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Posted by: teethmans

Im thinking of runing soom hcg in the middle of a 7 week course of 500mg sus and then some at the end before in order to stop my testicles from shrinking which happened last time i done an 8 week course of deca 400mg per week. Ive never injected it before and am unsure how you mix it and the kind of needle to use.Also which would be an appriopriate dose to take in the middle of my coures and at that end, how should i incorporate my PCT into the course?

Posted by: Mudge

It would be better to take it throughout to avoid problems in the first place.

Insulin pins would be best, because if you are using a 5000iu amp and only 1cc of bacteriostatic water, you are going to be shooting 1/10th of a cc at a time. If I am using a 1500iu amp then I put in 60 units of bac water (6/10 of a cc) and shoot 20 units at a time.

Mixing is easy, open the amp, shoot in the water. Any left overs I preload into other syringes and put in the fridge to avoid degredation.

500iu every 3-5 days or as needed.

Generally speaking you want to use it during the cycle, NOT after.

Posted by: teethmans

How often should i use it during the 7 week course to avoid my testicles shrinking? is there a chnce it can increase gyno if used too often?

Posted by: Mudge

You can do iat at the 3rd week or you can start right away, or you can wait until the problem starts - its up to you. If used in too high a dose it will desensatize the response to LH making testciular atrophy a serious problem, if you use it "too often" yes you can increase chances of gyno somewhat but obviously you are prepared for that.

Twice a week should be enough, every 4-5 days is what I do.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

for PCT can the HCG be used 500iu ED for 3 weeks? Is this effective?

Posted by: Pirate!

I am confused. I have the 1500 iu. should I just mix it all up and put it in three syringes, and keep the extra in the fridge? How long is it good mixed in the fridge?

Posted by: Pirate!

Now I just got a 5000 iu. Both are have 1 ml solution. How do I mix and dose. Help Mudge! No rush, really. I don't start for some time. But you must admit, I am trying to be as informed as possible. As I child, my dad always told me "Do it right the first time". This certainly applies to one's first cycle. Thanks for your patience and help everyone! I do need help with the HCG, though.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

for PCT can the HCG be used 500iu ED for 3 weeks? Is this effective?

HCG should not be used for PCT at all.

Posted by: Mudge

Yes it goes in the fridge, good for 4-6 weeks.

Draw it with a slin pin and do the math. If you have 5,000iu in 1cc of suspension, 1/10th of a cc is 500iu, thats 10 units on a slin pin, a very small amount. Tip the amp as you fill carefully, as the slin pins dont fit all the way in. When you break the amp open, you will see it is made to be tilted without losing the liquid, unless you flip it over completely of course.

Posted by: Pirate!

Do it IM? Delts, anywhere good?

Posted by: Mudge

If you want to do it IM you can do it anywhere you want.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Hey Mudge how long before PCT is it best to stop the HCG? Is 500iu for the last 10 days of the cycle effective?

Posted by: Mudge

Should be good, thats how some people do it, at the end. Some people believe 500 EOD is the most you should do, if you need to run it though past your last shot then SO BE IT, better nuts than no nuts.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Yeah I agree about the nutz thing. I am sure mousie does too...lol...I've got some time to kill before getting back on anyways. Doesn't hurt to improve on the game plan in the downtime

Posted by: Mudge

If you aren't cycling dont worry about it, supposedly you can't increase your nad size beyond pretty much where they should be.

In keeping your prostate healthy by ejaculating 25 times a month, you would be killing off all that HCG anyway.

Posted by: Pirate!

So, is it recommended to ejaculate 25 times a month while using HCG during a cycle?

Posted by: Mudge

It has to do with prostate health during any time, so its up to you. If your nads are shrunken then the last thing you want to do is have sex, HCG brings me say half a load back and if I 'spend' that I take a step backwards, I dont even break even.

On test I dont have a problem, once I started using deca/fina it became a huge problem.

Posted by: ZorroAzul

I can only guess how many people on this board will start counting the times they ejaculate a week and keeping a log now... LOL

Posted by: Pirate!

So, stay away from sex (or jacking-off) for your whole cycle if your nuts shrink?

Man, that sucks! How much is too much HCG? If I want to screw daily, should I do more HCG? I'm going flush that deca!

