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N E 1 hear of the 15yr old football player dying of a helmet to helmet hit?

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Posted by: Sean0621

Yeah nobody went the Canadian route yet good job Ian, and quit kicking my ass in fantasy football while your at it.

Posted by: Sean0621

Damn Mcnabb

Posted by: tucker01

I think I may lose this week

Posted by: BigKev75

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Premier

That's not a good way to look at it.

Sh!t happens? WTF?

You wouldn't be saying that if it happened to your brother, best friend or you.

If it was my brother I'd want revenge on the arrogant jerk who did the H to H hit.

& the sh!t happens attitude IMO is unnacceptable.

If you tackle properly, H to H it's are avoidable completely, this is something our defensive coordinator taught our defense as one of his best friends in college had his career ended (but didn't die) b/c of a H to H hit.

If you tackle properly H to H hits are avoidable.

IMO from what I've seen while playing & in NCAA/NFL games someone who commits doing it on purpose to hurt the guy & that shows great arrogance as out of 5 college or NFL games I don't see many H to H hits & when there is the odd one, it's b/c it was a prick of a player trying to hurt the guy.

That's why it needs to be much more enforced.

Have you EVER played football on a team? Highschool, College etc?

Posted by: Johnnny

IanDaniel

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Let's see Johnnny played Canadian High School football

prolly the equivilant of playing with your budies in a park in the States.
And Canadian College Football

Equivlant of a US High School
Team.

Seeing how you're a fellow Canadian this really saddens, me. This is the type of comment I would expect from "CERTAIN" Americans, not a Canadian.

Why is Canadian football not good enough for you? Football is football no matter where it's played.

personally I think the CFL has more productive players that go to the NFL than NFLEL does. Brock Lesnar was so bad in Minnesota that he was sent to NFLEL & has to wait until next spring to even play.

Look at Rocket Ismail who played Canadian football for years b4 going to the NFL.

Doug Flutie was born in the CFL along with his teammate Steve Christie who both had very, very sucessful careers in the NFL.

BigKev75

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Have you EVER played football on a team? Highschool, College etc?

Have you even read the entire thread?

Or wait forgive me, you're probably new here as you wouldn't know that football is why I started training in highschool in 1993.

I played running back for 7yrs.

Posted by: PreMier

You think Canada has mor productive players that go to the NFL? Now I know your a dumb fuck. LMAO!!!

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Dude, Canadian pro football is a joke.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

..Seeing how you're a fellow Canadian this really saddens, me. This is the type of comment I would expect from "CERTAIN" Americans, not a Canadian...

I thought the same thing..

I don't agree with you about Canada being a hotbed for football talent, but I don't know if that was your point??. It is a fact though that alot of NFL greats got their start in the CFL but all the athletes that come to mind were American and went to American schools. You can probably name a few Canadian athletes that went to Canadian schools then the CFL then to the NFL but I can't.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Dude, Canadian pro football is a joke.

Ouch..Duncan you are going to hurt our fealings and make us some sad Canadians

...Johnnny take pride in the fact that we own their ass when it comes to Hockey.

Posted by: Sean0621

You or Canada can't take credit for Doug Flutie being great, he's a product of Boston College and probably their greatest quarterback, and he was born and raised in the USA. It's kinda like how the US has a ton of Hockey teams yet hardly any US players. But uh anyways Doug Flutie was born in Manchester, Maryland. Oh and the Ismael brothers were born in New Jersey the missile went to Syracuse and the Rocket went to Notre Dame. God you suck Johnnny.

Posted by: Johnnny

Premier

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You think Canada has mor productive players that go to the NFL? Now I
know your a dumb fuck. LMAO!!!

First you need to learn to spell as the word mor has an e at the end of it.

2nd, many NFL stars started out in the CFL

3rd if your "American" players are soooooo much better than our Canadian football players than why is it that more than half the players in the CFL are from the United States?

I have my opinions about that already.

Duncans Donuts

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Dude, Canadian pro football is a joke.

Not true, our pro players are just as big, strong & fast as the American players as half the players in the league come from the US.

Montreal's O line averages 305lbs & 6ft2 average in height.

Our recievers are just as big & strong & fast as others.

& our QB went to Utah State which I know isn't known for football, but he is a great QB.

He had a try out with Pittsburgh Steelers but they didn't take him b/c of one aspect, that they said he couldn't scramble yet in a playoff game last year he took it up the middle for a 50 yard TD run himself so that's BS.

Are LB's & secondary are just as fast, big/strong & have just as much talent as the NFL players.

But the league will never pay them the same amount.

Posted by: PreMier

Sorry, I forgot to use the SpelChek. You fucking English teacher..

Posted by: Sean0621

johnnny you know what the canadian Football League is. Left overs of whoever could not make it into the NFL.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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You or Canada can't take credit for Doug Flutie being great, he's a product of Boston College and probably their greatest quarterback, and he was born and raised in the USA. It's kinda like how the US has a ton of Hockey teams yet hardly any US players. But uh anyways Doug Flutie was born in Manchester, Maryland. Oh and the Ismael brothers were born in New Jersey the missile went to Syracuse and the Rocket went to Notre Dame. God you suck Johnnny.

Very good Sean!!

You looked up some history on the internet.

I knew that along time ago.

I never said either of them were Canadian, but their career's began in Canada along with other NFL greats.

But if it wasn't for the CFL Doug Flutie wouldn't have had the chance he did to prove himself.

Steve Christie the MVP NFL kicker however is Canadian & grew up in Oakvill Ontario not too far from Toronto. A friend of the family went to highschool with Steve & he had a great NFL kicking career.

Posted by: Johnnny

Premier

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Sorry, I forgot to use the SpelChek. You fucking English teacher..

No english teacher here, just point out someone who can't write & probably can't read.

You even spelled SpelChek wrong, it's Spell Check.

Take some basic english man.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

..3rd if your "American" players are soooooo much better than our Canadian football players than why is it that more than half the players in the CFL are from the United States?..

Hmmm...

..What are you trying to say here?? ...It sounds like you are saying we are lacking in Canadian talent.

I am a very proud Canadian and I am not going to take part in any Canada vs. America thread because it is pointless.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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johnnny you know what the canadian Football League is. Left overs of whoever could not make it into the NFL.

Here is an agreement with the NFL & CFL: http://www.nfl.com/international/story/7459802

So Doug Flutie was a leftover?

Rocket Ismail was a leftover?

Posted by: Johnnny

Madden Player

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I am a very proud Canadian and I am not going to take part in any Canada vs. America thread because it is pointless.

Very good point it is pointless, but I only pointed it out b/c what Sean0621 & Premier started up with.

But I never said that Canada has a shortage of football talent, just pointing out that we have many Americans & NFLers on our rosters.

But as to the Americans who play here, they aren't leftovers, as many of them had extrordanary NFL careers, won Super Bowls, went to Pro Bowls & broke NFL records, doesn't sound like left over material to me.

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Premier

No english teacher here, just point out someone who can't write & probably can't read.

You even spelled SpelChek wrong, it's Spell Check.

Take some basic english man.

Hey you dense fuck. I spelled it right. Just look at how its spelled below the quick reply box. I was being sarcastic. I also type fast.. so I am not looking at every letter of every word unlike yourself. Don't assume anything about my education, because I bet it puts yours to shame. Probably more so than Duncans 40 and lifts put yours to shame

BTW, you forgot to capitolize "English" in your post... you jackass.

Posted by: Johnnny

Here is another link:

http://www.nflcanada.com/NFLCanadaNews02/0627.html

Premier

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Don't assume anything about my education, because I bet it puts yours to shame. Probably more so than Duncans 40 and lifts put yours to shame

BTW, you forgot to capitolize "English" in your post... you jackass.

You really can't spell can you. "capitolize" is spelled capitalize read a book for crying out loud.

What did you graduate with Basket Weaving? Or Swimming Pool Management?

& that's all the "smart" comments you have to say is that Duncans 40 & lifts beats me?

But his 40 only beat mine by a second or 2 give or take a few .seconds no big deal.

& he hasn't mentioned his lifts yet but his seated military press at 225lbs didn't beat mine at about 240lbs give or take a few lbs for about 3-4 reps. I also did about 210-215lbs standing military strict form using shoulders only.

I currently use about 190-195lbs standing for 2-4 reps with strict shoulder only form which is still good.

My lifts b4 my condition beat yours along with my 40.

Posted by: madden player

Johnnny don't turn this into a pissing contest.

Posted by: tucker01

I am a proud Canadian, but I realize that we as a country have shit development of football players. Hockey any day of the week our second string team would whoop any countries ass

The CFL is just a league that the NFL has saved from extinction. The players that play in it like previously said are players who are overlooked ie Doug Flutie becuase of his size, or just plain wannabes, and guys who don't know when to quit. Don't get me wrong they are better than the average football player and yes that includes you Johnnny with your 4.5 sec 40

Just because they play in the CFL doesn't mean that Canada developed them. Most of the Coaches are American as well as the players. And the only reason there aren't more American players is because the CFL has made rules that make teams carry so many Canadians.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I am a proud Canadian, but I realize that we as a country have shit development of football players. Hockey any day of the week our second string team would whoop any countries ass

Well said.

Posted by: madden player

Look at Andre "bad moon" Rison, Anyone can correct me if I am wrong but isn't he only playing in Toronto to pay child support or something??

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

God Johnny, are you really trying to get into this?

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& he hasn't mentioned his lifts yet but his seated military press at 225lbs didn't beat mine at about 240lbs give or take a few lbs for about 3-4 reps. I also did about 210-215lbs standing military strict form using shoulders only.

