heavy weight you "feel" certain muscles come into play more dominantly than you would otherwise. Come Monday I better see a journal from you



Posted by: Alaric

Alrighty, I'm all set! Gopro you've helped me surpass my bulking goals with your advice and P/RR/S, lets see how it will hold up for me while I cut. I've started up a new journal specifically for this, and I plan on keeping it.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=46491 for you guys to check out my progress/transformation. It all starts tomorrow!



Posted by: ccr_bballer33

well GP I have a question for you, is there anything to subsitute for leg extensions or could I leave those out all together, I have a bad right knee due to basketball and this seems to really hurt it. The other exercises dont put as much stress on it. My coach who is also a physical therapist had me last year totally eliminate them..due to the stress put on the knee. What is your suggestion?



Posted by: Rocco32

I've got a question Gopro Doing P/RR/S II, is there any way to include explosive movements in as well?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaric
Alrighty, I'm all set! Gopro you've helped me surpass my bulking goals with your advice and P/RR/S, lets see how it will hold up for me while I cut. I've started up a new journal specifically for this, and I plan on keeping it.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=46491 for you guys to check out my progress/transformation. It all starts tomorrow!
P/RR/S works just as well for cutting as it does for bulking. Have fun!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccr_bballer33
well GP I have a question for you, is there anything to subsitute for leg extensions or could I leave those out all together, I have a bad right knee due to basketball and this seems to really hurt it. The other exercises dont put as much stress on it. My coach who is also a physical therapist had me last year totally eliminate them..due to the stress put on the knee. What is your suggestion?
Eliminate any exercise that causes you pain that is unrelated to normal training-induced muscle burning or soreness.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
I've got a question Gopro Doing P/RR/S II, is there any way to include explosive movements in as well?
Sure, why not. I would say that this would be best for power week.



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
P/RR/S works just as well for cutting as it does for bulking. Have fun!
Works great for cutting!!!



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Sure, why not. I would say that this would be best for power week.
Thanks Eric. Could you give me some examples of what to do and what to replace it with to keep from overtraining?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Thanks Eric. Could you give me some examples of what to do and what to replace it with to keep from overtraining?
Well, what do you mean by explosive movements specifically? Olympic type lifts, or explosive as in moving weight as quickly as possible?



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Well, what do you mean by explosive movements specifically? Olympic type lifts, or explosive as in moving weight as quickly as possible?
I think Olympic. Maybe both LOL. Here is my concern. I've never learned to "explode". So I have low bench, Dead, Squat and I can't arm wrestle to save my life LOL. I build up power as I go, but I don't *BAM* just hit it. Does that make sense. I'd like to train that a bit so if the instance ever occured, I could explode into action, not just go slowly. Am I making sense?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
I think Olympic. Maybe both LOL. Here is my concern. I've never learned to "explode". So I have low bench, Dead, Squat and I can't arm wrestle to save my life LOL. I build up power as I go, but I don't *BAM* just hit it. Does that make sense. I'd like to train that a bit so if the instance ever occured, I could explode into action, not just go slowly. Am I making sense?
Well, you need to learn a few of the lifts, like the snatch and clean and clean and jerk. You also need to learn how to explode out of the bottom of lifts like bench presses and squats. This is more of a mindset than anything, but DOES take practice.



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Well, you need to learn a few of the lifts, like the snatch and clean and clean and jerk. You also need to learn how to explode out of the bottom of lifts like bench presses and squats. This is more of a mindset than anything, but DOES take practice.




Posted by: Kracin

hey, just wanna say thanks gopro for having this up here on the website... not sure how much doing P/RR has helped me, but in the last 2 months ive gone from 180, to 200 with my improved diet. also started using this routine, 15 lbs lean, 5 lbs fat. pretty good imo, i might incorporate the S if i can ever figure out how to get it done good lol.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracin
hey, just wanna say thanks gopro for having this up here on the website... not sure how much doing P/RR has helped me, but in the last 2 months ive gone from 180, to 200 with my improved diet. also started using this routine, 15 lbs lean, 5 lbs fat. pretty good imo, i might incorporate the S if i can ever figure out how to get it done good lol.
Awesome progress Kracin!! Well, you are welcome and I hope that P/RR has contributed to your success!



Posted by: Rocco32

Question- For P/RR/S II when working the Hamstrings, I know SLDL is too dangerous for the 1 Rep Max. How's about Sumo Deads?

Question II- When doing P/RR/S II and you repeat one of the weeks like say Power week, would it be alright to do the first week Part II style and the second week through Part I style?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Question- For P/RR/S II when working the Hamstrings, I know SLDL is too dangerous for the 1 Rep Max. How's about Sumo Deads?

Question II- When doing P/RR/S II and you repeat one of the weeks like say Power week, would it be alright to do the first week Part II style and the second week through Part I style?
Sumo Deads could work. But with P week in the part 2 version I might only use it for certain bodyparts/exercises. Hams might not be best suited to a single.

Yes, you can do Part II P and then basic P.



