ricky williams [Forum Archive]

-->

Pages: 1

ricky williams

(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: ratm383

headcase....fruitcake....etc etc.

ever hear those speeches about wasted talent and ppl who wished they had what you have hating you? yeah that would be ricky williams. (spaz)

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Yeah his retirement was a surprise to me. That's what happens when you pay someone too much money to play. He definitely had the talent to be one of the greatest running backs ever. He probably decided it was more fun to party and smoke pot, and stay healthy, then to play running back. Lord knows he can afford it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2603580

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Hey Folks!

This is HIS life. It's HIS decision. It takes more balls and forethought to walk away if it makes YOU happy, than it does to keep playing because *everyone else* expects and want you to--for their own selfish reasons.

I respect his individuality.

I assume he has done well enough (financially) with his earned income over the past 5 years, and he also qualifies for the NFL pension when he hits retirement age.

He is heading to Asia to travel for "several months." When he gets to Saigon, if he does, I'll hopefully have chat with him.

He's doing what we all should do--look out for number 1--because no one else will.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Hey Folks!

This is HIS life. It's HIS decision. It takes more balls and forethought to walk away if it makes YOU happy, than it does to keep playing because *everyone else* expects and want you to--for their own selfish reasons.

I respect his individuality.

I assume he has done well enough (financially) with his earned income over the past 5 years, and he also qualifies for the NFL pension when he hits retirement age.

He is heading to Asia to travel for "several months." When he gets to Saigon, if he does, I'll hopefully have chat with him.

He's doing what we all should do--look out for number 1--because no one else will.

Oh Please....

So any decsion is beyond criticism provided it is "your" decision? Of course it is his life and his decision and it is my decision to call that decision ridiculous and a WASTE OF TALENT.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

... and it is my decision to call that decision ridiculous and a WASTE OF TALENT.

Exactly.

Posted by: P-funk

Off topic- JD are you a Browns fan or a Jets fan?

Posted by: ratm383

The man is under contract...hes been a quack since he was at UT....somebody has to hold him responsible for his actions because while hes acting like a diva....ive never heard him sing. he prolly does look good in a dress though. and im through

Posted by: kvyd

Waste of talent yes. His choice yes. .... As a human being he is free to decide what he wants and if he decides he doesnt wanna be hit any more.. I dont blame him.

Posted by: I'm Trying

What a wake up call for me this morning. This sucks for me being a HUGE Dolphins fan. I was looking forward to this season too. I'm hoping he second guesses himself and comes back after training camp. I was listening to ESPN radio while I was working out and Chris Mortenson thinks he'll do that.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratm383

...he prolly does look good in a dress though...

You mean like this?

Posted by: ratm383

HAHA......that is exactly what i mean.....i tried to find that pic earlier....

goodtimes.

Posted by: djrx06

My comment is No comment.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

Off topic- JD are you a Browns fan or a Jets fan?

Gulp.... neither P. Growing up in the Washington, DC area, well let's just say when I heard Joe Gibbs was returning to the Redskins, that was like the best news I'd heard in a long, long, long time.

While in Ohio, since I was in the southwest corner... sit down Pat... I pulled for the Bengals

. It was my duty to hate the Browns, although I'll say when Modell moved them to Baltimore in the middle of the night I thought that sucked big time. If any city deserves a NFL football team, its Cleveland. Here in southern Jersey, I'm forced to watch the Eagles.

I must say though, I've watched pro football for many years, and have become somewhat disillusioned with the game as we now know it. I enjoy watching Ohio State football so much more.

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

While in Ohio, since I was in the southwest corner... sit down Pat... I pulled for the Bengals . It was my duty to hate the Browns

STAY BANNED

Posted by: Stickboy

I was shocked, but I think he wasn't ready for life in the NFL. I'm looking at it more like a case of 'This is what I want" and when you get there, you didn't really want it at all.

