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Posted by: oaktownboy

might be my appendix...will run some tests at hospital tomorrow to determine if that is the case

Posted by: hardasnails1973

They need to get a comprehensive blood work of EVERYTHING so they can look for abnormalities. Like me it was something new each day until the tests are backing up the cause. i knew it was a mineral deficiency but I almost had to die to find which one..

Posted by: oaktownboy

appendix is fine..they recommended to drink more water and increase fiber intake to remove the large quantity of fecal matter...i am tryin to get a colonoscopy next week for my lower GI..

Posted by: sara

I'm hoping that everything will turn out just fine

Posted by: oaktownboy

thx sara

Posted by: sara

Posted by: hardasnails1973

if it is hormonal justing fiber is going to clogg you even worse !! try it in small quantities then increasing it

Posted by: Stallions05

Damn bro i cant imagine what you are going threw physically and mentally. Just try and stay positive im sure things will work out for ya, goodluck with everything and stay strong.

Posted by: oaktownboy

doctor says i have Lyme disease along with large amounts of other harmful bacteria in my system..

Posted by: Tropicalgirlxx

So do you still have all those other problems too...like the thyroid problem?? Why did they not test for Lyme Disease earlier? What other harmful Bacterias and what are they caused from? Are you on strong antibiotics?
I hope now that you have this diagnosis everything will get better.

Posted by: oaktownboy

naw the thyroid is indirectly being affected by the Lyme's Disease..and i don't know why they didn't test for Lyme earlier...western medicine sucks

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Very well said !!! but there comes a time of when there is intervention between the 2

Posted by: WilliamB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

I have been reading this thread for a long time.

I have just read through it from the first post to the last - at once.

Oaktown,

You very likely may have a chemical imbalance that is causing these symptoms.

I do believe that some, or most (not all), of your physical and mental problems are:

PSYCHOLOGICAL.

Whatever the reason, I hope you can get better and live a normal life without physical and mental pain.

Dude I was going to say the same thing but I thought people be like HEY MAN that guys got a problem. This thread is 8 months old.

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^what's ur point? u think it's psychological? is that what ur saying?

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

^^what's ur point? u think it's psychological? is that what ur saying?

I DON'T think it's just psychological if at all. I should have said, it "could" be. "Psychosomatic" is the more appropriate word.

But....If the doctors have diagnosed you with Lyme disease it probably explains all of the abnormalities that you have had, and now you can treat them.

I cannot believe that the doctors did not run a test for Lymes diesease.

Also, have you been to areas of the U.S. where Lyme's diseas occurs?

Good luck and keep us posted, Oaktown.

Posted by: oaktownboy

i lived in eastern Washington the past year..

Posted by: Big Smoothy

^ I grew up in Western Washington.

Do they have Lyme disease in Eastern Washington?

(Pardon the ignorance, I haven't lived there in a few years.)

Posted by: buff_tat2d_chic

are the bumps white? It could be a thing called 'thrush' and it makes your mouth sore and white. Its a yeast infection...it happens when someone is stressed or on meds that kill the normal bacteria. If it is thrush...get some meds...it can be painful.

Posted by: oaktownboy

i don't have any "bumps".

Posted by: oaktownboy

i also want to say my stomach rumbles all day long 24/7..i even wake up in the middle of the night..it doesn't matter if i eat or if i don't eat..it still hurts

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Do you have Lyme's disease? Have you gotten the test results back yet?

Posted by: Taffin

Just a quick note, there's a multivitamin made specifically for people with GI disorders called Forvia. I can actually tell the difference in how I feel between when I take it and when I don't, something I can't say for many vitamins. www.forvia.com

Posted by: oaktownboy

thyroid med bumped from 15 mg to 60 mg..doctor wants to see if my energy improves..starting Monday no more amino acid/vitamin/mineral IVs..now we are going to detox where he injects chemicals to cleanse my body of all the heavy metals I have accumulated

Posted by: oaktownboy

small bowel series fine...ultrasound for liver..waiting for results...colonoscopy hopefully next week..if the results for that come back fine, the doctor will start treating me for Lyme's Disease intravenously. I forgot the name of the drug. It starts with an "R."...i'm happy i'm alive. i just wish i wasn't sick

Posted by: oaktownboy

waiting impatiently for Monday to come...want to start Lyme IV treatment

Posted by: sara

Wishing you the best oaktownboy

Posted by: Jenny

Stay strong Oak!! I'm so glad you know what you have now, I bet that helps mentally

Lyme disease is curable, my best friends two sisters both have it. One of them was diagnosed with fibromyalgia at first, which turned out to be wrong. So your doc is giving you heavy antibiotics? And maybe chelation therapy for the heavy metals?
Please keep us posted, this a very interesting case (I'm a health science major, AKA health geek

).
All the best to you

Posted by: oaktownboy

well i can't get the Lyme treatment until i switch from an HMO to a PPO...which is much more expensive..but i have no choice...goin furthur and furthur into debt...damn

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Waiting for more liver and copper tests to come back and once they do I will also start chelation therapy as well. Suck playing dr with yourself all the time. The white in your mouth is probably from iron deficency and your immune system being low for so long. I feel for you bro I had to sell my 69 chevy to help cover some of the costs

Posted by: oaktownboy

had an endoscopy and colonoscopy performed yesterday back-to-back...doctor said everything looked normal...now i'm waiting for my insurance to jump on board to pay for Lyme IV treatment..it looks like they are actually willing..doctor has me on Valtrex to kill any viruses inside my body..will report back when i start Lyme treatment

Posted by: oaktownboy

so it turns out insurance is not willing to pay for the treatment but the doctor has knocked down the price from $7000 to about $3500-4000. good deal

Posted by: Fashong

That still isn't right oaktownboy. Don't you pay health insurance for a reason??

Posted by: oaktownboy

the industry makes a living off not curing people...if everyone were healthy we wouldn't need medical insurance..

Posted by: Fashong

Still, health insurance that you pay monthly is suppose to pay for your expenses like mine does. It's just like car insurance just alot more important.

Posted by: oaktownboy

you would think so wouldn't you

Posted by: Vieope

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

the industry makes a living off not curing people...if everyone were healthy we wouldn't need medical insurance..

Yes

I firmly believe that doctors make you do exams they know it is not necessary.

Posted by: Arrhar!!

OMFG!!!!! i just saw this thread duno if i should say this but i'll say it anyway, one of my old friend was having the exact same symptons as you, for 2-3 years straight, then one day all of a sudden he just passed away...

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrhar!!

OMFG!!!!! i just saw this thread duno if i should say this but i'll say it anyway, one of my old friend was having the exact same symptons as you, for 2-3 years straight, then one day all of a sudden he just passed away...

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrhar!!

R.I.P.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I am sorry to hear about your freind, but some times medical field are total puzzled and can not give you a clinical defintion what is wrong with you and then just label you either insane or chronic fatique or fibromylasia. I have been down the same root as oak town boy and what I had no ordinary dr would ever find it. I had to do all the research and I told drs over a year and half ago find out what I am lacking and lets put it in. While here it is a year later, a simple mineral imbalancing caused the whole freakn thing. Labs test confirmed I had excess copper in my liver and deficiency in the blood. Solution chelate for 2 weeks and I will be back to normal. The over load of copper from a zinc deficiency caused by stress of dieting, cutting red meat and taking a shitty vitamin did me in. I back to orginal dr and told him :THANKS FOR FUCKING UP MY LIFE AS I KNEW IT" throw the tests on his test and walked out. Drs made mockery calling me a paranoid schizo to hydrochonriac, A dr even threaten to have little white men come and get me. Some people have to take matters in to their own hands and they are the ones to get better. Learn from my lesson no matter how good you eat think about all the stress we put on our bodies and make sure the vitamins /minerals you are taking are being absorbed. Majority of disease are just simple imbalances that could be corrected. Athletes are 80% zinc defieinct 90% magnesium 50% copper 60% chromium. and these are highly trained athletes that are still lacking even though they take their suplements !! We are not what we eat but what we assimulate...

Posted by: bandaidwoman

Just be prepared for a potential Herxheimer reaction when you start the Rocephin treatment http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/herx.html

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Very Good point. But little discomfort will be worth a life time of pleasure !!

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^lifetime of pleasure..sounds like a Trojan commercial...j/k

Posted by: gr81

what up oak my man, good to see they figured it out at least, right? now you'll be on the fast track to recovery and be hitting that lite wate in no time baby!!! btw you know how muhc I feel you bout our health situation being in shambles. its nothing but a bunch of BS. what can ya do thou huh. good luck mayn. peace

Posted by: oaktownboy

thx A...good to hear from you mayne

Posted by: gr81

fa sho, drop me a pm some time, let me know whass craccin

Posted by: oaktownboy

IV's started yesterday..4 days a week for 3 weeks...setting all of this stuff up is a lot more complicated than i originally thought..let's hope this works

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I Got my final tests back and it is confirmed that there is problem in the copper metabolism interferring with iron transport to the tissues. So basically I have been anemic all this time at the cellular level, but the results are at the very lowest you can go with out of being out of range. If there is no medical intervention I refuse to go on living like this when there is an underlying problem that needs to be resolved

Posted by: oaktownboy

the rocephen has brought about diarrhea, which is better than the constipation I've had since August..i actually feel worse..I hope this is just the disease trying to fight off the drugs..we will see how i feel in another week

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Hair analysis revealed aluminum, arsenic, nickel, but MERCURY was 500 times the safe limit which interfers with copper metabolism. hair test showed I had extremely low levels of bioaviable copper, manganese, chromonium, selenium, iron, zinc. So these lack of minerals at cellular levels explains alot that has been happening with thyroid adrenals and testosterone, digestion. I stopped tuna for 2 months and copper and zinc levels started to rise on blood test results as well as white blood cells came up. I had tuna for a week and the yeast came right back, felt like crap, body temperature dropped like a rock and digestion problems. So to close this case is deficiency from steroids, dieting (cutting red meat and more fish), over training and shitty multivitamins not providing body with proper nutrients /minerals which opened my body up to enviromnetal toxins. Start chelation therapy in a week to flush crap out. No more tuna for a while !!