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Sumo Deads could work. But with P week in the part 2 version I might only use it for certain bodyparts/exercises. Hams might not be best suited to a single.

Yes, you can do Part II P and then basic P.
Thanks GP, maybe triples?



Posted by: Kracin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Thanks GP, maybe triples?
try leg curls for hams? deads are still a great exercise for overall strength as well.


btw Dune is awesome, i was addicted for a while!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Thanks GP, maybe triples?
Triples could work.



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Hams might not be best suited to a single.
I like the single for lying leg curls.........



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracin
try leg curls for hams? deads are still a great exercise for overall strength as well.


btw Dune is awesome, i was addicted for a while!
Thanks Buddy. I just feel I cheat too much with hips when I try SUPER heavy for Hams. Dune is or was great. I liked the first few books but you can't beat that first one! Most people don't get my sig!



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Triples could work.
Thanks Eric!



Posted by: Rocco32

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
I like the single for lying leg curls.........
Yeah, we all know what YOU like



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
I like the single for lying leg curls.........
Hey Riz, your sis looks cute! Nice back on her!



Posted by: DeadBolt

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Originally Posted by gopro
Hey Riz, your sis looks cute! Nice back on her!




Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Yeah, we all know what YOU like
What.....?? Dives....??



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Hey Riz, your sis looks cute! Nice back on her!




Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
I might have to come visit you in Australia after all!



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
I might have to come visit you in Australia after all!
Thats Sapphy in that pic ya know....



Posted by: Rissole

Answer your phone ya retard!!!!



Posted by: Oz lifter

hi guys

Today I just completed my first week of p/rr/s. Felt awsome for most body parts, these are the muscles that are still sore chest, tris, hams, quads, lats. I take being sore as a good sign

a couple of questions for those in the know.

On shoulder day I dont think there was any exercises that work the rear delts is this correct ? I think the front and lateral delts were covered but not the rear delts, should I do some lateral raises whilst laying down on a bench for this or not ?

Also on arm day my triceps got a solid workout but I feel I could handle more work on my biceps I did barbell curls for 2 sets, hammer curls for 2 sets and preacher curls for 2 sets. I figured because Im only training each body part once per week is it possible to do 3 sets on each bicep exercise compared to 2.

thanks

ps looking forward to rep range next week



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Thats Sapphy in that pic ya know....
Oh, been there, done that



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Answer your phone ya retard!!!!
Yeah, yeah, I got your message you P/RR/S freak....but that was at about 1 am my time!



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Oh, been there, done that


I thought the time i rang you was about the time i was ringing you last year...??
Speak to you soon, i am trying to diet down a bit before my Sept comp again, i wanna do cartwheels into the comp this year. Place overall winner in the local, place well in the State if not win category and compete in the National. There is a local comp before the first local as well, i promised the guy who's been selling me my supps that i would compete, its his comp same federation as the others but just the first one he's put on.
4 comps in 2 months and i'm a bit scared of getting "flat" ya know...
Now i just read your "No cardio! Diet doing it all!" Thread and it's thrown me a doozie....
Yes will ring soon.....



Posted by: Rocco32

LOL, Pete always called me at like 2am

But I always look forward to his call

Where is that No Cardio thread? Guess I can look for it



Posted by: Rissole

Looks like we need to change to team Beast hey.....
There was a link to the thread in Alaric's journal



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole


I thought the time i rang you was about the time i was ringing you last year...??
Speak to you soon, i am trying to diet down a bit before my Sept comp again, i wanna do cartwheels into the comp this year. Place overall winner in the local, place well in the State if not win category and compete in the National. There is a local comp before the first local as well, i promised the guy who's been selling me my supps that i would compete, its his comp same federation as the others but just the first one he's put on.
4 comps in 2 months and i'm a bit scared of getting "flat" ya know...
Now i just read your "No cardio! Diet doing it all!" Thread and it's thrown me a doozie....
Yes will ring soon.....
Ok brother from another land...we'll talk soon. However, don't take the no cardio thing too literally...that is good enough to get you to the 6-7% bodyfat mark, but not enough to get you into show shape. For that you DO need cardio.



Posted by: ccr_bballer33

eh I still having trouble with Back day for Power. It just doesnt seem to hit me very well, I feel like I am not doing things right. Such as rack deads...any suggestions, also what is the proper form for that?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccr_bballer33
eh I still having trouble with Back day for Power. It just doesnt seem to hit me very well, I feel like I am not doing things right. Such as rack deads...any suggestions, also what is the proper form for that?
Back is a very hard bodypart to feel, and training it with heavy weights for low reps makes it even harder. You must keep your form very tight and do your best to focus on pulling with your back. It really takes practice to get. Just don't expect the same "feeling" from training back with 10-12 reps as you get from 4-6...its very different.

The form for rack deads is very straightfoward. The bar should begin at a position anywhere from mid-shin to just below the knee. You do these with a slight bend to the knee, but you initiate the pull more from the lower back than the legs. This is different than full deads, in which the pull is initiated from the quads and hips.



