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Twin Peak's Gettin' It On

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Posted by: Twin Peak

Well, its time and long overdue for a new journal.

Its been a long time since I have journalled here. But alas, I think I'll have at it once again. Mostly, what has keep me from journalling is my lack of defined goals. I have sort of been coasting along, with no real short term plan, which is what makes a journal interesting to begin with. So here I will set some goals, aside from continuing my recovery process.

Short Term Goal -- Drop 4-5 pounds of fat, and one inch on my waist, while adding a few pounds of muscle between now and July 2, when I leave for vacation.

Goal BW = 206-210
Goal Stomach = 36"
Goal BF% = 10%
Medium Term Goal -- Upon return from Vacation and about 10 days off from training, I will perform an abbreviated version of Phase III of TP-PT, to reacclimate from the rest, and then I will begin a six week Arm Enhance program (something I have been thinking up for some time now).

Goal BW = 210-215
Goal Stomach = 36"
Goal BF% = 10%
Arm = increase of 1 inch, or increase to about 18 1/2 inches.
This will lead me to just before the Olympia, and I will want to spend a few weeks cutting to drop to around 8% or so.

Long Term Goal

Post-Olympia, do some serious bulking, and finish up by the end of January at:

Goal BW = 220-230
Goal Stomach = 37"
Goal BF% = 10-13%
Goal Arm = 19+ inches.
Then I will select a contest to compete in for the end of Spring, early Summer. This journal will at least go throgh my short term goal, beyond that, well, we will see.

Current Stats

BW = 205-210
Stomach = tad under 37"
BF% = 12%ish
Arm = 17 1/2 inches.
Calipers:

Stomach: 18 mm
Leg: 12 mm
Chest: 12
Current Diet

Modified Carb Cycle

Current Training

Extended Phase I of TP-PT

Current Supplements

H.E.A.T. Stack
SesaThin
LeptiGen MASS and/or Rebirth
BSL Whey Protein Concentrate (a truck-load)
GO, NitroJet, and/or ICE pre and during workouts
Fish Oil
Multi
MSM, Glucosamine, Chondrotin
From time to time:

Milk Thistle, NAC, ALCAR, Leucine, Arginine, Caffiene, Yohimbine, spiked Ab-Solved, LipoDerm ODB

Background: For those that don't know my history, at the end of July 03 I had reached my largest and strongest ever. Then I completely snapped a tendon in my rotator cuff benching 435 (at a BW of 215). I had surgery, and have been recovering since. I am just about back to where I was, size-wise, though I cannot go heavy on chest and shoulder exercises, and I still feel the cuff from time to time. However, I am mostly back, so long as I stay away from certain exercises.

My most recent pictures are from December and can be found here:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=52&t=7145&hl=pic&

Prior to injury pictures can be found here:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=6&t=4402&hl=pic&

All questions, comments, and input is welcome

Posted by: Prince

no PH's?

Posted by: Saturday Fever

How tall are you, if I may ask.

Posted by: Var

Good luck, TP! Looking forward to following along!

Posted by: Jodi

Bout time!

You spiking absolved with cap?

Posted by: atherjen

OOooooOOOoo LA laaa

BEst of luck with you goals TP! your a wise man! I know you'll reach them

Posted by: shortstuff

TP I had no idea you were so young! You can hardly tell a difference post and pre injury Congrats!! And good luck!!!

Posted by: zenreich6005

good luck. im gonna follow this one..

Posted by: PreMier

Quote:

Originally Posted by atherjen

OOooooOOOoo LA laaa

What the hell.. TP eats magic mushrooms? LMAO

Good luck TP. Going for the big gunz eh?

Posted by: Monolith

Welcome back, TP.

Posted by: P-funk

Cool!! Good luck TP.

Which gym do you lift at again? (If you don't mind me asking.)

Posted by: Twin Peak

Thanks all, for the support.

Let's see if I can answer some questions.

Prince, I posted this recently at Avant:

Quote:

Regarding PH/PS use, I think I am going to quit using it for now. This may or may not be permanent. Why? It sort of just hit me, but I have used plenty over the past 1 1/2 years, and there I have several thoughts:

* I can honestly say that I am not sure that in all this time I am not sure I have any more muscle now, than I would without it.

* I cannot attribute any (appreciable) strength gains to it.

* They do nothing for me in terms of nutrient partitioning. They do not help me lose fat, they do not help prevent gaining fat when bulking.

* Then there is the ever present concern in the back of your mind regarding long term effects of hormone fluctuations, etc.

* Lastly, I have really nailed down training, nutrient timing and supplementation to a tee, and I believe I can (relatively) easily achieve my goals even if PH/PS use would increase total LBM.

So for now, and indefinitely, I am PH/PS free.

I have been off since March.

I am a tad over 5'10", and am 31. Training off and on for 13 years. I have never lifted more than 2 years straight without a significant layoff. First competition was in 1996, and last in 1998 (there were only two).

I am a endo at heart, being fat my whole life and always battling the buldge. Prior to getting bit by the lifting bug, I had a 50" waist.

And its been a long time since I had magic mushrooms.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Bout time!

You spiking absolved with cap?

No, DHEA and 6-oxo.

Posted by: tucker01

bout freakin time

No I am not a stalker, but conicidently I just browsed through a few of your previous journals the other week, after comments in Premiers journals. It was cool seeing the Carb Cycling idea originating back then.

Good luck will be following.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I haven't done it in a while, but its amusing looking back on some of those old threads/journals.

