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Posted by: oaktownboy

for those that aren't familiar with me, i am having some major stomach/intestine issues. i am always hungry; i had a stomachache the whole day today. i feel like the food goes right thru me. my doctor has run numerous blood tests and still hasn't found out what's wrong with me. he thinks it could be a liver problem, but he doesn't know. all i know is there's no way in hell i'm ever gonna lose weight or compete until i can get my appetite under control. i tried digestive enzymes, appetite suppresants, everything ..drinking 2 gallons a of water a day..nothng helps. Like my title says, at this point i am scared shitless. If my doctor can't firgure it out, i am going in on monday for the last time, i am gonna be in sum serious shit.it's drivin me crazy cuz i know somethin in my body is not workin, my doc can't figure it out.

Posted by: Pepper

could it be a parasite?

Posted by: BritChick

If this doctor can't find the problem and has run all the tests that he can I would still want to see another doctor to make sure that ALL options have been exhausted... there must be a cause for what you are going though.
Hope you can solve the mystery and are feeling better soon!

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by BritChick

If this doctor can't find the problem and has run all the tests that he can I would still want to see another doctor to make sure that ALL options have been exhausted... there must be a cause for what you are going though.
Hope you can solve the mystery and are feeling better soon!

Took the words of out my mouth. There are millions of doctors out there. You'll live.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Pepper

could it be a parasite?

i was thinking the same thing

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by BritChick

yeah, i decided that if he can't find out what's wrong with me, i would go to another doctor and or a hospital.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Pepper

could it be a parasite?

do u know how i can get rid of it?? do i have to take something?

Posted by: QuestionGuy

sorry man i feel bad for you, and i thought my apetite is crazy, good luck,

Posted by: oaktownboy

thanks QG

Posted by: hardasnails1973

First you need to know which one it is. There are several different types and different medicine for each one. Doctors can run all the fucken blood test they want it not going to show. Get a stool sample done and relax. I have been dealing with 10 months frm dr to dr so one day is not going to kill you. I have been told that i was crazy to that i was depressed to ibs, to lyme disease to aids, to parasites. Just do a little research like I did and eventually the answer will come to you, just hope it doesn't take 10 months to find out and may be lossing all your freinds, and dropping 40 lbs of lean muscle mass in the process plus missing 3 months of work, not being able to go out with freinds because to tired to get out of bed. THAT IS LIVING HELL ..It was probably something you or may be under cooked meat so chill out and relax. If you immune system is strong enough it will only last a few days and you be back to your normal self, but if you immune system is shot from over use of ephereine, daily stress from work and home. First place you need to look is adrenals bro becuae this is how mine ALL started. SO I am saving you along time of pain and agony. If they can not find any thing GET A 24 hour salvia cortisol test done to ck your levels, that is how I found out it my problem. Drs almost killed me by sticking me on thyroid medicines and upping the dosages with out even checking my adrenals. SO i am saving you thepain and suffering now...if they don;t find anyting go get a stool sample or satart a paracleanse and add some psyllium husk to your diet 6 grams once a day for a week then 2 times a day next week. COLONIX is a great colon and parastie cleaner. I have been through ever cleaning known to human body so if you need help pm me. Bascailly I am saying don;t play guessing games and get to the root of the problem. Over 70 % of illness comes from your colon !! and the main compent is impared adrenals function

Posted by: Monolith

Whats your diet like? Are you eating much fiber?

Posted by: oaktownboy

feel worse today..ate several myoplex bars, 1 hour after breakfast...went to the docotor and said he overbooked so i am going tomorrow..fuck i hate doctors, i'll take my money elsewhere fuck him..all i crave is sugar.i can't even do the simple stuff anynore..driving has become a challenge and college starts friday..yeah right, l;ike i'll be able to survive that

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Monolith

Whats your diet like? Are you eating much fiber?

well i eat plenty of yams/oatmeal,veggies

Posted by: Vieope

Maybe it is caused by bulking? People with morbid weight tend to have huge stomach because of eating and sometimes it doesn´t go back to normal. So they have to resolve the problem by surgery.
I guess it is more a psychological thing, that will be resolved with time.
You can start reading about amphetamines, they will reduce your appetite instantly. Of course the side effects are huge and you should read a lot before considering it.
Try the other doctor first. Get better man.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Maybe it is caused by bulking? People with morbid weight tend to have huge stomach because of eating and sometimes it doesn´t go back to normal. So they have to resolve the problem by surgery.
I guess it is more a psychological thing, that will be resolved with time.
You can start reading about amphetamines, they will reduce your appetite instantly. Of course the side effects are huge and you should read a lot before considering it.
Try the other doctor first. Get better man.

i've been cutting for several months now and it is definetly not psychological..i've had stomachaches all day long for he last several days with severe headaches..go to dcotor tomorrow and hopefully he will give me some meds..or else i might need sum kind of surgery

Posted by: oaktownboy

another thing..i've been having severe indigestion and gas...

Posted by: oaktownboy

well guess what? doctor says there's nothing wrong with me. in fact he thinks it's all psychological like vieope suggested. u can't pyschologically give urself a stomachache, can you? he said thyroid is normal, liver a little abnormal but nothing to worry about..nothing coems up on the blood test.he's referring me to a GI specialist. At this point i don't know what to think.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

welcome to the club !! GI specialist then colonscopy then endoscopy then they find nothing and label it IBS. Which is a bull shit term for I don't know. When they tell you the test results are fine THATS BULLSHIT !! get a copy of the test and see for your self. You may be "in range" but for what a sedentary person? An arm chair quater back? . My doctor Want me in the upper 80-90% of thyroid and testosterone, and other specific test. What thyroid tests did they run. If they ran a TSH only that means JACK SHIT !! YOU need to run free t-3, t-4, free t-3, free t-4 rt3, thyroid antibodies. Trust me I know all about this bull shit drs pull. Oh your mine your in range. I demanded to test for rt3 and BINGO it was found to be at top of the range which you DON"T want. RT3 is a worthless t-3 that body can not use and is elevated due to high stress levels, over training, internal stress, dieting, starvation, over use of caffine epeherine extra. PM me and I will show you tons of links to back up what I have been going through and after 10 months 40 lbs less I finally got answers.

Posted by: Weight39

Man, I've had stomach problems off and on all summer. It seems like they didn't start 'til I had an upper gi series in march. I've since had another and nothing's showed up.

Keep us updated.

Posted by: Rich46yo

Put yourself in a major medical center/teaching hospital for a day or two of tests. You got to get away from these shit little hospitals and GP practicioners. Fly to the Mayo clinic if you have to. Ya want to know how I helped myself with a terrible chronic pain condition? I picked up a phonebook, and started banging the internet, and found a specialist who could help me.

Thats right, after all the MDs I'd been to Im the one who made the move to help myself. Doctors, most MDs, by nature, dont like farming out their work to others. Its kinda like a car mechanic never wanting to send "his" work to another mechanic. I mean you didnt think they got into medicine for the welfare of humanity do you? They only say that when their being sued.

For the record there are MDs who truly have their patients best interests at heart and DO truly have high morale standards. Ive never really met any but they have to be there.

Oak what Im telling you is to take charge of your health and your life and make your own moves. You are empowered, in control, and you are strong.

Your going to be fine Oak, stop worrying yourself to death over it. Your not going to lose all that weight in a day anyway. Weight loss is a lifestyle change. STOP WORRYING!!!!!!

And take care of yourself.......................Rich

Posted by: oaktownboy

had a turkey sandwich..feel like i just got done with a hot dog eating contest..my stomach can't digest anything..all gas and indigestion. PURE HELLLLLLLL

Posted by: hardasnails1973

that is a sign of your body inablility to break down food which could be from severe reason

1) Anxiety from caffine , ephederine, relationships, school, or just even everyday life
2) over training, and ody shutting down
3) low stoamch acids resulting from the anxiety of what you put body into.

Like rich said just try to ignore it other wise you are going to stress your self out and make it even worse then it is. I still think the root of problem from your adrenals wether it be high or low cortisol just have to wait to find out from the test results. And then go from there. If it is high or elevated that is simple to correct relora 3 times a day with 100 mgs phospodystyl serisine 3 times a day with 5000 mgs vitamins C, glutemine, and rest and relax. Listen to medidation tapes before bed. If it is low then just. get a glandular support formula from wilsons t3 therapy I have the link. If you need it. I have a list of alot of natural herbs known as adaptogens that will help correct levels as well. They are actually just as strong as some of the drugs they give patience with no negative feed back loops or leaning off

Posted by: Vieope

I don´t understand how you are always hungry and have indigestion at the same time. It seems to me that your stomach loves the word irony.

Posted by: Pirate!

It is the protein that your body can't breakdown. That sort of problem usually begins with a virus that makes you sick for a day or two. After it runs it's course, your GI is out of wack for some time. You need to let it heal. If you want to confirm that it is the protein, do this: starting tomorrow morning on an empty stomach, eat nothing but fruit for 12 hours. Drink only water, and no supplements. Eat all you want, just make sure it is pure fruit, no sugar or oil added. This will strengthen your GI. You keep aggrevating it by trying to force all that protein in. The protein won't digest, so it putrifies--causing gas, bloating, indigestion, etc, and keeps your small intestine from being able to absorb nutrients. This is why you lack energy. I made the same mistake. I refused to give up my protein because I didn't want to lose any muscle or take time off from the gym. I fasted for a day, then ate only fruit for one day, and gradually introduced low-fiber starches and some lean protein back in. It took weeks to fully recover. Let us know how it goes. Your stomach must be completely empty before you eat fruit for a whole day.

Posted by: PreMier

Damn, this sucks -J

I would try what Pirate just posted. Couldnt hurt.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

It is the protein that your body can't breakdown. That sort of problem usually begins with a virus that makes you sick for a day or two. After it runs it's course, your GI is out of wack for some time. You need to let it heal. If you want to confirm that it is the protein, do this: starting tomorrow morning on an empty stomach, eat nothing but fruit for 12 hours. Drink only water, and no supplements. Eat all you want, just make sure it is pure fruit, no sugar or oil added. This will strengthen your GI. You keep aggrevating it by trying to force all that protein in. The protein won't digest, so it putrifies--causing gas, bloating, indigestion, etc, and keeps your small intestine from being able to absorb nutrients. This is why you lack energy. I made the same mistake. I refused to give up my protein because I didn't want to lose any muscle or take time off from the gym. I fasted for a day, then ate only fruit for one day, and gradually introduced low-fiber starches and some lean protein back in. It took weeks to fully recover. Let us know how it goes. Your stomach must be completely empty before you eat fruit for a whole day.

i'll try anything at this point. had my blood test today, tested for everything and i mean everything: test, t3, t4, thyroid, adrenal, metabolic component, creatinine, urinalysis. I'm also going to take saliva tests to see where my cortisol levels are. I also want to thanks HAN for all the help he's given me. I couldn't have done or learned most of this without him.

