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Posted by: scottwong

Is there a possible way I can stop this.. it doesnt even look like I have pecks at all and ive been lifting since last december and i dont see any improvement. Ive been bencihng hard and it still looks the same. When I flex my pecks it kinda looks like I have big chest but i dont. this is embarrassing but i need to know, maybe i should loose weight?


Posted by: Var

Could be fat....could be gyno. Did it develop during puberty? Ever use steroids or prohormones? Might want to do a search on gyno and see if it sounds like your situation.


Posted by: Mudge

If your bodyfat is higher than 15% then I would say that is your answer.


Posted by: Subliminal

I don't know much about gyno but I've read up on some symptons. I thought I had it but everyone else sees nothing wrong and I dont feel anything different. I guess its just my nipple shape or something, no one sees it but me...


Posted by: Mudge

I have a puffy left nipple and have had it for years, however there is a difference between a puffy nipple and a female breast. I would not mistake my chest for a female breast, now if there is excess fat at the bottom of the chest then it would have to be a considerable amount to really look female breast like.


Posted by: scottwong

No i dont take steriods im to scared, im only 15.. ill check on that gyno thing later. thanks guys


Posted by: stencil

Since you're 15, I would say with 90% confidence that it's related to puberty. Probably a mixture of that with some extra bodyfat. Chill, wait a couple years, and keep your bodyfat low, and it should go away. If not, it's most likely gyno.


Posted by: scottwong

what theh eck is gyno i did a search and its not telling me stuff.


Posted by: scottwong

i am pretty big, i have more than 15% fat i know it.


Posted by: scottwong

omg i found what it looks like, yes thats what it kinda looks like -_- nooo. how much is surgery for it.. http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/proc...rgery_men.html


Posted by: animalmachine

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Originally Posted by scottwong
i am pretty big, i have more than 15% fat i know it.
I would say with 99% certainty that this is the problem. Check out the diet information on this board and develop a plan for yourself. Follow this and workout with INTENSITY for a few months. Get down below 15% and if you still have the problem, see a doc.


Posted by: scottwong

alright thanks man i will try!!!


Posted by: Mudge

Around 5 grand I hear, but most people can get it through insurance.


Posted by: CowPimp

If you cut some fat, then most likely they will diminish. You said you are pretty big, so my guess is that it's related to your body composition.


Posted by: scottwong

wow 5 grand is to much, okay i guess.. i wll try to loose weight.. does this mean i should stop lifting?


Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by scottwong
wow 5 grand is to much, okay i guess.. i wll try to loose weight.. does this mean i should stop lifting?
Certainly not. Weight training is the most effective way to lose weight in terms of training. You should check out the stickies in the diet & nutrition forum. There is a lot of good information on cutting.


Posted by: Mudge

Since muscle burns calories for free, why would you stop lifting in order to lose bodyfat when it does some of the work for you?


Posted by: FlexBoy

eh... I wouldn't stop lifting but definitely do lighter weight and more reps with each set (atleast 15 reps) this will tone your muscle while your burning fat from cardio. Otherwise with low reps alot of weight youll just get bulkier and look fatter. Since it's virtually impossible to gain a considerate amount of muscle and burn a considerate amount of fat at the same time. ( Oh and you must do cardio to lose a moderate amount of fat, dieting wont do it alone.) And geez man your 15 years old your not even fully grown, you do not need surgery, hell thats probably still your baby fat that you havent lost yet hehe just kidding...


Posted by: Var

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexBoy
eh... I wouldn't stop lifting but definitely do lighter weight and more reps with each set (atleast 15 reps) this will tone your muscle while your burning fat from cardio. Otherwise with low reps alot of weight youll just get bulkier and look fatter. Since it's virtually impossible to gain a considerate amount of muscle and burn a considerate amount of fat at the same time. ( Oh and you must do cardio to lose a moderate amount of fat, dieting wont do it alone.) And geez man your 15 years old your not even fully grown, you do not need surgery, hell thats probably still your baby fat that you havent lost yet hehe just kidding...
This high reps for "toning" and low reps for "bulk" is a fallacy. Varied rep ranges should be used to keep mother nature off balance, so you'll continue to make gains.