Me, I wish him the best.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

STAY BANNED

You have to give me some credit for being a huge Ohio State fan. GO BUCKEYES!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

FUCK Ricky Williams. Sure it's his choice to retire, but he totally screwed his team with his timing. He could have retired when the season ended, or played out the 2004 season then retire. Retiring ONE WEEK before camps open really puts the Dolphins in a bad poistion. They now have to rely on someone who had 41 total carries last year to carry the load. Shit, even if he retired a week ago, the Dolphins could have gone after Eddie George. I'm not a Dolphins fan and really don't care if they suck now, but Ricky Williams just screwed over all his former teammates and they won't forget that.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

FUCK Ricky Williams. Sure it's his choice to retire, but he totally screwed his team with his timing. He could have retired when the season ended, or played out the 2004 season then retire. Retiring ONE WEEK before camps open really puts the Dolphins in a bad poistion. They now have to rely on someone who had 41 total carries last year to carry the load. Shit, even if he retired a week ago, the Dolphins could have gone after Eddie George. I'm not a Dolphins fan and really don't care if they suck now, but Ricky Williams just screwed over all his former teammates and they won't forget that.

Word.

Posted by: Spitfire

One week earlier, why not one week earlier...

Posted by: ALBOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Here in southern Jersey, I'm forced to watch the Eagles.

You lucky bastard.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I see his side, I see fan's side. I read somewhere that he got caught doing the chronic and that played into his decision but wasn't the only reason. I don't even smoke, but if my boss said he was going to randomly drug test me to make sure I wasn't smoking pot, I would quit. I hate having retrictions on me, even if they are things I already don't do. Maybe RW wants a little freedom.

Posted by: Pepper

Jeez...some of you make him sound like a freedom fighter

Here's the scoope...
He gets paid, what $5 million a year to play a game. Yes his "job" is hard, but he should consider himself lucky to have it. He has 50+ players counting on him..you know...his TEAM....and he ups and walks.

Drugs? Well, if I am stroking $5 million a year to guy, I damn well have the right to make sure he is not snorting it up his nose.

RW is a quitter. He has every right to be a quitter if he wants to, but let's not sugar coat and and call it a search for freedom. I'd be alot more free if I fired my employees, shut down and took off. I'd have every right, but I'd be an asshole.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Drugs? Well, if I am stroking $5 million a year to guy, I damn well have the right to make sure he is not snorting it up his nose.

Not if it doesn't effect his on-field performance, IMO.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Not if it doesn't effect his on-field performance, IMO.

Well, we don't test here, but if we found out an employee was doing that, they'd be gone. Period. And we don't pay anyone $5 million :-)

Posted by: Deadly13

This retirment is retarted I know alot of ppl thats going be talking shit now... Whats up with this guy he has all the right talent to be an great now in my book..His another Mike Tyson that well piss alway is money to come back 4 yrs later to work for 1.2 million or low-pay like that are proably the min amount.

Posted by: Sean0621

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

You have to give me some credit for being a huge Ohio State fan. GO BUCKEYES!

Hell yeah, OSU is awesome.

Posted by: ALBOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Not if it doesn't effect his on-field performance, IMO.

But how do you know whether it is or isn't effecting his performance? It's better to just go ahead and test to make sure they're clean and performing at their peak.

Posted by: gr81

While I agree that the timing is somewhat bad and if I were a teammate of his I would be angry, I think that no one is lookin at the fact that he gave up millions and millions of dollars to have peace of mind and do what HE thought was right for him. Why can't you respect that. We have NO idea what was going on behind the scenes and what actually led to his decision being made at this specific time. I think its not any of oiur places to judge, we are just fans, and if someone doesn't want to be what we want him to be, that gives us the right to condemn him as a loser?? fucc that. I respect the fact that something else in his life was more important than the money, ist refreshing in pro sports and we complain all too much about athletes being greedy and selfish and all about tha money. I do agree about the timing not being the greatest thou. WEe have no place to judge thou and I wish him peace of mind in his new endevours

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALBOB

But how do you know whether it is or isn't effecting his performance? It's better to just go ahead and test to make sure they're clean and performing at their peak.