Posted by: oaktownboy

I have been on the Rocephin for two weeks now and have not noticied any change..bad news..One more week to go..If this fails, my doctor will recommend me to a Lyme's specialist, though there is quite a long waiting list (100-200 people already on it). More blood test results came back today saying I definetly have Lyem's diease, which is comforting in a twisted way..

Posted by: oaktownboy

last week and am more depressed than ever..the Rocephin has not helped at all....doctor says there are no options left..is referring me to Lyme's specialist in Frisco..but neither of my separated parents have the money to pay for the visit...which makes me wonder..maybe it is my time to go

Posted by: Big Smoothy

^ Oaktown, hang tough.

You finally have discovered what the problem is. Now that you know what it is, you need to see a specialist.

Have you contacted Lyme disease support groups in your area?

Have you met with other people that are dealing with what you are dealing with?

Hang in there. Yes, things are rough now, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

I and the rest of us support you.

Posted by: VipeR

Otb...
I rarely post on this board... Rarely... I mostly just read and gain tips on certain aspects of bodybuilding...
But listen, You are NOT alone... Just over a year ago, I was going through the same thing... Except I had horrible chest pains that made my lungs scream with pain every time I took a breath...
At first I thought I had a really bad case of the flu, but about a month later the symptoms were still there!!
I went to the DR. and he said the same bullshit yours did, said it was all in my mind OR a moderate virus in my lungs...
Another month went on, I had worst symptoms now... At this point in time, I thought I had pnemonia or another serious respitory infection...
These are the symptoms I had aquired..
-Chest pains
-Decrease in appetite
-Fatique/Drowsyness
-Joint pains
-Shortness of breath(everytime i breathed, it felt like I wasnt getting enough air)
-Horrible depression
-ALOT of panic attacks/was suicidal
-Thought life was over for me

And alot more where this came from.. Bottom line was I felt like complete SHIT...Had no hope in myself.. And to top it off, my doc was a complete ASSHOLE, who did not give a shit about his patients...

The Real Disease
Ok.. after countless vistits to the doc, I decided to do some research on the internet, And to my surprise, I saw that alot of other people shared the same symptoms I did... So after days and days on the web, I finally found out what I had on my own...
I had Anxiety disorder/Depression...
Heres how I got it... I found out I really did have a minor cold to begin with, but after watching a documentry on pnemonia/respitory infections, I began to think things upon me...
I gave myself the panic attacks and depression, From worrying about getting it in the first place(if that makes any sense at all).. Bottom line is.. I really didnt have anything wrong with me(my heart and lungs looked perfect in the xrays..)

So.. If you get anything from this passage, It is that you WILL be ok, And dont worry many others have been in your postion... Even if it ISNT anxiety disorder, if you stop worrying half the symptoms will dissapear.. I PROMISE
Hit me up on AIM at RockEspViper69 or PM me on IM... If you wanna talk more about it.. Im here for you man

But please... Just have trust and hope in yourself..Cuz trust me.. You WILL get Better

Sincerely,
Alex

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^^how did you overcome the anxiety?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

anxiety is highly related to your thyroid being out of wack. i also discovered one of the reason my thyroid medicine was not doing shit. I was eating too many grains (rice bran, brown rice, ect) plus taking too much flax seeds to help me shit. Here I come to discover that i was taking in things that have been blocking thyroid production from medicine. Now i am feeling alittle better. Anxiety is a state of mind that can be altered to a degree with mediation, and relaxtion, bt hormone imbalances can play a major role as well as hidden food allergies. So suggestion may be just goback to cave man diet to knock out all allergens. its tough i know going to chelatation each week is no fun, but hang in there. you are not alone...

Posted by: oaktownboy

goin to Lyme specialist tomorrow....I have been on IV antibiotics for 3 straight months, causing all of my veins to dry up. no more IV's for awhile...You know the feeling where you are angry at everything and just want to beat the hell out of something? That's the feeling I have everyday...but u can't do anything because you don't have enough energy...I am filing for SSI to help pay off the debts I've encountered with Lyme Disease. but the claim will take 4-5 months...better than nothing I guess

Posted by: hardasnails1973

same here bro, have all this mental energy but will not transfer to phyiscal energy. Mind races some times 100 mph, but body says not going to do it...you are not alone, have your freinds been supportive about things? can you fax me your hair analysis test so I can look over it, there might be some thing in there we have over looked that may help to balance you out with some minerals.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Lyme specialist says I don't have 100%Lyme, but babesia(sp?) which is a precursor to diseases like Lyme(especailly Lyme). From looking at my previous blood results, he says I've had Lyme Disease probably my whole life but I was so healthy that it didn't bother me. But when I started dieting and all the stress I encountered in college the disease was brought out.He has me on artemisinin(sp?) which is an oral antibiotic which I take twice a day for a month. He says I should be back to normal soon.

Posted by: Jenny

Good news

Posted by: PreMier

Awesome!

Posted by: oaktownboy

thanks guys...i haven't cried so much in years

Posted by: Jenny

I like your sig!! Hang in there, things are looking up! You'll come out of this so much stronger and appreciate life in a way you haven't before

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

Lyme specialist says I don't have 100%Lyme, but babesia(sp?) which is a precursor to diseases like Lyme(especailly Lyme). From looking at my previous blood results, he says I've had Lyme Disease probably my whole life but I was so healthy that it didn't bother me. But when I started dieting and all the stress I encountered in college the disease was brought out.He has me on artemisinin(sp?) which is an oral antibiotic which I take twice a day for a month. He says I should be back to normal soon.

I will see how I feel in a month...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Hang in there buddy there is a light at end of every dark tunnel...

Posted by: oaktownboy

it's not looking good Sean..the artemisinin is having no noticable effect on me..and I'm pissed cuz the doc wants me to go ahead and finish the treatment for another 2-3 weeks..i wanna get back into the gym and try to start school again..i can't just sit around and do nothing..ya feel me>?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Defintiely bro I feel ya, i finally feeling better after finding the source of aluminum poisoning (yams wrapped in foil when cooking) NOT GOOD, giving me alztimers symptoms and getting my fucking brain chemisrty back on line that was so fucked up from all the heavy metals in my body. ATleast I am no longer bipolar and not riding that emotional rollercoaster. I hate when drs treat us as human guinea pigs. If some thing is not working with in 2 weeks a new protcol needs to be implemented instead of waiting...Get my drift

Problems during therapy include diarrhea, mild nausea, the expense of atovaquone (over $600.00 per bottle — enough for three weeks of treatment), and rarely, a temporary yellowish discoloration of the vision. Regular blood counts, liver panels and amylase levels are recommended during any prolonged course of therapy. Patients who are not cured with this regimen can be retreated but with higher doses, as this has proven effective in many of my patients. Artemesia (a non-prescription herb) may be added, but is not effective when used alone. Metronidazole can also be added to increase efficacy, but there is minimal clinical data on how much more effective this regimen is.

I thought i reconignized that name as an herb and not a drug

Posted by: oaktownboy

yeh ur right..it is an herb..my bad

Posted by: sara

I hope you will go back to school & gym soon

Posted by: oaktownboy

thx baby

Posted by: oaktownboy

I've already said this but when I eat fruits and vegetables I actually feel worse. I don't know why.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Well, the artemisinin is all used up. I haven't noticied much of a difference except for more persistent stomachaches. I see the doc Tuesday. He's gonna give me much stronger antibiotics this time. The artemisinin was a middle-of-the-road approach because he wanted to see how I responded.I will give an update Tuesday after I come back from Santa Rosa, which is a 1.5-2 hour drive.

Posted by: oaktownboy

well today is the worst I've felt in weeks...damn i got 3 more days until i see doc..This is a living nightmare;swear to God.

Posted by: bandaidwoman

Once again, you may be experiencing the Herxheimer reaction. (things get worse due to the massive release of the lyme spores in your body), this is usually temporary. I know someone who felt better during these herxheimer reactions by taking benadryl but that is an isolated report.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Keep drinking water and just keep toxins movings, sweating helps a lot as well and its plenty hot out there today to sweat. bandaid is right some times it gets worse before it does get better just the ways things go till you level out.

Posted by: CANIBALISTIC

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

well i eat plenty of yams/oatmeal,veggies

The result was appendicitis and many visits to the military doctor. No pleasent.