One thing I do agree with is that its probably just fat or some mild gyno from puberty. Give it time, keep lifting, and eat a healthy diet. You'll be fine


Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexBoy
eh... I wouldn't stop lifting but definitely do lighter weight and more reps with each set (atleast 15 reps) this will tone your muscle while your burning fat from cardio. Otherwise with low reps alot of weight youll just get bulkier and look fatter. Since it's virtually impossible to gain a considerate amount of muscle and burn a considerate amount of fat at the same time. ( Oh and you must do cardio to lose a moderate amount of fat, dieting wont do it alone.) And geez man your 15 years old your not even fully grown, you do not need surgery, hell thats probably still your baby fat that you havent lost yet hehe just kidding...
Wow, this is full of misinformation.

First of all, higher reps do not tone your muscles. Toning comes from lowering your body fat. Increasing muscle mass can also help to a certain degree. This is a very wide spread myth.

You will not get bulkier and fatter while doing low reps and high weight unless you are eating too much. If anything, adding that muscle mass is going to help you lose fat because your metabolism will be increasing. Not to mention that resistance training burns a lot of calories in and of itself.

Also, you do not need to do cardio to lose fat. You can do cardio to help you lose fat, but proper diet is all you need.


Posted by: Var

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
Wow, this is full of misinformation.

First of all, higher reps do not tone your muscles. Toning comes from lowering your body fat. Increasing muscle mass can also help to a certain degree. This is a very wide spread myth.

You will not get bulkier and fatter while doing low reps and high weight unless you are eating too much. If anything, adding that muscle mass is going to help you lose fat because your metabolism will be increasing. Not to mention that resistance training burns a lot of calories in and of itself.

Also, you do not need to do cardio to lose fat. You can do cardio to help you lose fat, but proper diet is all you need.



Posted by: scottwong

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
Wow, this is full of misinformation.

First of all, higher reps do not tone your muscles. Toning comes from lowering your body fat. Increasing muscle mass can also help to a certain degree. This is a very wide spread myth.

You will not get bulkier and fatter while doing low reps and high weight unless you are eating too much. If anything, adding that muscle mass is going to help you lose fat because your metabolism will be increasing. Not to mention that resistance training burns a lot of calories in and of itself.

Also, you do not need to do cardio to lose fat. You can do cardio to help you lose fat, but proper diet is all you need.
Okay so your saying, I should eat right, and do more reps and low weight? This will help prevent gyno or get the gyno away? ALso what is Nolva I hear people talk about.


Posted by: FlexBoy

Eh... well i guess this is where we beg to differ.... read this http://www.highnrg.com/ask_trainer/qanda.htm#8 and this is not the only source that supports this theory, and come on, as a 15 year old, I know I never had the discipline to keep a strict diet at such a young age while all your friends are eating Burger King and Pizza Hut, so I figure your going to cheat a bit, and that's where the cardio comes in, also cardio does much more than help you lose bodyfat. Running can also tone muscles (abs, quads, hams, glutes). So I def. do suggest some cardio...


Posted by: scottwong

Im confused, your write I tried a diet early but i couldnt do it.. im confused on what you sent me.. high reps dont get you bulk but low reps will? -_-


Posted by: Var

This is extremely misleading. Lets start here. There are Types I, IIa, IIb, and IIc muscle fiber. Its true that Type I muscle fibers are endurance (red, slow twitch, oxidative) and not as likely to get large. These fibers are developed through aerobic training. This does not, however, mean that you can "tone" the muscle by working this way. High reps will lead to better endurance, but "toning" is a fallacy. Dont believe everything you read.

I do agree that cardio may be useful for him, but diet is key.


Posted by: Var

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottwong
Im confused, your write I tried a diet early but i couldnt do it.. im confused on what you sent me.. high reps dont get you bulk but low reps will? -_-
Sorry Scott. You unknowingly got caught in a debate which is probably confusing the hell out of you.


Posted by: scottwong

Aight I just read that thing like 50 times heh.. sorry im retarded asian. So doing more reps but LIGHT weight will get you toned. so there for I should eat right.. im thinkin about going major vegatarion sadlad.. my friend jeremy did that for like 2 month and lost like 20 pounds but anyways.. Eat Right, Lower Weight but Higher Rep, and Cardio.


Posted by: Mudge

More reps keeps the heart rate going making it a substitute for cardio, you can get a similar effect from hard drop sets or simple circuit training.


Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexBoy
Eh... well i guess this is where we beg to differ.... read this http://www.highnrg.com/ask_trainer/qanda.htm#8 and this is not the only source that supports this theory, and come on, as a 15 year old, I know I never had the discipline to keep a strict diet at such a young age while all your friends are eating Burger King and Pizza Hut, so I figure your going to cheat a bit, and that's where the cardio comes in, also cardio does much more than help you lose bodyfat. Running can also tone muscles (abs, quads, hams, glutes). So I def. do suggest some cardio...
You can do whatever rep range you want and not gain muscle mass if you don't eat enough food. That's what power lifters who stick to a certain weight class do. I think it's nonsense.


Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottwong
Aight I just read that thing like 50 times heh.. sorry im retarded asian. So doing more reps but LIGHT weight will get you toned. so there for I should eat right.. im thinkin about going major vegatarion sadlad.. my friend jeremy did that for like 2 month and lost like 20 pounds but anyways.. Eat Right, Lower Weight but Higher Rep, and Cardio.
I suggest higher weight. Anything form 4-12 repititons. Change it up to prevent homeostasis. Trust me, you aren't going to get massive and bulky from weight training unless you do everything right for years. I have been weight training over a year, and I am not bulky at all. I wish I had more mass. You are going to look much better with that added weight, because it will be muscle and not fat.


Posted by: LAM

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottwong
So doing more reps but LIGHT weight will get you toned.
NO !


Posted by: Var

This turned into a "Johnnny thread" in a hurry, didnt it?


Posted by: FlexBoy

4 reps!? come on now how about 6-15 can we comprimise at that? lol yeah we are probably confusing the hell outta Scott here anyways, that salad idea is not too bad but WATCH THE SALAD DRESSING it will ruin you! Just be sure to watch your sugar intake also cuz sugar is bad for hundreds of reasons, lol i just thought id make this thread a little more confusing hehehe...


Posted by: SPIKE1257

Remind me to never to come to you guys with a question. He is 15 years old and everyone is throwing bull at him from every direction. What are the chances he knows what anyone is talking about ? My advise is to personal message one of the moderators, they seem to know what they are talking about


Posted by: Var

I already PM'd him with a very simple, accurate explanation. Thanks for setting us straight, bro.


Posted by: SPIKE1257

Someone Had To Step Up.


Posted by: Var

So what would your advice be?


Posted by: SPIKE1257

Discuss The Question One On One With Someone And Not Go Into An Open Forum, I Thought I Said That Already.


Posted by: Var

No...u never said that.


Posted by: bulletproof1

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Originally Posted by Var
I already PM'd him with a very simple, accurate explanation. Thanks for setting us straight, bro.



Posted by: JerseyDevil

I'm sure Var covered this in his PM, but my 2 cents....

Basically it boils down to this. At 15, your hormones are running rampant. It is not unusual at all to experience puberty induced gyno. MOST of the time it goes away as you get a little older. Some people, it does not. If you are overweight, then your chances of this being a lifelong problem are greatly magnified. My advice is to get together a decent diet plan. No you don't have to eat like a monk, but watch the overall calories and saturated fat.

Working out? It's not rocket science. The rep range isn't going to make or break your success. With compound movements like bench press, military, squat, barbell rows, deadlifts, etc use a rep range from 4-12. Alternate from workout to workout doing something like... 10-12 reps, 8-10 reps, 6-8 reps, and 4-6 reps. This will work all of the different muscle fibers, and keep your workouts fresh.

I agree at your age, and your goals, cardio is important. Do cardio 3-4 times a week, 20-30 minutes a session. If you get your diet in line, continue weight training, and perform cardio, you WILL drop bodyfat and I'm betting you will be very happy with the results.


Posted by: Var

Great post, Jersey!


Posted by: FlexBoy

Voila! Thank You Jersey Devil to putting and end to this thread madness!!!! haha


Posted by: PreMier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Var
This turned into a "Johnnny thread" in a hurry, didnt it?
This is why I didnt comment


Posted by: Var

I thought that might have been the reason. You're a faster learner than I am.


Posted by: nikegurl

I was hovering over the keyboard just itching to make a post suggesting we ban the word "tone" and "toning" from forum vocabulary. But I decided not to. kinda.


Posted by: Var

Agreed! I dont think we could ever enforce it though.


Posted by: universe

If your lower chest area is too much larger than your upper chest (just below collarbone, etc., it may make your chest seem droopy or whatever. If you start putting alot of time into your upper chest, along with increased cardio, you might see better results

Do pullovers, incline chest press, etc.