Obviously they based his pay on some criteria, ie. yardage and TDs. So if he doesn't make what they consider to be that criteria, then it is considered to effect on-field performance. The pay is based on what he can do for the team, I am pretty sure you can tell if he is worth the money or not.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Good read.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2607466?GT1=4244

Posted by: austinite

I don't see it as a waste of talent cuz he played in college and as a pro for 5 years. He made money, and is tired of football. Good enough. He was under contract to the Dolphins, as long as he carries the pigskin, but he's not.

Posted by: nikegurl

is it time to discuss his haircut?

Posted by: PreMier

What?

Posted by: PreMier

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadly13

This retirment is retarted I know alot of ppl thats going be talking shit now... Whats up with this guy he has all the right talent to be an great now in my book..His another Mike Tyson that well piss alway is money to come back 4 yrs later to work for 1.2 million or low-pay like that are proably the min amount.

I agree with this. Hopefully the teams will realize that he isnt worth the risk if he decides to come back.

Posted by: nikegurl

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

What?

He cut his dreads.

Posted by: austinite

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikegurl

He cut his dreads.

I thought they were extensions.

Posted by: nikegurl

i doubt it...but i really don't know for sure.

i was just being a wise ass

b/c with all the football talk (which i love) the thing i take from the ricky williams story - was the change in hair style. go ahead - say it. "chicks"

Posted by: PreMier

Do you like the bald head better, or his dreads?

Posted by: Flex

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratm383

headcase....fruitcake....etc etc.

ever hear those speeches about wasted talent and ppl who wished they had what you have hating you? yeah that would be ricky williams. (spaz)

i agree its a waste of talent, but at the same time, who are we to judge what he does with his life?

He already made more $ playing football a few months/year than most of us will in our lifetime, so, whats wrong with him quitting? Maybe he doesnt want to risk a life threatening injury.

Again, i agree that its weird when some players retire for no apparent reason, but the critics of such players are also the couch-manager/coaches who know why my Red Sox don't win the World Series, and if THEY were manager, they sure as hell would be champions.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Dang, I tried going to the website of that company that makes the masking agent Williams uses, but my office Websense filter blocks the site because it's "Illegal or Questionable."

http://www.urineluck.com/

Posted by: ALBOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

On the surface I agree with this. My point is that being measured against some arbitrary "standard" is just that, arbitrary. There's no way to tell what level a person COULD be performing to. Therefore I'm all in favor of drug testing just to eliminate that possible deterrent to peak performance.

Posted by: Johnnny

All I can say is it's his life & his decision.

In my opinion it was a poor decision.

After I had played the running back position for 5yrs I loved the position & the guys I played with. If I had the opportunities Ricky Williams had, I would never pass them up especially not at the age of 27yrs old or 30yrs old.

I would only retire if I was having injury problems, maybe he was having some minor or major problems that was causing him problems to continue playing at his peak?

We'll never know as he's always seemed %100 & stayed healthy.

Whether it has to do with smokin' a little grass I don't know? But I say what's the harm in a little grass once in awhile? I've had a couple of joints a month. But not every day or even every week.

I certainly wouldn't retire with playing football in Miami (a city I would love to live in) & with that talent.

I think it's a waste of Talent as Wanstedt put it.

But he will be completing his degree from Texas in education so maybe he's going to take a different career path.

As for his anxiety disorders (a cause for his shyness & doing interviews with his helmet on), maybe that affected his decision. I wonder if he takes meds?
Maybe he stopped taking his meds & that helped make this decision.

Whatever it was I just hope he reconsiders as he is a talented player & will be missed.

He did amazing w/o a lot of offensive support as the link that was supplied stated.

Oh & I will miss the dreadlocks, they were cool.

Posted by: nikegurl

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Do you like the bald head better, or his dreads?

on him - the dreads.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALBOB

What about alcohol, that can as easily effect performance, sometimes more. That is the problem, just because someone is doing drugs does not mean they will perform any worse than someone who gets drunk every night.