Posted by: oaktownboy

wanna know sumthin that's really scary? my mouth has bumps inside of it and my tongue is turning white..i have no idea in hell how i am supposed to go to school. i might have to take a semester off.

Posted by: PreMier

Thats weird man.. Holy shit.

Posted by: oaktownboy

update, normally i wouldn't say this, but since it hasn't happened in a while i feel it's important to say it. i actually took a crap today..feel much better. I been eating a lot of fruit and have started taking the supplements HAN recommended:vitmain b stress complex, relora, tyrosine, st johns wort, beta hcl, etc.got my saliva test i the mail today so i will start it tomorrow and ship it back asap. hopefully i will know the results of the blood test soon.

Posted by: Weight39

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

wanna know sumthin that's really scary? my mouth has bumps inside of it and my tongue is turning white...

Some people w/ acid reflux develop white tongues.

Anyway, glad to here you're feeling better.

Posted by: cops25

The white bumps/tongue could be thrush Click here for Info. One of the causes is a messed up immune system, which would coincide with PirateFromHell's theory about a virus throwing you out of whack.
It looks like your making some improvement, but you could always ask your Dr. to test for it just as piece of mind.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a speedy recovery bro. Keep us posted.

Posted by: oaktownboy

thanks...the hardes tpart is the hunger..i can't stop eating.I'm hunry all the time ,especially for sweets.My doctor doesn't give a damn either. I am taking these blood tests on my own, without my doctor's knowledge

Posted by: cops25

Have you been peeing alot? Did the Doc do a fasting test (blood sugar)?
Copied from Diabetic Symptoms

Some diabetes symptoms include:

Frequent urination
Excessive thirst
Extreme hunger
Unusual weight loss
Increased fatigue
Irritability
Blurry vision

I hate to keep bouncing different sites on you, but I'm only trying to help

Posted by: cops25

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..all i crave is sugar

This kinda raises suspicions towards a glycemic problem as well...
The water thing, especially in our chosen lifestyle, might not be a solid indicator...I drink close to 2 gallons as well, and my body is used to it to the point that I'm thirsty every hour if I dont have a glass...

This is another site that lists some symptoms: click here

What are the symptoms?

Diabetes is sometimes discovered by accident in people who have no symptoms. It is important to note that many people with Type 2 Diabetes often do not have symptoms. On the other hand, some people with diabetes have a variety of symptoms. These symptoms include:

Type 1 Diabetes
- Frequent urination
- Unusual, excessive thirst
- Extreme hunger
- Unusual weight loss
- Extreme fatigue
- Irritability
Type 2 Diabetes
- Any of the type 1 symptoms listed above
- Frequent infections
- Blurred vision
- Cuts/bruises that are slow to heal
- Tingling/numbness in the hands or feet
- Recurring skin, gum or bladder infections

Posted by: oaktownboy

i brought that up and guess what? My doctor doesn't think i have diabetes either. I've been talking with HAN and he thinks i might be hypoglycemic.

Posted by: cops25

I tend to agree with HAN. When I first started reading the posts, I thought it may be a stomache prob (I thought parasites too), but putting it all together, I't seems real likely.

So, since your Doc didnt "think" it was, I take it he didnt bother testing for it? I'd go to a different Doc

. I'd go in there and ask for a Fasting Plasma Glucose Test. The worst part of it (especially in your case), is the fasting...I have a few relatives with Type 2, and I had a scare a few years back...If you have any questions, your more than welcome to PM me (although it sounds like HAN has got your back

)

Posted by: hardasnails1973

http://www.consciouslivingsystems.com/gpage6.html

stress (over training, undereating, lifestlye in general) was the catylst for everything. Now what can be done about it, just have to wait for test to come back to see what direction you need to go !!

Posted by: oaktownboy

great link..yeah now i'm just waiting for the test results

Posted by: P-funk

are you going to an endocrinologist?

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by P-funk

are you going to an endocrinologist?

is that a hormone doctor? i have an appointment with a GI specialist for next thursday

Posted by: oaktownboy

well yesterday i felt pretty good..today i feel tired as hell..one day good;next day bad.

Posted by: oaktownboy

devloped a sore throat with cough...losing my voice..can't wait to see test results

Posted by: maniclion

Have you tried what PirateFromHell suggested? Don't fret over not eating protein for a while cause at this point you are going to make yourself very sick.

Here's another theory:
Are you drinking alot of water right before, during or directly after eating? Drinking too much water while eating can dilute your stomach acids and cause carbs to not be fully digested leading to bacterial growth in the stomach and what do bacteria love? Sugar.

Stomach Acid Self-Test: Determine if hydrochloric acid is needed by taking a tbsp. of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice. If this makes your heartburn go away, then you need more stomach acid. Sip apple cider vinegar mixed with water with meals. If it makes your symptoms worse, then you have too much HCL and shouldn't take enzymes that contain HCL

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Have you tried what PirateFromHell suggested? Don't fret over not eating protein for a while cause at this point you are going to make yourself very sick.

Here's another theory:
Are you drinking alot of water right before, during or directly after eating? Drinking too much water while eating can dilute your stomach acids and cause carbs to not be fully digested leading to bacterial growth in the stomach and what do bacteria love? Sugar.

Stomach Acid Self-Test: Determine if hydrochloric acid is needed by taking a tbsp. of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice. If this makes your heartburn go away, then you need more stomach acid. Sip apple cider vinegar mixed with water with meals. If it makes your symptoms worse, then you have too much HCL and shouldn't take enzymes that contain HCL

thanks for the advice..i've been squeezing up lemons and drinking the juice with my meals to add acids to my stomach.About the protein, i can barely take any in because my body just wants carbs. I've been eating a lot of cream of rice with flax seeds for digestion purposes.I definetly am not drinking a lot of water. In fact, I barely drink any water without feelin like i am going to vomit. weird isn't it?

Posted by: oaktownboy

got blood results back...test is very high..lol they said it was extremely high.But the hard part is my glucose levels are extremly low, abnormal even..i mean we are talkin lower than the lowest number on the range they gave me. not a good sign for my blood sugar which could explain the hunger for carbs and sugar...however my doc doesn't think i have diabetes (my cousin has a really bad case of diabetes btw) or hypoglycemia. he can eat a dick cuz i'm going to another doctor. GI specialist meeting next thursday. fuck i hate doctors

Posted by: cops25

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

...however my doc doesn't think i have diabetes (my cousin has a really bad case of diabetes btw) or hypoglycemia. he can eat a dick cuz i'm going to another doctor. GI specialist meeting next thursday. fuck i hate doctors

Good move (going to a different Doc). WTF does he think is is then? Just an "off" day???

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^he thinks i am fine and healthy.he says it's normal for sum readings to show as abnormal.i understand what he's thinking but i've been complaining of feeling starved, extreme hungry for carbs and sugars, indigestion and now the extremely low glucose readings. why does he not put 2 and 2 together?

Posted by: cops25

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

^^he thinks i am fine and healthy.he says it's normal for sum readings to show as abnormal.i understand what he's thinking but i've been complaining of feeling starved, extreme hungry for carbs and sugars, indigestion and now the extremely low glucose readings. why does he not put 2 and 2 together?

Exactly. He needs to learn more about treating the patient, NOT the symptoms. If it were a two day freak of nature, I could see his reasoning, but you've been suffering for awhile now.

Sorry to come off so strong about this stuff, but my time working in the hospital, and seeing what my wife deals with for the past 10 years (She works as a NICU RN), Ive seen all to many of those types, and it always gets me fired up.

Posted by: bandaidwoman

P-funk has the right idea, an endocrinologist would probably be a good specialist to see. I'm surprised your regular doc isn't refering you to one, your symptoms and problem are right up their alley. They would check for things like insulinomas that can cause some of your symptoms etc.

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

P-funk has the right idea, an endocrinologist would probably be a good specialist to see. I'm surprised your regular doc isn't refering you to one, your symptoms and problem are right up their alley. They would check for things like insulinomas that can cause some of your symptoms etc.

thanks for the suggestion...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I agree as well, but I think this was caused mainly by your dieting more then anything from low carbs and taking alot of caffine can make you insuliin resistant vs insulin sensitive. Plus you starved your self for so long that your body is now craving what it did not have for many weeks. Next step is going to see a speclialist or even a nutrirtionist may even be a better step IMO. The extra added fats to your meals should slow you down. You may want to try adding more fiberous vegetiables like some mung, aduki beans, kidney beans to your diet because that will also stabilize blood sugar as well

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Hypoglycemia is a physical condition which involves an abnormally low level of glucose in the blood. This occurs when there is an overproduction, or secretion of insulin from the pancreas.
Hypoglycemia can be an inherited disorder however there is a correlation between hypoglycemia and a poor diet. This increase in hypoglycemia due to an inadequate diet, includes a glut of over refined carbohydrates, white sugar, caffeine, and alcohol being consumed.

Individuals with hypoglycemia may experience such symptoms as shakiness, excessive hunger, abdominal pain, headache, light-headedness, irritability, cravings for sweets, and nervousness. The intensity of the symptom is determined by the length of time since the last meal. Individuals with hypoglycemia experience large surges of epinephrine in the bloodstream at the exact moment that they experience the symptom.

I believe this was all self inflicted and when you go see specilaist (endo) be honest with him with exactly what you took and did.

Posted by: oaktownboy

another huge problem i have been experiencing....urinating is becoming harder to do in the sense that i feel like i have to piss a lot, but when i do barely antyhing comes out and, belive it or not, it actually hurts. wakes me up in the middle of the night too...this has been happening for a while now and don't know if at all how this plays into what i am experiencing

Posted by: hardasnails1973

i think you put your self into a sub diabetic state that will take time to recovery from. Start adding more of the fiberous carbs such as the beans I stated but not at every meal may be 1-2 meals a day with some brown basmati rice. The fiber should help control blood sugar level. Keep taking the probiotics, they should help with digestion and assimulation of nutrients. if you get hungry hand full of nuts should balance you right out, but go see endo they would know more then a Gi. ALso do you may still be under stress and also you did got back to training. I would go 3 TIMES A WEEK for a while becuase you still could be in over training mode. Up vitamin C and take loads of glutemine even inbetweeen meals to stabilize blood sugar

Posted by: oaktownboy

today i feel like throwing up...tired no way i can work out..hopeless because i don't know what's wrong with me and i gotta get back to school.I have never been this depressed my entire life.