Carb Cycling was derived then, I had used it twice before for my contests, but that was the first time I had discussed it on line.

I recall a few people, in particular Fitgirl, following the diet with great success. It has evolved since then, obviously.

I find it funny how common the term Carb Cycling is thrown around (for example, that dude posting his "article" in that other thread today) when, previous to my articles, a was a phrase you could not find on the net.

Posted by: tucker01

That is quite the Supplement Regime there. But one question I don't see Celltech?

Posted by: Jodi

Why DHEA if its already made up of it?

Posted by: aggies1ut

How's the BSL Whey concentrate taste? Have you tried the fruit tropical or orange cream? I have the L/C whey in chocolate and just ordered some of the concentrate in vanilla.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I like the BSL whey proteins. Taste-wise they are not quite as good as Nectar, but you can't beet the price.

I like the orange cream a lot, as well as the apple. I have some fruittropical, but haven't tried it yet.

Um, Jodi, Ab-Solved does not have DHEA.

Sorry, I forgot to list the Cell-Tech.

Posted by: ncgirl21

Good Luck!!

Posted by: tucker01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

No, DHEA and 6-oxo.

Sorry to whore up your journal.

But what is cap? and why DHEA, isn't 7-oxo a metabolite of DHEA?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Sorry to whore up your journal.

But what is cap? and why DHEA, isn't 7-oxo a metabolite of DHEA?

Feel free, that's sort of the point, as long as it stays "on-topic" relatively speaking.

Capsaicin:

http://www.avantlabs.com/page.php?pageID=175&issueID=16

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=2&t=6647&hl=cap&

DHEA and 7-oxo-DHEA are very different compounds. As to why:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=1&t=1771&hl=dhea&

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=12&t=2782&hl=dhea&

There are other threads as well.

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I like the BSL whey proteins. Taste-wise they are not quite as good as Nectar, but you can't beet the price.

I like the orange cream a lot, as well as the apple. I have some fruittropical, but haven't tried it yet.

Um, Jodi, Ab-Solved does not have DHEA.

Sorry, I forgot to list the Cell-Tech.

Is 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA different?

For BSL flavors I have are all yummy

I like orange cream and tropical

**Edit:** Just noticed above post when I finished reading

Posted by: Monolith

Have you ever tried oral DHEA, TP?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

Have you ever tried oral DHEA, TP?

No. And I never will, too high of a conversion to estrogen, if I recall.

Yes Jodi, they are completely different.

Thursday -- Update

Today was shoulders and hams (I flip flopped rear delts and hams), and despite being very low calories yesterday, it was a very good workout. Bear in mind my shoulder issues, it went something like this:

Lateral Raises

30 x 12
30 x 12, 20 x 6
30 x 10

Hammer Strength Presses

2 plates per side x 10
2 plates + 10 per side x 10
2 plates + 10 per side x 10

Seated DB Presses

50s x 12
55s x 12 --> front raises 30 x 4
60s x 12 --> front raises 30 x 4

*Mind you, the best I have done previously, post surgery was 50 x 10, so this was very encouraging.

Then I did Leg Curls and SLDLs, 3 sets each, and a bunch of cuff work.

Diet was tight yesterday, as it has been today, and I am friggin' starving. Ah well.

Posted by: Monolith

You make those 60sx12 look too easy.

What were you doing pre-injury?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Actually, it was easy, which is why I was pleased.

Pre-injury, I mostly did barbell presses. If memory serves, I was getting 275 for 4 or 5 reps.

If I did DBs, it was likely in the 90-100 range -- too difficult to get anything heavier into position.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

275 on military? Fuck. I don't do military pressing so I don't know what I'm capable of, but I've seen guys struggle with half that who looked like monsters. That's impressive as hell.

Do you do any shoulder horn work or band work on your shoulder before workouts or as a part of your GPP? I tore my rotator cuff completely when I was 18. I still do shoulder prehab work and it's proven invaluable.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I am done with the bands now, and I do cuff work (cables) after shoulders and chest days.

Its not a fun injury is it?

The week after surgery I was in more pain (and constant pain) then I ever have been in my life.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

It's almost enough to make you gunshy forever. I thank my stars everyday that I made myself get back into things.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Well, I was a bit wiped this morning, with a slight headache. And, none of my workout partners showed. As a result, I trudged through bis and actually had a very good workout, and then did a lame few sets for tris. I'll hit tris again on Monday after chest, as a result.

Barbell Curls

155 x 7 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 5
155 x 5 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 6
135 x 8

Seated DB Curls

55 x 8 --drop set with 30 DBs--> 5
55 x 5 --drop set with 30 DBs--> 6

Plate-load Preacher Machine

115 x 6
115 x 5

One arm Cable Hammer Curls

70 x 8 --drop set--> 40 x 8
60 x 10 --drop set--> 40 x 1070 x 8 --drop set--> 40 x 8

Diet was tight all day yesterday, it was a low carb day. Except I overate at dinner last night.

Today is a High Carb day, and well, on the weekend, all bets are off.

P.S. I love this new posting format which functions like word.

Posted by: PreMier

Wow, those are some serious BB curls.

What do you mean like word? MS word? Does it keep the font while pasting or what?

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Wow, those are some serious BB curls.

What do you mean like word? MS word? Does it keep the font while pasting or what?