Posted by: ALBOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

That is the problem, just because someone is doing drugs does not mean they will perform any worse than someone who gets drunk every night.

I completely agree. I feel the same way about alcohol as I do about other drugs. If I'm paying somebody a bazillion dollars a year to perform they damn sure better be performing at their peak. To me, that means clean AND sober. I know I'm gonna get slammed for infringing on "rights", too bad. Again, if I'm the team owner and I'm paying that much money to the players, they'd damn sure better be at 100% or they can go play for somebody else.

Posted by: olusco

No person knows Ricky Williams. He said too many rules makes him insane and he is really tired of the whole situation and they made him run the football too much that it is killing him. Sometimes to leave the football gives him freedom and We do not know that Quaterback and running back do too much and if mentally they break down to revive them it takes a lot of therapy to get them back their normal life.

Posted by: LAM

Ricky is a great back. he has made a ton of money and he wants to spend it and smoke pot in peace.

Posted by: Johnnny

I've just heard that he will have to give $8,000,000 (some of it bonuses he'd earned) back to the Dolphins if he goes through with the retirement.

On top of the $650K fine for smokin' pot.

So it sounds like Ricky will play next year as it doesn't look like he can afford to give up that much cash.

I could be wrong but that's what I heard.

$8 million is some serious bread. Many ppl think he'll play just so he doesn't have to give up all that cash.

Posted by: ratm383

where did you hear that?

all i hear is the dolphins are looking for a new back...i dont think he cares if he has to give back the money and i also wasnt under the impression that the dolphins were going to go after his bonus. do you know for sure?

Posted by: Johnnny

I heard it on one of the radio sports stations hear.

Personally if I had to give back another $8million to the team out of my pocket, I'd think twice about retiring & maybe play another couple of seasons or the rest of my contract.

Posted by: Johnnny

self quote

Quote:

I heard it on one of the radio sports stations hear

meant to right the word here, not hear excuse my typo.

Posted by: camarosuper6

He may be a headcase, a retard or a waste of talent, but damn I will NEVER forget how he dominated when he was at Texas.

UnBeLEIVEABLE!

Posted by: fantasma62

Ricky is flaky. That's what I tell everyone.

I am a big Dolphins fan, but was I surprised that Ricky retired? Nope.
He is strange like that. Has any of you seen him interviewed when he was back at New Orleans? With his freaking helmet on!!!!!
My man wants to smoke weed peacefuly. He's pissed off because he failed a third drug test and the league was going to suspend him for 4 games....
Run Ricky, run......to Amsterdam where it's Ok to smoke pot...
By the way, I don't now, nor have I ever smoked pot. A good buddy goes there 4 times a year, and I don't think it's for the beaches....

Posted by: Johnnny

fantasma62

Ricky Williams has severe anxiety disorder.

This is why he almost always has his helmet on during interviews.

Ths severe anxiety disorder is the reason for his shyness.

All of his teammates are aware of his shyness due to this problem.

Posted by: fantasma62

Johnnny, he no longer wears a helmet for interviews, he used to do this before, I was just giving an example of the things he has done. He's just....flaky....
I know what severe anxiety disorder is and I know he had it. Supposedly he had licked it with medicine, which by the way, he has stopped drinking it and ever since he did, he's been making this very good career decisions....
Like I said, they should leave the guy alone and focus on the Marlins or the Heat...
Later......

