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Posted by: ncgirl21

I know the best combination for weight loss is the ephendrine/asprin/caffeine stack- BUT how do I know how much of each to take?

Posted by: supertech

I take 25mg of ephedrine and 200mg of caffeine 3 times a day. I do not use the asprin though

Posted by: topolo

ditto

Posted by: ncgirl21

Do you take it with meals, before meals, workouts- what???

Posted by: topolo

spread out 3 times a day before meals

Posted by: atherjen

NOT WITH MEALS!!!!!!

empty stomach is superior from my research.

first thing in the morning, 30mins before meals.

Posted by: topolo

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Originally posted by atherjen
NOT WITH MEALS!!!!!!

empty stomach is superior from my research.

first thing in the morning, 30mins before meals.

That is what I said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jodi

Asprin is a waste IMO. I prefer Yohimbine hcl for an ECY stack.

Posted by: instant

wow I think I'd definitly take atherjen's advice - check out the gallery and those abs. I'm 7%bf and I will be doing situps all night after looking at those pics.

Posted by: atherjen

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Originally posted by topolo
That is what I said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO the edit put is a great function eh!

Posted by: ncgirl21

Can you buy just plain ephendrine and caffeine? Will it say that on the bottle if so?

Posted by: ZECH

The only thing you can get now is stuff like Vasopro that has Guaifensin in it. You will have to add the caffeine source.

Posted by: Vise

pure ephedrine: http://www.thestimulantpeople.com/cg.../10082782.html

is it bad to take ecy on an empty stomach (i.e. will the cns stimulation be more pronounced)? anyway, i apologize for my ignorance. what is the basic cycle format (1 month on, week off: x2; 5 days on, 2 off; etc.)? all the stuff i've read says sometime else.

Posted by: JLB001

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Originally Posted by Jodi

Asprin is a waste IMO. I prefer Yohimbine hcl for an ECY stack.

I'm with Jodi on this one. I like mine with the Yohimbine. But have switched this week to S.A.N.'s Tight. Gotta give the bod a rest from the other stuff. So far so good on the Tight, I'm liking it a bunch!

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by Jodi

I prefer Yohimbine hcl for an ECY stack.

be careful...here is a good article on it: http://www.protraineronline.com/past...00/yohimbe.cfm

Posted by: topolo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodi
I prefer Yohimbine hcl for an ECY stack.

be careful...here is a good article on it: http://www.protraineronline.com/pas...l00/yohimbe.cfm

Rob........I thought disagreeing with Jodi wasn't allowed here??????????

Posted by: Jodi

You just don't shut up, do you?

Prince - I agree that YHCL is not for everyone but neither is Ephedrine

Posted by: topolo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

You just don't shut up, do you?

I was just trying to defend your honor.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by topolo

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Rob........I thought disagreeing with Jodi wasn't allowed here??????????

not disagreeing, just saying be careful, Yohimbine is powerful.

Posted by: Spottieottie

Aspirin can be very dangerous when used in this stack and maybe even by itself. I read some articles about people urinating blood and bleeding from, dare I say, their anus. It's very hard on the stomach and can cause internal bleeding. I take this stack without the aspirin. I haven't had any headaches, like some people have reported. So far it's going fine. I'm no expert but this is just what I have heard.

Posted by: Spottieottie

O, I forgot and some people were urinatining blood.

Posted by: OmarJackson

in an ECY, what kind of dosage of yohimbe should be used?

say 25mg E, 200mg C, and ?mg Y

Posted by: atherjen

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Originally Posted by Spottieottie

Aspirin can be very dangerous when used in this stack and maybe even by itself. I read some articles about people urinating blood and bleeding from, dare I say, their anus. It's very hard on the stomach and can cause internal bleeding. I take this stack without the aspirin. I haven't had any headaches, like some people have reported. So far it's going fine. I'm no expert but this is just what I have heard.