Current lifts:
Squat: 430 x 16
Rack Deadlift: 645 x 2 (I won't get into regular deadlifts)
Military press: 225 x 7
Closegrip bench press: 260 x 8

For the less important exercises
Barbell curl: 150 x 7
Leg extension: 180 x 4 (per leg)
Behind the back shrug: 335 x 5

Posted by: Johnnny

madden player

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Johnnny don't turn this into a pissing contest.

I'm not turning it into anything, just responding to Premier's typical jackassed remarks.

Randy shafted him really badly in another thread, now I know why.

IanDaniel

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I am a proud Canadian, but I realize that we as a country have shit development of football players. Hockey any day of the week our second string team would whoop any countries ass

The CFL is just a league that the NFL has saved from extinction. The players that play in it like previously said are players who are overlooked ie Doug Flutie becuase of his size, or just plain wannabes, and guys who don't know when to quit. Don't get me wrong they are better than the average football player and yes that includes you Johnnny with your 4.5 sec 40 Just because they play in the CFL doesn't mean that Canada developed them. Most of the Coaches are American as well as the players. And the only reason there aren't more American players is because the CFL has made rules that make teams carry so many Canadians.

First let me say you're starting to sound like some of these guys here.

But yes the CFL players are better than me, I never said they weren't, but had I kept playing & not had my thyroid condition I "might've" had a chance as at the time my coach had an in with the Montreal Alouettes.

But the players truly blossomed in the CFL, had the CFL not given them a chance, they'd be businessmen or something & would not even had played football & wouldn't have played in the NFL

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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God Johnny, are you really trying to get into this?

No just proving to Premier that my lifts were just as good as yours. I too possessed 405lb squat legs parallel to the floor for several reps just as you do.

I currently just use between 315-350lbs legs parallel to the floor for 8-12 reps as I'm trying to keep my knees healthy now & don't need to go heavy.

Anyway I've had fun here but I'm off to go & see Montreal Alouettes beat up on The Blue Bombers with several of my teammates that I was close with.
We'll be on the 50 yard line.

Madden Player

http://www.cfl.ca/CFLTeams/tor_roster.html

You are correct that Andre Rison plays for Toronto. He is one of my favorite WR. Yo Murphy who won the a Super Bowl ring with The Rams against Tenesse also plays for Ottawa.

Posted by: Sean0621

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

But as to the Americans who play here, they aren't leftovers, as many of them had extrordanary NFL careers, won Super Bowls, went to Pro Bowls & broke NFL records, doesn't sound like left over material to me.

Again you are a moron, all those pro bowlers went to the cFL after their NFL careers were finished. Not one of those pro bowlers went to the cFL in their prime. And if they did happen to thrive in the cFL after putting up poor numbers their last couple of years in the NFL, then what does that tell you about the cFL, well I'll tell you, it further exploits how inferior the cFL is to the NFL. Oh and I'm glad you point out that a famous kicker was from Canada, actually many NFL kickers are foreigners, usually former soccer players, but taking pride in producing players for the most pussy position in Football is a new one John John. Enjoy your fucking game of two teams I've never even heard of, hopefully your team gets blown out.

Posted by: BigKev75

Im glad I didn't read all the posts in this THREAD. To much arguing.

CFL - Give players from college time to mature and develop their skills.

Also stated by Johnny that over 50% of the CFL players are Americans then how are Americans not better? Since they are playing in Canada.

As far as former NFL Pro Bowlers/Stars. Most people will not admit to them selfs that their Carrier is over. People love the game and will go to the CFL to keep playing.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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Again you are a moron, all those pro bowlers went to the cFL after
their NFL careers were finished. Not one of those pro bowlers went to the
cFL in their prime. And if they did happen to thrive in the cFL after
putting up poor numbers their last couple of years in the NFL, then what
does that tell you about the cFL, well I'll tell you, it further
exploits how inferior the cFL is to the NFL. Oh and I'm glad you point out
that a famous kicker was from Canada, actually many NFL kickers are
foreigners, usually former soccer players, but taking pride in producing
players for the most pussy position in Football is a new one John John.
Enjoy your fucking game of two teams I've never even heard of, hopefully
your team gets blown out.

Fine you want to get into an insulting match?

You really are the idiot here.

I also noticed you didn't even capitalize the c in CFL but you capitalized the n in NFL how cute & ignorant.

IF the CFL didn't give ppl like Doug Flutie or the Rocket Ismail they'd be working in an office or washing cars.

Fine say that the CFL didn't develop these types of overlooked players. But if they didn't play in the CFL they wouldn't have played at all & that's the bottom line.

The NFL scouts & teams watch the CFL players all the time looking for new talent or players who might not have gotten a fair chance just as this link http://www.nflcanada.com/NFLCanadaNews02/0627.html proves.

& here is another link http://www.nflcanada.com/NFLCanadaNews02/0627.html you can look up any player you want using the alphabet & see the status of their contracts & what current team owns their rights.

Well over half the inactive players you will see there aren't even playing in the CFL so that business about it being a "leftover league for Americans" is full of it.

Here's a perfect example of RB Autry Denson who spent about 6 or 7yrs in the NFL on big teams who already had top running backs such as Chicago who drafted him & they had & still have Anthony Thomas from Michigan & you're not going to replace him, he went to Miami who at the time had Ricky Williams & nobody was about to replace him, he also went to Tampa Bay who had Michael Pittman & FB Mike Alstott, no chance there, Indianapolis who has Edgerrin James top notch, & then back to Chicago who still had & has Anthony Thomas.

This is al ot of the reasons why players get cut from their teams as the teams already have a top player for whatever the position is so the team doesn't need to spend money on extra players when they have a top player at a particular position.

Posted by: Sean0621

That's a great post Johnnny, but how does this support your original argument that the cFL is any better than the NFL. Oh and players who never get any playtime in the NFL that leave to play in the cFL are still leftovers.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

..I also noticed you didn't even capitalize the c in CFL but you capitalized the n in NFL how cute & ignorant..

Yeah what's up with that??..I hope you are not disrespecting my country??..maybe you use the small c because you have a small d***.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Johnny using anecdotes to proove a point doesn't work. Anecdotes typically are exceptions, not the rule. You can come up with a heroic story of obscurity in any scene, but it's not typical. The NFL is so vasty superior to the CFL that the argument itself is absurd.

Posted by: Sean0621

No madden I'm not doin it to piss all of Canada off, just Johnnny, so take no offense.

Posted by: Sean0621

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Johnny using anecdotes to proove a point doesn't work. Anecdotes typically are exceptions, not the rule. You can come up with a heroic story of obscurity in any scene, but it's not typical. The NFL is so vasty superior to the CFL that the argument itself is absurd.

Ever notice that he likes to argue the exception like it's the rule.

Posted by: madden player

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

..The NFL is so vasty superior to the CFL that the argument itself is absurd.

No arguement here. It is like comparing apples to oranges..How many athletes in the CFL have regular 9-5 jobs in the off season just to pay the bills??..I may be wrong but I think that there is quite a few. I don't think this happens all that much in anyother pro league sport in North America. Someone please correct me it I am wrong.

It is a very competitive leauge though, and I like the Canadian rules but I can't see a game between the "Grey Cup" champs and the "Superbowl" champs being competitive..It would be a blowout IMO.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Sean0621

No madden I'm not doin it to piss all of Canada off, just Johnnny, so take no offense.

Cool

Posted by: Johnnny

First I never meant to say that the nfl was better than the CFL.

I said many of the players in the CFL are nFL material who have been overlooked such as Autry Denson. Another great running back who played for NorthWestern while Ron Powlus (another over looked player by the nFL who only had one good WR Derrick Mayes who could actually catch his most of the time perfect passes, btw he's still with Phili) was at Notre Dame as I saw this Notre Dame Vs. North Western game was

running back Darnell Autry, full size, full speed & strength. He was drafted by The Eagles to the nFL in 1997. He lasted about 3yrs in the nFL & then that was it. He wasn't even taken by the CFL which means that he didn't get adequite playing time to prove him self so neither the CFL or the nFL decided to keep him.

Posted by: Johnnny

I saw the first Helmet to Helmet hit in the nFL this year.

It was during the New York Giants & Cleevland Browns game.

Gibril Wilson DB #28 of the Giants dove his head right into the Browns WR Andre King towards the sidelines.

He did it on purpose to be a jerk. He literally dove his head first right into the face of Andre King's face mask & Gibril Wilson & the Giants were penalized 15 yards.

I've seen many diving hits such as this hit & you're normally supposed to keep your head below neck level to avoid these helmet to helmet hits & from the instant replay, Gibril Wilson could've clearly avoided that helmet to helmet hit & you could hear the hit from the camera that's how hard it was.

& Gibril Wilson also had a guilty look on his face after he did that hit.

What a fn' jerk Gibril Wilson is.

But luckily no one was hurt or at least not at the moment.

I know our DB's were taught if diving hits such as that one by the sidelines were needed, they were taught to keep the head below the other guys neck with their shoulder going into the oppents upper body.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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That's a great post Johnnny, but how does this support your original
argument that the cFL is any better than the NFL. Oh and players who
never get any playtime in the NFL that leave to play in the cFL are still
leftovers.

I never said the CFL was better than the nFL. I said it has almost as much talent as the nFL.

IMO many players & their capabilities are overlooked so the CFL decides to give these players the chance that the nFL didn't.

Like I said if you're a player on a team in the nFL who already is set for at least a few years in a particular position despite the individual's talent, he won't see much playing time b/c they already have a star player under a full contract.