Good luck

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin just called, update: just when things could not get any worse the poor kid was hit in the rear end by a bus. Every one was ok the car's backend is domolished. He will not be able to post till sunday becuase he is moving due to the finacial burden this has placed on him. He's just starting new therapy for the next 6 weeks and we will see how it goes. He just told me that he does not have just one infection, but several that are located in his brain. Just hang in there buddy

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^thanks a ton HAN...I fixed my internet problem..i had to to get a new transformer from my tv to the power outlet in the wall..thx for updating peeps though...

Posted by: P-funk

rear ended?? Jesus man. I am glad to hear you are all right.

Posted by: sara

OMG!!! I'm glad you ok

Posted by: oaktownboy

starting mepron and zithromax for 6 weeks..see how this goes

Posted by: oaktownboy

don't lnow how quite to word this entry..went to a QXCI practione..it measure the cellular energy in ur body and ish like that..HAN can probably explain it better than I can, given the fact I can't think worth shit and my brain is basically mush right now. U get hooked up to a machine and it reads stuff like hromone levels, stress, diseases, food allergies, etc..Here's a list of some shit the practioner discovered:

1.Perverse energy-listening to music too loud..causing severe damage to nervous system (shit...there goes my subwoofers)

2.Gluten sensitivity(no more wheat for awhile)

3.Sugar is toxic to my body...interesting find...It seems I can't process sugar.

4.I have a Candida infection. Sean, look like I still have it from Auguat when I originally got sick.

5.I have food poisoning (salmonella) from a long time ago;probably when i was just a kid and it still affects me.

6.I am in an extreme state of ketosis...definetly not good.am not digesting protein properly either

7.I am drinking way too much water. says I should no longer drink 1 gallon because it's flushing all the vitamins/minerals out of my body

8. This has got to be one of the most interesting points here. My Lyme Disease came on the machine. They actually pinpointed which bacteria/virus I have out of the possibly 5. It's not babesia, but spirochete borrelia..HOLY SHIT..Now let's see if my Lyme doctor believes this.

9.I am suffering from an extreme form of aftershock...from all of the stress I've dealt with my whole life.

10.This test is 94% accurate..I am not shitting you.

Posted by: P-funk

So what do you do with that information??

Posted by: oaktownboy

oh yeah I forgot to include that..she sent an electric shock through my body to correct the imbalances..but it will take a few more sessions..

Posted by: P-funk

Does the shock hurt? What is that like? How many more sessions of shock treatment do you have to get?

Posted by: oaktownboy

naw u don't feel anything...I don't how many more sessions I need. it depends how fast I get better..I asked her that same question. She said probably 3 or 4.

Posted by: oaktownboy

she also said I'm extremely acidic so I've been taking baking soda with water to alkalize my body out.

Posted by: sara

Hang in there buddy

Posted by: oaktownboy

i'm trying..today i am having a real problem breathing

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Hey Oak I spent the last hour or more reading this whole post. Sounds like you have many issues going on here. It sounds like you are getting some answers and the last test seemed to be very helpful. Now they just have to treat the issues until they are gone.

As for your breathing troubles I feel its related to panic/anxiety caused by all the stress you are going through. I developed panic/anxiety a few years back. It runs in my family and I didn't get it until I was like 22-23. The only thing I have taken that works for me is Xanax. Its not the doctors first line of treating it but it really works. I took all the SSRI's out there and all of them made it worse for me along with other bad side effects such as increased anxiety, restlessness, inability to maintain an erection, inability to orgasm, and I would clench my jaw all day long.....so long story short see about getting some Xanax, Klonapin, or Valium for the anxiety....it really did wonders for me.

Posted by: oaktownboy

yeh i have some left over Xanax from my first doctor..but I don't like relying on drugs

Posted by: oaktownboy

will i ever get better? doesn't look like it

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

will i ever get better? doesn't look like it

hang in there man. You will get better. You will win.

Posted by: maniclion

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

don't lnow how quite to word this entry..went to a QXCI practione..it measure the cellular energy in ur body and ish like that..HAN can probably explain it better than I can, given the fact I can't think worth shit and my brain is basically mush right now. U get hooked up to a machine and it reads stuff like hromone levels, stress, diseases, food allergies, etc..Here's a list of some shit the practioner discovered:

1.Perverse energy-listening to music too loud..causing severe damage to nervous system (shit...there goes my subwoofers)

2.Gluten sensitivity(no more wheat for awhile)

3.Sugar is toxic to my body...interesting find...It seems I can't process sugar.

4.I have a Candida infection. Sean, look like I still have it from Auguat when I originally got sick.

5.I have food poisoning (salmonella) from a long time ago;probably when i was just a kid and it still affects me.

6.I am in an extreme state of ketosis...definetly not good.am not digesting protein properly either

7.I am drinking way too much water. says I should no longer drink 1 gallon because it's flushing all the vitamins/minerals out of my body

8. This has got to be one of the most interesting points here. My Lyme Disease came on the machine. They actually pinpointed which bacteria/virus I have out of the possibly 5. It's not babesia, but spirochete borrelia..HOLY SHIT..Now let's see if my Lyme doctor believes this.

9.I am suffering from an extreme form of aftershock...from all of the stress I've dealt with my whole life.

10.This test is 94% accurate..I am not shitting you.

uhh you basically had an ohm reading done on your skin, nothing more. Be very careful with this. Sugar toxicity = diabetes. Are you diabetic? Think to yourself how many questions did they ask you before they hooked you up to the machine? Your bodies not a car engine they can hook up to a single diagnostic computer and find out whats wrong everywhere.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

yeh i have some left over Xanax from my first doctor..but I don't like relying on drugs

Whats better to deal with panic attacks and feeling like you are dying, OR takinga a pill and feelings normal all the time? Other then being addicted to Xanax there is no real side effects from it. Its a safe drug compaired to anti-depressants like SSRIs that are full of horrible sides.

I feel that I am dependant on Xanax not addicted. I too hate relying on drugs to be rite, but there might not be any other way. I would say most people that develope panic/anxiety disorders never get rid of them totally...you might get it under control to where you don't freak the hell out too often, but it will always be there....I am to the point where I only take the Xanax when I feel it coming on, and then I am all good...there are days that go by I do not take a single Xanax, and other days when I take all 3 that I am supposed to.

You might as well take the Xanax to calm your mind and relax your nerves from driving you mad....the Xanax will totally chill you out making things seem better because you are not going to dwell on the issues nearly as much...that IMO is relief.

Posted by: oaktownboy

what I'm saying is: I'm not experiencing anxiety attacks...it's part of the Lyme disease..and I am already taking a shitload of drugs..ya feel me bruh?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

well if you are sure whats going on then by all means you know your body better then anyone....hell the first time I had a panic attack I couldn't breath, catch my breath, bad chest pains, sweating, and started to vomit before I thought it was lights out due to being light headed...I thought it was a heart attack....who knew? Took a ride in the ambulance to the ER expecting the worst. Look up the symptoms of anxiety and panic....it covers just about everything that would scare most people.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

The machine is extremely accurate. It named all the bacteria that was found on a clinical stool sample test sent to a reputable lab. Drs are so set in there ways that they are not open to new things. I was not asked a serious of questions. Machine was programed to find abnormalities in your body. It is not a scam like people think it is. So let people think what they want to think and remain sick in the medical community can not have no other reason then "its all in your head" but rather it all begins in your GUT

Posted by: oaktownboy

^^yup

Posted by: sara

How you feeling today?

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by maniclion

Sugar toxicity = diabetes. Are you diabetic?

Yep, I wondered about that when I read the profuse drinking of fluids. My friend went through that, and panic disorder before she finially discovered she was diabetic.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

bacteria toxins in the body causes metabolic stress which affects the adrenals glands and over all immune system which raises cortisol out put and over time adrenals can not keep up with the stress and eventual burn out. This cauases sugar imbalances as well as low stomach and pancreatic enzmes which set up and other chain reaction for severe malabsorption of protein carbs and fats. Vicious cycle begins !!

Posted by: Corn88m

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Originally Posted by oaktownboy

wanna know sumthin that's really scary? my mouth has bumps inside of it and my tongue is turning white..i have no idea in hell how i am supposed to go to school. i might have to take a semester off.

It sounds like you might have hand hoof and mouth syndrome. It's not serious and you will get over it, but you just have to wait it out. Ask your doctor what he thinks. There's really nothing you can take to get rid of it faster but maybe your doc can treat the symptoms. I had this a couple of years ago, and it took a few weeks to get over. Usually in kids it will cause sores on the hands and on the bottom of the feet, but in adults it causes sores in the mouth. I don't know if it has anything to do with your stomach problems but it might. You should get an antibody titter to Giardia preformed. You can get giardia from swimming in lakes or ponds or possibly from eating under cooked fish. It doesn't sound as if it's from undercooked meat because you would probably be in the hospital if it was from bacteria (sepsis/bacteremia). Just make sure you give a stool specimen to your doctor to make sure you don't have an active parasite infection, and the giardia titter will tell you if you had it recently. If everything comes back negative, you should seriously consider having a colonoscopy done so you can make sure nothing serious is wrong with your colon. For now I would stop taking any supplement and I would take a break from the gym, because your body can't repair itself if your stressing it out with exercise. Just some friendly advise. let me know how you do.