All the format tools and buttons you can use in MS word are available under the reply function now. The shortcuts, too. You can just hit ctrl-b for example and your text will be bold. Way easier than typing the bracketed code for bold every time.

Posted by: PreMier

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

Oh, ok. I hardly use MS word, so I dont really care I suppose. I dont mind typing in tags.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Diet was tight all day yesterday, it was a low carb day. Except I overate at dinner last night.

Hola.

Did you indulge in another $1500 dinner?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Nope, this was home cooked.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Its Sunday night and time for a brief update. I had a pretty low calorie weekend, and I'll check measurements tomorrow in the am, but I just slammed some of BSL's nighttime protein blend with a bunch of natural peanut butter, and that was the kick off to a very high calorie week.

I am going to keep it a clean high calorie week (such as a bunch of High Carb days) but I am sure some red wine and other goodies will end up sneaking in. Anyway, let's hope to boost strength and build some muscle this week, I think my body is ready for it.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Stomach: 18 mm
Leg: 12 mm
Chest: 12

Thats like me EXCEPT the stomach reading

Posted by: Twin Peak

MONDAY 6/7

So higher calories it is (two bagels and a half muffin later,,,,)

Today was chest (and tris since I skimped out last week). I was strong today on chest, so that is good. I will omit drop sets but will put an asterisk if I did one.

Low-pulley crossovers

80 x 12
100 x 6, 60 x 8
100 x 6, 60 x 6
High-pulley crossovers

120 x 12
120 x 10
Hammer Strength Incline Presses (weight indicates per side)

3 plates x 6
3 plates x 10, 2p x 6
3 plates + 10 x 5
Bench Press*

245 x 15
265 x 6, 1/2 reps x 4
225 x 14
*These are not to failure, and I normally don't recommend light weights and high reps, but I am still recovering and can't go any heavier.

NOTES: A few weeks back I was feeling exceptionally large, and lately, exceptionally small. While I fully recognize that this is probably my mind fucking with me, I look less vascular, and my arms measured 1/4 inch smaller today. It might be that I am flat, or that I remain fuller when doing my Volume Phase as opposed to Intensity.

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

So higher calories it is (two bagels and a half muffin later,,,,)

That's it? Amateur

Posted by: Twin Peak

1) Its only 11 am.

2) I said only last night I was going to keep it clean.

Posted by: Jodi

I know that but what,

Half a muffin?

Posted by: Monolith

You benched my max 15 times

Posted by: Twin Peak

Sorry. I'll do better.

Posted by: Prince

TP how is the shoulder?

by the looks of those bp numbers I guess it is doing well?

Posted by: naturaltan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

You benched my max 15 times

me too

Posted by: Prince

well, endomorphs are known for their strength!

Posted by: Monolith

Not this endo.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

TP how is the shoulder?

by the looks of those bp numbers I guess it is doing well?

About as well as can be expected. I am finally doing full ROM on the bench. But previous to the injury I would keep reps in the 4-9 range, the higher reps reflect the fact that I don't want to go too heavy. In fact, the lower reps on the 265 was because I did not have a spot today, and it didn't feel 100%.

The 225 and 245 felt great though.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

well, endomorphs are known for their strength!

True. At 18 I was maxing out at over 300 with only 4 months of training under my belt. And I didn't have a clue and was benching every other day.

Posted by: Jodi

I think that's the reason for some of my strength too. I'd rather not be as strong and have a faster metabolism though.

Posted by: tucker01

Damn, I must of missed out on that train, I am fat and a sissy

Posted by: Twin Peak

Okay, quick update. I have been working more than I like, and this has affected my eating and my sleep. So I have been tired (and slacking a tad) at the gym.

I have also been eating a ton, and except for one or two cheat meals, I have been living off of whey, steel cut oatmeal, fiber one, and 1% milk. Sad, really. Almost as bad as Novo. Well, not quite, that is truly pathetic. So I am waiting for Jodi to send me a box of those homemade oatmeal cookies; hasn't happened yet.

Anyway this is right on track with my I-am-sick-of-dieting-and-need-some-time-stuffing-my-fat-face-on-a-regular-basis-and-pretend-that-it-is-a-minibulk diet.

So far I STILL freaking look flat and small (weird, damn head games), and I have a little bloat but no noticeable fat gains.

Well, Saturday I go back to cycling carbs and calories and trying to drop a few.

As far as workouts, yesterday was back and I was drained. I cut it short. Though the sets I did do, strength was up (again) from last week. For example, 250 on the pulldowns, 90 lb DB rows, etc.

Today was legs, and donchaknowit, but I hate legs. So while I had more energy than yesterday, it was just....eh.

And, well, that's about all.

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Anyway this is right on track with my I-am-sick-of-dieting-and-need-some-time-stuffing-my-fat-face-on-a-regular-basis-and-pretend-that-it-is-a-minibulk diet.

Best. Diet. Ever.

Just dont do it for 4 months like i did last summer.

And wtf. Two weeks ago i did a 95lb DB row for 10 reps. WTF am i doing wrong? Im obviously screwing something up if youre only using 90's, and youre using waaaay more weight on your other back exercises.

This is correct form, right? --

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

So I am waiting for Jodi to send me a box of those homemade oatmeal cookies; hasn't happened yet.

All you had to do was ask

By the time they get there they might be stale though

Posted by: Novo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I have also been eating a ton, and except for one or two cheat meals, I have been living off of whey, steel cut oatmeal, fiber one, and 1% milk. Sad, really. Almost as bad as Novo. Well, not quite, that is truly pathetic.