"Aspirin {salicyclic acid acetate} and it's naturally occurring methyl ester (methyl salicylate)—found in the leaves of Gaultheria procumbrens and on the bark of Betula lenta—have long been used as analgesics, anti-inflammatories, antipyretics and recently as anti-coagulants. The "A" portion of ECA, aspirin has been thought of potentiating the thermogenic and lipolytic properties of both ephedrine and caffeine. Recent research seems to contradict this however. At a study at The University of London's Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, 40 women (20 non-obese and 20 obese) were given either ephedrine and caffeine (30 mg and 100 mg) or ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin (30 mg, 100 mg, and 300 mg) post prandially (1050 kJ liquid meal). Using indirect calorimetry, observations were made in all groups every 30 minutes for 160 minutes. There was no significant differences between the groups that received aspirin and the groups that did not. We conclude that aspirin does not potentiate the acute thermic effect of ephedrine and caffeine.6

In another study conducted at King's College in London, it was demonstrated that aspirin does not potentiate the thermogenic response to ephedrine in lean women and only slightly so in obese women.7 The increase seen in this study represented a 1.2 kcal per hour increase in metabolism for lean women and a 2.4 kcal per hour increase in metabolism in obese women over use of ephedrine alone, which over an entire week, would represent less than one ounce of bodyweight. We feel that this is insignificant.7

Based on these two studies, we feel that aspirin and its analogs do not play a substantial role in inducing or increasing thermogenesis and/or lipolysis but they do have the potential to induce SAEs when consumed over long periods of time (e.g. ulceration of the stomach and increases in bleeding times). Therefore, we feel that aspirin and it's analogs should not be used in any thermogenic/lipolytic stack. "

The Ultimate ECA Guide
By Stephen Schmitz, MD, MPH
and Bruce Kneller, BSN-RN

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5) Federal Register, Vol. 62(107). 21 CFR Part 111, Dietary Supplements Containing Ephedrine Alkaloids, Proposed Rule.
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Posted by: Power Rabbit

I wouldnt take the MAOI inhibitor effects of yohmbe litely. The yohimbe will make it so your body wont be able to break the ephidrine down as easily as it hits more sesitive points of the body(like your brain.) Essientially ephedrine is the base material for cyrstal meth...enough yohimbe and ephedrine will give you near "meth" sides.

Posted by: NJFASHiONiSTA

i bought some vasopro last week and today im going to buy caffeine by prolab(200mgs) im 23f 5'2 104 lbs am i taking the same dosage as every1 else which is 1 vasopro pill with 1 caffeine pill? or should i be taking halves? any advice would be greatly appreciated thank you!

Posted by: Vise

the first question to ask is how is your body responding to the ec now (any adverse side effects)? if you are doing fine with the dose (i.e. feel no ill effects), take the ec twice a day for 2 weeks and up it to three on the last two weeks. be careful some people can't handle (or sleep) taking three a day.
however, if the dosage is a bit strong (which i would expect at 104 lbs) havle the dosage (12.5mg e and 100mg c) and take it twice daily. on your third week up your dose two two full servings a day.
after a month take a week or two off from the ec. you can do another cycle if you want, kicking it back up to two full dosings a day for another month. i wouldn't do longer than a nine week cycle if i were you. be careful, have fun, and don't let your heart explode

Posted by: NJFASHiONiSTA

thank you for responding i didnt start the ec stack yet im waiting for my caffeine i ordered it from bulk it should be here in a couple of days i will start off at 2x a day reg. dosage(1 of vas and 1 of caff.) if i feel off the wall that should be normal in a way so how will i know if its to much where i should cut back to half???

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Originally Posted by Vise

the first question to ask is how is your body responding to the ec now (any adverse side effects)? if you are doing fine with the dose (i.e. feel no ill effects), take the ec twice a day for 2 weeks and up it to three on the last two weeks. be careful some people can't handle (or sleep) taking three a day.
however, if the dosage is a bit strong (which i would expect at 104 lbs) havle the dosage (12.5mg e and 100mg c) and take it twice daily. on your third week up your dose two two full servings a day.
after a month take a week or two off from the ec. you can do another cycle if you want, kicking it back up to two full dosings a day for another month. i wouldn't do longer than a nine week cycle if i were you. be careful, have fun, and don't let your heart explode

Posted by: Vise

your resting heart rate and blood pressure are the best indicators. measure it after sitting down for a while relaxing before you star your ec. if there is a dramatic increase under the same conditions (but with the addition of ec) it means you need to cut the dose. also, you must realize the difference between extra energy from cns stimulation and adverse reactions. the latter should be on the frightening side so you will definately notice it. as long as you ease your way into it you should do just fine.

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