Posted by: oaktownboy

oh yeah and while the hunger has subsided a bit, i am now thristy all the time and seem to urinate almost every second.one day i am good, the next day i feel hungover. the urinating problem is really bpthering me because it has been getting worse and worse. and it hurts to piss too

Posted by: hardasnails1973

that may be the rebound affect from the prolonged dieting. Ck to see if your tongue is white and coated. Don;t let your self get depressed other wise its going to through you deeper into more problems. Stay positive and focus and try not to think about it so much. I know it is difficult, but some times you have to get worse before getting better. I have been on this roller coaster rid for 10 months. Frequent urination is related to irregular blood sugar levels. Just hang in there and things will get better

Posted by: oaktownboy

went to GI guy..says there's nothing wrong with me and thinks i have a psychological problem and have an eating disorder. he gave me the option of fasting and comin in and gettin drugged while they slip a tube down my throat to look into my stomach.I guess that's my only option now.

Posted by: oaktownboy

and i feel like shit and want to sleep

Posted by: gr81

shit Oak, I just saw this mayn. hope you get this 'ish taken care of quick. good luck bro. do what you gotta do to handle things, and most importantly keep that head up..

Posted by: P-funk

Man, what the hell. Either you have some strange virus or really shitty doctors (as sad as that may sound nothing scares me more than shitty doctors.). I hope you feel better soon bro.

Posted by: Vieope

Oak, I wish you the best as well.

Posted by: oaktownboy

endoscopy said i ws perfectly healthy..which is bs..now i am taking saliva and hair test out of my own pocket..fuckin doctor..don't know shit..anywayz that's where i am now..still out of skool but will have to go back next semester cured or not

Posted by: Cold Iron

fucc thats sucks bro. I know how youre feeling. I was at a point in my life, going through all kinds of examinations and tests etc.. When all the sudden i didnt even care what I had, I just wanted to get diagnosed with something, anything, just to ease the mind and get on with life.

Keep your head up bro and good luck

Posted by: hardasnails1973

DR need to look for the cause not the symptoms. IF you have a head ache you take aspirin, but is the cause of the head ache aspirin deficiency NO. Majority of drs just use medicine as a band aid. Its all about prescribing drugs and getting a kick back. The dr I am working with s excellent and is a MD DO, but He also keeps an open mind. As long as I can present evidence of what I am suggesting he goes right along and acutall have applied what things I have presented him. I mean we have done ever test and he was the dr that suggested the salvia test and that is where alot of information should up, but not the cause. He wants to eradicate the cause which we beleive is a combination of mineral defciency (ca, zn, iodine) from strict dieting and also a yeast infection which resulted from weaken immune system. Number one cause was stress but was it internal then went mental that we will never know !! Just hang in there. I am also waiting for my hair to grow so I can do a hair anaysis which is covered by insurance

Posted by: Weight39

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

endoscopy said i ws perfectly healthy..which is bs..now i am taking saliva and hair test out of my own pocket..fuckin doctor..don't know shit..anywayz that's where i am now..still out of skool but will have to go back next semester cured or not

Thanks for the update. I was wondering how you were doing.

Posted by: Weight39

This may be of interest to some of you: http://www.becomehealthynow.com/freetests/

After the test, you'll schedule a free telephone consultation. A dr. will phone you.

I've completed the test and have had the consultation. All that was suggested to me was stool test. They would then analyze it and look for vitamin and mineral defiencies. Because it $200 or so dollars, I chose not to do it.

Posted by: oaktownboy

started accupuncture today and boy did it feel great..needles were very thin so i couldnt feel them at all..afterward when the needles were taken out i felt very relaxed and tired..felt like sleeping..one needle struck me particularly hard. it was one she had placed near my left ankle. she said this was a digestive channel..go figure..she said my body is full of heat and the needles will bring coolness to my body. hopefully the accupuncture will solve my problems--J

Posted by: hardasnails1973

yeah that one hits me hard as well, plus some times in between the web of the thumb and pointer. Let me guess you had one needle on right and left inner anke, on outer shin, an inch above belly button, right and left hand inbetween thumb and pointer, one on back of each ear on high side, last one right smack in middle of head LOL

Lesson we should learn from this

1) take extra b ,c, and mg, calcium,when dieting
2) caffine wipes out your electrolytes and you have to replace them
3) if not careful your body creates an acidic environment where you are subceptible to virus.
4) be sure to identify symptoms of caffine with drawl (high anixety, elevated cortisol levels, depression, elevation in body temperature at first then it immediately drops)
5) using caffine in moderation is fine but it will strip you of several vitamins and minerals causing many symptoms of other disaeases which will drive cause you more stress trying to figure things out.
6) when using caffine please use an adrenal cortex, or adrenal glandular to help support adrenal glands. Caffine puts a whipping on them and if goes on for to long can cause gastro, nervous, horonal impaction that I found out to be devasting.
7) MARK MY WORD THIS WILL BE HAPPENING TO ALOT MORE PEOPLE AS OF NOW THERE HAVE BEEN 3 THAT IT HAS IMPACTED SO FAR AND MANY MORE I AM SURE ARE SUFFERING FROM NOT THE FULL BLOWN EFFECT, BUT IN TIME IF PRECAUTIONS ARE NOT TAKEN IT WILL HAPPEN.

People on thyroid medicine and are not doing well better have a 24 hour adrenal test done to see where cortisol levels are. I was bed ridden for 4 days becuase dr upped thyroid will out adrenal support. I even got symptoms of addsions disease becuase of it !!

http://user.icx.net/~drherb/caffeine.html

YOu are going to see alot more people fall from this condition and the medical community will not recognize it unless they have "tests" to prove it. And then you are either "in the range or out of range" depending on where you fall. Thats why I like my GP so much he throws away test and treats you on how you feel but uses tests as a tool rather then what his final decision is made from.

Posted by: oaktownboy

not feelin much better..am i takin adrenal cortex to raise levels and supergreen formula to eliminate heavy metals but i still feel like crap and at this stage i am pretty hopeless..i really dont know what else to do

Posted by: oaktownboy

oh yeh i forgot to say i am takin large amounts of niacin to flush out the toxins..

Posted by: BoneCrusher

OTB I don't know my ass from my elbow here But I will say good luck man. I've read through this thread and thought as I read "Man this dude is one tough SOB". Staying functional as you deal with this takes balls! You have my respect ...

Posted by: oaktownboy

thanks cuz...u dont know how many times ive come real close to blowin my brains out with one of my dads guns..shit is crazy.i never have any energy..doctor thinks i am fine..MAYBE I DIDNT STATE THIS WELL ENUFF BUT IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE WITH ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS OR HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ME, PLEASE POST THEM.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

been there bro nothing you can control if you are lacking something neurologically. I was found to have low trytophan levels which was affecting my chemistry becuase of the malabsorption of the candida and the parasite from sushi. Now i know what the cause is an we are correcting it through nutritional supplmenentation and herbs to kill the shit. From what you are suffering it sounds like you serotioninn levels may be low from all of the dieting you were doing and ver traning your symptoms are identical to mine. Anxiety leading into depression. At this stage your body sucks up b complexes iron A,C,E and then adrenals go ,immune sytsem then your thyroid is next followed by testosterone and then chronic fatique. Get to a alternative medcine person no medical dr will find what you have. I had candida blood test and turned out negative, thats ecuase it was in my tissues not in my blood. 3-4 months from now i would have been dead !! It would have gotten into system and gone to my heart brain kidneys and shut me down copletely. thank god I was persistant and following my instinct or i would haeve died earlier

Posted by: cman

Seems like you have tried every thing but a Chiropractor. If the docs can't find it and Acupuncture seemed to help, you may have a pinched nerv. My old man used to compete, thought he was indestuctible cause of his huge size. His upper body had alot of mass. He was jumping off of Dock's alot and pinched some nerves, Now 40 years later, it still acts up. He says he will go through times where if he eats more than 2 bites he pukes. he will take 3 hrs to eat dinner, 2 bites then wait 20 min eat 2 bites and so on. then one day he will move a certain way, his back pops and he can eat normal for a while. lasts 6 to 8 months at a time. When he goes to a chiropractor now it clears right up.
Has different symptoms some times. Doc's can't find anything, say he is as healthy as a horse.

May want to check on it. Hope you figure it out bro. ending things would not be the right thing. in 20 years you will think man, I'm glad I hung on. Believe me, I know.
Your stuggling IM bro, Chuck
I will be checking for results, keep us posted. we may all be able to think tank thru this one.

Posted by: cman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

been there bro nothing you can control if you are lacking something neurologically. I was found to have low trytophan levels which was affecting my chemistry becuase of the malabsorption of the candida and the parasite from sushi. Now i know what the cause is an we are correcting it through nutritional supplmenentation and herbs to kill the shit. From what you are suffering it sounds like you serotioninn levels may be low from all of the dieting you were doing and ver traning your symptoms are identical to mine. Anxiety leading into depression. At this stage your body sucks up b complexes iron A,C,E and then adrenals go ,immune sytsem then your thyroid is next followed by testosterone and then chronic fatique. Get to a alternative medcine person no medical dr will find what you have. I had candida blood test and turned out negative, thats ecuase it was in my tissues not in my blood. 3-4 months from now i would have been dead !! It would have gotten into system and gone to my heart brain kidneys and shut me down copletely. thank god I was persistant and following my instinct or i would haeve died earlier

Sorry I missed this post. I believe an alternative med doc is way way better than a reg doc for reasons to long and boring to go into, but this is also another good direction. They do not have their pockets lined with Pharmacy money. They look for ways to enable your body to heal itself, not bandaid it with a 5$ pill you take the rest of your life. Ive tried some of their methods and they have worked well with me.
Especially the garlic drops for ear infections.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

good point - possible hiatal hernia could be another factor as well..

Posted by: oaktownboy

well here's an update..i feel worse than eva..stomachache and headache all day long..felt like throwin up...my body cant take much..basically soup ,fruit, sum ice cream..vegetables make me feel worse for sum reason..i just took a urine,blood,and stool test..returned normal...im am basically out of options..tryin to get a stomach acid test to see if i have the necessary components to break down nutrients..im surprised i havent blown my brains out yet...i aint gettin better and it sure doesnt look like i eva will..i keep gainin fat and losin muscle..shit is depressin..oh yeah happy new year..fuck that

Posted by: PreMier

Damn bro. I cant even imagine the shit you must be going through. Im sorry that you arent getting better, and cant find whats wrong. Thats fucked up.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Damn bro. I cant even imagine the shit you must be going through. Im sorry that you arent getting better, and cant find whats wrong. Thats fucked up.

thanks cuz..yeah mayne i really dont know what to do...im just eating whatever i feel like i now...the worst part is my dad is givin me straight hell...hes threatin to throw me onto the street if i dont start makin money fast which is pretty hard when sum days i dont have enuff energy to even drive

Posted by: oaktownboy

goin to see doctor in an hour..see what happens...