So from what the nFL players I've met & actually sat down with & talked to have told me that there are many guys who get over looked.

But you didn't even answer the big question, what about the guys who are inactive in the nFL & don't even make it to the CFL?

Someone like TE David LaFleur drafted by Dallas in 1997 who played for a few years, Dallas owns his rights still & he's not playing ball at all anywhere.

& many of the CLF players play there just for the love of the game.

I had one member here who plays DB in the NCAA in division 1 or 2 I forget, ask me many questions about the CFL as he just like many CFL players just want to play for the love of the game.

To me I have much more respect than these new "super fly" greedy assed rookies who only want $50 million when they've never even played a game.

I don't have respect for these guys.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

..But luckily no one was hurt or at least not at the moment..

Post concussion syndrome..

It is sad to see a once great athlete that can't put a simple sentence together, But it is an occupational hazard. At the NFL level they are all big boys and they know the risks involved with their sport. It is the risk you take. I'd trade a concussion or two for a career in pro sports.

Posted by: Sean0621

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Sean0621

nFL

You're so original Johnnny.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

You can't judge intent based on a knee jerk observation, Johnny.

Posted by: gr81

^^rubish... of course I can jump to inane conclusions and pronounce everyone who falls under my category of accidental ineptness as a jerk! I am johnnny.. hear me roar!

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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You're so original Johnnny.

Now you see how childish you are being.

Anyway the helmet to helmet hit Girbril Wilson gave to the Browns WR Andre King wasn't necessary. He did it on purpose to be a jerk.

He could've kept his head down like you're supposed to.

I still stand by my opinion that these hits are avoidable.

Posted by: Sean0621

The real shame Johnnny is that you cannot see how stupid you sound and how your stubbornness is a weakness.

Posted by: gr81

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I still stand by my opinion

yes you do, hell I bet every Defensive player from the probowl could disagree with you and you still would sit there all hard headed wouldn't ya

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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The real shame Johnnny is that you cannot see how stupid you sound and how your stubbornness is a weakness.

& the fact that you're a moron is your weakness.

gr81

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yes you do, hell I bet every Defensive player from the probowl could disagree with you and you still would sit there all hard headed wouldn't ya

Not true, I've also been on several nFL trips over the last several years & I met one DT from Buffalo as Buffalo isn't very far from my cousins house, I met & spoke with DT Pat Williams who in his eyes helmet to helmet hits are avoidable.

From Pat Williams point of view he strongly felt that helmet to helmet hits are avoidable & not part of the game.

But you guys probably won't believe me.

I don't see why you ppl think it's so hard to meet the pro atheletes. You go to some games, you know ppl who work at stadiums & you get to meet them after the game is finished not so special or VIP.

Posted by: Sean0621

Wow that must be the first thing you talk about every time you meet an NFL Player. Hi my name is johnnny, you played in the NFL right, then you would agree that Helmet to Helmet hits are avoidable, thanks have a nice day. Jesus johnnny I just don't believe a damn thing you say, your story is as thin as Mary Kate Olsen.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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Wow that must be the first thing you talk about every <meet an NFL Player. Hi my name is johnnny, you played in the NFL right, then you would agree that Helmet to Helmet hits are avoidable, thanks have a nice day. Jesus johnnny I just don't believe a damn thing you say, your story is as thin as Mary Kate Olsen

Sorry dude, I don't give a sh!t what you believe.

But no that's not how it went down. My cousin & I were actually invited out by Pat Tillman & a couple of his friends for drinks later on in the evening.

& my cousin & I were able to talk football for awhile along with other subjects.

It really is no big deal or that hard meeting pro athletes, actors & wrestlers.

I got to meet Sylvester Stallone when he was in Toronto at the Molson Indy filming the movie Driven b/c my buddy in TO has a private pit suite & his father has a lot of connections there.

I've met several WWE wrestlers at my gym so it really isn't that big of a deal meeting these ppl.

I don't know why you think it's soooo impossible.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Wow. I've seen some absurd hokum on the internet, but the idea that after meeting a pro athlete you immediately brought up a point that relates to this argument in which said athlete agreed with you - not in theory, but EXACTLY, COMPLETELY, IDENTICALLY HAD THE SAME POINT YOU HAD - that idea is ludicrous.

I will repeat: ludicrous. I know a man named Gerald Willhite who played for the Denver Broncos for nearly a decade as a starting tailback. Live right down the street from him. In the 100 times I've talked to him, not once did I bring up helmet to helmet shots. But Johnny meets a pro player and brings it up in one conversation. Amazing.

lu·di·crous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ld-krs)
adj.

Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.

God bless you Johnnny, but you accused me of taking steroids, then called me a liar when I said you were wrong, THEN called my brother (officer Pearce) a liar, then you called everyone who rallied to my support liars; now it's time for me to call you a liar, sir. You are a complete and utter liar. You are the biggest internet liar I've met, and I've had 15 year old guys tell me that their penises were over a foot long. Your credibility is somewhere between Scott Peterson and a homeless lunatic rambling to nobody on a street corner how he invented tungsten.

Posted by: Sean0621

So what did Sylvester Stallone and Pat Tillman think of Helmet to helmet hits. johnnny I don't know which is harder to believe whether or not you actually meet and hang out with all these sports stars, or whether or not to believe you actually have a friend.

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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Wow. I've seen some absurd hokum on the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=internet&v=56">internet</a>, but the idea that after meeting a pro athlete you immediately brought up a point that relates to this argument in which said athlete agreed with you - not in theory, but EXACTLY, COMPLETELY, IDENTICALLY HAD THE SAME POINT YOU HAD - that idea is ludicrous.

I will repeat: ludicrous. I know a man named Gerald Willhite who played for the Denver Broncos for nearly a decade as a starting tailback. Live right down the street from him. In the 100 times I've talked to him, not once did I bring up helmet to helmet shots. But Johnny did in one conversation. Amazing.

lu·di·crous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ld-krs)
adj.

Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.

God bless you Johnnny, but you accused me of taking steroids, then called me a liar when I said you were wrong, THEN called my brother (officer Pearce) a liar; now it'stime for me to call you a liar, sir. You are a complete and utter liar. You are the biggest <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=internet&v=56">internet</a> liar I've met, and I've had 15 year old guys tell me that their penises were over a foot long. Your credibility is somewhere between Scott Peterson and a homeless lunatic rambling to nobody on a street corner how he invented tungsten.

The helmet to helmet discussion came about during the course of the evening as my cousin was discussing defensive line playing as my cousin was a defensive tackle at about 285lbs at around 6ft4 & the helmet to helmet hitting subject came about.

& this was in September 2000.

I never said your brother the cop was a liar, I only said that cops were some of the most dishonest ppl involved in their city's organized crime ring.

But you can't compare me meeting atheletes to your steroid use, totally 2 different things.

Like I said it's not that hard to meet these actors, athletes & so on it's just a matter of being in the right place at the right time & even knowing certain ppl.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

MY STEROID USE? PARDON ME SIR?

Camarosuper6 is my brother. When he said I'm clean, you said I was taking steroids. When he said that I was clean again, you said I was taking steroids. SO WAS HE JUST CONFUSED AS HE LIVED WITH ME FOR 20 YEARS (he moved away 2 months away), or were you meaning he was a liar? Or are we still lying?

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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So what did Sylvester Stallone and Pat Tillman think of Helmet to helmet hits. johnnny I don't know which is harder to believe whether or not you actually meet and hang out with all these sports stars, or whether or not to believe you actually have a friend.

Now you're getting personal.

You don't know sh!t about who I know, who I've met or what I've discussed with these ppl.

Not too mention the friends I have, you don't know them as I made many descent friends while playing football.

But you're starting to convince me that you don't have any friends as you're wasting your time trying to insult me when there's plenty of better things you could be doing.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Nobody fucking cares how big your cousin is, don't list the stats. Nobody is impressed.

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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MY STEROID USE? PARDON ME SIR?

Camarosuper6 is my brother. When he said I'm clean, you said I was taking steroids. When he said that I was clean again, you said I was taking steroids. SO WAS HE JUST CONFUSED AS HE LIVED WITH ME FOR 20 YEARS (he moved away 2 months away), or were you meaning he was a liar? Or are we still lying?

Well your brother could very well be jucing with you for all we know & just backing you up here.

I've heard about incidences such as this, 2 brothers keeping their steroid use a secret so all their friends think they're Superman.

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Nobody fucking cares how big your cousin is, don't list the stats. Nobody is impressed.

Well you've listed your military presses, your 405lb squat, your 4.327 or whatever 40yard dash & so on so I'm listing my own stats & my cousin as he's bigger than you even now at 250lbs.

Well you're starting up again so it's a waste of time.

I personally don't care if you believe me or not, but I'd believe someone who's met athletes & actors over ppl & steroid use as it's much more of a common thing to lie about.

Posted by: PreMier

I dont believe you have met anyone either. You are a compulsive liar IMO.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Are you fucking joking? Every lift I posted was a response to YOUR BRAGGING. DO YOU NOT RECALL? And my squat is 430 pounds, for 18 reps. Sorry, but I feel the need to brag about everything because I feel that if I toss out impressive numbers then my dumb fucking argument suddenly has validity.

Me and my brother are pretending to be supermen now. You're a hypocrite, you really are a goddamn hypocrite. You accuse other people of taking steroids after you make up the dumbest stories anyone has ever heard. And my brother and me are conspiring against everyone, and we really juice.

You accusing him of juicing now too, I assume? Get some proof before you throw a personal accusation. The story you bring up is in the context of the conversation, and is subject to speculation because it sounds ridiculous. How was steroid use ever a part of the context of this debate when you brought it up? Even your INSULTS are stupid, because they make no sense relative to the debate.