Anyway this is right on track with my I-am-sick-of-dieting-and-need-some-time-stuffing-my-fat-face-on-a-regular-basis-and-pretend-that-it-is-a-minibulk diet.

Pathetic? Maybe you need to explain to me just how my diet contravenes YOUR carb cycling guidelines. Yup, I eat whey almost exclusively, with oats on a carb day. Whey is an acceptable lean protein source, you said so. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, sarcastic-boy.

What I don't understand however is why you are eating like me when not dieting - this constitutes stuffing-my-fat-face time and you're choosing whey and fiber one rather than good stuff?? Now, that, I contend, really is pathetic.

I wonder which one of these smilies that you like so much would be most appropriate at this point ...

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo

Apparently, there is no difference between saying something is pathetic versus problematic on the other side of the world, eh?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

Best. Diet. Ever.

Just dont do it for 4 months like i did last summer.

No, you are doing them correct. Holding a heavy dumbbell or barbell in a hanging position is still one of the things that irritates my shoulder, and strains the tendons in the cuff.

So while I was rowing 150s before the injury, I am still working my way up. Its also why I haven't shrugged or deadlifted more than 225.

Posted by: Twin Peak

UPDATE

Today was shoulders and my shoulder was a tad cranky today so I reduced volume and didn't go quite as heavy as last week. F-in annoying.

Also, I am still a bit letharigic, and am still drained in the gym. No accounting for this, except perhaps I am a tad overtrained (given that I am in week 4 of 7 of an Intensity Phase, have been working double shifts, am only sleeping 5-6 hours, etc.). I say this because my joints have been hollering at me lately. Time to get back on the glucosamin/chondrotin/MSM. As a result I am pondering a bunch of higher rep "pump" type workouts next week while I return to diet mode -- three weeks til beach time.

Interestingly enough (to me at least, I am sure the rest of you could give a rat's ass), my weight has maintained, and my stomach has increased 1/2 to 3/4 inch. I assume its merely bloat due to all the fibre. I am curious as to how this shakes out after two or three low calorie days -- I hope I am not losing muscle, which is a posibility given how I look. Can't account for why that may be though.

On a side note, damn the Yankees are good.

Posted by: tucker01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

On a side note, damn the Yankees are good.

Red Sox

Posted by: X Ring

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Red Sox

I will second that

How about NOMAA

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Red Sox

Here we go again

RED SOX!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Red Sox

That about sums it up. Yankee fans are yuppies, it takes a real man to keep faith in a team that hasnt won a series in 86 years.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Get out of my journal.

All ya all.

Actually, stay, its fun to laugh at you.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

UPDATE
Today was shoulders and my shoulder was a tad cranky today so I reduced volume and didn't go quite as heavy as last week. F-in annoying.

do you fear reinjury?

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Get out of my journal.

All ya all.

Actually, stay, its fun to laugh at you.

Do you fear reinjury?

Posted by: Twin Peak

What's that question have to do with what you quoted? Are you threatening me?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

do you fear reinjury?

Yes, and no. I do, because, simply -- it was the most painful experience of my life, and it has taken me nearly a year to get back to the physique a had pre-injury.

But it hasn't really made me gunshy (obviously, given the bench press weights). That said, I do wonder if I may be doing harm going heavy.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Keep up on the prehab work (bands and shoulder horn, etc) and you'll be fine. I know the fear well, and I live religiously by my prehab work.

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

That about sums it up. Yankee fans are yuppies, it takes a real man to keep faith in a team that hasnt won a series in 86 years.

So sad

But true.........That's what makes us better fans too, we kept having faith in our team.

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

What's that question have to do with what you quoted? Are you threatening me?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Go for it, homey.

Posted by: PreMier

HAHAHA!!!

Posted by: X Ring

i love it I really love it, there isnt a single thing on this earth better than a good ole red sox /yankee's game

Posted by: PreMier

I hate baseball. Will never watch it.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Arms today. And it was a quality workout. Aside from the fact that I am finally filling out from all the carbs this week, strength was very good.

Here is last weeks arm workout, by comparison:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Barbell Curls

155 x 7 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 5
155 x 5 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 6
135 x 8

Seated DB Curls

55 x 8 --drop set with 30 DBs--> 5
55 x 5 --drop set with 30 DBs--> 6

Plate-load Preacher Machine

115 x 6
115 x 5

One arm Cable Hammer Curls

70 x 8 --drop set--> 40 x 8
60 x 10 --drop set--> 40 x 1070 x 8 --drop set--> 40 x 8

Seated DB Curls

55 x 10 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 5
65 x 5 --drop set with 35 DBs--> 5

Barbell Curls

160 x 5
155 x 5

Plate-load Preacher Machine

115 x 8
105 x 10 ----> 50 x 10

One arm Cable Hammer Curls

60 x 8, 10, 8

***So strength is up nicely in just a week. For tris, strength was good. I don't have my book to detail it, but my shoulder allowed me to do one arm overhead extensions with 40 lb dumbbells, which was nice.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

So sad

But true.........That's what makes us better fans too, we kept having faith in our team.

A lot of people "believe" that Red Sox fans enjoy being misserable. If they actually had won a world series, what would they talk about?

I was a Boggs fan for a long time...