Posted by: oaktownboy

Well here's what happened....nothing...tests are negative for parasites, pathogens etc..will have to go a GI specialist for stomach acid test..thats right...doctor cant find anything wrong with me...whats new...i might just blow my brains to end this shit..i aint livin the rest of my life sick

Posted by: maniclion

Have you ruled out a pinched nerve as C-Man suggested above? The nervous system can do some crazy stuff, look at how the acupuncture helped out.

Posted by: Vieope

Are you doing anything different from what you used to do? Working in a different place? Eating in a different place? Maybe this is an alergic reaction to some substance.
Get better man. That must be awful.

edit: I am sorry if you already answered to those questions, I couldn´t read the whole thread and updates yet.

Posted by: seven11

holly shit man i feel so bad for your bro hang in the man, i hope u get better

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by cman

Seems like you have tried every thing but a Chiropractor. If the docs can't find it and Acupuncture seemed to help, you may have a pinched nerv. My old man used to compete, thought he was indestuctible cause of his huge size. His upper body had alot of mass. He was jumping off of Dock's alot and pinched some nerves, Now 40 years later, it still acts up. He says he will go through times where if he eats more than 2 bites he pukes. he will take 3 hrs to eat dinner, 2 bites then wait 20 min eat 2 bites and so on. then one day he will move a certain way, his back pops and he can eat normal for a while. lasts 6 to 8 months at a time. When he goes to a chiropractor now it clears right up.
Has different symptoms some times. Doc's can't find anything, say he is as healthy as a horse.

May want to check on it. Hope you figure it out bro. ending things would not be the right thing. in 20 years you will think man, I'm glad I hung on. Believe me, I know.
Your stuggling IM bro, Chuck
I will be checking for results, keep us posted. we may all be able to think tank thru this one.

ok maybe i should check a chiropractor out..i guess it couldnt hurt anything, except my wallet.

Posted by: oaktownboy

ok well my homeopath has determined i have hashimotos thyroiditis ..my doctor has put me on synthroid 0.05 mg first thing in the morning..dosage will be increased if i dont get netter in 1-2 weeks///hopefully this synthroid will solve the energy and digestion problems

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

ok well my homeopath has determined i have hashimotos thyroiditis ..my doctor has put me on synthroid 0.05 mg first thing in the morning..dosage will be increased if i dont get netter in 1-2 weeks///hopefully this synthroid will solve the energy and digestion problems

man this is really great news!! I am so excited for you. You are going to feel so much better. I have a freind that blew out his thyroid after being in a coma. Cytomel is what he takes and it works wonders for him.

Posted by: Cold Iron

im really happy for you, i cant imagine how good youre feeling.

Keep us posted....

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Please do keep us all posted OTB. When you talk about eating a bullet you freak people out. Then when we see no posts from you we all get worried and start thinking you offfed yourself. Stop in and let us know you're still here. It may not seam like much but people you don't even know read your posts and feel your pain ... let us all know whadup.

Posted by: maniclion

Oak's too tough to actually hurt himself he was just making an expression of how bad he was feeling. Hope the current diagnosis is correct and you can get your ass back in gear.

Posted by: oaktownboy

sum good news..2 days on the synthroids...no more stomach and headaches..this could be a very good sign of things to come..now i need to get the digestion in order and the fuckin anxiety which will not go away..u know the feeling of beong able to breathe in and exhale..i havent been able to do that deeply since last august...hopefully this will correct that problem as well

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Fuckin awesome

Posted by: thatguy

Great news. Hope it keeps up...

Posted by: thatguy

I just realized I used the same smiley...

Sorry, BoneCrusher. Didn't mean to steal your thunder.

How about this?

Posted by: P-funk

good shit man. let the medecine take action. one day at a time bro!!

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Congrats bro glad you figured it out !!

Posted by: oaktownboy

maybe maybe not...i still have problems breathing and i dont know how this relates to my thyroid

Posted by: Rocco32

Hey OTB. Good luck with everything and your doing a great job hanging in there!

Posted by: hardasnails1973

thyroid comtrols respiratory rate as well, but constipation can back you up as welll so you got to get things moving when ever constipated really back it presses on diaghram and causes pressure on air supply

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^interestin...yeh i thought i would never say this but it feels better when i dont breathe..doesnt hurt quite as much

Posted by: oaktownboy

well i've been on synthroid for 2 weeks...today my stomach and headaches have returned in full force..my energy is still shit and im beginning to wonder if its just my thyroid thats fucked up..my adrenals are prolly way off as well and i have no idea where my melatonin and serotonin levels are at either...my memory is shit..it hurts to think..even driving is a nightmare..a few days of the week around bedtime i get this horrible anxiety and i cant stop hyperventilating...i dont get out of the house much..i cant even make the easiest decisions of where to go or eat..its like my body has turned against me

Posted by: BoneCrusher

For me to tell you to hang in there is some how fucked up to me in some way. I'm not you. I'm not living with the shit you are. I've had my own nightmares to deal with ... really fucked up intense pain from a motorcycle crash ... but to say I can relate is also bullshit for the same reasons. My fucked up troubles and the agony you are living with are not the same. But I feel your pain in the words you post and I'd say "Hang in there man" but that just sounds lame to me.

Just don't give up OTB.

Have you got a website or homepage set up? An online journal someone qualified can look at?

Posted by: mikeruurds

OTB. I couldn't begin to understand how u r feeling.

Just hang in there man. I hope u feel better soon.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

For me to tell you to hang in there is some how fucked up to me in some way. I'm not you. I'm not living with the shit you are. I've had my own nightmares to deal with ... really fucked up intense pain from a motorcycle crash ... but to say I can relate is also bullshit for the same reasons. My fucked up troubles and the agony you are living with are not the same. But I feel your pain in the words you post and I'd say "Hang in there man" but that just sounds lame to me.

Just don't give up OTB.

Have you got a website or homepage set up? An online journal someone qualified can look at?

thanks BC that means a lot to me....my memory is so bad im beginning to forget my friends' names...im sure the shit uve gone thru is just as worse with the motorcycle crash...my dad got in a motorcycle accident when he was a teen..and that was when it wasnt law to wear helmets..he ended up gettin a concussion...but yeh ive been like this since august..im missing sum of the best years of my life from this shit

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Oaktown boy this would be my suggestion being on thyroid for aleast 4 weeks if I where you i would want a base line reading of all blood readings. CBC, metabolic panel, liver panel, kidney function , testosterone, cholesterol, dhea, progesterone, pregnolone, full thyroid panel (free t3, t4, t-3 uptake, rt3, antibodies), fsh, lh, cortisol free and total, RBC magnesium, iron levels, phosphate levels, carbonates, SAMME levels (tells if b12 or folate deficency) RBC zinc, copper, selenium, RBC b-12. This will tell you more then you need to know and give you a good starting point to compare in the future

when you get test results back it would be curious to seem if there is too much calcium in blood becuase if I remember right calcium is the gas pedal and potassium is the break. Thyroid control mechanism for calcium levels in the bloood. If your levels calcium levels are high then causes constipation, muscle weakness, anxiety, depressio, nausia, lack of appetite, no desire for protein , elevatedf blood pressure, head aches as well. Again this is just hypothesis. but hypercalcemia could run in conjuction with thyroid disorders because it is the thyroid that control the hormone that lowers blood levels blood levels. Listen to dr becuase hypercalcemia could be a symptom of the thyroid disorder, even though all symptoms are the same. Drs need to get to root of the problem which they have and not treat symptoms. I am going to talk to my ND tommorrow and see if lower my elevated calcium levels would releive some of my symptoms so my adrenals can repair faster with less stress put on them.

Once you get test back then you can compare with this that is how I started putting things together and seeing patterns

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

easiest way to determine if adrenals are in play is take temperature first thing in the morning then again then 4 hours later again 2 more time. if temperature stays constant then your adrenals are fine. if it is low in the morning and then rises dramatically and fluctuates through out day then adrenals may need to be addressed. if you feel better before starting thyroid and then notice things getting worse (more headaches, more fatique, cloudier thinking , or symptoms just get worse, ) then adrenals needed to be addressed. This is way you increase dosages slow other wise too fast you WILL crash if adrenals are not operating so your dr is smart at starting lower dosages.

Posted by: DAcre

You could have a thyroid disorder. get your doctor to check for levels of t3 etc. If your always hungry, you will most likely have a hyperactive thyroid. They can control it to a certain extent, and even if they couldn't control it all they do is nuke it and give you medication such as Thyroxin everyday (Tablet form). Also did you notice that you kept on loosing weight? skin beneath eyes sagging, almost look like as if you've had 10 minutes sleep for a whole week? My mum had this same problem last year, so thought i'd comment.

Posted by: sara

oaktownboy, Im so sorry to hear about everything you been going through

The only thing I would suggest is dont let it ruin you. You gotta fight it!!!
Take care buddy

Posted by: hardasnails1973

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this is interesting READ IT!!

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

http://members.cox.net/cherbend/Hypo...lsHypoPage.htm

this is interesting READ IT!!

just take more selennium? seems like a simple solution 2 the problem

Posted by: Taffin

Your problems remind me a lot of my own. I was diagosed with hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) a long time ago and have been taking Synthroid for a long time. But I still didn't feel totally better. I was still depressed and still had severe gastro problems. My idiot doctor just told me to take Metamucil and then sent me to a specialist who also told me to take Metamucil. I finally went to see a different gastrointerologist who actually knew what was going on and said I probably had Ulcerative Colitis or Crohn's Disease. I got tested and it was revealed that I have UC. There's no cure, but it is treatable/managable (bodybuilder Chris Zaino has it, btw). I was only diagnosed in Feb 04 and spent most of 2004 dealing with it. I had the good fortune to switch to a new doc when I moved back out to California and he has been extremely helpful. Today, I am in remission thanks to medication, working out, and proper nutrition.

My advice to you is to seek a new doctor, particularly a digestive specialist (gastro doctor) and ask him about Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Inflammatory Bowel Disease. You could have one of these and if so, you must be treated or you will never get better. Visit ccfa.org in the meantime to read up on UC/Crohn's. Hopefully you don't have either of these, but if you do, you can beat it (especially with the help of fitness/nutrition).