Posted by: Johnnny

Premier

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I dont believe you have met anyone either. You are a compulsive liar IMO.

Like I said it's not that hard or impossible to meet these celebrities & athletes.

IMO you are just jealous.

It's just a matter of being in the right place at the right time & knowing the right ppl. If it wasn't for my security friend who was working there, I wouln't have been able to meet Pat Williams (not Pat Tillman as someone said as he played for Arizona not Bufallo & was a DB not a DT).

So it really isn't much of a big deal as for RB John Avery I met him at a Toronto Argo's game as he's there now b/c he doesn't want to retire yet. Mercury Hayes WR played in Montreal b/c he wasn't ready to retire either & I met him at my friends club, nothing out of the ordinary.

Duncans Donuts

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Are you fucking joking? Every lift I posted was a response to YOUR BRAGGING. DO YOU NOT RECALL? And my squat is 430 pounds, for 18 reps. Sorry, but I feel the need to brag about everything because I feel that if I toss out impressive numbers then my dumb fucking argument suddenly has validity.

Me and my brother are pretending to be supermen now. You're a hypocrite, you really are a goddamn hypocrite. You accuse other people of taking steroids after you make up the dumbest stories anyone has ever heard. And my brother and me are conspiring against everyone, and we really juice.

You accusing him of juicing now too, I assume? Get some proof before you throw a personal accusation. The story you bring up is in the context of the conversation, and is subject to speculation because it sounds ridiculous. How was steroid use ever a part of the context of this debate when you brought it up? Even your INSULTS are stupid, because they make no sense relative to the debate.

I had to "brag" as you put it about my lifts, experiences, speed, weight & so on b/c you & others started saying that I didn't ever play football, that I was a couch potatoe playing video games in my basement & said

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Johnny, nobody cares that you claim you played football

But then again I don't even have to prove myself to anybody.

As for your lifts, many of them are steroid lifts with the lifts performed by steroid users I've seen.

Next you'll say when you "take your first cycle" you'll be squatting 700lbs, barbell curling 200lbs, close gripping 325lbs & deadlifting 800lbs.

I've seen ppl using steroids for as long as 10yrs lifting what you "claim to be lifing naturally" with steroids & they woudln't have reached those lifts w/o steroids.

I notice you never list your flat bench press or incline bench press however.

But your lifts are certainly steroid type lifts. One bodybuilder at my gym who is about 31yrs old & been training since he was 15yrs old & been taking steroids since he was about 17yrs old is about 5ft11, 255lbs ripped with 21 inch arms ripped that is & his close grip is between 270-315lbs.

He is at least honest & open with everyone about his steroid use for years.

& you say you're doing 260lbs for several reps naturally along with your 650lbs deadlift?

Give me a break.

Another body builder with 19 or 20 inch arms ripped & both
deadlift/squats 415lbs for 20 reps & he's on GH, & other anabolics who's been on them for years.

But this guy inparticular is dishonest about his GH/anabolics use.

You're telling me you just happen to be lifting what these anafreaks for years are lifting, you're lifting those same lifts naturally at 20yrs old while these guys are almost 30 & in their 30's?

Again give me a break.

& you say you're 230lbs with less than %10BF naturally? Whatever is all I have to say.

As I said lying about steroids is a much more common thing to do. These ppl exist in every gym usually in numbers.

You also react very, very defensively which isn't a surprise.

As for me, I have nothing to hide, never taken steroids & never will.

As for the ppl I've met & had conversations with, well that's all true, it's not hard to meet these ppl, not hard at all, right place, right time, right connections.

Posted by: madden player

WTF is with accusing someone of taking Steroids..Johnnny I hope you don't accuse people of drug use to their face because something really bad could happen. I am a natural bodybuilder and I can speak for some of the naturals I know; THEY DON'T LIKE BEING ACCUSED OF ILLEGAL DRUG USE!!..some take it as a compliment, but don't ever be surprised if you continue to go around pointing your finger at people and accusing them of drug use that you get a bloody nose in the process...Is this something you ONLY do on the internet or do you accuse everyone in the gym of juicing to their face.??

I already posted regarding this topic in this thread and with an attitude like yours you will find it very hard to ever make progress in the gym. It seems to me that you are convinced that anyone with a decent amount of muscle mass is a drug user..You may have had a couple valid points about football, but you are talking out of your ass now.

I am sorry Johnnny, you can't judge a book by it's cover. It is just so unfair to look at someone and say "Damn they are huge, how much drugs do they use??"

Posted by: Johnnny

madden player

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WTF is with accusing someone of taking Steroids..Johnnny I hope you
don't accuse people of drug use to their face because something really bad
could happen. I am a natural bodybuilder and I can speak for some of
the naturals I know; THEY DON'T LIKE BEING ACCUSED OF ILLEGAL DRUG
USE!!..some take it as a compliment, but don't ever be surprised if you
continue to go around pointing your finger at people and accusing them of
drug use that you get a bloody nose in the process...Is this something
you ONLY do on the internet or do you accuse everyone in the gym of
juicing to their face.??

Actually I have & still do as it's ppl I know & they don't mind.

More than half the ppl are honest about their drug use with me & it's no big deal while other ppl lie about it & other ppl have come out of the closet so to speak years later about their drug use & that they've lied for a long time & in fact if they're ppl I'm close friends with they even apologize to me for lying to me all this time about their obvious drug use.

So most ppl don't react with violence as you think they do except for maybe Duncans Donuts as he gets pretty defensive which tells me something.

Most are actually pretty cool about it even if they lie. Some of the liars however react defensively such as Duncan has & these are some of the individuals who later are open about their drug use.

Posted by: madden player

I agree, some people lie about their drug use; Not only with steroids but with alcohol/marijuana/cocaine..ect. It is not cool to accuse someone of drug use, but what does Duncan have to gain by lying?? Until you see Duncan with a loaded syringe in his hand or he says otherwise, he is natural.

Case closed.

Posted by: Johnnny

madden player

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I agree, some people lie about their drug use; Not only with steroids
but with alcohol/marijuana/cocaine..ect. It is not cool to accuse
someone of drug use, but what does Duncan have to gain by lying?? Until
you see Duncan with a loaded syringe in his hand or he says otherwise, he
is natural.

What does Duncan have to gain by lying?

That's pretty simple & it's what all the steroid liars have to gain, everybody will think they're Superman but natural w/o steroids.

That's what one of my close friends who just went off steroids permanently b/c of an abnormally increased blood pressure at 28yrs old & he was on them for 11yrs mainly for football & then decided to keep taking them to maintain a 6ft3 275lbs body having been about 295lbs (not ripped of course as he was a defensive tackle, & no I don't mean my cousin, a close friend I played with).

He confessed to me long ago in highschool that he wanted ppl to think he was this huge & strong just b/c he was born that way. I'll admit he had great genetics as he was 230lbs with low BF% in the 10th grade & then started with steroids after that season as he wanted to make the transition from MLB to DT & 230 at 6ft3 wasn't big enough to play DT.

But that's what Duncan & many other steroid users who lie have to gain, everbody will think they're Superman & they're this huge natural beast of strength & mass with %10 or less BF.

Back in the day Arnold & his peers claimed to be natural, no drugs while Arnold was busy pumping himself full of D-Bol & Primobolan 2 of his old favorites. & then the guy 20 some odd years later has a triple bypass surgery while Mike Mentzer dies of liver failure & RB Walter Payton dies of Liver Cancer at 45yrs old which isn't normal & everyone knows that the Liver is one of the main arteries that anabolic steroids & GH affect the most.

Posted by: Sean0621

Damn numb nuts now your accusing Camero of juicing, and you called him a dirty cops and all cops dirty, that's fucking awesome johnnny, I love how you generalize shit, in your mind there are no good cops, right. You are such a fuck, and let me say this about you having friends. If you are anything like this in real life I can see most people looking at you like you are completely nuts after about 5 minutes of talking to you. You seem so socially inept it amazes everyone that talks to you. You argue with people until you alienate yourself from everyone to make a point out of nothing and it's usually the wrong point. Then when someone proves you wrong you start making accusations that they use steroids, and that they are a dirty cop. What's funny is, the only person who was being a prick to you was me, but yet you fired back at Duncan and Camero, and let me tell you that's a character flaw. You are the kind of guy that goes to work(McDonalds) has a rough day ( yelled at for dropping the fries to many times) and goes home and takes it out on his girlfriend ( your rubber doll). How does it feel to be accused of something serious johnnny, as far as I'm concerned you beat women, I'll bet you can't prove me wrong either, just like Duncan couldn't prove you wrong. Oh and johnnny only the bottom ten percent of the male gender beat up on girls, so good job asshole.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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Damn numb nuts now your accusing Camero of juicing, and you called him
a dirty cops and all cops dirty, that's fucking awesome johnnny, I love
how you generalize shit, in your mind there are no good cops, right.
You are such a fuck, and let me say this about you having friends. If you
are anything like this in real life I can see most people looking at
you like you are completely nuts after about 5 minutes of talking to you.
You seem so socially inept it amazes everyone that talks to you. You
argue with people until you alienate yourself from everyone to make a
point out of nothing and it's usually the wrong point. Then when someone
proves you wrong you start making accusations that they use steroids,
and that they are a dirty cop. What's funny is, the only person who was
being a prick to you was me, but yet you fired back at Duncan and
Camero, and let me tell you that's a character flaw. You are the kind of guy
that goes to work(McDonalds) has a rough day ( yelled at for dropping
the fries to many times) and goes home and takes it out on his
girlfriend ( your rubber doll). How does it feel to be accused of something
serious johnnny, as far as I'm concerned you beat women, I'll bet you can't
prove me wrong either, just like Duncan couldn't prove you wrong. Oh
and johnnny only the bottom ten percent of the male gender beat up on
girls, so good job asshole.