Posted by: Jodi

Shit 40lbs on 1 arm. I think I only do 50 with both arms

Posted by: Monolith

65lb seated curl

And Mudge... yeah, the Sox really cant ever win. Boston would implode. Letting the Red Sox win a world series would be worse than giving Al Qaida 1st class tickets to Washington DC.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Lookit those numbers for arms.

Makes me embarrassed to post mine.

Posted by: Jodi

Knock Knock

Any updates?

Posted by: Monolith

I think Pedro got to him.

Posted by: tucker01

Damn Pedro! always takin' on older, crippled peeps

Posted by: Twin Peak

Fuck ya's all.

I have been super busy, fighting a nasty cold, and generally unhappy with my progress, or lack thereof. There's your update.

Actually, yesterdays chest workout was pretty good, but I generally look like shit lately, and as Novo pointed out, I am "on holiday" soon. I can't really account for why, as I have been eating carbs, so I shouldn't look flat. And I guess the red wine is catching up to my spare tire.

Life goes on.

I slept in today. Not because I wasn't well enough to lift, but because I felt my body needed the sleep, as I am fighting a cold and chest congestion.

Diet has gone to hell. It consists of tea, soup, fruit, orange and grapefruit juice. Oh well.

Posted by: Jodi

I'm sorry to hear you are not feeling well

I hope you feel better soon.

Posted by: Monolith

Im gonna be emailing you some pics in the next few days thatll improve your mood.

If you ever think you look like shit, you can just look at these, and say "well at least i dont look like that."

Posted by: topolo

TP...you look great! I dont see any flaws at all.........and believe me I was looking so I could give you a hard time.

Congrats on your comeback!

Posted by: axgar

Hey TP! Hope you recover quickly. Nothing like dragging a cold into vacation so rest up. Also nice to see you are working along with your TP-PT living experiments!

Best of Luck and Health!

Posted by: PreMier

Damn, im sick too. Sucks big time. Do you think that working out will inhibit your recovery time?

Posted by: Pepper

When I am sick, I love just laying in the sauna.

Posted by: NOZZLEHEAD

TP - What was your dosage of 6-OXO?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by axgar

Hey TP! Hope you recover quickly. Nothing like dragging a cold into vacation so rest up. Also nice to see you are working along with your TP-PT living experiments!

Best of Luck and Health!

Course, this is my second round through, altered of course.

And thanks for all the well wishes. I still feel like ass, but on the bright side I have been eating like shit and dropped a few pounds. Probably muscle too, but that will come back quickly. Then again, so will the fat. My fat cells are greedy fuckers.

I missed legs today as well, but I will get my ass to the gym tomorrow irregardless.

BTW, what the hell does irregardless mean anyway? I mean, what is different than plan ole' regardless?

As to the 6-oxo question -- when? I have used it all all sorts of doses (100 -700) and for all different lengths of time (few days to many weeks).

Posted by: PreMier

Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Posted by: Novo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I still feel like ass, but on the bright side I have been eating like shit and dropped a few pounds. Probably muscle too, but that will come back quickly

Phew, good to hear ... that means I can stop worrying about you getting in bikini shape in time for the holiday, right?

Posted by: Jodi

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My fat cells are greedy fuckers.

Come on dammit and get better..........I have noone to bitch to about dieting everyday

Posted by: Twin Peak

LOL. I had a feeling I'd get a variety of responses to that post.

Jodi, if it makes you feel any better, I am freakin' starving today.

Oh, I trained shoulders this am and I did a different workout than I have been. Dropped intensity down some and did barbell military presses for the first time. I worked up to plates, which felt good. The tendons were damn tight though.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Good arm workout this morning, although it was an instinctual one, and not planned.

Diet has been good, and weight is down -- looked leaner today. Also, I have really cut out all supplements since being sick, so I am "clensed." H.E.A.T. Stack and SesaThin have been added back in -- hey, only two weeks until vacation.

Posted by: Jodi

Feeling any better?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yeah, mostly. Not 100%.

Posted by: Jodi

At least your back in the gym. That's a good sign.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Brief update, for those of you still following, as I am heading out to play in a charity golf outing....

Reletively good diet this weekend, and today I was looking lean. Clocked in at 204.5, as well.

Training chest today, and the workout was good, but strength was down. Not too concerned about this, however, as I mixed it up a bit, as I have been doing since my cold. Guess I was getting burnt out, logging all the details in the book, so this freestyle suits me right now.

Less than two weeks until holiday.

Posted by: Jodi

Tough day at work eh?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yep. It was windy.

Posted by: Novo

I think I speak for us all in sending deepest, deepest condolences on the fact that you had to put up with such hardship on your golf jolly (does 'jolly' translate into Americano in this context?). Honestly, my heart bleeds ... just think, everyone else was lucky enough to be at work.

Perhaps you should take a holiday to recover

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo

I think I speak for us all in sending deepest, deepest condolences on the fact that you had to put up with such hardship on your golf jolly (does 'jolly' translate into Americano in this context?). Honestly, my heart bleeds ... just think, everyone else was lucky enough to be at work.

Perhaps you should take a holiday to recover

Posted by: Twin Peak

Update:

Legs.

Posted by: Novo

Ah, nice. Always leave your audience wanting more, is that right?

Where are the details man, the inspiration for those following your progress and hoping to emulate? "Legs" This is all you give? Sheesh ...

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo

Ah, nice. Always leave your audience wanting more, is that right?

Where are the details man, the inspiration for those following your progress and hoping to emulate? "Legs" This is all you give? Sheesh ...

He's just keeping us in suspense.