Posted by: oaktownboy

that was a long fuckin time ago..lol haven't u read my posts^^^

Posted by: oaktownboy

alright..second appointment was yesterday..she found a urinary,bladder, and kidney infection..she says all the trauma and shit i went through as a kid has basically detroyed my immune system and i will have to rebuild it...thus making it harder to fight Lyme Disease at the same time...Also using a new tool called the Zapper. I use it at home, twice a day for 7 minutes. It sends electrical currents through my body tio kill the bad bacteria/parasites. ..just be glad u aren't me..

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Yep, I wondered about that when I read the profuse drinking of fluids. My friend went through that, and panic disorder before she finially discovered she was diabetic.

already been tested for diabetes...negative

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Oak you are like a walking problem. Did you never have any symptoms of all these problems i.e. the bladder kidney infection? You have a bajillion problems going on bro....GOOD LUCK! We are all here to help you through it....I think you need to get in touch with your body to catch these problems as they arrive rather then get them all discovered at once.

Posted by: oaktownboy

no i've been prefectly healthy my whole life..when i got sick in august it was a huge shock..my trainer, my friends, my parents..no one could understand what was happening...

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

well oak good luck and I'm sure everything will pan out for you. keep us posted on your progress!

Posted by: oaktownboy

just took a urine test to see if my kidneys are fucked up,,if they are this opens up a whole new can of worms so to speak

Posted by: joshp

Scary! I had this same kind of thing for nearly 4 weeks! I seriously think the US should stop importation of food because not all nations are as clean as we are.

To start off with, I find that R-ALA makes me more hungry. Anway I'll tell about mine.

It started about 30-60 minutes after I ate taco bell. I felt sick to stomach and could have thrown up but held back (major mistake).Then a little later in went into lower digestive track problems. I started using the restroom frequently. For the next week I was constantly running to the restroom and my appetite was very high. I was nearly eating all day. Then it calmed down and I was still going to the bathroom more than normal but now I was getting bad cramps. I never get cramps even if I have a crap coming on. The cramps are quite painful and happen throughout the day. In the 3rd week crapping went down to 3X a day and cramping still there. Decided to self medicate by drinking 10 beers and an adios mother F-er. I did this because I figured it was a parasite at this point. Next day cramping is gone. A new symptom arises. This time it is a burning sensation when I eat. This lasts for the next week. I then had a doctor appointment set for the end of the week that I scheduled the week before and the doctor thinks I'm crazy because I told him I had no symptoms that day.

My question is will your body naturally get rid of parasites? Could parasites still be in my body even though crapping has returned to normal (2X a day)? I've heard certain parasites when left in the body cause organ failure over time. Would symptoms of the parasite still be around? Is it possible for the high levels of drinking to have killed whatever was in my system?

Posted by: oaktownboy

if u got parasites in ur stomach u need to see a doctor to proscribe u antibiotics to kill that shit bruh

Posted by: hardasnails1973

My best suggestion of you catch it early is to identify the problem with a stool test from lab other then lab corp or quest diagnostics. THEY SUCK for parasites at least. Start eating 13 raw chopped up galic boiled in 1 cup milk for 5 minutes. It should make like a paste and take that for 5 days and it should kill anything that is in you just recently caught. Antibiotic are can cauase more damage then good becauase it kill good flora as well.

Posted by: joshp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

My best suggestion of you catch it early is to identify the problem with a stool test from lab other then lab corp or quest diagnostics. THEY SUCK for parasites at least. Start eating 13 raw chopped up galic boiled in 1 cup milk for 5 minutes. It should make like a paste and take that for 5 days and it should kill anything that is in you just recently caught. Antibiotic are can cauase more damage then good becauase it kill good flora as well.

Any other cures for parasites? If I eat that much garlic I'm going to have gas that stinks so bad they won't allow me to work along with my body smelling like garlic from it coming out of my pores.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

1. Identify the pathogen by stool test or urine test
2. worm wood, black wall nut, cloves - combination
3. increase ionic minerals will help kill them as well.

Alot of parasitic infections are due to subclinical mineral defieincies (zinc, copper, selenium) due to lowered immune system and lack of stomach acids

justin
low blood oxygen can be related to a couple possible things.
1. kidney govern the acid/base balance so if your kidneys are affected you could have altered ph in the blood. Dr needs to check out metabolic acidosis
or more the natural person said "you body is loaded in acid" which with high acid levels ph your digestive enzymes are pretty much shut down and when there are little or no enzymes to break down food then your body will steal them from other organs (thyroid, adrenal, tesosterone, pituitarr, kidney) eventually this organs will start to malfunction as well.. Plus I am sure you are low on alot of essemtial nutrients which is not helping. The reason digestive enzymes are not working is becuase your natural supply is so low that it takes a good while for it to replenish...Dr really needs to check blood level co2 and bicarbonates..This will really tell how acid you are

Posted by: joshp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

1. Identify the pathogen by stool test or urine test
2. worm wood, black wall nut, cloves - combination
3. increase ionic minerals will help kill them as well.

Alot of parasitic infections are due to subclinical mineral defieincies (zinc, copper, selenium) due to lowered immune system and lack of stomach acids

justin
low blood oxygen can be related to a couple possible things.
1. kidney govern the acid/base balance so if your kidneys are affected you could have altered ph in the blood. Dr needs to check out metabolic acidosis
or more the natural person said "you body is loaded in acid" which with high acid levels ph your digestive enzymes are pretty much shut down and when there are little or no enzymes to break down food then your body will steal them from other organs (thyroid, adrenal, tesosterone, pituitarr, kidney) eventually this organs will start to malfunction as well.. Plus I am sure you are low on alot of essemtial nutrients which is not helping. The reason digestive enzymes are not working is becuase your natural supply is so low that it takes a good while for it to replenish...Dr really needs to check blood level co2 and bicarbonates..This will really tell how acid you are

Man you seem to have a lot of knowledge in this area. In fact I put money that you know a lot more about it than my doctor. I have no idea what the following are but I'll look online, not sure if this stuff would be sold at a super market (worm wood, black wall nut, cloves - combination)

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

justin
low blood oxygen can be related to a couple possible things.
1. kidney govern the acid/base balance so if your kidneys are affected you could have altered ph in the blood. Dr needs to check out metabolic acidosis
or more the natural person said "you body is loaded in acid" which with high acid levels ph your digestive enzymes are pretty much shut down and when there are little or no enzymes to break down food then your body will steal them from other organs (thyroid, adrenal, tesosterone, pituitarr, kidney) eventually this organs will start to malfunction as well.. Plus I am sure you are low on alot of essemtial nutrients which is not helping. The reason digestive enzymes are not working is becuase your natural supply is so low that it takes a good while for it to replenish...Dr really needs to check blood level co2 and bicarbonates..This will really tell how acid you are

specifically what kind of tests need to be run?

Posted by: oaktownboy

Alright peeps, listen up. I just got some huge news from my kidney test. Measuring ph, on a scale of 1.005-1.030, I scored an 8. that's right, an 8. My body is in a state of acidosis and my kidneys aren't processing protein efficiently. A simple change in diet won't be enough to solve this problem. It's gonna require more drugs to fix this. The good news is now I know why my stomach hurts all the time and I have sever indigestion. Hopefully, once I get my kidneys and immune system back to normal, I can overcome the Lyme and get back to school and the gym.

JC

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Oak did the doctor say the condition of the kidneys? Is there a pill you take for a certain length of time to fix this? I would guess the long standing bladder infection could have worked up into the kidneys and fuck them up. Did they mention any cause of the trouble with the kidney? Did they tell you how to avoid it happening again?

Good to hear things are getting solved...now you just have to treat it and you'll be all good.

Posted by: oaktownboy

it looks like the urine reversed itself through the urinary tract up to my kidneys causing an infection...i've raid that this is caused by severe stress and trauma

Posted by: oaktownboy

alright got an appointment tomorrow to see good doctor who originally found out that I had Lyme's..he will give me some antibiotics to kill the infection right away..looks like i could be getting better really soon