What an idiotic arrogant jerk you are.

I personally don't give a shit what you think.

You don't know me nor do I care if you care, & you don't know the ppl I know or have met.

Personally you can say or accuse me of whatever you want if it makes you feel better b/c deep down you know you're wrong than so be it.

But as I've said about half the steroid users I've met are liars b/c they want everyone to think they're Superman naturally & the other half of the steroid users are honest about it.

Those are the ppl I respect.

As far as my friends are concered & my experiences are concerned I could care less about what you think or believe b/c you make me laugh, wasting your time on something like this on an internet chat forum when you could be doing something more constructive like training or going out with women & friends or work.

Posted by: Sean0621

Dude I don't talk to scumbags who beat their gfs.

Posted by: Sean0621

You are the lowest form of scum, and the worst type of bully you fucking scumbag

Posted by: Sean0621

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Sean0621

wasting your time on something like this on an internet chat forum when you could be doing something more constructive like training or going out with women & friends or work.

The fact that you even say this too me is just hilarious, or the fact that anyone on an internet forum would say this to me is hilarious. Tell me johnnny how many more thousand posts than me do you have on here, not to mention I've heard you were a member of several other forums you were banned from, and for me IM is my first and only Internet forum that I've ever posted in or really go to for that matter, eat your own words you fucking scumbag.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

I will not sit by idly and let you slander me with accusations that I have used illegal drugs. I am considering taking them. Until that time, which is a decision I can make, you have no right to behave in this manner.

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But that's what Duncan & many other steroid users who lie have to gain, everbody will think they're Superman & they're this huge natural beast of strength & mass with %10 or less BF.

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Most are actually pretty cool about it even if they lie. Some of the liars however react defensively such as Duncan has & these are some of the individuals who later are open about their drug use.

You are a fool. I'm through calling you names, everyone here knows what you are all about. WHO DOESN'T ACT DEFENSIVELY WHEN ACCUSED OF TAKING CLASS 3 SCHEDULED SUBSTANCES - WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T DONE IT?

You know why I'm strong, Johnny? I'm strong because I workout intelligently. I don't do what you do (reverse grip curls for idiotic number of sets). I train smartly, because I understand what effort it takes to be big and strong.

You also asked why I never said my regular flat bench press. You know why? Because I do CLOSER GRIPS TO GET A FULLER PECTORAL STRETCH. I did 295 x 8 reps 3 months ago at my peak for my flat bench press, before I switched to close grips. Happy now?

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As for your lifts, many of them are steroid lifts with the lifts performed by steroid users I've seen.

Shut up, hater.

Again, I don't think you are allowed to continually print libel about a person (libel being a function of an accusation that can damage someone professionaly, not in the context of a conversation or argument; I.E. calling me a guy who shouldn't play football because i'm injury prone, whereas us calling you a hippie, would be considered acceptable). This is ultimately out of the context of the conversation, and your UNSATISFIED CLAIMS WHICH YOU REPEAT AS FACT SHOULD STOP. You want to get back to calling me a liar about football, or lifts, or whatever, I don't care. But this stuff needs to stop.

li·bel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbl)
n.
A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.

Don't utter another word about me taking steroids, because until I make the decision to do so, I should be spared of such remarks.

Posted by: Sean0621

What I find odd johnnny is how you can see me accusing you of hitting women without having any proof, any different from you accusing Duncan of using steroids. Instead you just react like anyone would react to what I said to you which is "you don't know me for shit". The answer is no I don't, but yet you continue to accuse Duncan of the same thing in the same why I have accused you of beating women. You can't take it but you can sure dish it out, and it's wrong when I do it to you, but ok when you do it to someone else. Dude just admit your wrong and the shit will stop, and stop doing stupid shit like accusing moderators and their brothers of using steroids, it's not cool.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean 0621

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Dude I don't talk to scumbags who beat their gfs.

You are one weird, dumb & childish dude I must give you credit on that.

Duncans Donuts

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You know why I'm strong, Johnny? I'm strong because I workout intelligently. I don't do what you do (reverse grip curls for idiotic number of sets). I train smartly, because I understand what effort it takes to be big and strong.

I don't do reverse grip curls for your information.

So you think that doing 3 exercises, 3 sets each for biceps totaling 9 sets after chest day is too much?

That's just the right amount for biceps & it's the same for triceps.

What & 225lbs at 5ft10 with %12 BF isn't big enough for you? I know what being big is.

But if you suffered from a thyroid condition as I have, you'd know what' it's like to uncontrolably loose almost 30lbs of mostly muscle mass in less than 4 weeks feels like so don't inuslt me about being small & not knowing what effort is.

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Not everyone just a couple of you here on this thread as I've read responses about me in the banning members thread.

I chat with many ppl here on this forum via PM's so I don't care what you say.

But you can say that you haven't juiced all you want, that won't change my mind.

One reason is most ppl start juicing before they turn 20 just as Arnold did at 16yrs old, & just as many ppl I've met, they start before your age 20.

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You also asked why I never said my regular flat bench press. You know why? Because I do CLOSER GRIPS TO GET A FULLER PECTORAL STRETCH. I did 295 x 8 reps 3 months ago at my peak for my flat bench press, before I switched to close grips. Happy now?

Well I did 320lbs for my max bench which was just under 100lbs more than my body weight before my thyroid condition occured. But I've always done both flat bench & close grip which is currently at 245lbs for 6-8 reps & was about 265lbs for 3-5 reps.

It still amazes me that you want me to stop this sooo much as if you have something to hide from everyone.

You say your brothers a cop? Well at my gym there was one cop who was dealing steroids secretly to customers in the gym.

But if it hurts you & your ego that badly I will stop, but deep down I will still believe what I believe about your drug use.

You say you're 5ft10 at 230lbs with under %10BF? That was basically Arnold's contest shape & he was about 6ft2 & on a lot of steroids which he claimed to be natural as well.

So you say you're just as big as Arnold with a shorter height w/o drugs?

Still very difficult to believe just as when they said Arnold was natural.

Posted by: Sean0621

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Sean 0621

You are one weird, dumb & childish dude I must give you credit on that.

Right back at ya Johnnny, I'm not the one accusing people of using steroids for no apparent reason. I only pointed out that you are dumb and you have more than proved it. When you attack somebody like you attacked Duncan verbally, that just shows you're jealous and you have to tear down his accomplishments to make yourself look better. And you call me childish, well my friend all I have done was use your own little games against you and you couldn't handle it, oh and by responding to me and saying that whatever I say doesn't bother you, it just proves that it does bother you alot, so much that you had to respond. Oh well I'll lay off from now on johnnny have fun trying to tell everyone that Duncan does steroids and Camero is a corrupt cop, see how long they let you get away with it.

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean 9621

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Right back at ya Johnnny, I'm not the one accusing people of using
steroids for no apparent reason. I only pointed out that you are dumb and
you have more than proved it. When you attack somebody like you attacked
Duncan verbally, that just shows you're jealous and you have to tear
down his accomplishments to make yourself look better. And you call me
childish, well my friend all I have done was use your own little games
against you and you couldn't handle it, oh and by responding to me and
saying that whatever I say doesn't bother you, it just proves that it
does bother you alot, so much that you had to respond. Oh well I'll lay
off from now on johnnny have fun trying to tell everyone that Duncan does
steroids and Camero is a corrupt cop, see how long they let you get
away with it

Handle it? WTF are you talking about?

You just can't give it up.

I'm not jealous of anyone or anything especially someone who I believe is on steroids & I never said his brother was a corrupt cop, I merely stated that many cops are not honest & involved in their cities crime ring.

As I've stated one cop at my gym was dealing steroids to local customers & using them himself yet everything else that he did was by the book.

Like I said I will stop saying Duncan does roids, but I will continue believing what I believe.

Like I said, Arnold also claimed to be "natural" & look at all the D-Bol & Primobolan he was on for all those years that caused him to need a triple by pass heart surgery.

All I'm going to say is that the individuals who lie about steroids to their peers & friends, family whatever, deep down they know the truth, & it's up to them to one day be open about it.

I don't have a probelm with steroids or steroid users as I almost juiced when I was 21yrs old when I was at 227lbs & would've hit 245lbs at least depending on what I took, but I do have a problem with steroid users who pretend & lie to everyone about being natural so everyone is amazed by their "sudden" gain in power, size, strength, & decreased body fat %. That's what I have a problem with.

But I will stop it here.

Posted by: camarosuper6

You have a problem with people who claim to be natural and use steroids in secret.

I have a problem with people accuse another person of something, and have absolutely nothing to back it up with other than their opinion based on a single, undetailed picture.

If this were in court, you case would get thrown out. Its a serious accusation that has absolutely no foundation other than your opinion, which is based on a single picture and some stats...

Your accusations hold no water, yet you continue to swear by them. I hope you are never on any jury in any courtroom in America.

Posted by: Johnnny

CamaroSuper6

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You have a problem with people who claim to be natural and use steroids in secret.

I have a problem with people accuse another person of something, and have absolutely nothing to back it up with other than their opinion based on a single, undetailed picture.

If this were in court, you case would get thrown out. Its a serious accusation that has absolutely no foundation other than your opinion, which is based on a single picture and some stats...

Your accusations hold no water, yet you continue to swear by them. I hope you are never on any jury in any courtroom in America.