Posted by: universe

Scott, if your chest is like mine (I'm 17) then you may have a well developed lower chest area, but not so much in the upper area. You may also have trouble with body fat, which i did as well. Work on just your upperchest, e.g pullovers, incline chest press, etc, and do lots of cardio. Maybe take protein powder as well.


Posted by: PreMier

Quote:
Originally Posted by universe
If your lower chest area is too much larger than your upper chest (just below collarbone, etc., it may make your chest seem droopy or whatever. If you start putting alot of time into your upper chest, along with increased cardio, you might see better results

Do pullovers, incline chest press, etc.
Here we go Var! Upper chest!

Im leaving now.


Posted by: nikegurl




Posted by: Var

I was going to post something similar, but didnt want to bump the thread.


Posted by: nikegurl

ahhh good point about not bumpint the thread. oops. i won't do it again (after this one) - promise.


Posted by: rapking200399

well when i was 13 i was develping these thingss and one stoped and the other didn't it went on a lil more so in is bigger i was scared i thought i had cancer and it wasn't jus i was going threw puberty and well i am really taking care of this proble bye doning lost of push ups and lifting 11 lb wieghs in different way that my dad shows me and i have notice thatmy upper musles are gettin a line with my galnds so it apears like a normal chest i still have ways to go be fore i am 100% complete but what y guys said sound like very helpful info thanks alot but i hope these glands do disaper


Posted by: Deadly13

(Whats Your Opinon On My Advance Workout Program) Can I Get Some Opinons In that Thread


Posted by: kinein

Pictures!


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by scottwong
omg i found what it looks like, yes thats what it kinda looks like -_- nooo. how much is surgery for it.. http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/proc...rgery_men.html

That is funny Hope I never get that...
Don't get me wrong...not laughing at your situation, just the pictures in that link...


But as the other guys said, I think you're over reacting at your age.. I will surely go away. Its probably baby fat. You should burn that off within a few years.


Posted by: Lankster

Man that stuff that is left over from that gyno surgery looks reaaaaaal tasty

Oh and another thing is that I also remember this happening to me to around the same age im not fat or anything or have weird shaped nipples or pecks but there was a time when my nipples got all fat and developed like a hard core in the middle of them, then went away, im betting this is what you have.


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankster
Man that stuff that is left over from that gyno surgery looks reaaaaaal tasty
Looks like someone puked on his chest


Posted by: Randy

Damn look at this severe case of gyno




Posted by: juggernaut

I had titty fat that I burned up by staying in the 6-8 rep range, just hitting it hard. I dieted and lost lotta weight, but it wasnt until I found out what I was eating was all wrong. As soon as I changed my diet around, I saw major improvements in the way I looked. In bbing, diet is 70%.


Posted by: LAM

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggernaut
I had titty fat that I burned up by staying in the 6-8 rep range, just hitting it hard.
doesn't happen like that, reps and weights have no direct effect locally effecting lipolysis...you even stated yourself that you cleaned up your diet


Posted by: Mudge

Yep, muscles dont catabolize local tissue for energy.


Posted by: Randy

There's Mudge....whatup...

Did you earn any tickets in your camaro yet?


Posted by: Randy

I just found out from the guy that bought my camaro, that he just took it out to Sears Point and ran a 13 second quarter mile. This was done while still being a one legger.. He hasn't put the new posi in yet


Posted by: juggernaut

holy shit.


Posted by: Randy

I had no doubt it could be done...I had dropped a fresh stroker motor in it...385 cu...


Posted by: juggernaut

sorry, i didnt say it clearly. ie, I dont advocate high reps-never have. never will. What did work for me is cleaning up my diet. It was the type of foods I ate that hindered me from getting rid of the fat.


Posted by: Mudge

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
I had no doubt it could be done...I had dropped a fresh stroker motor in it...385 cu...
Ha, 240Z cars run one legger low 11s with stock LS1 engines in 'em


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudge
Ha, 240Z cars run one legger low 11s with stock LS1 engines in 'em
Yeah, but that is like comparing apples to oranges Mudge....
Don't you think there is a bit of weight difference?
Not to mention that you say stock LS1 engines... Those motors are built from the factory for performance. Not at full bore, but for a light weight car naturally it will perform well with that engine . But for a heavy ass 1968 camaro on a one legger it didn't do to badly.