Posted by: oaktownboy

well i fucked up and read the results wrong..my kidneys are fine

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

geez

Posted by: oaktownboy

another QXCI seesion..I am dangerously low in: GABA, glutamic acid, phenylaline, digestive enzymes, vitamin k(which deals with human emotion)

will start supplmentation^^^

Posted by: oaktownboy

ok well i made a decision along with my QXCI practioner to stop taking Mepron and Zithromax..it's ripping up my stomach and it's my third week and I still have not goten any better. I am embarking on a natural course to recovery. I will be taking the vitamins/aminos mentioned above along with a good multi, super grren formulas,..basically all the essential aminos/vitamins/minerals that my body needs

any input appreciated

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin,
Its smart that you are plugging in the holes where your body is missing. By correcting the imbalances it will bring your body back in balance and give it a chance to recover. I am in the same boat, GOOD NEWS is that your liver seems to be detoxing pretty good becuae the detoxification pathways amino acids are not low. By correcting the other amio acid abnormalities it will open up other enzymatic pathways thay have been shut down due to the toxins givenoff by your lyme disease. The main problem that I see is that the lymes disease is fucking up your ammonia pathways and this would be probably cause of your brain drain because glutamic acid is used as priorary fuel for your brain and that is also a need for enzyme to convert to GABA. Gaba is a relaxation chemical in your brain so correcting the gaba deficiency you will be a much calmer person and will also decrease hyperventalation you have been having. The glutamic acid will be the most important one because your body can not get rid of the ammonia then it would cause your body to be oxygen starvation. Digestive enzymes will help out the whole picture and also take burden off your pancrease and inturn off all the other organs in the body. Take them before your meal and inbetween 3 times as well becuase it will help you to replenish your enzymes. Digestive enzyme are not only used for digestion, but go out into the blood stream to kill bacteria and pathogens. So possible explaination may be is that your body was stealing enzymes from digestion to help fight off the bacteria in your system. So theory of thinking is "if you replenish your enzyme bank then your body will not steal from the process of digestion and body will be better suited to recovery from the main source the LYME disease !! If the practioner has abiity to kinesiology test you. Have her test enzyme and also possible Cats claw as well and then she can determine how much you will need. Person I go hit every thing on the nail so it was a wise choice to go natural route. you may also look into the big universites some time they have alternative medicine departments that are covered by insurance

GABA
(Gamma Amino Butyric Acid)
Non-Essential - Non-Proteogenic

Main Functions:

One of the two main inhibitory neurotransmitters, the other being Glycine.
Glutamic acid is the main precursor of GABA.
Does not easily pass through the blood-brain barrier, which has important clinical implications. Although GABA supplementation is used widely for a calming, sedative effect, there is mixed data indicating that GABA taken orally has much clinical effect. Glutamine, a precursor of GABA, readily passes through the blood-brain barrier and is, therefore, a better supplement to take if one wants to increase brain levels of GABA, since Glutamine, once it is in the brain, converts into GABA. The question of GABA's clinical usefulness may be a function of its dosage. That is, it appears that only mega doses of GABA have clinical effects.
Benzodiazepines, such as Valium and Librium, activate GABA neurons.
GABA activity found in glands controlled by the sympathetic nervous system, namely: pancreas and thymus.
Mega-doses of GABA raise IQ.
Mega-doses may be helpful in treating seizure disorders.

PHENYLALANINE
Essential - Proteogenic - Glycogenic and Ketogenic
Non-Polar, Hydrophobic - Aromatic

Main Functions:

Precursor to Tyrosine, which, in turn, is the precursor to the neurotransmitters: Dopamine and the excitatory neurotransmitters Norepinephrine and Epinephrine.
Precursor to the hormone, Thyroxine.
Enhances mood, clarity of thought, concentration, and memory.
Suppresses appetite.
Major part of collagen formation.
While the L-form of all of the other amino acids is the one that is beneficial to people, the D and DL forms of Phenylalanine have been useful in treating pain.
DL-Phenylalanine is useful in reducing arthritic pain.
Powerful anti-depressant.
Used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease.

Phenylalanine Deficiency Seen In:

Depression.
Obesity.

GLUTAMIC ACID
Non-Essential - Proteogenic - Glycogenic - Acid Side Chain

Main Functions:

Glutamic Acid is a precursor to Glutamine and GABA (2 neurotransmitters).
One of two excitatory neurotransmitters, the other being Aspartic acid or Asparagine.
Excesses in brain tissue can cause cell damage. This is thought to be one of the mechanisms by which strokes kill brain cells; that is through the release of large amounts of Glutamic Acid.
Helps stop alcohol and sugar cravings.
Increases energy.
Accelerates wound healing and ulcer healing.
Detoxifies ammonia in the brain by forming glutamine, which can cross the blood-brain barrier, which Glutamic Acid cannot do.
Plays major role in DNA synthesis.

I just find it strange that you are not low on minerals, but thats a good thing I guess.

BEST ENZYMES BANG FOR YOUR BUCK

http://www.ultimate-enzymes.com/compchart1.html

Posted by: oaktownboy

thx sean

Posted by: hardasnails1973

CANDIDA, PARASITES AND VIRAL INFECTIONS CAN BE CAUSED BY HIGH CORTISOL

Candida and parasites can both be caused by high cortisol for one simple reason: excess cortisol destroys friendly bacteria just like antibiotics do. This will cause the candida and parasites to spread. Cortisol also elevates blood sugar. This means the sugar could feed the candida or even start, or worsen, diabetic conditions. Weight gain around the abdominal region is common from stress induced high cortisol. If you have ever noticed someone under prolonged stress starting to gain weight it may not be their diet. Cortisol can send fat to the stomach region for storage. 'Fat Pads" are a common sign of high cortisol. A "moon faced" look is common on those who take cortisol medications. Both memory loss and loss of general cognitive (learning) ability have been long associated with high cortisol. Mood swings are also common. Most patients who correct their elevated cortisol level find that they sleep better and feel, overall, calmer.

JUSTIN THIS IS WHAT DID US IN...STRESS OF DIETING BROUGHT YOUR LYME DISEASE OUT OF REMISSION !!

Posted by: oaktownboy

let's hope these supps help because I don't have any more ideas..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

I DO...The missing key is in your amino acids. If you have no glutamic acid you have low gluthione which is a tripeptide made from 3 amino acids: glycine, glutamate (glutamic acid), and cysteine. In our modern world almost all the protein, which contains tripeptides, we consume is cooked. The thermal labile amino acid cysteine is destroyed by the heat of cooking thus blocking the body's ability to develop Glutathione in every living cell. Without the availability of Glutathione the body will not produce new cells and existing cells are susceptible to the damaging effects of free radicals. We are exposed to free radicals from our environment: polluted air, pharmaceuticals, exercise, radiation, alcohol, cigarettes, and even stress and disease. When more cells are being killed from these causes than are being replaced, we are aging at an accelerated rate.

Glutathione has 4 major funtions:

Antioxidant

An Antioxidant is a substance that neutralizes destructive free radicals, some are manufactured by the metabolic processes of the body, others are derived from foods, the air we breath, exercise, stess and disease. Gutathione is the most powerful antioxidant occurring naturally in all of the 70-100 trillion cells that make up the human body. That is why Glutathione is called the Master Antioxidant (MA+ Complex). The effectiveness of all other antioxidants like Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin E and Selenium all depend upon the availability of Glutathione.

A deficiency of the Master Antioxidant leads to oxidative related diseases: accelerated aging, cell destruction, damaged DNA which can lead to cancer, Arteriosclerosis, Parkinson's disease, Diabetes, diseases of the immune system (LYME), Cataracts, Alzheimer's, Macular Degeneration, COPD, Allergy, and Asthma.

Immune Booster

The immune system is directly dependent upon Glutathione for proper functions, and is considered the body's frontline defense against infection. The immune system wants to create white blood cells to fight such infections as bacterial diseases, the common cold, Hepatitis, HIV/AIDS, Herpes, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, and even cancer, but without Glutathione, the master antioxidant, no cells will be created.

Detoxification

Glutathione is also know as the toxic waste neutralizer of the body. In the liver it will neutralize toxic pollutants and even carcinogens and eliminate them from the body. Most prescription drugs have negative side effects upon the liver, which Glutathione has been shown to alleviate. It is also beneficial in drug overdoses, chemotherapy and radiation exposure.

Radiation Protection

We are exposed to radiation daily from natural sources such as cosmic rays, radioactive minerals, and even sunlight. Other sources include nuclear waste, industrial waste, and building materials. Medical X-rays, mammograms, CT scans and other procedures all add up. Radiation exposures produce Hydoxyradicals, the most reactive radicals known. Studies show that Glutathione protects the cell from these damaging radicals which cause skin cancer, DNA damage and eye damage.

THis could explain why you can not fight back...Qxci may be able to monitir things according to your amino acid level

Posted by: oaktownboy

i hope something starts workin..i keep gaining more and more fat

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

i hope something starts workin..i keep gaining more and more fat

lots of food+extreme hunger = Fat ass.....I know its easier said then done but you can curb some of that hunger by drinking a shit load of water.

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

lots of food+extreme hunger = Fat ass.....I know its easier said then done but you can curb some of that hunger by drinking a shit load of water.

the doctors have told me to cut back..they said all the water i drank for the comp flushed out all the vitamins/minerals i needed.now i'm mkaing up for that

Posted by: oaktownboy

i've been up since 4..my stomach won't stop hurting

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Freind was just crying to me about same exact symptoms you had she went to emergency room the drs took thyroid never checked antibodies. A week later she had all your beginning symptoms and I told her to check antbodies and she had hashimotos. She was under alot stress and starting working out and life was spinning out of control triggered it. She was just seeing what we already know that there are good drs out there and not so good.

Justin look around for mold in your house see if there is any becuae that could not allow your immune system to function properly either

Posted by: hardasnails1973

NAMASTE & WELCOME TO THE WAY UP MONTHLY NEWSLETTER!
INDIGESTION ANYONE?

It almost gives me heartburn to hear how many new patients come to me having been prescribed various acid-blockers, & antacids. These are such items as Zantec, Tagamet, Pepsid, Prilosec, Tums, Mylanta, & so on.