Whatever man all I can say is you might think you know your brother or sister perfectly %100.

But I've seen & heard of too many situations such as this one.

Yeah you'll probably say that the ppl I know & experiences hold know credibility well I don't care what you think of that b/c I don't lie nor do I make up stories.

But one good friend of mine since grade 7 (a non football player) was honest about his steroid use that he started at about 18yrs old. Then after 2yrs of growing he said he suddenly quit & was natural.

His height was about 6ft tall & his body weight was about 220lbs with about %10 BF. Then over the course of one year he exploded to about 280lbs not completely ripped of course, but his power went from having trouble with 315lbs flat bench to 365lbs for 6-8 reps & incline bench exploded from 245lbs for a few reps to about 275lbs for an easy 8-10 reps along with every other compound movement including a troubled 255lb tricep close-grip to a whopping 315lb close-grip for 5 reps.

He told me he was natural while everyone else knew he was juicing b/c one of the guys who sold him the juice was that cop not to mention that once he offered me to go on a cycle of Testosterone Suspension with him for 8 weeks but I didn't want to.

Then about 2 months later I asked him if I could still go on that cycle with him as I was considering it at the time & he denied ever offering the Suspension & said he wasn't on anything.

But recently he told me that he's been on some D-Bol, Testosterone Cypionate, some Deca, Winstrol & other sh!t.

He admitted to me that he purposely denied offering me some Suspension b/c he thought I would forget about it & he wanted me to think he was natural.

So I've been experienced with liars & no when an individual (not necessarily referring to your brother) is on juice by the size increase, strength/power increase, & lowered bodyfat%.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Just because you have certain experiences does not mean that all other people have the same or even similar experiences. You need to quit comparing all your experiences with everyone elses, because it holds no water.

Posted by: Johnnny

camarosuper6

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Just because you have certain experiences does not mean that all other people have the same or even similar experiences. You need to quit
comparing all your experiences with everyone elses, because it holds no
water.

No it doesn't, but it just goes to show you all the different types of situations & examples of this & the fact that you don't always know ppl as well as you think.

Gyms everywhere are full of these types of "natural" ppl while everyone else knows other wise.

That's my only point.

Posted by: camarosuper6

There are much easier and more appropriate ways to make that point, other than accusing someone.

Posted by: Johnnny

camarosuper6

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There are much easier and more appropriate ways to make that point, other than accusing someone.

I agree but there are way too many ppl trying to pass their steroid enhanced physiques as natural & it's obvious such as Arnold for example who also claimed to be natural while he was one of the most unnatural bodybuilders in his time.

Posted by: camarosuper6

I understand your point Johnny.... remember, ENOUGH with the examples man, I GET your point.

Posted by: Johnnny

camarosuper6

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I understand your point Johnny.... remember, ENOUGH with the examples man, I GET your point.

Finally, but one more example & I'm being sarcastic.

What if Dorian Yates especially during his prime winning Olympia's in 1996 told everyone that he was drug free would you believe it?

Yeah I know it's extreme but that's the type of ppl I'm talking about or have met & heard about all over gyms.

It would be one thing if Dorian came out & said I do 4 or 5 GH/Insulin stacks a year & inbetween that cycle I do Testosterone Suspension with D-Bol & whatever else just to maintain & keep hard.

Know what I mean?

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

You have a thyroid condition? BOO HOO. I have diabetes. I've almost died dozens of times because of my condition. I've been told I'd never be able to play football because I'm too high a risk. One bodybuilder called a diabetic coma 'the most painful thing he had ever felt...your brain starves'. Stop playing pity part, nobody gives a shit.

STOP ACCUSING ME WITHOUT EVIDENCE. I have nothing to hide, but I can't defend myself when I'm being wrongfully accused? So if I accused you of raping 5 year old children, and you defended yourself, I could presume that you're guilty because you STAUNCHLY DEFEND YOURSELF?

You are weak, I don't believe any of your lift claims. Not because they are outrageous, because you've proved time and again that you have neither integrity (changing the subject by slandering people) or credibility. I hope you enjoy using your condition as an excuse, cuz I've never used mine as one. I hope you either waste away or get fat as shit. OOP too late.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

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You say you're 5ft10 at 230lbs with under %10BF? That was basically Arnold's contest shape & he was about 6ft2 & on a lot of steroids which he claimed to be natural as well.

I'm 6'1 and 225 pounds at roughly 11 percent body fat. Oh my god I must be on steroids! Gopro is bigger and probably stronger and he is natural. Is it so impossible to believe?

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Yep, yep, yep. Too much. Of course that's debatable, but if you can give me a study that says that's the RIGHT AMOUNT (I mean, 100 percent, no questions asked), well, you give me a link.

Peace out Mr. Thyroid - YOU ARE BIGGER CUZ OF STEROIDS - excuse machine.

Posted by: gr81

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You have a thyroid condition? BOO HOO.

oh yeah, and its all ephedra's fault too, don't you know DD.. his first 100 posts were on nothing but how ephedrine needs to be banned b/c it gave him thyroid disease, somehow... Johnnny, no one respects you son.. you need to know your role and SHUT your mouth!!

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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You have a thyroid condition? BOO HOO. I have diabetes. I've almost died dozens of times because of my condition. I've been told I'd never be able to play football because I'm too high a risk. One bodybuilder called a diabetic coma 'the most painful thing he had ever felt...your brain starves'. Stop playing pity part, nobody gives a shit.

Yeah I do have a thyroid condition that's finally stable. Have you ever heard of Graves disease? It's when a hyper thyroid is left untreated for certain amounts of time.

You say I'm trying to get pitty f$ck that, I don't need sh!t from anyone as I've delt with it so I don't give a sh!t about your diabetes.

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STOP ACCUSING ME WITHOUT EVIDENCE. I have nothing to hide, but I can't defend myself when I'm being wrongfully accused? So if I accused you of raping 5 year old children, and you defended yourself, I could presume that you're guilty because you STAUNCHLY DEFEND YOURSELF?

I did stop if you read what I said. & ppl have asked me if I was on steroids when I was 227lbs as some ppl weren't sure & I didn't react the way you do here defesively.

I reacted very calmly & naw, I never took that sh!t before & said that I was considering it, but you, immediately got all defensive & angry. & that tells me something.

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You are weak, I don't believe any of your lift claims. Not because they are outrageous, because you've proved time and again that you have neither integrity (changing the subject by slandering people) or credibility. I hope you enjoy using your condition as an excuse, cuz I've never used mine as one. I hope you either waste away or get fat as shit. OOP too late

I'm weak? a 275lb bench for 5-7 reps for a 200lb guy is descent with a 245lb incline bench press for 5-7 reps is also pretty descent. & I have a 120lb barbell curl for several reps with a 245lb close-grip bench.

But you don't have to believe it, believe what you want as I will believe what I want but in my case regarding what I believe there's a lot more truth.

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I'm 6'1 and 225 pounds at roughly 11 percent body fat. Oh my god I must be on steroids! Gopro is bigger and probably stronger and he is natural. Is it so impossible to believe?

Congrats to you wow, & my cousin is 6ft4 & was about 290lbs playing DT while on steroids & now he's 250lbs & has been off steroids for 5yrs.

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Wow how did you ever come up with that finisher? It must've taken a lot of thinking.

Gr81

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This is a typical Gr81 reply that many ppl have told me about.

I think your brain spends too much time in your a$$. As there are many ppl here who get a long with me, at least not pricks like you.

But in regards to ephedrine/ephedra/Ma Huang yeah they were at fault for my hyper thyroid condition as it was proved by the Endocrinologist & those supplements should be banned b/c too many ppl have had heart attacks while using them along with other health problems such as thyroid problems.

Posted by: Johnnny

I also notice nobody has commented on the fact that Arnold claimed to be natural while he was pumping himself full of D-Bol, Primobolan & probably testosterone.

& my recent reply if Dorian Yates would claim to be natural would anyone believe him?

While Dorian is taking prbably 3-4 GH/Insulin cycles a year along with Testosterones & other anabolics in between the GH/Insulin cycles to maintain.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

I also notice nobody has commented on the fact that Arnold claimed to be natural while he was pumping himself full of D-Bol, Primobolan & probably testosterone.

& my recent reply if Dorian Yates would claim to be natural would anyone believe him?..

The only thing I know about Arnold's drug/steroid use is that he openly admits to using them as a competitive bodybuilder (although over the years the amount that he claimed to use is getting smaller).. I don't want to get into a cat fight on here, because maybe there is some interview from the past where Arnold totally denies using drugs??

I think about 100 posts ago I said something like steroid use is only obvious in the most extreme of cases...Would I believe Yates if he claimed to be natural, NO...Did I believe Ron Coleman when he said he was natural on Jay Leno, NO.

From your posts I get the idea that we see eye to eye on steroids, but as a natural bodybuilder why not focus on the success of the natural greats instead of steroid users??.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Have fun making excuses, liar.

Posted by: Randy

Yeah Madden makes a good point.
Focus on the natural greats, not the people who are obvious steroid users.
For those in that category, they know who they are. They can deny using them all their lives, but inside they know that they didn't achieve their muscle growth naturally.

Its just like in sports. You see all these guys like Barry Bonds and Mcguire.... Hell they never did steroids in their lives either

Then they end up surpasing someones record of which was earned naturally. To me that is complete bullshit, but again those people know that their achievements are bogus. They're cracking down on the stuff though. I would love to see these people tested and caught.
Look at some of the olympic runners who have been busted and their gold medals forfeited. I think it is great that they are finally doing something about this.
Now if someone wants to take steroids, great! It is their life. But like in sports, to compete with athletes who are supposed to be natural and lie about it.... that's just not right.