Take care and I hope you feel better soon.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taffin

Your problems remind me a lot of my own. I was diagosed with hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) a long time ago and have been taking Synthroid for a long time. But I still didn't feel totally better. I was still depressed and still had severe gastro problems. My idiot doctor just told me to take Metamucil and then sent me to a specialist who also told me to take Metamucil. I finally went to see a different gastrointerologist who actually knew what was going on and said I probably had Ulcerative Colitis or Crohn's Disease. I got tested and it was revealed that I have UC. There's no cure, but it is treatable/managable (bodybuilder Chris Zaino has it, btw). I was only diagnosed in Feb 04 and spent most of 2004 dealing with it. I had the good fortune to switch to a new doc when I moved back out to California and he has been extremely helpful. Today, I am in remission thanks to medication, working out, and proper nutrition.

My advice to you is to seek a new doctor, particularly a digestive specialist (gastro doctor) and ask him about Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Inflammatory Bowel Disease. You could have one of these and if so, you must be treated or you will never get better. Visit ccfa.org in the meantime to read up on UC/Crohn's. Hopefully you don't have either of these, but if you do, you can beat it (especially with the help of fitness/nutrition).

Take care and I hope you feel better soon.

yeh my gastro diagnosed me with IBs but all he did was give me zelnorm but that did absolutely nothing...its particulary frightening to think that all my life i may have had a disease and not known about it...

Posted by: Jenny

Oak, I'm sorry you're going through this

A lady I know have a really really bad case of candida. She can't eat, she has a really hard time breathing and her vocal cords are full of candida too so she can hardly speak. The candida is in her ears, her mouth, her stomach, everywhere!! She throws up if she eats and can barely keep nutrition shakes down. She's had this since august but is slowly getting better.
Maybe you have candida too? Where do you live? My friend is going to an awesome homeopathic dr in the Chicago area.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny

Oak, I'm sorry you're going through this

that was one of the original ideas when i first got sick in august..i dunno now..

Posted by: Jenny

Well you should get it checked out. Have you taken a lot of antibiotics in the past?
My friend was so sick she almost died, she has candida in her lungs and it was really bad back in october.

Posted by: Jenny

Btw, my friends doctors did not diagnose her with candida.. She went to a countless number of doctors and they just didn't know what it was.. Then one diagnosed her with candida and she started her treatment.

Posted by: oaktownboy

what drugs are they giving her?

Posted by: Jenny

It's more about what she eats.. Eating things that won't make the candida grow.. Sugar is the worst thing she could ever have, feeds the candida.. there are a ton of things she can't eat.. Not sure what drugs she's taking if any.

Posted by: oaktownboy

if i dont eat sugar i will literally pass out..swear to god..weird shit..i think this has more to do with my thyroid though..

Posted by: Jenny

Alright, just trying to help

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Jenny

Alright, just trying to help

yeh i know girl..i appreciate it..trust me when u've been sick as long as i have all u have time for is sitting around thinking of all the possibilities..

Posted by: SJA

Have you tried Phenibut for your anxiety yet? You don't want to take it all the time or you will become immune to it, but it works wonders when things get out of control. Also, PS (as HAN suggested) and L-theanine will help with anxiety.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJA

Have you tried Phenibut for your anxiety yet? You don't want to take it all the time or you will become immune to it, but it works wonders when things get out of control. Also, PS (as HAN suggested) and L-theanine will help with anxiety.

the theanine didnt do much...nothing is doing much..i'm waiting on my homeopath to send me these new tests she wants me to take..i have no idea what they will include.i dont even have enuff energy to get up today..can't even drive..and my hunger keeps goin away, which i am afraid is not a good sign..been on synthroid for 2.5 weeks now and i actually feel worse...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

possible candida may have been slight part of the problem, but your hair analysis revealed several heavy metals which interfer with thyroid function and as I pointed out before they can be a possbile underlying cause of hashimotos disease. I think you are on the right track with the main problem the hashimotos which has clinical backing it up. i am sure you are lacking vital minerals and vitamins as well that are not helping the situation. Hashimotis you can have hypo symptoms on time and hyper another thats what makes it so challenging. Untill you get the PROPER testing done on the thyroid you will not know nothing more. I have an idea your rt3 are probably elevated causing mis leading results with your total t-3 readings which are absolutely worthless. The drs needs to look at the free t-4 free t-3 , rt3, anti-TPO, other antibody test. Tsh at this point is fucking worthless and a good dr will not even look at that and focus on lower the antibodies, lower the rt3, and bringing the ft4 and ft3 into the upper 3/4 procentile so you can function ago. If you had UC you would be shitting all the time and having the runs, blood coming out and alot of other unpleasant things. Focus on the hashimotos and POSSIBLE may be adrenals, but with out the rt3 and Ft3 reading one can not notice this will out looking into these figures. i know what you are going through I been there all you have to do is just stay postiive and not stress.

Posted by: oaktownboy

well new dr. refused to run those tests u mentioned...back to square 1...god must really have it in for me..too bad he won't just let me die

Posted by: BoneCrusher

What was his logic for not running the tests you required him to run?

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

What was his logic for not running the tests you required him to run?

he just said he didn't think that was the problem ..and that was that..he said he needed to feel like he approved it

Posted by: Cold Iron

tell him to fuck off and run it

Posted by: oaktownboy

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron

tell him to fuck off and run it

i tell him that i lose another doctor..i can't afford to do it again

Posted by: BoneCrusher

When you take your car in to get a tire fixed it is cut and dried. You know what you want, tell 'em, they do it 'n you're done.

YOUR body is the same. You bring the money to his pockets. You're the boss. He works for you. Does't matter if the HMO of whatever picks up the tab ... IT IS YOUR TAB THEY PICK UP BRO.

Doctors like to act as though they are your boss ... fix his attitude. Just because you're young don't be shy. Demand he treat you as you have been advised he treat you.

We can always sick FLEX on him if he don't get some act right ... I'll buy

Posted by: BoneCrusher

What was his diagnosis? What was his prescribed treatment(s) and solutions to your pain?

Posted by: oaktownboy

he know thinks i have a bi-polar disorder..i think i've had enough with him

Posted by: ZAGLOBA

After I injured my back I had to go to a lot of doctors and everyone told me it was a strain until I demanded an MRI.
You should speak up and question anything the doctor does that doesn't seem right to you. It's your time and money.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

OTB the world is full of sad shit 'bout people who did not push their needs on their docs. If you HAVE to stay with him crack the whip on his ass.

Posted by: oaktownboy

im gonna try to switch to a new doctor..it seems everyday is a living hell for me...one word to describe my childhood and teen years:short

Posted by: oaktownboy

well i'm gonna trasnfer to a new doctor...endo appointment next wednesday..see if he will run these blood tests..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Stick to the one dr and you will be fine. he specializes in hashimotos I will prepare a script for you. Let him make his own conclusion based upon following criteria

1. Salvia cortisol readings are abnormal
2. Heavy metals found in your hair all of which affect the thyroid and possible causes for hashimotos
3. your Thyroid profile verfies hashimotos based on elevated antibodies readings and also your Ft3 and RT3 are un known and serum t-3 is a piss poor indicator of actitive t-3 reading plus it is low for you as well needs to be upper 2/3 percentile. With Hashimoto there is also a conversion problem with t4-t3 and synthroid will not do shit, plus i am sure you are deficenct in several vitamins and minerals, make sure that they test for them

Drs will try to blame the cause on something that has nothing to do with the main problem. Depression and anxiety, slow digestion, bloating is a symptom of the cause of Hashimotos. Drs need to start looking for root problem instead of focusing on one symptoms. Shit you have better luck putting your symptoms on a dart board and throwing darts to see where it lands thats basicaly what they are doing. IT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR BODY NOT THERES

Posted by: sara

oaktownboy.. I hope this helps : https://www.healthcheckusa.com/locations.asp

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin, I found some vital information that reflects what is going on with you and it also happened to me.

Low ferritin causes mild to overt anemia, which in turn slows down the production of thyroid hormones and their utilization at the cellular level.

Most athletes are iron deficienctly when they are over training, NOT EATING RED MEAT (which I did as well NEVER DO IT AGAIN), and taking a multivitamin that is low in iron (I switched to a shitty one 6 weeks from contest), plus I stopped liver tabs as well so basically I had no sources of iron as well my immune system did not have any support either. Couple this with caffine blocking iron absorption which little we had all ready you are looking at mild anemia which affects your thyroid production as well as mental out put. I just got my ferritin test back and it was 30 (OMG) no wonder I can not convert t4-t3 so dr told me to increase my iron intake. Also with out iron in your body its not going to know one metal from another so this may be where your heavy metals where coming from. In lamens word we fucked our selves by not maintaining adequte mineral levels. I am sure you are deficienct in several and when you goto the drs you need to ask him and see if he can mineral test you there with taste test

Sarah I saw that as well !! and was going to suggest it to him as last resort but he is going to one of the top thyroid drs in the USA so he is in good hands

Posted by: oaktownboy

good looks HAN..ill be sure to ask for a mineral test as well

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I do know that my doctor, after finding out that my
ferritin was at the low end of normal ( I have Hashimotos), recommended
that I take iron supplements. She stated that higher ferritin levels make
one more able to convert T4 to T3.

ASK TO HAVE THE CK FERRITIN LEVELS BECUASE WE DID NOT EAT RED MEAT !!

Update 10 days on armour thyroid with adrenal support

joint pains disappeared that has been plaquing me for 8 months
temperature is 98.2 morning to night. feels good not to be cold
not sleeping in mid afternoon
stomach seems to be moving more then it was before
sleeping like a baby and I am tired by 10 pm every night
pain in feet are gone - athletes foot is indication of weak adrenals

If my theory is right once I raise my ferritin level my thyroid should self regulate it self and I can get off thyroid medicines and be normal again

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Effect of iron supplementation on thyroid hormone levels and resting metabolic rate in two college female athletes: a case study.

Harris Rosenzweig P, Volpe SL.

Department of Nutrition, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-1420, USA.

Iron plays an important role in thyroid hormone metabolism; thus, iron deficiency anemia may lead to alterations in resting metabolic rate (RMR). Based on this premise, two iron-deficient-anemic female athletes, 18 (A1) and 21 (A2) years of age, were supplemented with 23 mg/day of elemental iron to assess its effects on iron and thyroid hormone status and RMR at 0, 8, and 16 weeks. Anemia was clinically corrected in both subjects (hemoglobin: A1 = 11.0 to 13.0 to 12.6 g/dL and A2 = 11.5 to 13.9 to 12.6 g/dL, 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively). Serum ferritin (SF) concentration also improved in both subjects (A1: 5.0 to 11.0 to 15.0 ng/dL and A2: 5.0 to 16.0 to 20.0 ng/dL; 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively); however, 16 weeks of iron supplementation did not fully replete iron stores. A2 increased dietary iron and ascorbic acid intakes from 8 to 16 weeks, possibly accounting for her higher SF concentrations. RMR and total thyroxine changed over time: A1 increased while A2 decreased in these variables. Although clinical correction of iron deficiency anemia occurred after 16 weeks of low-level iron supplementation, RMR and thyroid hormone metabolism were oppositely affected in the two subjects.

