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Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

Hi,

My cycle will be from 1,7 to 1g os test/week, 600mg of deca/week, 150mg-25mg/oxymetholone/day and 75-25mg od winny/day. It will last for 8 weeks Im wondering what amount of tamoxifen citrate I should take to prevent gyno.

I thought st like starting from the 2nd week on 20mg/day, then go to 40mg until the 6th week a d then go back to 20mg. Do you think thats OK?

Thanx a lot

Martin

Posted by: Mudge

Use the amount you need, thats quite a bit of gear so I know for me I'd probably need at least 40.

I've ran up to a gram a week before but it does me no good over a lesser dose, and I like to run much longer than 8 weeks.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

I also did longer cycles,10-12 weeks, but I know very well that after 8 weeks (approximately), it gives me nothing, my strength stagnates, no more gains, It like staying at the same point. That s why ir would be a better idea to stop it for a while, then change the gear and start again
wooow you didnt try more than 1g of test per week, thats weird...

Posted by: Mudge

No food, no gains.

If you want strength then use strength drugs.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

Well, you didnt understand what I meant. My priority n 1 is mass, not streght! And I know very well how to eat to keep my gains or to go further. I am able to get some 1000g os carbs and 300-360g of proteins per day when Im on. My body weight is 110kg. Thats not the problem. The problem is that after going for 8 weeks on roids, there no more changes, so I see no reason why I should still continue. It useless. That my experiece. Nothing more.

Posted by: Mudge

If you know how to make gains by eating, quit making excuses, because thats exactly what you are doing.

You say one thing, and then you contradict yourself elsewhere.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

It will the problem of my English...what excuses do you mean?
I didnt want to make any excuses. I dont like it. I always try to do my best and will always accept any good and reasonable advice, bro...
I wanted to say that after 8 weeks on the same gear, even if I do not reduce calories I m not able to make any more gains. I do not lose my weight of stregth, I just stagnate. Thats why it seems useless to me to run roids for more than the 8 weeks. If I make a break, and then change the roids I should be able to make some gains again, right?
I just want to know your opinion

The point was whether its all right to go 8 weeks on 4 weeks off, not using the same gear in the cycles of course

have a nice day

Posted by: ZorroAzul

Martin, for whatever the reason, I reacted just the same as you on my only cycle that I completed. After 8-9 weeks, no more gains and I was eating exactly the same as throughout the cycle (if not more!!). No idea why that is...

Only at the end when I did 2 weeks of Winny did my strenght shoot through the roof...

So now that I am doing a EQ 600/week, sust 250/week cycle I am a little worried that the gains will stop @ 8 weeks again, short of what is good for EQ...

time will tell!

Posted by: Mudge

With that much juice in your system you wont even return to normal levels after 4 weeks off. I went for 4 months and took off 8 weeks the last time around, I use about a third of the test you do (150 prop EOD).

If you are going to do such short cycles I'd use short esters.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

With that much juice in your system you wont even return to normal levels after 4 weeks off.
Thats clear. Iknow that. But if use long esters, after week 8 I will still have 3 weeks on juice, because it will still be in my body. It should be st like a nonstop cycle. I WILL have a real break, then I would end it up on prop, clomid and HCG, now I just mean to go a few cycles one after another to make some brilliant gains, then I will give my body a complete rest.
Mudge, I cannot imagine how you can still improve when you use the juice for 4 months!!! Do you change roids? Or dosages?

Zorro: thats what I say. Stop it after 8 weeks thena really short break which is not actually a break if you run on long esters and you can start again. That should be the seems to me as the best way how to do it. Thats not my invention of course...

Posted by: Mudge

How do you think pros keep improving when being on year round? Because they have HIGH HORMONE LEVELS ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Martin, do you not inccrease cals thru the cycle. I have only done one cycle, but I know from all of my bio classes that the human body is particularly good at adapting. Maybe try uping the calories a bit.

Also, your reasoning for using long esters seems to go against what you say your body does. If you stop seeing results after 8 weeks, what point is there in having gear floating around in your system for another 3 weeks?

Posted by: Mudge

With those doses I'd say longer than 3 weeks active half life and suppression, thats heavy stuff.