If one takes them, I feel they should at least be honest about it. At least to those that have been around and know the truth. I know those taking steroids do not want to advertise it to the wrong people and get themselves busted, but in a no threat situation with people who know them...hell might as well admit it

If I was accused of steroid use, I would feel flattered and respond by saying "Thanks for thinking I look big enough to be a steroid user, but I'm all natural!". I wouldn't get irrate unless I really was a steroid user and wanted to hide it

I admit to taking M1T, but just tried it for one cycle. There, now that wasn't hard

Just my 2 cents on steroids..
Oh by the way... If my buddy GR jumps in with his derogatory comments I now have him on ignore (The pos isn't worth it anymore to me).

Posted by: camarosuper6

The point is, making false accusations is wrong, and Johnny does not seem to understand this point.

You do not pick someone at random, tell them their using steroids and then blabber about for 4 or 5 pages on why you THINK their on steroids when the only so called "proof" you have is the fact your old best buddy lied to you about using steroids years go.

Gimme a fuqqin break. This thread is getting old.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Randy

..Its just like in sports. You see all these guys like Barry Bonds and Mcguire.... Hell they never did steroids in their lives either

Then they end up surpasing someones record of which was earned naturally. To me that is complete bullshit..

...I couldn't agree more with the bullshit part. I wouldn't get very much pride out of smashing ancient baseball records all 'juiced up' when the record I am breaking was set by a 'clean' athlete that had equal or better skills then mine..only difference is that I am a walking pharm/lab rat that enhances my natural abilities way beyond anything natural.

I am also glad that they are cracking down on drug cheats. I am optomistic and would like to believe that someday the testers will catch up to the cheats and athletes will have more of an even playing field.

I thought it was rather funny when the two Greek sprinters failed to show up for drug testing because of a "motorcycle accident"...They shamed an entire nation (as a Canadian we can relate to high profile sport/drug busts..Ben Johnson stole a part of this nations soul..no pun intended) because Dick Pound of the IOC came out days before the games and made it well known that there was now an effective test for HGH and it scared the Greek sprinters.

Posted by: Randy

Yeah I try to put myself in the shoes of the natural athletes.
I wouldn't want to be one of the few athletes fortunate enough to be competing for a record achievement to find that I was beatin out by a steroid punk. Then to have the person flaunt his achievement to everyone claiming it was all done naturally.

It may be an inconvenience to those natural athletes to resort to periodic testing, but for those athletes who remain natural....I would think they would be all for it. It seems that the ones who squak are the ones who are guilty of using.

As for the sprinters, they got what they deserved.

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And Camaro.... I can respect your statement. I think Johnnny's comments were fueled by previous insulting remarks though....but I'm not going to get into that one.
I think the insults should stop though... There isn't anything positive resulting from insulting each other here.

Posted by: Johnnny

madden player

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The only thing I know about Arnold's drug/steroid use is that he openly
admits to using them as a competitive bodybuilder (although over the
years the amount that he claimed to use is getting smaller).. I don't
want to get into a cat fight on here, because maybe there is some
interview from the past where Arnold totally denies using drugs??

I think about 100 posts ago I said something like steroid use is only
obvious in the most extreme of cases...Would I believe Yates if he
claimed to be natural, NO...Did I believe Ron Coleman when he said he was
natural on Jay Leno, NO.

From your posts I get the idea that we see eye to eye on steroids, but
as a natural bodybuilder why not focus on the success of the natural
greats instead of steroid users??.

I agree with you completely.

But regarding Arnold I have an interview with him in the latest Muscle Mag issue & he said that he only used the Weider Supplements such as the egg albumen protein drinks & that was all he said he used, no steroids.

But for sure as hell not, I wouldn't believe Dorian if he claimed to be natural.

But Ronnie Coleman actually said on Jay Leno he was natural? How long ago was that?

Give me a fn' break, that guy has soooo much GH/Insulin & other anabolics than anyone around.

But no way Arnold was ever natural except maybe when he was 13 or 14 yrs old before he started juicing at 16yrs old.

Randy

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Its just like in sports. You see all these guys like Barry Bonds and Mcguire.... Hell they never did steroids in their lives either Then they end up surpasing someones record of which was earned naturally. To me that is complete bullshit, but again those people know that their achievements are bogus. They're cracking down on the stuff though. I would love to see these people tested and caught.
Look at some of the olympic runners who have been busted and their gold medals forfeited. I think it is great that they are finally doing something about this.
Now if someone wants to take steroids, great! It is their life. But like in sports, to compete with athletes who are supposed to be natural and lie about it.... that's just not right.

If one takes them, I feel they should at least be honest about it. At least to those that have been around and know the truth. I know those taking steroids do not want to advertise it to the wrong people and get themselves busted, but in a no threat situation with people who know them...hell might as well admit it

You hit the target exactly, completely agree with you.

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admit to taking M1T, but just tried it for one cycle. There, now that wasn't hard

No that wasn't hard at all, that's exactly how I'd react if I was on steroids with my peers & friends.

camarosuper6

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The point is, making false accusations is wrong, and Johnny does not seem to understand this point.

You do not pick someone at random, tell them their using steroids and then blabber about for 4 or 5 pages on why you THINK their on steroids when the only so called "proof" you have is the fact your old best buddy lied to you about using steroids years go.

The point of that was to show you ppl that this type of thing happens all over the place in every gym, every college & highschool & in more house holds than you realize.

But I didn't name or accuse anyone here, just making my point, & the point where a physique

I never knew that Frank Sepe who now has the perfect physique was
270=280lbs ripped nor competed in IFBB contests until Firestorm (who's been honest with me) told me that he competed & honestly believes Frank Sepe is completely natural.

I just recently saw some pics of Frank when he was in IFBB form & he was fn' massive & ripped but he looks great now & much healthier being natural.

Sometimes you can just tell.

Anyway I've made my point & deep down the steroid liars know the truth even if they keep it a secret to everyone else.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

But I didn't name or accuse anyone here, just making my point, & the point where a physique

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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Typical response

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

How is that a typical response? I challenge you to go through every post I've ever made where I responded like that. God you have no integrity.

However I can come up with at least 15 quotes of you accusing me of taking juice. Do you want me to? I can. And I can proove that this statement:

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But I didn't name or accuse anyone here, just making my point, & the point where a physique

Is a lie.

As is you saying that my last response is a typical one.

Boy, you're a real liar. Difference is, I can prove you are a liar (just did), while you can't proove that I am.

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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How is that a typical response? I challenge you to go through every
post I've ever made that just had those icons. God you have no
integrity.

Yes it is a typical response & you have no integrity IMO.

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Is a lie.

As is you saying that my last response is a typical one.

Boy, you're a real liar. Difference is, I can prove you are a liar (just did), while you can't proove that I am.

Your name was not mentioned once in my last reply so it's no lie nor am I a liar about anything I've said.

I can let it go, how about you? I guess not.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

lmfao. I think everyone knows whats going on here bud.

Posted by: PreMier

I knew John boy was a compulsive liar ever since he posted about his thyroid.

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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lmfao. I think everyone knows whats going on here bud.

I didn't mention you just referring to examples all over North America

Premier

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I knew John boy was a compulsive liar ever since he posted about his thyroid.

You think I'm lying about my thyroid?

Now I know you're a real prick.

I have nothing to lie about & certainly not a medical condition.

One thing I've learned is you're very conceited & I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Posted by: PreMier

I dont give a fuck if you think im conceited. I think that you are lying, but if your not.. I hope you get Graves and die. The world would be a better place without your compulsive lying and girlfriend beating.

Posted by: Zac2013

The QB are in serious risk with helmet to helmet hit thats why its banned in college and pro football. I personal think if they set a rule it will change the game too much and it would become powder puff. Example the RB's could not lower the head for the first downs and also the impact on the goal line would change the game. I feel sorry for the kid its the coach to blame he didnt teach the kid the basics' and if he did and the kid cont... to do so the coach should not allowed him to play. So its all the coach's fault in my opinon.

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

..Ronnie Coleman actually said on Jay Leno he was natural? How long ago was that?..

Yes. He said he did not use steroids because he was a cop. This most have been late 2000 early 2001. I remember he came out after the actress Geena Davis and he looked insanely huge compared to Leno and Davis. It was kind of a strange interview..Coleman was not questioned on his drug use, he just blurted out something like "I am clean because I am a cop." If I remember correctly he also said he did not smoke crack cocaine (strange??).

Posted by: Johnnny

madden player

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Everyone must've been saying to themselves in the audience, ya right my ass.

I saw Scott "Big Poppa Pump" Steiner on the Tonight Show or one of those shows & he was flexing his huge enhanced guns kissing them saying that he's a genetic freak yeah right.

All I can say is these guys are going to have major health difficulties at some point just as with Arnold's triple bypass heart surgery.

Posted by: Johnnny

Zac2013

You are right about the QB's in most danger, they're the ppl that defensive linemen & LB's want to hurt the most & some defensive players take it too far.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Duncans Donuts
I didn't mention you just referring to examples all over North America

Oh, really?

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Duncans Donuts
But I didn't name or accuse anyone here, just making my point, & the point where a physique

Is that a fact?

#1

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But you can't compare me meeting atheletes to your steroid use, totally 2 different things.

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I've heard about incidences such as this, 2 brothers keeping their steroid use a secret so all their friends think they're Superman.

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As for your lifts, many of them are steroid lifts with the lifts performed by steroid users I've seen.