Posted by: oaktownboy

went to new doctor recommended by HAN..said other doctors were full of shit and said they should have seen it comin for years from my blood tests results..he's gonna run sum more blood tests on me before prescribing armour..also says im hypoglycemic so i had to pick up a glycometer to measure blood-glucose levels...

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Good luck OTB ... glad to see something good in the works. Hope this Doc has more on the ball than the others did.

Posted by: oaktownboy

3rd day on armour..i feel like absolute shit...i'm hoping this is just my body responding to the new medication.i'll give up an update in 2-3 weeks.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Read My Post !!!

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

Wow,
I just read this whole post and I am in shock! I know you don't know me but I just wanted to say that I am so sorry about all your health issues. I do have a few questions (I'm sure you are sick of them, sorry) Were you sick as a child a lot?? Did anyone diagnose you with Panic Attacks? I definitely see that you are getting them, hyperventilating and a few other "stress" related things that you have mentioned. Do you have a fast heart beat?? Are you losing weight? Do you ever have a good "week"? As opposed to just good "days." Sorry for all the questions but I know that stress can wreck your body as well as 8,000,000 other things right??!! Have you ever been to a hospital for any of this? Okay, enough questions for now!
hope today is a good day

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin,
I told to my dr and said that you should have minerals tested. They did a serum zinc test on me and found out that I was low normal 741 (700-1200) and he wants me at 1100 or more. Zinc is a catylst for oer 300 reaction also those included in the brain. He looked at my fingernails and first words out of his mouth where ZINC. The real thing that triggered it off was the fact is that I did not eat red meat and also that eating alot of oatmeal blocks absorption of minerals from food namly zinc and iron. My ferritin levels where check and they where perfect but my serum levels zzinc came back low and these where taken on empty stomach first think in the morning when there where the highest. Right now I suggest a multi with 30 mgs zinc to 2 mgs of copper and ZMA before bed. But next chance you get goto the health food store that has metagenics products and get zinc talley test an this will give you a good indication of your zinc status

Posted by: seven11

woow man ur still dealing with this the last time i check was like couple of months ago i think... man just dont give up... ur ma hero not a lot of people can deal with shit like that and keep it cool like u do... i hope u get cured soon and dont stop searching man good luck

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin just hang in there and let the dr do his job. Its just a matter of adjusting the thyroid to get things right and things will be fine untill then its going to be a roller coaster ride. You may have alot of symtpoms that over lap with other conditions but your main one is your thyroid and correcting nutritional imbalances. Let the dr do his job and they will find them.

Posted by: oaktownboy

i went to the doctor again yesterday. he said in about 1.5 weeks i will have another blood test done to determine tsh levels and will adjust armour medication accordingly. In the meantime, I am being referred to a detoxification doctor who will help me in cleansing my body of all the heavy metals, especially lead, I have unknowingly and unexplainably accumulated over my life.that's about all i can do right now...

Posted by: P-funk

lead??

did they say how you got a dangerous amount in your blood system??

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I am glad you are finally getting the proper treatment. Once you get those metals out of our body it will give your body a better chance to rebalance itself. I may be joining you in detox as well.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

lead??

did they say how you got a dangerous amount in your blood system??

nope..no idea whatsoever..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

just went to my dr today and we discuseed certain varaibles that are contributing factors when dieting

Test ran
CBC
metabolic panel
plasma zinc
plasma copper
serum ceruoplasm - enzyme produced by copper if it is high then copper is high
alkaline phophatase - enzyme produced by zinc
homocysteine levels - incator of folic acid, zinc, b-6, b-12
cholsterol
full thyroid
testosterone
igf-1
dhea
pregnolone
cortisol AM
PTH - parathroid hormone tell if any calcium metabolism problems
vitamin D

I seem to think i am not copper defienct other wise ferritin levels would be on the low end and they are fine. I know I am zinc deficient 741 (700-1200) dr wants me at 1100

1. too much oatmeal - binds to other minerals (zinc iron magnesium,calcium)
2. over sexual activity - reduces zinc and selenium through ejaculation
3. Over traning and cardio - reduce zinc through sweating
4. Steroids - reduce zinc (needed to build muscle at fast rate)
5. Dextrose postworkout - strips body of zinc and several minerals
6. Stress at work
7. Reducing red meat intake -reduced zinc
8. increasing protein = increase demand for enzymes produced by zinc
9. caffine before breakfast = strips minerals as well

as you can see just by not absorbing right nutrients I was setting my self up for makjor problems. Zinc deficiency lead to hypothyroid stressing the adrenals causing them to lower testosterone and eventually burn out leaving and imbalance of more copper to zinc and possible more heavy metals such as cadnium, aluminum,mercury, lead. i will find this out next week when I do the piss test to find out. But thing pisses me off was that all the indicators where there along time ago and nothing was done!!

Posted by: maniclion

Did either of you go to a sports doctor? Someone who works with athletes? I think that may have been the problem since general practitioners are so used to dealing with the general population and not high performance machines like bodybuilders they probably don't get too many cases like these, most of their problems are fatasses with high cholesterol, blood pressure, sodium etc..

Posted by: maniclion

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

lead??

did they say how you got a dangerous amount in your blood system??

Hate to sound mean Oak but did you eat paint chips as a child?

Maybe the water pipes in his home or work place are old lead or have lead fittings? If at work he may have been ingesting a lot more than his fellow employees and suffered sooner since the average Joe doesn't drink alot of water.

Posted by: sara

I wish you the best of luck oaktownboy

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

I was thinking the paint chips too!

If you have lead poisoning than when you are detoxed you should feel a lot better! The lead has probably caused all of your problems. That sux. Glad they finally found it. Maniclion, you are right on the same track as I am!! Good luck to you oaktown!

Posted by: oaktownboy

thx

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Gustin,
I had a just feeling it might have been some yeast infection involved mainly from high protein diets and causing acid to the body. Also to add invaiable of caffine, ephederine major sweating and training and you are looking at mineral defciency mainly potassium which if that goes low it messes up with cellular nutrient transport so you may be absorbing your food but its not getting to the cells. I am going to go soon and have an RBC blood potassium level check because when I added up my precontest diet I was only getting 2000 mgs of potassium a day and with caffine ephederine 3 times a day for 12 weeks and heavy cardio with traning that is no where near enough to be sufficent. I needed more like 5000-8000 grams a day to compensate for the loss. I am absorbing all my minerals but they are not getting transported into the cell. I did an experminet thinking it was sodium I was low on and that was a mjor mistake. I almost ending up at the hospital becuase it caused m heart to race and profuse sweating. MY fever shoot up to 104

Posted by: oaktownboy

new doctor has me on antibiotics and i am starting chelation of heavy metals thursday..he's also requesting more blood tests..he thinks there's a good possibility i have Lyme's DIsease..don't ask how i could have acquired it...no idea..but he said it would explain for the heat, lack of energy, lack of minerals/vitamins, skin turning purple..he also pointed out that my feet are swelling..again i have no idea why they would be..i don't go out running or long walking..will give another update after detox session..pz

Posted by: PreMier

I hope you dont have lime disease(AKA rocky mountain fever). Do you live near a wooded area? Ever notice any ticks?

Posted by: oaktownboy

i live in oakland bruh...lol..no woods..just dirty streets..haha...i do have a dog that sometimes picks up ticks when I take her to the bay.

Posted by: PreMier

Just wondering, because Lime Disease is caused by infected ticks(usually deer). Not sure if you knew or not.

Posted by: oaktownboy

yeah i knew which is why it's so hard to comprehend me having it..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

And drs just wanted to give you anti depressants and I am so glad that you did not go that route. Lyme disease if not detected could have ended up into multiple sclorsis becuase that is what my brother has from it. He had a lesion at base of his spine and skull and over years it became 2 more and they grew. So I am glad that you caught it and get to route cause of things.

Posted by: Jenny

Two girls I know just found out they had lyme disease. They have just been tired all the time and couldn't do much at all.. Now they're going to start heavy antibiotics to try to get rid of it. They didn't have any GI symptoms though, which you have seemed to have.

Posted by: oaktownboy

im not saying i have lyme disease for sure..it's just a strong possibility..i still need a few blood tests run to confirm it...

Posted by: bandaidwoman

This is the best source of LYme disease information and I have worked personally with dr. Burrascano and find this site immensly informative. (ILADS ) Scroll down and see if you fit the symptoms. I have a few patients with neurological lyme's and have worked with him personally with them. Super nice guy.

http://www.ilads.org/burrascano_1102.htm

Lyme disease is still a clinical diagnosis because of the pitfalls of testing. I've had to confirm lyme's using the Bowen test.

Quote:

The ELISA test is unreliable, and misses 35% of culture proven Lyme (only 65% sensitivity!) and is unacceptable as the first step of a two step screening protocol. (By definition a screening test should have 95% sensitivity.)

Of patients with acute culture proven Lyme disease, 20-30% remain seronegative on serial Western Blot sampling. Antibody titers also appear to decline over time; thus, the IgG Western Blot is even less sensitive in detecting chronic Lyme infection yet the IgM Western Blot may work. For "epidemiological purposes" the CDC eliminated from the Western Blot analysis the reading of bands 31 and 34. These bands are so specific to Borrelia burgdorferi that they have been chosen for vaccine development. However, for patients not vaccinated for Lyme, a positive 31 or 34 band is highly indicative of Borrelia burgdorferi exposure.

When used as a part of a diagnostic evaluation for Lyme disease, the Western Blot should be performed by a laboratory that reads and reports on all 16 bands as part of their routine comprehensive analysis. Laboratories (such as SmithKline) that use FDA approved kits (for instance, Mardex's Marblot) are restricted from reporting all of the bands, as they must abide by the rules of the manufacturer. These rules are set up in accordance with the CDCs surveillance criteria. and increase the risk of false negative results. These kits may be OK for surveillance purposes, but offer too scanty of an analysis to be useful in patient management.

