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Posted by: duneraider

hello, I'm fairly new to working out, I'm trying to loose weight and gain muscle. most things i have read have said that i need to get a good load of protein both pre and post workout. whats the easiest way to get that protein? a shake seems to be out of the question, i mean by the time my workout is over it would be warm. i go to the gym on the way home from work. Any ideas would be helpful thanks.

Posted by: kvyd

Why couldnt you mix it at the gym?

But, if you want to lose weight and gain muscle,which im assuming you mean cut fat build muscle. Then you need to get your diet in order.
End of discussion.

Posted by: atherjen

I agree... I just take the protein powder already premeasured in a shaker cup to the gym and add water there.
aside from just the protein pre and post workout, quality carbs are also needed.

Posted by: sara

You can blend the protein with ice and freeze it couple hours in a shaker cup then take it to the gym

Posted by: kvyd

^^^ Why not just get water at gym?

Posted by: Vital Signs

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which im assuming you mean cut fat build muscle. Then you need to get your diet in order.

EXACTLY..!!!!

btw... what does your diet consist of anyway? Betcha we can help you sift out the crap..!

Posted by: duneraider

Well ill tell ya i'll definitely try mixing up at the gym. My diet sucks. but i don't think it is because i don't know what to eat so much as i usually start the day off pumped up to being real good on my diet, and end up the day craving fats and sugars..

For me every monday seems to be "the" monday im gonna do better. this is the one. heheh. I'm not to upset with my self. i started this thing at nearly 300 pounds. over the last three years i have snailed my way down to 238. the last five months or so i have been lifting weights, and i find i really like it. when i miss a day at the gym it just doesn't feel right anymore. But although i have seen some strength gains i haven't noticed my muscles getting much bigger, or significant fat loss.
Hey any advice would be great. Thanks for the view every one.

Posted by: Determination

My first recommendation would be to READ UP. People new to this stuff are too confused to know where to start it seems. Interent forums are not the right place to start. They're a good reference to see what other people are doing once you've already started doing your own thing. To see what people think of certain methods, supplements, etc. You saying you want to lose fat and gain muscle alone...while yes you can grow muscle while on a fat burning phase, your goal simply cannot be doing both at the same time. You either want to burn fat or gain muscle. If you happen to put on some muscle while cutting, gravy, but ther diets to maximize each aspect are fairly opposite.

I see way too many posts by people who have no clue what they're doing. I mean, you don't educate yourself about the subject, then you're expecting a messageboard to get you on your way to maximizing your results?

Start taking your diet as seriously as anything else in your life

every single meal counts. Set specific goals, write them down and read them to yourself every morning and before you go to sleep (and any time during the day where you feel like wavering)

Planning is the best way to make sure you get your meals in. If you already know what you're going to eat and at what times, then you concentrate on getting all your good meals in...When you're eating every 2.5 hours and you put so much time the day before planning them out, the chances of you eating something you shouldn't are very slim.

If you really take care of your diet, 60 pounds in 3 years will seem like NOTHING. You can do a LOT better than that. If you truly clean up your diet and start concentrating on eating as cleanly as possible, along with weightlifting, in one year you can completely transform your body.

If your diet sucks as you say it currently does...the first couple of weeks you truly clean it up you're going to see some drastic changes.

At the gym, don't be in there longer than an hour, stay hydrated and keep rest intervals short. For small body parts, 30 seconds tops between sets. You should be aiming to get out of there in 45 minutes after starting your first set. But don't just rush your way through the exercises to get out of there quickly. Maximize each rep, get the most you can out of every single one. If at first you end up being in the gym a little longer because you find that you haven't been doing exercises properly (too quickly, without proper form, not concentrating on the working muscles, resting too long, etc)...that's fine, you'll get it down eventually

If you're 238 right now, in one year there is no reason for you not to be under 200 pounds if you truly dedicate yourself to this

right now you seem comfortable saying "my diet sucks"...that's not gonna get it done. Great results are attainable, you have to take full responsibility for them. You have to want them badly enough. You have to have a clear cut purpose. You have to empower your mind, that means knowing what you're doing first. That means reading up.

Posted by: duneraider

Man, sounds like you think I'm dumb just for reading these forums. I thought reading the forums where a step in the right direction. Ive read a bit. Ive read the body sculpting bible for men, I've read various different fitness magazines, I've read the guide to cutting on this message board. In everything i have read i really have learned one thing, that the science of fitness is in no way perfect. what i read in one place is drastically different in another. I mean i have lots of questions. you can't just find a book and have it answer all the questions. Thats why i asked here!!