Posted by: Mikhal

I first off know not a damn thing bout football, where I come from football is soccer. However make'n a livin as a professional athlete is somethin I got a little grip on from tha inside. Sometimes it's not enough money in tha world to get tha shit banged outta you when it just ain't inside ya no more. Sometimes you wonder if this is worth what ya deal wit at home ,in tha press, on theses boards ha ha, and mostly in your heart, to go and keep train'n and get'n hurt and broke up, and lose tha person you are really to keep get'n chedder and cheers (or boos) from fans who are sleep while your doing roadwork in tha mornin and set'n on their asses watch'n you work ,and bitch'n bout what you shoulda done in that last play or last round, while they drink beer and fart while eat'n hot dogs and shit. When your heart ain't into your job, you SHOULD quit before you fuck up your career and become a bum, or even worse work half hearted wind up injuried or brain dead. If you stay around to long, people forget who you are and what you did when you where on top( Look at Mike Tyson,people only look at him now not all tha shit he did when he was into it and on fire), and when you leave early people, bitch and call ya coward,diva, spoiled rich fuck. It could just be a case of "He don't love it no more" and if that is it ,just speak'n for tha point of view I just kicked, GOD bless tha brotha, and may he find himself and be happy wit his life as not a football playa, but as a human being.This kinda reminds me of when I was a kid , my boys was drink'n and shit, one of tha chicks that was there said to a friend of mine "you drink to much for me" to which he replied " Bitch I ain't drink'n for you, I'm drink'n for me ! Maybe he ain't play'n for us , he's play'n for him.Sports is a game , Life is tha Shit. Just kick'n a point of view. Peace n Love

Posted by: feeq

1) I think Ricky did a very smart thing. He said f ck it and walked away while everyone was on his c ck. Some people don't realize that it's his life and he can do what he wants.
2) Who in there right mind wants to work for a living when they can just sit back, relax, smoke, travel and get laid because they have alreday made a lifetimes worth of money at the age of 27.
3) A fact that allot of people don't know is that he is set for life. He walked away from the pro's at 27 everybody wants to do a movie/book about him know. And besides that the NFL takes care of it's own, once a player is in the leauge for 5 or more years and decides to retire they have to pay him a percentage of his highest salary for life. Not to mention the fact that he left after he got his roster bonus for the year! And who wants to play for the Dolphins anyway they will never win lol.

Posted by: Johnnny

Here is some recent news.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

It looks like Ricky doesn't care that he has to give back $8million to the Dolphins as this will force him to quit even if he changes his mind.

Very sad.

I saw on the Fox link that apparently Ricky Williams still has severe Anxiety Disorder & heard Jason Taylor say he's very shy & quiet.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

Here is some recent news.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

It looks like Ricky doesn't care that he has to give back $8million to the Dolphins as this will force him to quit even if he changes his mind.

Very sad.

I saw on the Fox link that apparently Ricky Williams still has severe Anxiety Disorder & heard Jason Taylor say he's very shy & quiet.

I read that he stopped drinking his medicine so, yeah, he still has the SAD...

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by feeq

1) I think Ricky did a very smart thing. He said f ck it and walked away while everyone was on his c ck. Some people don't realize that it's his life and he can do what he wants.
2) Who in there right mind wants to work for a living when they can just sit back, relax, smoke, travel and get laid because they have alreday made a lifetimes worth of money at the age of 27.
3) A fact that allot of people don't know is that he is set for life. He walked away from the pro's at 27 everybody wants to do a movie/book about him know. And besides that the NFL takes care of it's own, once a player is in the leauge for 5 or more years and decides to retire they have to pay him a percentage of his highest salary for life. Not to mention the fact that he left after he got his roster bonus for the year! And who wants to play for the Dolphins anyway they will never win lol.

Ricky doesn't exactly have a lifetime worth of money. He got screwed in NO when Master P signed that ingenious contract where Ricky made a base salary and not much else. He was in Miami only for a couple of years, so in reality this is where he made his money. For you and I it's a lifetime worth of scratch, but he'll blow it quickly. He smokes hash, and I know hash is not the most expensive of "hobbies", but it is still expensive. He loves to travel and he likes his Hummers. You tell me...

Posted by: Johnnny

I agree.

If I was still healthy (injury wise), & played for a ball club that loved me & was in a place where fans loved me, there's no way I'd retire that young.

Provided I stayed healthy & was on a member of a ball club that protected me off the field as well as on, I'd stay until at least 30yrs old.

But what fantasma62 says about Ricky making most of his money in Miami is true.