Unless they have clearly substantiated high acid production, an ulcer, gastritis, or esophagitis ( inflammation of the stomach or esophagus), there is no reason to block acid. It can even be counter-productive. Occasional use of such products is okay, but chronic usage can lead to problems.

After 50 years of age more people suffer from the effects of low than high acid. The digestive symptoms of low acid can be intense, with pain, even burning pain. gas, bloating, cramping, & general indigestion. Low acid can further predispose to bacterial & fungal overgrowth in the intestines. as well as creating maldigestion & malabsorption leading to nutritional deficiencies & a build up of toxic metabolites in the gut.

Your stomach acid begins the breakdown of food, especially protein. If the digestive process does not begin correctly, it certainly cannot proceed correctly.

Low stomach acid has more chronic consequences & is more common than high acid, yet millions take acid blockers. Even children can have low stomach acid & associated problems.

Over time, chronic use of acid blockers can lead to vitamin B12 deficiency. One of the first effects of the bacterial overgrowth resulting from decreased acid is the decline of B 12. Vitamin B12 that is bound to dietary protein needs to be released to be absorbed & utilized. This release requires the normal secretion of hydrochloric acid & pepsin. Serum B12 levels are not an adequate way to access B12, though many non-nutritionally oriented doctors only test B12 in this way. A functional B12 defiency occurs before the serum levels are low. There are tests for functional B12 deficiency such as urinary methylmalonic acid, or plasma homocysteine to name a couple. We'll go into more ramifications of B12 in another newsletter.

Low stomach acid also impairs iron & calcium absorption. Other effects of the small bowel bacterial overgrowth are changes & interference with the gall bladder produced bile salts, folic acid & protein deficiency,bacterial degradation of carbohydrates, damage to the lining of the intestines from bacterial enzymes, auto-toxicity, & liver & joint disease.

If you chronically have bloating, an excessive sense of fullness, gas, burning, or indigestion soon after eating, you are a probable candidate for having decreased stomach acid.

If you only occasionally have these symptoms, it may more likely be a food intolerance or another cause.

Other symptoms consistent with low stomach acid are:

Diarrhea or constipation, multiple food allergies, undigested food in the stools, rectal itching, chronic yeast or parasites, acne, dilated blood vessels on the nose & cheeks, & weak, peeling, cracked finger nails.

Some of the illnesses associated with low stomach acid are asthma, adrenal insufficiency, diabetes, eczema, gall bladder problems, chronic hives, psoriasis, osteoporosis, autoimmune disorders, arthritis, thyroid disease, & Helicobacter pylori overgrowth in the stomach.

Food sensitivities can commonly cause GI symptoms. My usual approach to GI symptoms is to first check for food allergies by blood testing. See the labs in the links at http://www.thewayup.com.

If you have a history of chronic gastrointestinal problems, & changing your diet has not completely corrected the symptoms it is helpful to find out how your gut is functioning.

The tests I like for measuring gut function are the Comprehensive Stool & Digestive Analysis at http://www.gsdl.com &/or the Gastrointestinal Function Panel at http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com. The first does provide a stool PH measure which gives some info re acid. Diagnos-Tech at 1-800-87-tests has Gastro Test Capsules for actually measuring gastric PH. Your Dr would have to order these or the lab would need to give you the name of a Dr in your area who orders their tests.

If you want to learn more about this topic see http://www.thewayup.com/books/gastro.htm. I particularly refer you to:
HEALING DIGESTIVE DISORDERS by Andrew Gaeddert
HEARTBURN AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT by James Balch M.D. & Morton Walker D.P.M.
POWER HEALING by Leo Galland M.D.

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Posted by: TrojanMan60563

so if you are low on acid what can be done to make more acid?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Add 1/2 squeezed lemon 15 minutes before your meals and if bloating goes away then you have low stomach acid.

digestive enzymes with beta HCL work good as well..

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I've heard a teaspoon of apple vinegar works...heard of it?

Posted by: oaktownboy

just got back from QXCI...low on potassoim..need to stop using Right Guard and any other deodorant containing aluminum as the main ingredient because it has seeped into my bloodstream..scary ain't it?..My Lyme has gotten weaker since my last visit. Everything looks on track so I will continue on my current supplement regimen.

Posted by: oaktownboy

too bad i'm not a mod cuz i would love to delete ur posts..

Posted by: min0 lee

Done

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

just got back from QXCI...low on potassoim..need to stop using Right Guard and any other deodorant containing aluminum as the main ingredient because it has seeped into my bloodstream..scary ain't it?..My Lyme has gotten weaker since my last visit. Everything looks on track so I will continue on my current supplement regimen.

Glad to hear things are looking up for you...I have a good feeling that you are going to be alright. Have you started feeling better?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

thats awesome!!

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Glad to hear things are looking up for you...I have a good feeling that you are going to be alright. Have you started feeling better?

i haven't noticied anything yet...

Posted by: min0 lee

Love your Sig....I still love you.

Posted by: oaktownboy

look u trasnvestike or wateva the fuck u are..stay outta my journal...quite polluting it..i don't give a fuck about ur opinion

EDIT: AND ANOTHER THING...STOP SENDING ME PM'S

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Can"t You Feel The Love In Here Lol

trojan you are correct 1 tsp of organic apple cider vinegar 15 minutes before meals if there is reflux then add some baking powder to dilute 1 tsp should be fine

Posted by: P-funk

the lime is getting weaker!! Good stuff oak. Hopefully you are on the road to recovery. Hang in bro.

Posted by: sara

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Love your Sig....I still love you.

LOL

Posted by: sara

Everything will be ok Oaktownboy

Posted by: oaktownboy

i hope these supps are doing something...damn i just feel like hitting something

Posted by: hardasnails1973

keep on it bro...WE found the little mother fucker causing everything !!!

ENTAMOEBA HISTOLYTICA o-160 (150) !! normal <110

Posted by: oaktownboy

once again i've been up since 3 with a horrible stomachache..i don't get it...what keeps causing all of this?

Posted by: lpz213

dam, sumthins wrong with u dogg, this thread is old as fuck and its still up, seriously
u prolly need surgery or an operation.

Posted by: oaktownboy

bruh if i knew what was wrong i would have done something by now...

Posted by: oaktownboy

interesting development..my nose started bleeding again..i haven't had that problem my whole life until last year when i was in college..i wonder what could be causing this...

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

interesting development..my nose started bleeding again..i haven't had that problem my whole life until last year when i was in college..i wonder what could be causing this...

Could be dry air in the house causing nose to get dry/crack and bleed. Could be a weak vein up there. I doubt its something major. If you are worried best thing is to go have the doc check it out.

Posted by: min0 lee

I also get nose bleeds during dry heat. It's normal.

Posted by: oaktownboy

yeh at this point i'm just grabiing for straws...tuesdy i am gfoin to doc and getting a whole series of blood tests done..for all tyopes of immune diseases/disorders..everything known to man i want to be tested for

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I think once you get blood work done and they don't find nothing you should just let your mind relax and stop stressing...high levels of stress/anxiety can cause lots of problems. The brain is very powerful and I think you can make yourself sick without having anything actually wrong.

Posted by: oaktownboy

well what am i suppose to do...just tough it out? i would rather just kill myself and be done with the suffering

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

well what am i suppose to do...just tough it out? i would rather just kill myself and be done with the suffering

Yes, you have to tough it out my friend. I know you don't like me anymore but all kidding aside I have had Hepatitis C for God knows how long and it's not an illness to be taken lightly.
The only thing I can do is to eat clean live clean and tough it out.

Killing yourself is not the answer...it's a cop out.
Shit, these past 2 months have been hell for me.
First I have 3rd degree sunburn all over my skin Couldn't go to the gym for a week. Finally on Monday I am able to train I get mauled by my Pit bull on Tuesday night.
I couldn't walk or grip anything for a week and I had to wait a while before training........then me and my Spouse temporally break up............

Life's a bitch but we just have to tough it out.

Posted by: taniea19

Are you pregnant???? Kidding, I'm thinking chrones disease, I think thats how you spell it. Search the internet on that info. My friend suffered from it for a couple of years, Although it is not cureable, It is controllable. They put her on a medicine called reglan.
I sure hope they find something soon, I'll be prayon for ya good luck!

Tanya

Posted by: Cold Iron

Hang in there bud

Posted by: hardasnails1973

lists of test with check for enviromnetal, pathogenic, hormonal, immune dysfunction, heart functions, any hiden mineral and vitamin deficiency..