Thanks for the replies.

Posted by: Vital Signs

I've been a Computer Programmer for 23 years, and I've been into fitness approx just as long. I've been programming long enough to know when another programmer is feeding me a load of crap, and I know when a body builder is shoveling out the same! Computer Programming and Body Building are very competitive arenas, and some pros do not want you to be better than they are...like Arnold said in Pumping Iron..."I have no problem giving the wrong advice!" Time and experience is your best friend! Eventually you will figure out what foods and training are best for you... it's not the same for everyone, but high carbs and high protein along with a dedicated workout routine will give you the best results. You have to be dedicated and comitted to achieve your goals. Determination pretty much answered your question! If you don't have the dicipline to follow that advice, then you may as well just drink beer, eat pizza, and lay around on the couch and watch sitcoms..!

Posted by: Determination

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Originally Posted by duneraider

what i read in one place is drastically different in another. I mean i have lots of questions. you can't just find a book and have it answer all the questions.

Actually, as far as getting the basics out of the way, Tom Venuto's book is pretty much all the info you need to get you going in the right path. That's just from personal experience.

Way I see it, going around the internet gathering information is just going to end up confusing you cause like you said, there's a lot of conflicting information out there.

Venuto's book Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle lays out EVERYTHING for you, from how to motivate yourself, to how to eat, how to plan your meals, how to plan your workouts, how to customize your workouts and diet to your needs, etc.

The basics that are laid out in that book are basically universal, bodybuilders have been doing this stuff for many decades, it's nothing new. Like Venuto says, the basics are probably responsible for 85% of your results if not more.

There isn't that much conflicting info on the fundamentals.

In all reality, the body for life books wouldn't be a bad idea to get you started. The BFFM program might be a little bit too daunting to start with, a couple of weeks to a month of just planning your meals and eating by the portions without going crazy with calories and macronutrients might be a good way to get you going in the right direction. Just ignore the supplement plugs, the core of the program is still on point.

The whole thing is to get yourself to the point where you know what you're doing and you can get truly started on bettering yourself. One of the first things you'll read in venuto's book is that most people spend all their time looking for information...and in the end they never really get going with anything.

Having a solid foundation of knowledge and a good reference that you can check back on puts you in better shape to get truly going than being confused.

You claim cravings are setting you back from eating healthy. What if I told you that if you were eating correctly you would eliminate cravings altogether (ok for the most part, heh)? What if I told you that having uncontrollable cravings is actually a direct result of what you're eating earlier in the day or even days before? You probably know what to eat, but maybe you're just not eating enough. I'm just speculating on that aspect, though...I don't know your diet at all besides you saying that it sucks.

I'm not trying to make you feel dumb at all, I'm just trying to get you to realize that if you were really into this, saying "my diet sucks" would be completely inexcusable.

Posted by: juggernaut

Tupperware
http://order.tupperware.com/pls/htpr...ow_item_detail

sells these little containers which you can use to get 2 scoops of whey and 4 tbsp of dextrose all in the same container. Throw it in a mixing cup (sold at any supps store) and you got the problem fixed. Or, just throw everything in the mixing container, when you're done with the workout, walk over to the water fountain, fill the thing and use it after.

Posted by: juggernaut

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Originally Posted by duneraider

Well ill tell ya i'll definitely try mixing up at the gym. My diet sucks. but i don't think it is because i don't know what to eat so much as i usually start the day off pumped up to being real good on my diet, and end up the day craving fats and sugars..

I had the same problem too. What I did at the end of the day is boil 2 eggs and eat them whole an hour after dinner and then after I eat the eggs, a half hour later, I eat a tbsp of peanut butter. That fills me and usually knocks out the cravings I have. If you need something some sweet, trick yourself by using this recipe:

In a blender add:
*Large tub of cottage cheese (about 16 oz.)
*1 package of sugar free, fat free instant pudding (flavor of your
choice....I love chocolate or vanilla)
*1 scoop of vanilla or chocolate protein powder
*dash of vanilla extract
*dash of cinnamon
*OPTIONAL: fat free cool whip (I use a few heaping tablespoons)
peanut butter

Blend in a blender until smooth. You may have to add a little water to thin
the mix out.

**Sometimes I blend half the mixture at a time for easier blending.

DONT EAT IT ALL AT ONCE. Store the rest in a bowl or container with a wrap or cover.

Posted by: duneraider

haha, ill try the hard boiled egg thing. i do use pbutta from time to time and it does seem to curve those fat cravings. =)

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