PCR assay and detection of pieces of the spirochete through antigen assays both give stronger indication of the presence of the Lyme pathogen; but currently these tests don’t conclusively prove that live Bb spirochete are present and causing active illness. PCR tests are now available, and although they are very specific, sensitivity remains poor, possibly less than 30%. This is because Bb causes a deep tissue infection and is only transiently found in body humors. Therefore, just as in routine blood culturing, multiple specimens must be collected to increase yield; a negative result does not rule out infection, but a positive one is significant.

5. Bowen "Rapid Identification of Borrelia burgdorferi" (RIBb). The Bb antigen is identified by the presence of fluorescing structures upon microscopy. At Bowen Research & Training Institute, Inc., located in Palm Harbor , Florida , ongoing research is being conducted using the Bowen Q-RIBb (Quantitative Rapid Identification of Borrelia burgdorferi) test developed by Dr. JoAnne Whitaker. Originally a CLIA approved lab until April of 2003, the institute, lacking in vital grant funding, changed its status from that of a clinical lab to a research facility under the State of Florida Health Department. Since its inception, the main focus at the institute has been the development of an accurate test for the Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) antigen, the causative agent of Lyme disease. The Bowen Q-RIBb test just recently received its preliminary US Patent approval. Although the Bowen Q-RiBb Test is not presently approved by the FDA for Lyme disease; an application for FDA approval is now pending.

Thus, if your tests are negative, find out what test were done!

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Simple blood antibodies test will determine if you have it or not. Personally If you do have it antibiotics will take care of it and be done with it becuase it still may be in early stages. Personally I still think the toxic metals and mineral imbalances from dieting. are the root cause. I did some thing very dangerous and almost ended up a trip to hospital but it gave me an indication where I was lacking. From dieting, caffine, 3 gallons of water a day and pissing like a race horse I most likely caused an electrolyte imbalance then add protein on top, dextrose post workout with no minerals to counteract acidity created. i through my body into a potassium deficiency and now I look back I was holding water in my face and around my ankle becuase body was holding on to the water and lossing the potassium = not good.

Posted by: oaktownboy

first detox session was today..2 hours for minerals...the other part consists of a 3 hour session for aminos..imagine sitting still for 3 hours with a needle in ur arm...not the greatest feeling...anyways i hope this gets me feeling better..also taking the prescribed antibiotics and am continuing my armour for my thyroid

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

first detox session was today..2 hours for minerals...the other part consists of a 3 hour session for aminos..imagine sitting still for 3 hours with a needle in ur arm...not the greatest feeling...anyways i hope this gets me feeling better..also taking the prescribed antibiotics and am continuing my armour for my thyroid

good luck oak.

Posted by: oaktownboy

the part i'm really confused about is why i have a hard time calming down...like if i get excited at all i start having these horrible breathing problems..must be a lack of certain vitamins or minerals in my body

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

It sounds to me like you are having panic attacks. Which is a chemical imbalance in the brain. You could be lacking seratonin. JMO
I thought that about 20 threads ago...tyou have symptoms of panic attacks...look into it.

Posted by: oaktownboy

on the flip side i get extremely suicidal and i can't stop thinking about the past..this a point which i really don't understand..i try all i can to think of the future but all my brain seems to be set on is makin my life a living hell..sometimes i start crying for no reason..i had such a bright future..i don't even have enoguh ebnergy to go to the doctor's today

Posted by: hardasnails1973

You out of balance and it takes time to get back into balance. Like I said I had major pains on bottom of my feet I have been upping my potassium and they have slowly going away. You have been lacking things for a while I had the same thing emotional out breaks for no reason at all, but I am doing better each day since i have been balancing things out with out throwing other things out of wack.. Its a fine line we rid and we tetter one way or another but drs are not use to dealing with athletes and only general public. When are bodies are out of balance we will feel it alot harder then average jow will. I keeped relfecting on pass as well becusae I want to get back to where I was.

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

Panic Disorder is a serious condition that around one out of every 75 people might experience. It usually appears during the teens or early adulthood, and while the exact causes are unclear, there does seem to be a connection with major life transitions that are potentially stressful: graduating from college, getting married, having a first child, and so on. There is also some evidence for a genetic predisposition; if a family member has suffered from panic disorder, you have an increased risk of suffering from it yourself, especially during a time in your life that is particularly stressful.

Panic Attacks: The Hallmark of Panic Disorder

A panic attack is a sudden surge of overwhelming fear that comes without warning and without any obvious reason. It is far more intense than the feeling of being 'stressed out' that most people experience. Symptoms of a panic attack include:

racing heartbeat
difficulty breathing, feeling as though you 'can't get enough air'
terror that is almost paralyzing
dizziness, lightheadedness or nausea
trembling, sweating, shaking
choking, chest pains
hot flashes, or sudden chills
tingling in fingers or toes ('pins and needles')
fear that you're going to go crazy or are about to die
depression

I stopped there because it's a lot to read and I know how you must feel about reading all of these "diagnosing you tips" let me know if you would ike to know more.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Some of the symptoms of potassium deficiency include: tiredness, high and low blood pressure, acne, dry eyes, irritability, irregular or rapid heartbeat, muscle weakness, depression, confusion, anxiety, insomnia, frail skeletal structure, bone and joint pain, decreased reflexes, high cholesterol, constipation, edema, and water retention. Respiratory problems, excessive thirst, evidence of protein in urine, less than adequate growth, infertility and headaches are other symptoms of potassium deficiency

To find out if you have a potassium deficiency a RBC Potassium test is only test will tell you serum will not show it

Posted by: oaktownboy

goin to next detox appointment...forcing myself is a better description..mayne why can't i just die

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

Definitely need something for depression and anxiety....

Posted by: Big Smoothy

I have been reading this thread for a long time.

I have just read through it from the first post to the last - at once.

Oaktown,

You very likely may have a chemical imbalance that is causing these symptoms.

I do believe that some, or most (not all), of your physical and mental problems are:

PSYCHOLOGICAL.

Whatever the reason, I hope you can get better and live a normal life without physical and mental pain.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

To make it simple oaktown boy got bombards with alot stress from all angles at one time and body just said it had enough and just shut down, but he continued to push and it pushed back even harder. He is headed in the right direction and it will take time to recovery. He has several metabolic road blocks that have to be cleared before things start to rebalance. The mistake people think is that it begins in their head first, but alot of scientist believe are now believing that it begins in your gut and not in your brain. Serotionon is not produced in the brain its produced in from the gut and crossses over the blood brain barrier. If any of the building blocks (amino acids) are not there from proper digestion brought on from chemical, mental, physical trauma then serotonin as well as other neurotransmiters will not be created. You can not build a mansion with out cement it just does not work. I have been down his road many of time and have been to psychologist and they told me "i am handling my situaition very well and there was really nothing really under lying." It was just trying to find a dr that would look a little further into things instead of saying I am fine nothing wrong. I had 2 drs wanted me on paxil and I told them to go shove it up their ass. I know my body and I knew I was missing something but drugs were not going to solve the problem only used as a band aid because drs I had were lazy and did not know how to handle my case. They could have ran all the blood test in the world but they would never find what I had becuase no blood test could have picked it up. It was just a snow ball effet from a simple electrolyte imbalance leading in acidosis and total system shut down..All I need was little more potassium to counteract acid from the protein in my diet, but since people at work complained about me eating all the time I had to replace meals with shakes and that reduced nutrients severally. oatmeal/ whey has very little potassium and it was just enough to through me off. Athletes need 4-5 grams potassium a day I was getting 2-3 grams anding caffinr epherine on top cardio, training, over consuming water I was settting my self up for problems

Posted by: oaktownboy

doctor is puttin me on sum zoloft for depression and he prescribed something for my axxiety

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Use what is necessary to get you past this hump untill you rebalance things

Posted by: oaktownboy

he prescribed xanax for the anxiety

Posted by: sara

Hey Oaktownboy

I'm no expert on this.. but I personally think alot of people here and doctors making your problem worse

I personally believe any illness we have, it can be treated on our own.. first it starts by being thankful of what we have

I hope your having a nice easter

Posted by: oaktownboy

i wish it were as simple as that baby

Posted by: Cogrick2

I have been checking this thread regularly. HAN continues making comments that impress me. His scientific knowledge seems sounds as well as his own empirical evidence.

I have been suffering from similar problems actually. Fluctuating energy levels, constant hunger combined with digestive discomfort, anxiety, and I often feel cold. Working out gives me quite a boost, but that boost is terminating quicker and quicker.

Good luck to you Oaktown Boy, as well as anyone else struggling with health issues right now.

If you want to read more about the brain-gut axis/connection, I would suggest looking up the "enteric nervous system." It concerns me that there is so little discussion of how the health of our gut affects our health. For example, I have seen reports of schizophrenia being linked to celiac disease (gluten allergy).

Imagine a person no longer hearing 'the devil's demands' by simply avoiding the consumption of bread.

[QUOTE=hardasnails1973] The mistake people think is that it begins in their head first, but alot of scientist believe are now believing that it begins in your gut and not in your brain. Serotonin (CORRECTED-Cogrick2) is not produced in the brain its produced in from the gut and crossses over the blood brain barrier.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Cogricks
They are same symtoms i expereinced !!! here are things I am doing right now that is making a major impact and some things to think about. As an athlete we put are bodies ar risk of running low on minerals. I dug up some research that should top athletes taking multivitamis and eating well still suffered from the big 3 Magnesium, zinc , b-6. If any one of these is low it will through your body into total chaos.

Zinc and Magnesium Deficiency Problems

Zinc and magnesium are critical for athletes, but deficiencies are prevalent, primarily because it is difficult to get the proper amounts—12 mg/day zinc for adults, 280 mg/day magnesium for women, 350 mg/day magnesium for men—through diet alone.1 USDA studies reveal that 68 percent of self-selected diets in the general population contain less than two-thirds of the RDA for zinc, 2 and 39 percent contain less than two-thirds of the RDA for magnesium.3

Although many foods contain zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B6 athletes rarely take in sufficient quantities. One reason may be that foods rich in these minerals—oysters and beef liver—are not diet staples.

Do athletes get sufficient zinc, magnesium, or vitamin B6 from their multiple vitamin/mineral supplements? In a study conducted at the department of physiology and applied nutrition at the Australian Institute of Sport, blood indicators of eight vitamins (A, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, E, and folate) and five minerals (calcium, copper, magnesium, phosphorus, and zinc) were measured in 86 athletes before and after a seven- to eight-month training period.4 During this time, half consumed a multivitamin/mineral supplement and a matched group took placebo. Afterwards, blood indicators of vitamins B1, B6, B12, and folate increased—but there were no effects on blood-mineral levels. These minerals may not have been absorbed because of competitive and antagonistic interactions. For example, zinc and magnesium are poorly absorbed when taken with calcium-containing foods or supplements. So why are combination calcium-magnesium supplements sold? Probably because they are both poorly absorbed and formulators are trying to increase their uptake by the body.