I have an idea your gluthione are in the shiter screwup your body's immune system !! Gluthione is body's major antioxident that helps recycles alot of vitamins and other antioxidents and is depleted under severe stress AKA DIETING and overtraining

CBC with differential
metatbolic panel
(NK) cell counts
interon alpha
interleukins 1 and 2
IgE and IgG1 and IgG4, IgA (antibodies or antigens to cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr virus, Human herpes virus 6, coxsackie virus,fungus, mold,candida, amoeba, parasites, worms, food allergies, hep a,b,c , HIV - not to scare you)
Heavy metals
IgG
CD4+
CDS+ cell ratios
T cell
T4/T8 cell ratios
t4 count
t8 count
antinuclear antibodies
immunoglobin deficiency
c-reactive protein
heavy metals WHOLE BLOOD
Gluthione
Bicaronates
RBC potassium
magnesium white blood cells
RBC SOD
RBC gluthione
serum cystein
LDH
serum ferritan
serum transferritin
cholesterol
HdL
LDL
HDL/LDL ratio
RBC Folate
Homocysteine
Phosphorous serum
glutathione peroxidase
free testosterone
serum testosterone
reverse t-3
free t-3
free t-4
tsh
thyroid antibodies
estrogen
progesterone
am or pm cortisol
free cortisol
LH
FSH
Dhea
serum b-12
RBC pyridoxyl-5-phosphate level
Lipase
protease
amylase

Posted by: oaktownboy

ok will print this out and take to doctor Tuesday

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I have digestive issues myself and I find that a clean diet and lots of water help things stay right. I drop like 4-5 deuces per day. I have been supplementing my diet with fiber to help with that.

One thing you might want to look into is taking 2oz of wheat grass per day. I have been doing it and I notice more energy and I bounce back quicker from colds etc. 2oz of wheat grass is equal nutrition wise as 18 lbs of broccoli. That 2oz of juice is your entire daily allowance for veggies. Its something to look into. I plan on getting my own juicer and grow my own grass.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Wheat grass juice will irrtate a person with wheat allergies, but i do know what you are saying. Wheat grass helps clean you out because it is good food for good bacteria. And imbalance of Good s bad guys are the basis for alot of peoples problems and the reason for this is that stress changes the ratio from 85% good to 15% bad to more of a upset of balance Bad over good. This imbalance will ultimatiely affect immune system and the chain reactions begins. Alfalfa sprouts are also very good as well as chlorella. i use a product called super green foods that has served its purpose well. Some times bowel problems are not due to diet but rather a body that is locked into a stress mode (sympathetic mood) speeding your metabolism up, causing severely mineral deficiencies resulting in a catabolic state. What needs to be done is to slow down the body so it can rest and restore to become anabolic again. This is the approach I am taking. Kicking my body out of stress mode by mediation relaxation as well taking sam-E and theanine. These 2 supplements reduce the sympathetic response (ex over training) to more parasympathetic mode (anabolic)

Justin ADD in whole blood histine as well check on your allergies if they are stimulating things, but i have an idea what they are going to find is reduced gluthione levels which are very common in CFS as well as lyme disease. My theory is that during dieting training, school, out side variables was the trigger for bringing out the lyme disease which was in remissioin for many years. Stressful enviroment caused over time (years) depletion of your gluthione levels. With gluthione your body can not fight of any virus, bacteria and your immune system weakens. Untill your gluthione levels are restored then your body will have a fighting chance. things the qxci lady is telling you what is going to help this process. I also have a feeling that your histamines level in your blood are going to be high as well causing you to loose minerals. Right now yur body is in stress mode from the bacteria which is causing your body's cellular metabolism to speed up, but you can not get food to it fast enough to help repair it. This is causing severe mineral deficiencies.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

What I've read wheatgrass is very very healthy for you....2oz equals the nutrition of 18 lbs of broccoli....that is impressive to me. I hear wheatgrass also can take an acidic body and make it alkaline.

Posted by: oaktownboy

but right now our bodies can't process any kind of gluten, including wheat...

Posted by: oaktownboy

doctor and I agree that my symptoms of Lyme are probably caused by my GI backup/constipation/inability to digest...running more parasite tests via stoll and see what those results are..might start me on some Phlagil as well..blood tests are way to expsenive to run..estimate:several thousand dollars at least...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

That is a wise choice but do not get them run from labcorp they find nothing run the test from great smokies or parasiotology lab. They seem to catch alot more then other labs . I have there numbers

Posted by: oaktownboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

That is a wise choice but do not get them run from labcorp they find nothing run the test from great smokies or parasiotology lab. They seem to catch alot more then other labs . I have there numbers

labcorp doesn't do my stool tests..they are being sent to some place in washington....great smokies is also on our list of labs to send it to..he has me doing a second stool test whicvh is goin to Arizona..bottom line is all of this shit is cuased by GI problems..i really don't think i have Lyme or any opther disease...we just gotta give me some anitbiotics and kiil the shit in my Gi tract

Posted by: P-funk

How do you think you got these GI problems?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

STRESS (phyiscal, mental, emotional) is the answer becuase it causes mutations in your intestinal tract from good flora to bad flora. Plus not convering nutritional basis when dieting down AKA taking more magnesium, calcium, zinc which are alot of people are deficient in from eating a high protein diet. Even eating the cleanest diet when pushing your bodys matrix can have devasting consequences with out added mineral support.

Justin if he sent it to the Diagnos-Techs lab you are in the best hands !! I am going to send mine there next because they seem to catch things other labs mix. The parasiotology lab in arizona is also top in USA as well. Is your insurance covering this let me know? i have an idea they are going to show dybiosis in the bowel.

Liver detoxification profile would also be a good test to see how liver is functioning. i have an idea you have entoamoeba histolyllica, blastis homocystis, candida. What did the qxci machine pick up? Next time write there names down and see if the compare with the stool samples. I bet your ration of good vs bad bacteria is reversed to more a 40%:60%

Plus the stress from everything may have lowered glutathione levels which increase free radicals in the cells affecting cellular metabolism putting more burden on the liver

Posted by: oaktownboy

no my insurance isn't covering this..my insurance doesn't cover shit

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Oak you should add 20g of fiber to your diet split up into two doses...like Metamusil or something like that....it will help make you go more often as long as you drink lots of water....and it will stop any runs if you got them. The fiber also aids in cleaning out your colon.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Some times fiber adds more flame to the fire because it causes fermentation in the colon and also can cause inflamation to the colon wall. Psyllium is very irritating, most of time fiber does work, but in our instance it will only make things worse especially soluable fiber. We need more insoluable fiber to help push things along. Justin add in potassium citrate 300 mgs with each meals and this will get this moving along as it was indicated on your last qxci reading. Go with what you know that you are lacking and it will help. Your body is in sympathetic mode why you are constipated agigated, irritable as hell, you need to take in more magnesium glycinate and potassium citrate to help your boy to repair and not to go catabolic.

HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS TO BODYBUILDERS THAT PUSH THEM SELVES TO MUCH
Pathway to Disease

By Jerry Tennant, M. D.

The principal control mechanism of the body is the autonomic nervous system. It has two parts, sympathetic (fight or run) and parasympathetic (eat and sleep). When the sympathetic turns on, the parasympathetic turns off.

The sympathetic is turned on by the following mechanisms:

You are really in danger of being hurt (e.g., spousal abuse)
You feel in danger or you feel victimized (In a Box).
Your pH is acidic = too much calcium in the blood and too little magnesium and potassium in the body.
You become allergic to the foods you eat = wheat (gluten), corn, dairy and eggs are the most common because we tend to expose ourselves to them every day.
Actual trauma

When we are sympathetic-on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, we develop typical chronic disease and chronic fatigue because:

1. Parasympathetic shutdown means we don’t make enzymes and don’t have normal blood supply and enervation to the gut because the blood is sent to the muscles so we can fight or run better. That means that even if we eat a perfect diet and take $100 worth of nutriceuticals a day, they won’t be absorbed.

2. Parasympathetic shutdown also means the large intestine won’t work. It’s main function is to conserve water. As the digestive sludge is delivered to the large intestine, it normally extracts the water. Without normal enervation and poor blood supply, this doesn’t work well. There develops a waxy, oily coating of the large intestine. The wall of the gut becomes leaky and inflamed = leaky gut syndrome. This allows large molecule proteins to enter the blood causing allergy. The blood tries to excrete them through the sinuses = sinusitis. The debris invites Candida and parasites to live there because they like to eat the waxy, oily debris. Killing them does little = they will keep returning until the parasympathetic system is re-activated.

3. When the sympathetic system is on, it also turns on all of the endocrine glands so that we can fight or run better. The brain makes more serotonin, dopamine, and nor-epinephrine. The thyroid makes more hormone to increase metabolism. The parathyroid makes more hormone to increase calcium which is necessary for nerve conduction and muscle contraction. The pancreas makes more insulin. The adrenals make more cortisol so more sugar is available. They also make more adrenalin. The gonads make more sex hormones which make us stronger.

4. As we run out of nutrients since the gut doesn’t absorb them, we run out of raw materials to make hormones. Since hormones are made from fat, this ridiculous low-fat diet craze doesn’t help either.

5. In addition to not having the proper building blocks to make hormones, the endocrine glands also just wear out from running 24/7. That means the brain can’t think, your metabolism slows down so you gain weight you can’t lose, lack of adrenalin makes it hard for you to deal with stress, lack of cortisol and insulin makes you hypoglycemic, and lack of sex hormones makes you impotent and then disinterested in sex.

In addition to the endocrine glands, the sympathetic system turns on the immune system. It also runs 24/7 and wears out. You are then susceptible to both external infections and internal infections (the pleomorphic endobionts).

Now you are set up for chronic fatigue and then organ failure. You are susceptible to all sorts of infections. Because your brain doesn’t have the chemicals to think and you are low on adrenalin, you go from anxiety to anger to depression to anxiety to anger to depression. This causes your relationships to fail with your spouse, your parents, your children, your co-workers and your God.