Posted by: PreMier

Damn TP, you have quite the critic

I want to know what you did also.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Okay, I give. Chest is sore as hell. Back was a solid workout yesterday, though I changed things up a bit. Started with pull ups, then hammer strength rows, then some other crap. Was a good workout though.

Legs was pretty shitty today, with my heaviest squat being 315 for 6. One must keep in mind however, that I hadven't trained legs for two weeks (missed last week due to sickness).

Diet, well, its goes well for 12-18 hours, then I overeat, then diet again. Its been 3 steps forward, 2 back, but I am making slight progress. I'll take some caliper measurements one of these days.

Posted by: PreMier

Whats the leg routine look like? Squats and what else?

Posted by: Twin Peak

For the Intensity Phase I typically start with extensions (bad knees, so this is a good warm-up) then hit squats, then either one-leg leg presses or two (depending on whether I feel like loading up the rack). I'll usually finish with sled hack squats depending on the rest of the workout, then leg curls and stiff leg deadlifts.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Very brief update. I have been struggling through workouts the past few weeks, physically. (In the gym) I have lacked energy and motivation. I attribute this to slight burn-out coupled with long work hours and little sleep.

Anyway, my workouts have been shitty, and I am taking off for 7-10 days while on vacation. I expect to fight through the next 3 workouts and then come back reinvigorated. That's the plan at least.

Posted by: Monolith

Sounds like youre damn ready for a vacation. Have fun, buddy.

Where ya goin, anyway?

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Very brief update. I have been struggling through workouts the past few weeks, physically. (In the gym) I have lacked energy and motivation. I attribute this to slight burn-out coupled with long work hours and little sleep.

Anyway, my workouts have been shitty, and I am taking off for 7-10 days while on vacation. I expect to fight through the next 3 workouts and then come back reinvigorated. That's the plan at least.

It's been a while since you've taken time off if I recall. This may be just what you need

Posted by: Triple Threat

From the sounds of things, you're ready for a vacation right now. So what place are you gracing with your presence?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yeah, the vacation is much needed.

We rented a large beach house in the Outer Banks.

Posted by: Monolith

North Carolina?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yep.

Posted by: bludevil

The outer banks are nice. I try to go at least every other year. Very relaxing, with no hectic crowd to worry about.

Posted by: Jodi

TP, I just want to wish you a great time on your vacation

btw - Happy Birthday.

I'll be on vacation myself til Tuesday.

Posted by: PreMier

Happy birthday TP!!!

Posted by: Var

Happy b-day, TP!

Posted by: Monolith

Happy birthday.

What are you, 40 now?

Posted by: Novo

Mon, hush - he's sensitive about that apparently

I'll join this cheery bandwagon, Happy Birthday! Hope you're celebrating and not spending your special day in the office?

Posted by: Monolith

I think he's gonna be laying on a beach somewhere along the coast of north carolina for his special day.

He certainly wont be sprinting along the beach at his age.

Posted by: Novo

When's his ... hang on, I'll check. Ah, 3rd July. Well, while we are many hours ahead of you guys down here, you're right ... that's still a coupla days away. Get back in the office old man, get working, you're not the birthday princess just yet!

Posted by: Jodi

Hey, no picking on his age. TP and I are the same age. Well, he is 12 days older than me

Posted by: Novo

It was Mon that started it! (

no one likes a tittle tattle Novo)

I can't pick on his age (or yours Jodi, but those 12 days are important - you are younger!), I'm older than the pair of you

It's just ... sometimes ... so much fun to wind him up!

Posted by: Monolith

Ah, come on! I can't pick on his physique, his job, or his choice of vacation spots... ya gotta leave me with something.

...well, i could bring up the yankees again...

Posted by: aggies1ut

Hell lol, everyone in this forum has gotten younger and younger. I'm only going to be turning 24 at the end of July and I feel old in here.

Posted by: Monolith

When you find out the ages of some of the minds at avant, its enough to make a newborn feel old. :/

Posted by: aggies1ut

I hear that. I'm a forum member at Avant as well....Damn prodigies over there.

Posted by: PreMier

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo

It was Mon that started it! (

no one likes a tittle tattle Novo)

I can't pick on his age (or yours Jodi, but those 12 days are important - you are younger!), I'm older than the pair of you

It's just ... sometimes ... so much fun to wind him up!

Yup, I give him shit about the 12 days every now and then too.

Posted by: tucker01

Happy B-day TP, enjoy your vacation

Posted by: Twin Peak

Oh jeez, ya'll having fun?

As Novo pointed out, its still two days away. And I shall be spending my birthday in the car drving down to Virginia Beach (staying there overnight), so hopefully the boys will behave.

But thanks for the early wishes everyone (except Mono).

BTW, Mono, you want to talk about the Yankees now?

Posted by: Twin Peak

I am busy as hell, so here is a brief update. I started double dosing PhenoGen yesterday, in order to prevent fat gain -- we'll see how that pans out.

I had a shitty leg workout yesterday, but out of nowhere I had an awesome shoulder work out today. A gift from above? Anywho, I found a new hammer machine press that I was able to pile weight on, and my shoulder felt great.

Diet has been pretty good as well, and I am a tad leaner. Down to about 200 lbs, I have lost about an inch on my stomach, though it still looks terrible. My face looks leaner, however, I have definitely lost muscle over the past month. Which is annoying. I have theories why I might have, but I'll save that for another day.