Research indicates that zinc deficiency in athletes can result in decreased blood levels of testosterone and IGF-1 (insulinlike growth factor), increased serum estrogen levels, and compromised androgen receptor activity.5 It is important to activate androgen receptors because they promote testosterone effectiveness.

Give you my scenerio

High protein diet with added sugar, not taking a multivitamin while eating a super clean diet did not matter. High protein diets with out added b-6 supplementation of 200-300 mgs a day will cause your body to run its supply low. When supplies of b-6 runs low this shuts down your stomach acid which you needed to assimultate magenesium and zinc into blood. If you go low in b-6 magnesium you willl experience anxiety, digestioin problems (meaning protein metabolisms comes to grinding halt) and then all that protein you are taking just lies undigested and is moved into the colon where it putrifies causing bacterial imbalances and infections. This infection then further cause nutrient malabsorption and lead to myriad of problems so you can see how the cycle begins when this continues for a long time you all other systems are affected and will leave drs basically throwing dart at board to what to treat first (symptoms not cause)

high protein - low b-6 - low stomach acid- mg, zinc mineral , amino acid deficeincy - putrification of gut - bad bacteria out way good - endocrine (testosterone , thyroid, adrenal malfunction )system stressed out - leave drs baffled and you going to dr to dr and not makng progress becuase all test are normal and you have not reached a diseased state !! Been there done this !!

here is what I suggest for you
1. magesium glycinate - albion patent NOTHING ELSE !! doctors best is cheapest
take 200-300 mgs 2-3 times a day with meals not with zinc or calcium becuase it interfers. This form of magesium will not cause diahreaad if it does then you are not deficienct
2. Add in 30 mgs zinc picolate no calcium binders before bed time
3. Since the process has begun it may be advisable to go with Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate which is active form of b-6 becuase if you are lacking zinc or magnesium then the conversion will not take place and you will be in a world of troulble
4. Find out potassium levels need to be @ 4,000 mgs plus for athetes add No salt to 2-3 of your feels as a safe guard or add in 1 99 mgs potassium gluconate pill with your meals...
5. Your diet may be too acidic and body may not be able the acid load from it and might be in a slight state of acidosis. Take ph urine and salvia first thing to see where it is to be safe
6. before bed it might be a good idea to get a relaxation tape and listen to it
7. also if working on computer all day long or late at night it depeltes your serotonin levels and can affeect melatonin levels resulting in restless sleep and elevated cortisol levels.
8. support digestion with pancreatin or digestive enzyme (super enzyme by twin lab the best !! ) just till body balances out

Are you taking any caffine
are you on high protein diet (above 300 grams a day)
are you under alot of stress (this depeletes b vitamins, magnesium and zinc as well)

are you starting to see the pattern and the vicious cycle and trust me this is just the beginning for many people. i am glad I experinced so that i can warn others so it does not happen to any one else. Even in my own clients I have made major changes to make their diets more health oriented because stress of today is not like it was years ago ....

I think the main thing you may lack is b-6 becuase with out b-6 magensium and zinc can not be metabolized and absorb into the cell

Vitamin B6

Vitamin B6 is a water-soluble vitamin that exists in three major chemical forms: pyridoxine, pyridoxal, and pyridoxamine. It performs a wide variety of functions in your body and is essential for your good health. For example, vitamin B6 is needed for more than 100 enzymes involved in protein metabolism. It is also essential for red blood cell metabolism. The nervous and immune systems need vitamin B6 to function efficiently, and it is also needed for the conversion of tryptophan (an amino acid) to niacin (a vitamin).

Hemoglobin within red blood cells carries oxygen to tissues. Your body needs vitamin B6 to make hemoglobin. Vitamin B6 also helps increase the amount of oxygen carried by hemoglobin. A vitamin B6 deficiency can result in a form of anemia that is similar to iron deficiency anemia.

Calories, protein, vitamins, and minerals are all important to your immune system because they promote the growth of white blood cells that directly fight infections. Because of its involvement in protein metabolism and cellular growth Vitamin B6 is important to the immune system. It helps maintain the health of lymphoid organs (thymus, spleen, and lymph nodes) that make your white blood cells. Animal studies show that a vitamin B6 deficiency can decrease your antibody production and suppress your immune response.

Vitamin B6 also helps maintain your blood glucose (sugar) within a normal range. When caloric intake is low your body needs vitamin B6 to help convert stored carbohydrate or other nutrients to glucose to maintain normal blood sugar levels. While a shortage of vitamin B6 will limit these functions, supplements of this vitamin do not enhance them in well-nourished individuals.

http://www.mgwater.com/index.shtml
http://www.ctds.info/zinc1.html

AS you can see zinc, magesium, b-6 are all used for aiding in depression and anxiety.

i had muscle spasms and eye ticks after adding in magensium they all went away in a day
One way you know you are low on b-6 is sensitivity to bright light, and also no dream recall in the morning
I am increasing b-6 till I can recall dreams then I will know I am at optimal dosage. As long s you use one I recommended there is no way you can OD (above 1,000 mgs a day for 2 years)
zinc you will have lack of sex drive and bad night vision
FYI magnesium reguates body temperature

see how everthing is connected !! just a slight deficiet is enough for an athlete to suffer and a normal person would not feel it at all
zinc effects thyroid, adrenals, testosterone, blood sugar level, neuotransmitters
magensium - adrenals, thyroid, testosterone, blood sugar level, neuotransmitters
b-6 - protein, carb, fat metabolism, needed to metabolize zinc and magesium,
needed for serotoin production.

Hope this helps

Posted by: oaktownboy

detox doctor thinks i have stomach ulcers and has prescribed nexium...went to thyroid dr yesterday...said detox doctor is onto something and said thyroid is not root of problem..refilled my current prescription of 15 mgs...i will be taking more blood tests for Lyme disease and a variety of other diseases and will continue the IV's and intramuscular shots

Posted by: hardasnails1973

why didn't asshole Gi specialist find this when you went first time !!
I agree it had been digestive track from the start resulting in casacade of events, but do what drs are telling you.

Posted by: Cogrick2

Great advice, HAN. You put a lot of time into that message and it is appreciated!

I will look into getting the zinc picolinate (30 mg.), magnesium glycinate (200-300mg), and pyridoxal-5-phosphate (200-300mg) for daily supplementation. I assume those are all available at the health food store.

I actually took magnesium glycinate for a while! It helped with digestive difficulties, but I don't know about mood and attention.

Avoiding caffeine will be extremely difficult. I will look at cutting back and avoiding it after 2PM.

Avoiding the computer late at night...another challenge, but doable.

Say, what kind of tests do you suggest I ask for in order to accurate measure my levels of these nutrients? In particular, potassium, since you recommended I get that tested.

Best!

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Cogrick
They are same symtoms i expereinced !!! here are things I am doing right now that is making a major impact and some things to think about...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

simple solution to caffine is to switch over to green tea or better add in 1000 mgs of tyrosine it will wake you up with out the jitters plus it will help stimulate thyroid as well as aid in adrenal function. According to many studies (bandaid women can back me up here) they are saying athletes require double the amount of magesium then RDA. with magnesium if you take too much then you get diahrea but with glycinate that should not happen at all. take the active b-6 with magesium it wil work synergistically and do not take mag same time calcium or zinc they interfer.

Test for minerals and vitamin need to be run for active form
RBC potassium, magnesium zinc, active for b-6,
but again your body is your guide. if you body is low it will crave certain foods.

Why do women crave chocolate on peroids. it wants the magesium to help balance hormones out as well as blood sugar. Body will give you signals we just have to be co herent of them.

with potassium it may be advisiable to find out your income your self and then add either no salt on a few meals or add in some dulse 1-2 meals to increase it.
unless you have a kidney problem more potassium the better especially with athletes
(6,000 mgs a day plus we need) but you also need to watch body does not get to acidic from protein and grains so veggies will balance things out.
good ratio is 1:4-5 na to k. our ancestors ate ratio of 1:6 and never had near heart problems we have to day. If its not broke don't fix it

My personal opinoin bodybuilders diets are too acidic and they are not taking enough alkalizing nutrients to counteract it. Potassium is known as the great alkalizer. Atkins diet people loose calium becuase the body pulls calcium from bones to neutralize the acid from the protein and fat. plus people on high fat diets are more prone to magnesium deficiency becuase fat blocks magesium from being absorbed in the body. if you are indoors alot being winter time I know this sounds crazy but people with lack of sunlight will cause major distruptions in calcium metabolism and will make body highly acidic causing major anxiety and digestion problems.

www.lef.org its a free site

Posted by: oaktownboy

by this friday i will know if i have Lyme's or a few other diseases

Posted by: oaktownboy

getting an colonoscopy...

Posted by: katie64

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doctor is puttin me on sum zoloft for depression and he prescribed something for my axxiety

Hey Oak...........sorry to read your still having problems, I think Zoloft may not be the best thing for you as it will make you more anxious, thus the reason he has prescribed you an anxiety med......do some research on celexa, paxil or effexor, not effexor xr, that will make you anxious as well, it has a lift in it, if you have stomach ulsers, any meds will irritate it, good luck, I'm going to re-read this thread, I've had many health issues, at least 30 blood test and finally found out what was wrong, which was something I had been diagnosed with 13 yrs ago........also any pain meds you may be taken can alter your blood test, make sure you don't take anything at least 24 hrs before the blood work, in '02 they said I had Lupus but it was a false positive test due to the celebrex I was taken, just a thought, take care........Katie

Posted by: Cogrick2

Good for you, Oaktown. I am all in favor of getting any diagnostic tests you can afford. Keep us updated and remember, our thoughts are with you.

Posted by: Cogrick2

Zoloft greatly reduces anxiety for some.

You make a good point though. I think it's important that anyone put on psychotropic meds. be prepared for paradoxical side-effects.

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Hey Oak...........sorry to read your still having problems, I think Zoloft may not be the best thing for you as it will make you more anxious,

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin just got my labs back
my copper levels are DANGEROUSLY LOW and also vitamin D that is why my thryoid medicine is not working becuase in order for thyroid medicine to work your need to have iron metabolised and with out copper it will not metabolize and there for you will get all the wonderful symptoms of anemia which I have been having for so long but it was not from iron it is from lack of copper. So it might be advisible to have serum copper,ceruoplasm, hdl, white blood cells , igf-1 if any of these levels are low then you know what the cause it. low copper can set off autoimmuine disases !! Plus eating alot of fruit can lower your levels as well as taking huge amounts of zinc thats why I said go easy on the zinc !!

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