It's funny you mention the 240Z. I've heard that story so many times. "Well I know of an XYZ that can blow the doors off of your time." We are talking about Camaros Mudge. Let's stay within the family and weight class


Posted by: Randy

I know of a dune buggy that can run low 10's with a stock V8. Does this say much


Posted by: Randy

Now we can talk about motorcycles with even less weight.... Now what can they do with stock motors down the quarter


Posted by: Randy

Here is the specs on an LS1 engine...
This gives the name stock a different meaning don't you think
Well anyway it is a performance engine all the same.
Stock doesn't mean much. You can have high performance motors straight from the factory and call them stock.

LS1
Type 5.7 liter V-8
Displacement Displacement 5.665 liters or 345.69 cubic inches
Horsepower 345 @ 5600 rpm
Torque (lb-ft) 350 @ 4400 rpm
Max. Engine Speed 6000 rpm
Fuel System Sequential Fuel Injection
Bore/Stroke 99.00/92.00mm (3.90/3.62 in.)
Firing Order 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Valve Config. Overhead Valves
Valve Lifters Hydraulic Roller (Rocker arm ratio 1.7:1)
Emissions Control Three-way catalyst, AIR, PCV
Engine Materials
Block Cast aluminum
Cylinder Head Cast aluminum
Intake Manifold Composite
Exhaust Manifold Insulated dual wall stainless steel
Main Bearing Caps Powered metal
Crankshaft Cast iron with undercut and rolled fillets
Camshaft Hollow steel
Connecting Rods Powered metal


Posted by: Luke9583

I've seen barely touched ls1's roll down 380 wheel horse power naturally aspirated. That is a solid motor too. It's amazing how strong powdered metals can be.

240z's running LOW 11's with 350hp? What do they weigh 1,500lbs? lmao Maybe a lotus super 7 with an ls1


HEHE " Intake Manifold Composite " That sure does sound better than "cheap plastic intake manifold".


Posted by: kvyd

lol it goes from someone havin man jugs to cars in only a few posts....gotta love it


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by kvyd
lol it goes from someone havin man jugs to cars in only a few posts....gotta love it
The beauty of America


Posted by: Xantix

*Edit*

This topic went way too fast, I'm too slow


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke9583
I've seen barely touched ls1's roll down 380 wheel horse power naturally aspirated. That is a solid motor too. It's amazing how strong powdered metals can be.

240z's running LOW 11's with 350hp? What do they weigh 1,500lbs? lmao Maybe a lotus super 7 with an ls1


HEHE " Intake Manifold Composite " That sure does sound better than "cheap plastic intake manifold".

Yeah I would question the 240z with low 11's with 350hp as well.
Low 11's is pretty damn fast.


Posted by: Luke9583

Low 13's is pretty damn fast! lmao


Posted by: Randy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke9583
Low 13's is pretty damn fast! lmao
It is with on a one legger for the very first run with no help from nitrous or any serious mods.... Basically a stock stroker motor... I didn't say that 13's was any record setting time or anything.... You laugh, but you're probably driving a volkswagen bus

Now the next run will have a 3500.00 12 bolt posi with 411's and it will get a hotter cam with some new springs... and a few other goodies.. See how it trims the time after those changes..


Posted by: Randy

Oh also I forgot to mention a very important factor to the 13 second run...
Not only was the car running a 1 legger, it was running 273 freeway gears in the rear end with turbo 350 auto tranny. So when I mentioned 13's , I thought it was pretty fast for 273 freeway gears in a one legger with a car that heavy running basically a stock stroker


Posted by: Luke9583

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy
It is with on a one legger for the very first run with no help from nitrous or any serious mods.... Basically a stock stroker motor... I didn't say that 13's was any record setting time or anything.... You laugh, but you're probably driving a volkswagen bus
No man, i'm being serious. Low 13's are fast. That's C5 territory. But I dont think the open diff is a dissadvantage a sticky drag ground dude. I think you might have a harder time w/ a locker. Then it'll be a bog/spin kinda car.... At least you can modulate now.

Actually I"m driving a 944 turbo. low 13's @ a hair over 110 (60' times kill me) . That's just when the car starts pulling any way, I couldn't even get out of 3rd gear at the strip. I'm a DE/ solo II kind of guy. I also compete in SCCA central division club rally in an open class 92' talon (around 400awhp). That's a mid to high 12's car in the dirt . Nothing beats launching with a studder box.


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