Posted by: Jodi

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Originally Posted by Twin Peak

BTW, Mono, you want to talk about the Yankees now?

Talk to you in a few days. I'm off for my vaca. Enjoy your birthday and vacation.

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

BTW, Mono, you want to talk about the Yankees now?

You just wait... one of these decades i'll be the one who gets to gloat.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Enjoy your vacation, TP. And Happy Birthday, too, youngster.

Posted by: Monolith

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

I just got back from vacation, I haven't lifted in a week and a half, I have been eating like shit, cut me some slack!

Posted by: Monolith

Are you kidding me? Nearly every journal in this damn forum is for people who are cutting and eating boiled chicken every day. The least you can do is tell us what you ate.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Oh, you want a list? Or how about a typical day?

Well, obviously, it was crap and fast food when traveling. Did you know McD's had a new triple play burger?

A typical day looked like this:

8 am. Coffee, coffee, eggs, english muffin, bagel, slice of bacon (maybe a donut).

11 am. 3-4 Mudslides or pina coladas with rum.

12:30 3-4 Red Stripes and lunch (2 burgers, rolls, the works).

1:30 Exercise: wiffle ball and or lounging in the pool. During workout drinks usually consited of a few more red stripes.

3:30 nap.

5:00 pm frozen drinks again, while making dinner (this varied from barbequing, to pizza, to homemade pasta with all the meats, to KFC). Dinner was usually accompanied by red wine.

9 pm more exercise: played cards, drank frozen drinks, ate chips of all sorts (did you know they made dill pickle chips? Damn they were good).

11 pm. smoke a cigar in the hot tub, along with port wine

Posted by: Monolith

LOL, love that exercise. But ya know, i was doing pretty well reading this... mouth wasnt salivating, i hadnt started licking my monitor yet, and the peanut butter jar hadnt been violated... but then i saw this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

11 pm. smoke a cigar in the hot tub, along with port wine

That, my man, is fine livin'. All thats missing is some Brie or Stilton cheese.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Well, since I have a hot tub in my back yard, I'll have to add the cheese tonight.

Posted by: Fade

Hey TP. Whasappining

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Well, since I have a hot tub in my back yard, I'll have to add the cheese tonight.

For being such an enviable motherfucker, i think you should repay the rest of us with stealth shots of your wife.

Posted by: PreMier

Posted by: Twin Peak

Its true, I must confess, my life is good. And that is why I will keep those shots to myself.

Though, you are welcome to come in to town, and share a stoggie and some good port, but not my wife.

And if you just want to chill, and have a drink, make your way to Vegas in October.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fade

Hey TP. Whasappining

Doing well, chief, hows by you? When's the new baby coming?

Posted by: Novo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

11 pm. smoke a cigar in the hot tub, along with port wine

I knew there was a reason I liked you, you enjoy the finer things in life. Though, for reference, when you bring family Peak down here on vacation and I play Tour guide ... you can keep the cigar, and Mrs P and I will enjoy the cheese. Fair enough?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Oh, you want a list? Or how about a typical day?

11 am. 3-4 Mudslides or pina coladas with rum.

Now THAT sounds like a great vacation.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo

Deal.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainDeadlift

Now THAT sounds like a great vacation.

Indeed, it was.

Posted by: Fade

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Doing well, chief, hows by you? When's the new baby coming?

Mid August. Doing ok myself.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Arent the simplist things in life what make life so enjoyable

Posted by: Twin Peak

Speaking of updates <crickets chirping>, I have lost all/most of my vacation pudge. Last Thur and Fri I trained upper body (my lazy ass skipped legs).

But, I am here to say, TP is back in the saddle. Today began Phase III, Frequency, and it was a good workout. My strength was off a bit, but that is too be expected.

Today and Thursday (my other full body workout) will be High Carb days, and T, W, and F will be No Carb Days. The weekend, well, thats the weekend....

Posted by: Jodi

Quote:

But, I am here to say, TP is back in the saddle.

Glad to hear you got some motivation back

Posted by: Twin Peak

Thanks. Legs are a tad sore today (not suprising since they were trained at all in 2+ weeks). Yesterday I overdid it a bit with the food; guess my willpower isn't made of iron these days. However, I did overdose on SesaThin, and I actually looked leaner today. Not bad after pounding 2 egg rolls, chicken with garlic sauce (hey I did have brown rice) and hot and sour soup.

I will be having a VERY low calorie day today, then a Low Carb Day tomorrow (when I will train calves and traps), and then a High Carb Day on Thursday (full body workout B).

Posted by: Monolith

Hey, that reminds me... did you take the phenogen throughout your vaca? How were the results? Did you keep more fat off than on past vacations?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Check out the following thread. Feel free to ask any questions here.

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f...2&hl=phenogen&

Posted by: Monolith

Weird. Good excuse to eat garbage all weekend, though.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Its not that weird, given how compounds typically affect (or, rather, don't) affect me.

At least you know I am not going to bullshit you, even with an Avant product.

Today I basically starved myself, for better or worse. I did have tons of H.E.A.T. Stack and LeptiGen Rebirth so it was pretty easy. Basically, I ate a can of tuna around 2 pm, then a tiny amount of oatmeal and whey and fiber one at 6 pm, then some calamari fra diovolo around 10 pm.

I only have a light workout tomorrow, so no biggy. And it should produce a nice state of depletion.

Posted by: Twin Peak

I went in today to train traps and calves and decided to add in back, since I didn't hit it that hard on Monday. Obviously, I will leave back out of my full bodyworkout tomorrow.