& with that said he basically only had a couple of years worth of a salary.

That money can only last so long if he's not careful with it. If he blows it all on travelling & pot than it will run out really fast.

Even with that link I supplied with Ricky signing the final papers preventing him from playing this year, that means Ricky's out of $8million & I think he may come back for the 2005 season. But with Miami? Who knows, he may pull a shocker & go somewhere like Jacksonvill or Tenesee with Eddie George's departure to the Cowboys or The Buffalo Bills.

But I think he'll realize that A. he made a mistake halfway through this year & while watching games on tv & B. that he needs to continue to make more money for the next few years which will convince him to come back for 2005.

Posted by: olusco

Ricky is out of his brain.The pot is going to choke him up. He wants to do whatever and whenever with no rules and regulation regarding NFL that is why he wants out. I would like to see him after 2 or 3 years from now. He should get a professional help before kill himself on pot and other shit.

Posted by: Johnnny

olusco

Quote:

Ricky is out of his brain.The pot is going to choke him up. He wants to do whatever and whenever with no rules and regulation regarding NFL that is why he wants out. I would like to see him after 2 or 3 years from now. He should get a professional help before kill himself on pot and other shit.

Completely agreed.

He is clearly only thinking about pot.

He is apparently apart of a support group & has failed 3 tests or something while being a member of that group.

A part of me thinks he retired b/c he knew that he'd be suspended by the league b/c of their substance abuse rule.

So he reitires to avoid suspension & all the hype so he can just relax & smoke all the pot he wants to.

Then another part of me says he's just a weird guy with sever Anx/Dis.

Posted by: Flex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhal

Maybe he ain't play'n for us , he's play'n for him.Sports is a game , Life is tha Shit. Just kick'n a point of view. Peace n Love

What up playaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,
I agree with your entire. post 100%, playa. Coudlnt have said it better myself. But ^ part of your post sums it up best.

Who are we to judge what he does? (...from the couch with a protein shake in my hand haha

)

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

olusco

Completely agreed.

He is clearly only thinking about pot.

He is apparently apart of a support group & has failed 3 tests or something while being a member of that group.

A part of me thinks he retired b/c he knew that he'd be suspended by the league b/c of their substance abuse rule.

So he reitires to avoid suspension & all the hype so he can just relax & smoke all the pot he wants to.

Then another part of me says he's just a weird guy with sever Anx/Dis.

Hey Johnnny, I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I have had the same thoughts, but for what I understand, ok I won't lie, for what I read, he got upset because he was busted for a third time. He had his mouthpiece Dan Lebatard from the Miami Herald and ESPN saying that we should be happy for Ricky because he iwas doing what he wanted and that his drug use was not as bad as the widespread around the NFL. Later he told LeBatard, after he had stuck his neck out for him, that he was really upset about the third test.
If he were to try to come back now that he presented his retirement papers, he would have to accept a 4th failed test, even if he didn't fail, which brings about an indefinite suspension....He's screwing up and he may not even realize it...

Posted by: fantasma62

...and now Ricky wants to play for the Raiders...He said he may be back next year but not with the Dolphins.

The weed is working out well...He's flaky, I told ya'll.....

Posted by: PreMier

You have a report of this?

Posted by: Johnnny

fantasma62

Quote:

That's it exactly.

fantasma62

Quote:

...and now Ricky wants to play for the Raiders...He said he may be back next year but not with the Dolphins.

The weed is working out well...He's flaky, I told ya'll.....

& where did you hear this unsurprising news?

Do you have a link?

Well now a days everyone wants to play for the Raiders. Take a look at Warren Sapp?

He turns down an amazing contract from the Bengals where he would've fit very well in that defensive squad to go to the Black & Silver.
He may just want to relax this year & come back next year think about things & get his life together & just chill.

Posted by: fantasma62

No link. The news appeared in every tv channel in Miami....

Posted by: IainDaniel

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...9323059.htm?1c

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...9323059.htm?1c

Dang, you beat me to it....

(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38