Posted by: ZorroAzul

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Originally Posted by Mudge

With those doses I'd say longer than 3 weeks active half life and suppression, thats heavy stuff.

I agree, you will be shooting enough gear to kill a small horse!

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

"Also, your reasoning for using long esters seems to go against what you say your body does. If you stop seeing results after 8 weeks, what point is there in having gear floating around in your system for another 3 weeks?"
I will not have to take any clomid... cause I will start another cycle right after

Mudge, OK, but I thinh the point is that they change the gear! Am I right?

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

I don t know why you think that is too much. It s quite frequent here..I mean for those who are serious about BB.
And here you always have to count on the fact that the shit you buy is not the amount you think you have, unless you have everything from a pharmacy. I will have it now from a pharmacy which means that I should maybe really reduce the doses...hmmm

Posted by: Mudge

No it has already been discussed that receptors dont downgregulate.

If you are 300 pounds at 10% bodyfat then I'm sure your doses are great.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

OK, but I suppose they do not run the same ester through the whole year, do they?

Posted by: Mudge

One guy who was 280 @ 10% last I checked switched between 1.2 grams of cypionate, and 1.2 grams of enanthate every 6 months.

HOWEVER this doesn't mean diddly, ester is removed and testosterone is take up into the system, the ester is NOT a vital part of the drug other than release time.

There is no special receptor for seperate esters.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

just cannot understand how they can do it. 8 weeks on and no more gains for me...thats all I mean. My calories are still very high, training as intensive as I can do it that day...

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

btw: how can I add a photo under my name like you have ? hehe

Posted by: Mudge

Its slow gains over time, if the body has a testosterone level 15 times higher than that of a normal man there is no way they can avoid making those gains if they keep slowly increasing calories.

When you hit the forums, click the picture at the top that says something like NO AVATAR SELECTED and then insert your own, it must be of the appropriate dimensions. I'm getting sick of mine again already.

Posted by: ZorroAzul

two words for you... TANNING - BED

:-)

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

When you hit the forums, click the picture at the top that says something like NO AVATAR SELECTED and then insert your own, it must be of the appropriate dimensions. I'm getting sick of mine again already.

is that you?

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

two words for you... TANNING - BED

:-)

Do you mean that Im training bad? I never say never, but I really do not think so, give me your email and I will send my squatting photo chacha

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

wooow it works :-)

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Smolinsk

is that you?

Yes, trying to diet down. I am 1.8796 meters and about 117 kilos.

Posted by: ZorroAzul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Smolinsk

two words for you... TANNING - BED

:-)

Do you mean that Im training bad? I never say never, but I really do not think so, give me your email and I will send my squatting photo chacha

LOL, no man, just making a joke about this "BAREBACK" thread, Whatever you guys do please do not go below the waist with those pics, we do not want to see your butts!!

Posted by: Mudge

Dont worry about that, I'm not into showing my rear off.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

hmmm do you mean I have poor quads? :-) dont believe that..haha

Posted by: Pirate!

This thread was originally about tamoxifen dosage. I would like to know what dosage would be proper for a 10-12 week cycle of sus 250 twice a week with hcg probably 250iu twice a week. I am 150 lbs., first cycle. Hey Mudge, I do like the new picture. Does this mean your english will be like Martin's, too?

Posted by: Mudge

I speak Russian but I am a native English speaker, so my English would not be the same no.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

:-)

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

Mudge, when should I start taking tamox? The 2nd week is all right? I ve never tried this stuff, I always took proviron and everything was all right...

Posted by: Mudge

If you are only taking 4 weeks off you wont even recover, you could take it any time you want, or never.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

I don see what you mean. I ve just finished winny+prop, then 5 weeks off and Im gonna start what I written above. I just wanted to know whether I should take tamx right from the beginning of the cycle, cause oxymatholone is a quickly acting stuff...

Posted by: Mudge

I dont use nolvadex during my cycles, if gyno were to show up then you can use it sure.

Posted by: Martin Smolinsk

I never had this problem (gyno) and I dont think I should have it this time, but what can I lose trying tamox? Nothing.

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