Posted by: Mudge

IF they shrink you are only going to make it worse, getting HCG will hopefully keep you FULL and it wont be an issue.

Right now its pretty much said that anything over 500iu EOD is too much, the longer you are on it, and the higher dose you use, you risk killing leydig cells which will end up making the problem WORSE.

If you dont have deca or fina in the cycle you are probably going to be OK, I did fine for a long time without it.

Posted by: ZorroAzul

Last (and only) cycle I only used HCG at the end of the cycle, right before PCT. My boys did not shrink when I was on gear, and a day or two after that first 3,000 IU shot.... Lets say that Peter North had nothing on me... LOL gotta love the stuff!!

now I am doing 500 IU on tuesdays and fridays even though I am on Eq & Sustanon. I do NOT want to risk shrinkage and/or a slow recovery.

Posted by: Pirate!

I was going to do 250 iu HCG twice a week with sus 250 twice a week for 10 weeks. No deca, eq, fina, etc. Oh yeah, I am going to throw in some d-bol for the first 4 weeks. This seems to be a conservate--but relatively safe--amount of HCG. Do you think it will be enough? Off the subject, should I spread the d-bol throughout the day and is 25 mg a day enough for a 160 lb. man? I got 50 mg. pills and don't want to cut them in quarters.

Posted by: Mudge

Probably fine.

25-30mg is what I take usualy when I run dbol, I am dieting down from 268.

Posted by: Absolute

Hey mudge I know you don't really agree to it, but I used the HCG for PCT (already had it) I took 1000iu a day for 10 days. It helped my nuts get back up to size very quick, it increased my libido as much as the test did too. Next time I plan to take it throught the cycle and hope for no nut shrinkage.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Absolute

Hey mudge I know you don't really agree to it, but I used the HCG for PCT (already had it) I took 1000iu a day for 10 days. It helped my nuts get back up to size very quick, it increased my libido as much as the test did too. Next time I plan to take it throught the cycle and hope for no nut shrinkage.

Wow, that is a lot!

Posted by: PreMier

Question..

If you use hCG by itself, will it prmomote testicular hypertrophy? You know make them grow.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by PreMier

Question..

If you use hCG by itself, will it prmomote testicular hypertrophy? You know make them grow.

Are you looking for apple sized boulders? Something you can throw on the table at a party and leave all in awe?

Posted by: PreMier

Maybe

Do you know the answer?

Posted by: Pirate!

Mudge is the pro. Look at post#15 on this thread for the answer.

Posted by: PreMier

Thanks

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Absolute

That is what its supposed to do, however it does all that artificially, where clomid/nolvadex are supposed to help get you back on your feet somewhat more naturally.

If your nuts are back and your LH/FSH levels are on the floor, what good is that?

Blood tests I've seen seem to say that FSH levels dont get hurt as much as LH, but LH can hit 0.00 very easily.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by PreMier

Maybe

Do you know the answer?

The answer is yes, if you shoot 5000 iu of HCG directly into each testicle with a 20 gauge they will immediately get larger--though I would not recommend this. Let me know how it works out for you.

Posted by: Absolute

Well I took it with 40mg of nolvadex a day. I think being younger helps too, from what i've read anyways. After the hcg I continued on 20mg a day of the nolvadex for 3 weeks. I have been reading alot of studies that suggest it 's not only important to take directly after your cycle but that your body actually takes monthns even in some caes to get back up to normal. I mean you may feel fine a few weeks later but it won't be up to full production and even as little as 10mg will help. Any thoughs?

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

The answer is yes, if you shoot 5000 iu of HCG directly into each testicle with a 20 gauge they will immediately get larger--though I would not recommend this. Let me know how it works out for you.

Did you try it PreMier? If it worked, send us some pics.

Posted by: PreMier

Nope. Im no fool..

Posted by: Pirate!

Glad to hear it.

Posted by: PreMier

Seriously though, I dont think my question was that outlandish. Somehow I just missed Mudge's post.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by PreMier

Seriously though, I dont think my question was that outlandish. Somehow I just missed Mudge's post.

I know. And it was irresponsible of me to post that. Some kid is going to come along, run a search and just catch that advise. Hopefully the poor sap will notice that I said I don't suggest doing it. But at the time it seemed really funny. Sleep deprivation, I suppose. Some people will try almost anything based on a strangers advise.

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