This is what is called the Pathway to Disease. To have any lasting affect, you must go back to the beginning to shut down the sympathetic and turn on the parasympathetic systems. First you must replace the missing magnesium and potassium (and often copper). You must correct the pH with better food choices and a short-term burst of sodium bicarbonate. You must eliminate the food toxins by restricting wheat and corn. Eat fruit for breakfast and meat and vegetables except corn for lunch and supper. Start desensitizing to the wheat and corn by using homeopathics. Then start working with the emotional things that turn on the sympathetic system.

Once we can balance the autonomic system, the gut will start absorbing nutrients, the endocrine glands will rest and recover, the immune system will recover, etc. If you don’t, you’re wasting your time. Killing Candida without turning on the parasympathetic system is like taking the dent out of one fender of a car which has been totaled. The fender may look better, but the car is still a wreck.

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Posted by: oaktownboy

good post

Posted by: hardasnails1973

alot more people are going to fall prey to it as well becuase of the world we live in. Justin next QXCI have them check your alpha and beta waves in brain. MINE WHERE REVERSED. But again we are only chasing symptoms. Also have them check calcium levels as well to see if there are elevated. Also did you get worse in the last three days ? If so there is a full moon and parasites breed tonight so be prepared to have skin and asshole itching LOL So this could give you another indication of parasitic infections. i told the lady last 3 days I was getting bad and she said FULL MOON and I was better before that. Now I just feel locked up. And it is not mental stress either like drs think..

Posted by: oaktownboy

to make matters even worse, I think my dad may be going bankrupt. we have bills stacked all over the place and i'm sure it's just a matter of time before i lose the internet as well..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

justin something that might even help you more may be a simple piss test to see if you have overgrowth in your small intestines. Oh by the way people with so called IBS were found to have over 80% small bacteria overgrowth intestines. HMMM. could it have been that simple?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

to make matters even worse, I think my dad may be going bankrupt. we have bills stacked all over the place and i'm sure it's just a matter of time before i lose the internet as well..

Go to www.netzero.com and sign up...you get like 10 hours of use per month for free....its dial-up and sucks but I had to do it when money was tight....nothing beats the cable modem I have now...its super pimp. But go check out netzero and get it downloaded so incase the ISP turns you off you can log onto netzero.

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin see if you can get an asshole dr to check your phosphate levels, parathyroid. The one dr did tell you were low on vitamin D right. Well vitamin D deficiency causes your parathyroid to speed up depeting your body of magesiium, phosphorous. And with out phoshporous you AINT going to shit or be able to digest food or build muscle, or fight off any infections. If you can not break down protein you not breaking down Phosphorus which makes ATP --which = major energy.

During contest I do not think it had anything to do with my multivitamin at that time, but rather not getting enough sun during the summer time and too much caffine/ephederine depleting my magnesium levels. Here is my theory. First of all I stopped tanning in septemeber and was basically confined to indoors for 80% of the time because of work and studying so having not built up enough vitamin D during the summer time I was slowly depleting my vitamin D from also lack of sun light and eating alot of calcium and phosphorus based foods PROTEIN. The depletion of vitamin D lead into a secondary hyperparathyroism which started raising my calcium levels in the blood as indicated on previous blood tests. This eventually ended in hypercalcemia (constipation) induced by secondary hyperthyroidism which in turn started to deplete my phosphorous levels as well as magnesium. This resulted in lowering my immune system and leaving vulernable to parasite infections, anxiety without sufficent magnesium and phosphorus there was not way my body could cope with any out side stress so my adrenals got stressed, lowering my thyroid and eventually burning both of them out. As on my hair anaylsis i have lowered magnesium levels as well as phosphorous levels that are idenitical in levels. On QXCI my calcium levels where elevated and lowered phosphorus levels, vitamin D levels, magnesium. On my hair analysis it showed that calcium was higher then phosphorus as well as magnesium so the correlation is ideinitcal. Now the parasites are a symptoms of the cause which is the imbalance in calcium metaboism which is causing alkalosis in the blood and acidosis in the tissue. And with out phosphorus cortisol will not be made as well as ATP the main cellular energy. So to solve the problem we need to address the calcium metabolism imbalance and vitamin D deficiency. The qxci machine also pointed out that Nat PHOS was an appropiate remedy as well as silicia which are both alkalizng agents. i think we hit the nail on the head with the parathyroid imbalance!!

Remedy of the problem is to increase phosphorous levels and vitamin D levels to balance out the calcium metabolism while supporting the adrenals. By taking care of the calcium metabolism imbalance acidosis will be corrected and body will go back to normal bringing body back into harmoniy once again

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic278.htm

Posted by: oaktownboy

went to QXCI lady today and she said she agress with my doctor's diagnosis..something is going on inside my stomach and probably parasites..will start Phlagil this week..

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Justin,
Flagyl is probably not the most effective against parasites. Vermox or amoebex is but normally drs will not prescribe them with out stool samples coming back postiive. REmember if your body is acidic then you will never get rid of them and they will keep coming back. Acidic conditoin would be a primary concern and parathyroid is control mechanism for that, but if your mineral level looks good. Calcium is not out of range as well as phosphorus, magensoum and vitamin D levels look good then it is the parasites...

Posted by: oaktownboy

well my doctor recommended Phlagil...he already wrote the prescription for me, but i am waiting for my test results to come back to see if i tested positive..we got one coming back from washington and arizona so it hsould just be matter of days since both near me..buti can ask him about the 2 u mentioned

Posted by: antelope07

Hey bro, I have been keeping up on your situation. Sounds like maybe you are getting the answers you need. I hope it all works out.
Ant

Posted by: oaktownboy

starting Flagyl ie Metronidazole today..hopefully this solves the problem...on a side note, i thought i twas funny that the warning on the prescription says do not take with alcohol: may cause death or a deathly sickness....LMAO

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

sounds like you should avoid alcohol huh?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

oh if you have candida it gives of a form of alcohol. So be careful ..Just kidding. I still think you are treating symptoms of adrenal imbalances which are parasites, auto immune diseases. But getting rid of parasites will releive stress on adrenals and help to rebalance system. So you have been on the right track. When going back to qxci lady keep check on your adrenals because they have been taking a beating as well.. and will affect food metabolism

Posted by: oaktownboy

what if the phlagil doesn't work? i am running out of ideas...

Posted by: hardasnails1973

THIS MAY HELP !! Now to get dr to prescribe it is another situation

My doctor had me on oral cortisol for 3 months so that my own adrenal glands could take a nice big rest and recover from the terrible stress they’ve been under all these years. It worked. I began taking these doses as soon as I got home from his office so I ingested 15 mg before bedtime that first day. That night, for the first time in years, I could breathe normally while I slept; I had been suffering from sleep apnea and had also developed "chokes"---each night when I first fell asleep, my saliva would run down and fill my windpipe and I’d wake up drowning on my own spit, coughing and sputtering for 10-15 minutes before my windpipe would fully clear, gasping for air the entire time. The Cortef cured this problem on the first day! My constant foot pain was gone in 2 days. About a month later, I forgot to take my suppertime and bedtime cortef doses; that night I choked again for the first time since I started Cortef

Posted by: hardasnails1973

Over the Counter remedy: Hydrocortisone Cream 1% - 1/4 teaspoon massaged into the skin daily contains about 10 mg of hydrocortisone cortisone and twice daily would be 20 mg. Based on an article by David Brownstein MD, it is best not to exceed 30 mg of cortisone daily. Cortisone is available as a prescription and hydrocortisone topical creams are available without a prescription. The topical application of a cream will result in absorption into the blood the same as if it were taken orally. Do not exceed 1/2 teaspoon of a 1% hydrocortisone cream daily without checking with a health care professional.

http://www.keephopealive.org/v2002.html alot of reading but it is worth it

Posted by: oaktownboy

am waiting to see if doc will proscribe me cortef

Posted by: hardasnails1973

well if he does not then you have an alternative..also every time I stop that maca i go down hill. My thyroid levels actually stabilized on that then on drugs and i felt really good and when I stopped I crashed and went back wards. Reason why iy work is because it feeds your pituitary which balances all your other hormones. I take that stuff and shit with in 1 hour later. I can not explain it ..

Posted by: oaktownboy

well he just called in the prescritpion so I'm good to go tomorrow

Posted by: hardasnails1973

So does he know how to use it ?

Posted by: hardasnails1973

based on the information I have found is start at 5 mgs at 8 am 5 mgs at 2 pm for 2 days then increase to 7 1/2 mgs am and 5 mgs at 2 pm and may be 2.5 mgs at bed time. then increase to 5 at 8,12,4,before bed time. If you take it before you sleep and you have insomnia then cut back dosage to 10 mgs @ 8am 5 mgs 12 pm, 4 pm after 1-3 months you can taper off it SLOWLY DO NOT GO OVER 20 mgs a day. You want cortisol to peak in the morning and then taper as day goes on. The best that is working for me is 10 mgs 8 am 5mgs 12, 5 pm. but again I know where my cortisol levels are. Even given to healthy people at 20 mgs after 2 months there was no adrenal suppression. BUT DO NOT GO OVER 20 mgs a day

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