Posted by: Rocco32

Thanks GP, that helps me out as well. Just finished Back with Power II and was a bit concerned.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Thanks GP, that helps me out as well. Just finished Back with Power II and was a bit concerned.




Posted by: racoon02

I have a question. Should I be going to heavy, and till failure on shock week?



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by racoon02
I have a question. Should I be going to heavy, and till failure on shock week?
Stay within the specified rep range on shock day...in most cases 8-10...and yes, go till failure.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco32
Thanks GP, that helps me out as well. Just finished Back with Power II and was a bit concerned.
If you want to really feel it in your back, do Yate's Rows. A Yate's Row is: a bent-over barbell row with a supinated hold and your back at a 50 degree angle (from horizontal). I like to squeeze at the top. I really feel these. w00t!



Posted by: Rissole

You still alive buddy??

Oh yeah.... and i really miss The Tank meister



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
You still alive buddy??

Oh yeah.... and i really miss The Tank meister
Barely but yes.



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Stay within the specified rep range on shock day...in most cases 8-10...and yes, go till failure.
if you go over, its very taxing on the CNS trust me!!!!



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
You still alive buddy??

Oh yeah.... and i really miss The Tank meister
i'm here Riss, just Xtremly busy buddie!!!!!
but i'm doing great, the shoulder is like 98%, i feel nothing in it whats so ever..
and of course, i'm still braggin about this program!!
i'll get a pic or 2 taken Friday Riss to show you the progress!!!



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
i'm here Riss, just Xtremly busy buddie!!!!!
but i'm doing great, the shoulder is like 98%, i feel nothing in it whats so ever..
and of course, i'm still braggin about this program!!
i'll get a pic or 2 taken Friday Riss to show you the progress!!!
Yahoo its Tommy!!!
Great to hear from you mate and even better to hear you are doin well!!
Are you still competeing this year?? I am now about 16 weeks out and in desparate need of cleaning things up!! if you catch my drift....
I got some pics in my gallery from not that long ago



Posted by: DeadBolt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Yahoo its Tommy!!!
Great to hear from you mate and even better to hear you are doin well!!
Are you still competeing this year?? I am now about 16 weeks out and in desparate need of cleaning things up!! if you catch my drift....
I got some pics in my gallery from not that long ago
You need more then cleaning up you fat bastard!



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rissole
Yahoo its Tommy!!!
Great to hear from you mate and even better to hear you are doin well!!
Are you still competeing this year?? I am now about 16 weeks out and in desparate need of cleaning things up!! if you catch my drift....
I got some pics in my gallery from not that long ago
WOW you got up to 210, that awesome, you looked great,one day you'll be competeing at that wt,mate!!!!!
yes, i'll be competeing in Oct,you still going cave man diet?ala gopro!!!



Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadBolt
You need more then cleaning up you fat bastard!




Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
WOW you got up to 210, that awesome, you looked great,one day you'll be competeing at that wt,mate!!!!!
yes, i'll be competeing in Oct,you still going cave man diet?ala gopro!!!
Now THAT would be nice!!
Is there another way to eat than caveman GP style......

GP's shopping list:
Protien
Eggs
Meat
Sweet potatoe
Oil





Posted by: gopro

Cavemen had to hunt and kill their prey...same thing you guys will be doing when you get back on stage



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Cavemen had to hunt and kill their prey...same thing you guys will be doing when you get back on stage




Posted by: Rissole

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Cavemen had to hunt and kill their prey...same thing you guys will be doing when you get back on stage




Posted by: Tank316

in the team beast pic, is that Rock on the far rt[5th pic i think] if so, holy moly batman or should i say back man!!!!!!!



Posted by: Tank316

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank316
i'm here Riss, just Xtremly busy buddie!!!!!
but i'm doing great, the shoulder is like 98%, i feel nothing in it whats so ever..
and of course, i'm still braggin about this program!!
i'll get a pic or 2 taken Friday Riss to show you the progress!!!
pic taken ,just for you riss, and yes, the mass is Back!!!!



Posted by: Big Smoothy

I just want to clarify.

Gopro does 15-20 minutes of 'moderate' cardio after weight training.

You wait to eat your PWO1 until after the cardio is finished, correct?

No supplements after weight training, but before cardio?

Thanks in advance.



Posted by: Archangel

Brother TANK, holy cow, Awesome pic!!! Hows it goin? I took your advice from a long time agao, and I'm using the P/RR/S system, thanks again!!!



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu
I just want to clarify.

Gopro does 15-20 minutes of 'moderate' cardio after weight training.

You wait to eat your PWO1 until after the cardio is finished, correct?

No supplements after weight training, but before cardio?

Thanks in advance.
In general, yes. Of course when cutting, cardio amounts go up. Right after I'm done with the weights I have my creatine/BCAAs/glutamine. Then I do cardio. Once finished, I will then have my post workout meal. So:

weights
supps
cardio
PWmeal



Posted by: Big Smoothy

Much appreciated, Gopro.



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