It was a good work-out. I was exceptionally strong on pulldowns, nailing 240 for 7 on my last set. And this was after an intense drop-set. I also did T-bar rows.

Calves I hit pretty hard, though it was my first time training traps in a month, so I took it easy.

Posted by: Monolith

So i take it you like HEAT?

From a few posts over at Avant, i was getting the impression that its only fun to take intranasally.

Posted by: Twin Peak

H.E.A.T. Stack does a good job of appetite suppression for me, but that is only if I mega-dose it. Other than that, I do not feel much from it (but what else is new). I do think it is marginally helpful for cutting for me (others believe it has had profound effects). But keep in mind the E/C never did anything for me. Neither has any other fatburner I have ever tried.

Posted by: Monolith

Weird again. Did you get any sides from the E/C? How high had you dosed it? Ever try clen?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Never tried clen. I have dosed E/C very high and I occasionally got some appetite supression as well as the jitters.

Its my body, it is immune to just about everything.

Posted by: Monolith

Your body may be immune to a lot of shit, but thats what makes it so goddamn interesting.

Have you found any kind of pattern to things that work for you vs. things that dont? Anything that seems to work exceptionally well for you that doesnt do it for most everyone else?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Nada.

Not thyroid meds, uncouplers, stimulants, androgens, nada.

Posted by: Monolith

How about party drugs? pot, coke, lsd, alcohol, etc?

Posted by: Jodi

I can't picture TP stoned

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

I can't picture TP stoned

lmao. Jodi, youll have to get pics of him when he's drunk/high in vegas this year. That way we can blackmail him for free sesathin.

Posted by: Twin Peak

No comment.

I will say that I have a higher than normal tolerance with respect to alcohol. Back in college, when I drank regularly, I would put down a case per night on average.

Now I can't do that of course, but my tolerance is still relatively high.

Posted by: Monolith

How about reaction to any injectible substances, be it a hormone or just medication? What about any transdermal stuff?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Transdermals, nada.

Never touched injectibles.

Posted by: Monolith

WTF.

Has anyone ever hypothesized why nothing seems to effect you?

Maybe youre the next step in human evolution or some shit. No external substances can screw with your bodily function...

I wonder if you could survive nuclear fallout?

Posted by: Twin Peak

Yeah, Loki did over at Avant. And it was pretty amusing.

I do get negative effects, such as headaches, lethargy, etc.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Quote:

Well, if I had to provide a 'diagnosis,' you seem to have--

-- Markedly subnormal levels of resting, natural SNS activity
-- A Naturally low 'P' ratio seemingly independent of your natural hormonal milieu
-- Naturally low insulin sensitivity/glucose tolerance
-- A Body that runs Unnaturally well in conditions where glucose is scarce --) glucagon levels are high/blood glucose levels aren't
-- A very curious operational metabolic relationship with your phospholipid membrane & dietary fat intake
-- A disarmingly good sense you style, you lady-killer, you... B)

I've just never met anybody else who fits this profile... :mellow: Ever.

That was Loki's specific comment, after offering up my body in the name of science.

The discussion can be found here:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=4&t=8522&hl=steve&

Personally, I at least agree with the last observation.

Posted by: Monolith

lmao. Maybe you should just bask in the glory of your genetics - eat a crapload of fatty foods and let women flock to you.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

lmao. Maybe you should just bask in the glory of your genetics - eat a crapload of fatty foods and let women flock to you.

That's what I do...

Posted by: Monolith

Your avatar makes that post golden.

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

I wonder if you could survive nuclear fallout?

TP is a cockroach....he will live forever.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Geez, now my superior biochemistry is getting me called a roach? Well, if it wasn't for my greedy fat cells, then yeah, I'd have excellent biochemistry.

Then again, thrifty genes are designed to thrive in famine situations, so if we were cavemen, my genes would be spectacular.

Ah well. Today was a full body workout, and a good one. I was quite strong (benched 245 for 14), which was nice, and had a good whole body pump.

I also ate lots of carbs today, which was also nice (Seafood Fra Diavolo with ziti for dinner, plus a grilled chicken ceasar salad, and some LeptiGen MASS).

Posted by: Novo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Then again, thrifty genes are designed to thrive in famine situations, so as I am a caveman, my genes are spectacular

Oh I see now! The pictures I have seen of you make so much more sense now, thanks for explaining. I wonder if everyone has seen the secret CAVEY shots hidden over at Avant ... how's about I attach a sample?

Posted by: Monolith

:o

Posted by: Twin Peak

Indeed.

Posted by: Jodi

Novo, you are priceless my dear

Posted by: carbchick

and what constitutes a caveman-megadose of HEAT?

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbchick

and what constitutes a caveman-megadose of HEAT?

A couple handfulls.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Four or five. Six didn't feel so good.

Posted by: carbchick

Strange. 6 felt OK to me. 12 raised my heartbeat a tad.

Posted by: Twin Peak

Are you serious?

Posted by: carbchick

mm well yeah I took 18 on Saturday (back to 3 x3 again now)

Posted by: Monolith

whoa.

you took 18 at once?

be ye man or beast?

Posted by: aggies1ut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

whoa.

you took 18 at once?

be ye man or beast?

Or be ye psycho?

Posted by: Monolith

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggies1ut

Or be ye psycho?

whatever turns ya on, hotstuff

Posted by: aggies1ut

Lol

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