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Posted by: MikeLawry

Hi,
This is my first post on this forum, but I've been reading over a lot of material on this forum for a few days now and they have certainly been useful.

I just got a little question that I wanna ask, I've used the search function but nothing has turned up and the faq has been useful but a little confusing.

Has anyone here used a product called MaxStack from Max Muscle Sports Nutrition? The guy at the store recommended it to me when I was looking for M1T being a first time prohormone user. But I would like to know what I'm going to pu in my body before I start the cycle. i've done searches everywhere but found nothing even on their official website mmsportsnutrition.com.

It contains per serving:
4 androstenediol 100mg
19-norandrostenedione 100mg
19-Norandrostenediol 50mg
5-Androstenediol 100mg
green tea extract 100mg
Indole-3-Carbinol 50mg
Ipriflavone 100mg
Kola Nut Extract 100mg
Tribulus Terrestris Extract 100mg

Is that a good stack or a bad stack? I'm taking BCAA, Glutamine and Creatine with it while on cycle, would that help reduce some of the side effects? and would I need to take 6-oxo after a three week cycle?

Any help would be appreciated, and if I sounded stupid or if some of the questions were obvious , please forgive me.

Thanks.


Posted by: MikeLawry

ok, I just read through the faq again and found this
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Compounds you want to avoid:

5 androstenediol (5AD or 5diol) converts to testosterone at a very low rate and is an estrogen agonist
19 nor-4-androstenedione (norandro) converts to nortestosterone and estrogen .....
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The stack I bought contains two of the five that I would wanna avoid, so I guess i'll return it and just go for the M1T.

edit: my mistake, the stack contains 4 androstenediol, not 4 androstenedien.
and is 19 nor 4 androstenedione the same as 19 norandrostenendione?


Posted by: Pirate!

Return it, but don't go with the M1T. M1T is too harsh for your first Ph/Ps cycle. I could suggest some good cycles to start with that will give you the results you want without the sides of M1T (if you are open to it).


Posted by: MikeLawry

Sure, the way I see it is the more I read about it, the more I'll understand. I heard that M-dien or a product from higher power called M1D is similar to M 1 test with less side effects. Should I go with that instead?


Posted by: Pirate!

That is one option. However, I would suggest S1+ for a first cycle. It is easier to dose than MD (M1D), and probably better for bulking. http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=816. Buy two bottles of this and use as per directions for 4 weeks. For PCT, you should get Novadex (tamoxifen citrate), and take as per the sticky you just read. It is better than 6-oxo. If you search, you will find where to get tamoxifen citrate.


Posted by: MikeLawry

would I need anything to complement it during on cycle to reduce it's side effects? i'm also on BCAA, glutamine and creatine.


Posted by: redspy

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeLawry
would I need anything to complement it during on cycle to reduce it's side effects? i'm also on BCAA, glutamine and creatine.
The 4-AD in S1+ will offset the lethergy and reduced libido side effects of the 1-Test.

Also, make sure you have a good plan for PCT, preferably Nolvadex.


Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeLawry
would I need anything to complement it during on cycle to reduce it's side effects? i'm also on BCAA, glutamine and creatine.
As redspy said, it complements itself.


Posted by: MikeLawry

thanks, but I thought 4-ad was listed as "something to avoid" in the ph faq?


Posted by: redspy

4-AD Technical Information

Quote:
4-androstenediol (4-AD) is an effective prohormone to testosterone. Naturally found in several tissues of the body, 4-AD is converted to testosterone via the enzyme 3beta-HSD. 4-AD converts to testosterone at a significantly higher rate than other commercially available prohormones (such as androstenedione), and also does not have the weakness of conversion to estrogen and/or DHT prior to conversion to testosterone. This makes 4-AD the best testosterone prohormone on the market.

Since testosterone is the target hormone, the effects of 4-AD supplementation will be consistent with an increase in testosterone levels. Since testosterone converts to both estrogen and DHT, both androgenic and estrogenic side effects can be expected. Although not commonly used as a standalone because of these side effects, 4-AD is used in most prohormone stacks. Since exogenous steroids shut down natural production of testosterone via negative feedback, 4-AD can help reduce the side effects of low testosterone and low estrogen experienced with many substances (such as loss of libido) while also providing additional anabolic benefit. 19-nordiol and 4-AD and 1-AD or 1-test and 4-AD are both common stacks. 4-AD is also recommended to counteract some of the side effects of methyl-1-test.
Hardly something to avoid.


Posted by: MikeLawry

oh okay, this -diol and -dien stuff was confusing.
So there's nothing wrong with the Max stack after all?


Posted by: redspy

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeLawry
oh okay, this -diol and -dien stuff was confusing.
So there's nothing wrong with the Max stack after all?
Well, it's no going to kill you is about as positive as I can be. The doses are TINY and your system will barely acknowledge the active ingredients. For example, the 19-Norandrostenediol is dosed at 100mg, as it has poor bioavailability - you'd need at least 900mg ED to have a decent effect.


Posted by: Purdue Power

It is the 4-Androsteindione that you want to avoid because it converts to estrogen, but the 4-Androsteindiol is the 4AD that you want. It is all confusing. Make sure that you eat massive amounts of food when you are on it. Try eating every 2-3 hours, getting 30-40g of protein per meal, and keep your carbs up too. Go for lots of brown rice, oatmeal, and veggies. You testosterone levels will be so high that it will all go to muscle. You will lose some definition during your cycle due to water retention, but it will easily come off once you are done. Keep you eating up during your pct, too, or you will lose most of the size and stregth that you gained. And don't get greedy with your dosage. With it being your first cycle, you won't need a whole lot to see results.


Posted by: MikeLawry

hey pirate, redspy and purdue thanks for the advice!
one last question, will I get gyno using that max stack and/or S1+ ? and will 6 oxo be enough? because I can't seem to get my hands on nolvadex.

Thanks


Posted by: redspy

Max Stack won't do anything, let alone give you gyno. Some people are more prone to gyno than others so there are no guarantees. 6-OXO will do absolutely nothing to address gyno issues, only Nolvadex is fit for the purpose. Nolvadex can be sourced for "research purposes" from a number of sites, e.g. customnutritionwarehouse.com, physicalenhancement.com. Don't start your cycle until Nolvadex is literally in your hand, you might regret it otherwise.

Look around the achives here and you'll be good to go. Using PHs isn't like popping vitamins, they must be researched and respected.


Posted by: Pirate!




Posted by: Purdue Power

I trust customnutritionwarehouse.com as a good site. Not that the others aren't, but just to let you know that you will be in good hands with them.


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