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Most are actually pretty cool about it even if they lie. Some of the liars however react defensively such as Duncan has & these are some of the individuals who later are open about their drug use.

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But that's what Duncan & many other steroid users who lie have to gain,

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I've made my point, Duncan hasn't played or isn't playing b/c of an injury & I know a steroid physique when I see one.

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As for lying I believe he is lying as there are too many steroid users lying out there.

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What a crock.
Like I said I know a steroid physique when I see one,

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Well I have my opinions on lying steroid users & I'm sticking to that opinion as well.

#10

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I really don't care what you say, but if you get on the team with your steroid enhanced body, congradulations.

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I guess your steroids are helping you bench 500lbs, 350lbs on incline bench press & probably 250lbs on standing military press.

At least half of those are directly accusatory, and the other half direct implications.

Stop lying, pal.

Posted by: Randy

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Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

As you can see I only mentioned your name in #4 & mentioned "you" in #11.

So none of the other quote's you quote me on included your name or referred to you in those other 9 quotes.

But as for that quote about most steroid users being cool & open about it didn't include or referring to you just in general & I also said if I was on steroids I'd tell be openly w/o a problem, but no mention of you.

As for Premier & his retarded accusations of girlfriend beating, I've never layed a violent or agressive hand on a woman in my life.

Premier is just being the childish prick that he is & just wanted to accuse me of something & that for some reason was on the top of his head. Maybe he's a girlfriend beater & that's why it was the first choice of an accusation.

But I noticed that he removed his thread that included his explaination of that accusation, he even said he was doing it just for the sake of accusing me of something. This reply was between page 8-11 but it's gone.

But I'm thinking maybe Premier is being this way b/c he's on steroids?
Quite possible, not an accusation, just a theory LOL.

But I agree with Randy this thread sucks & blows, & sure blame me for that if it makes you guys feel better.

Posted by: pmech

Troll

Posted by: camarosuper6

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So none of the other quote's you quote me on included your name or referred to you in those other 9 quotes.

OH REALLY? WHO WERE YOU REFFERRING TO THEN, THE EASTER BUNNY?

Johnny, I was gonna leave this thread alone until I started reading this regurgitated garbage you started up on.

I am now throughly convinced you are a troll... OR you are a utter and complete moron.

Posted by: Johnnny

Other than quotes 4 & 11 I never mentioned anyone's name only experiences & I mentioned pro body builders to make a point.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

"I've made my point, Duncan hasn't played or isn't playing b/c of an injury & I know a steroid physique when I see one."

You meant me. Read the entire post and it is clear.

"But that's what Duncan & many other steroid users who lie have to gain,"

You call me a steroid user here. No questions; that is verbatim.

" But you can't compare me meeting atheletes to your steroid use, totally 2 different things."

to YOUR steroid use. You were referring to me. Check it out again pal.

" As for lying I believe he is lying as there are too many steroid users lying out there."

He is lying - was a direct reference to me. Check the entire quote.

But anyway, even if you are right (you aren't) and only directly reffered to me in #4 and #11 (btw - you can directly refer to someone without using their name), you still lied when you said that you hadn't made direct accusations.

So you lied. No questions about it. Someone lock this thread.

Posted by: Randy

**LOCKED**

Posted by: gr81

Cmon fellas, Johnnny is like quicksand, just let it go. we all know who is right and who is a fuccin retard.. its over

Posted by: Sean0621

Yup

Posted by: camarosuper6

Johnny needs a swift kick in the ass.

Posted by: pmech

Camaro it was dying and you brought it back... noooooooo

Posted by: madden player

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Originally Posted by pmech

Camaro it was dying and you brought it back... noooooooo

Johnnny is the 'Determinator'..He'll be back!!

This is far from over..There is no stopping him. Every man for himself.

Posted by: Johnnny

Whatever guys,

I referred to Duncan in quotes #4 & #11 the others where just experiences of friends & peers to give examples of how many individuals & not just one individual lie about this.

Posted by: camarosuper6

I counted at least 6 times where he referred to Duncan and a few more he was insinuating it was Duncan.

The whole board knows your a liar, I guarantee this is one argument that no one will back you up on.

Posted by: P-funk

this thread sucks my balls.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Yea. Im pretty sick of Johnnys fuqqin threads too.

Posted by: Randy

Yeah how long is this bullshit going to go on....I think you all sound like little children

(wahhh wahhh well he said this, and he said that) It's hillarious

Its just like a GR thread

Posted by: camarosuper6

Randy, your more than welcome to direct your knowledge and expertise (sarcasm) to another thread.

Posted by: Randy

It's pretty obvious that (sarcasm) comes natural in your family.
After all, you keep seeming to add fuel to the fire and keep this bullshit going.
Why don't you grow up and leave it be. If you hate Johnnny so much, be a man and put him on ignore. It doesn't take much knowledge and expertise to know that much.

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Randy, your more than welcome to direct your knowledge and expertise (sarcasm) to another thread.

Posted by: camarosuper6

WTF does growing up have to do with anything? Just because you like to ignore problems or push them under the proverbial rug, doesnt mean your any more "grown".

Just because i like to address issues that I dont feel are correct, doesnt have anything to do with maturity. Maybe growing a backbone would be good for ya.

Posted by: Johnnny

CamaroSuper6

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Yea. Im pretty sick of Johnnys fuqqin threads too.

I'm beginning to get sick of you

So far this is the first thread of mine that I recall that you've replied to, & just to back up your brother.

Does anyone else think that it's possible that Duncan & Camaro are the same person?

Posted by: camarosuper6

I replied to it because you made false statements that I felt were pretty serious.

A lot of people on this board cant stand you because of your redundant, pointless and usually plain incorrect statemtents. So, yea, when basically say my brother is using steoids when he isnt, I take a bit of offense. Hes my family. Sue me.

I usually dont reply to you threads because I USED to think it was kinda unfair the way people singled you out and gave you a hard time. I usually didnt agree with your posts, but they werent usually derrogitory, so I wasnt trying to make anyone feel bad just to jump on the bandwagon.

But this I didnt appreciate. You were wrong in what you said, and you dont have the damn balls to even admit what you were talking about. At least have the courage and guts to admit what you said. I guess people were right about you. You are a complete dumbass.

Posted by: Johnnny

CamaroSuper6

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A lot of people on this board cant stand you because of your redundant, pointless and usually plain incorrect statemtents.

There's where you're wrong dude, there are a lot of ppl who I keep in touch with & vice versa via PM's, e-mail, & instant messaging from this forum.

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But this I didnt appreciate. You were wrong in what you said, and you dont have the damn balls to even admit what you were talking about. At least have the courage and guts to admit what you said. I guess people were right about you. You are a complete dumbass.

Only a couple of ppl who happen to be dumbasses themselves that you agree with.

But A couple of other ppl have sent me PM's not naming anyone & have also agreed with some of my inquiries on this thread.

But I'm just curious if you & Duncan are the same person.

As for my opinions I'm entitled to my opinions & I have stopped disclosing them, but I stand by my opinions even though I WON'T DISCUSS IT ANYMORE.

Posted by: camarosuper6

God. Its like explaining Algebra to a tree slug.

Posted by: Randy

I am a very privileged banana slug, camaro taught me Algebra

Posted by: Johnnny

Nice one Randy that's funny.

Posted by: gr81

thats funny? fuccin children

Posted by: Johnnny

Posted by: Randy

Posted by: Randy

<sniff> <sniff> <sniff> smells like shit around here, must be GR81.
I can see him since he's on ignore, but I sure can smell him.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Ya.. and they say I'M immature...

What a tag team.

Posted by: gr81

hilarious.. look at the jokes their crackin and tell me they don't remind you of a bunch of sixth grade boys at recess.. jesus christ

Posted by: camarosuper6

They both deserve eachother. George and Lenny reborn.

"Can I tend the wabbits George"

Posted by: gr81

ha ha

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

"But I'm just curious if you & Duncan are the same person."

Jesus christ? It's gotten to this now? Track the IP: David (my brother) will have an IP North of Eureka. I wil have an IP about 600 miles south, me being Michael, East of Los Angeles by about 60 miles. I mean, God, Johnny, is this really necessary?

Posted by: V Player

You live close to LA, Duncan? Awesome....my younger brother lives in Northridge. I plan to move out there as soon as possible. It sucks being without him. We're only about a year apart.

Posted by: Johnnny

Duncans Donuts

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"But I'm just curious if you & Duncan are the same person."

Jesus christ? It's gotten to this now? Track the IP: David (my brother) will have an IP North of Eureka. I wil have an IP about 600 miles south, me being Michael, East of Los Angeles by about 60 miles. I mean, God, Johnny, is this really necessary?

Posted by: Randy

Posted by: camarosuper6

Someone like Johnnny cant comprehend something as complex as an ISP address. If he cant use his fingers or toes , its a lost cause.

Posted by: Sean0621

Wow I never knew Randy was in love with Johnnny, new things every day.

Posted by: Randy

Not in love with him , just don't like to see people putting him or anyone else down just for stating their opinions (granted his is pretty strong)

Instead of disagreeing with him, people keep bashing him to the ground, which I think is unnecessary.

Then when someone seems to get in a dissagreement with him, others such as yourself seem to get off on joining in. But, such as any message board the crowd comes in all flavors including children

So in light of that, I will excuse your behavior Sean

I'm off to workout.... peace

Posted by: camarosuper6

Randy, if you took 5 minutes of your valuable time to read the thread, you'll see that both Duncan,myself and others have damn good reasons for being upset. Im sure even you can see the blantant accusations he threw at Duncan, multiple times then DENYING he said them. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that people who get accused of something they didnt do, are going to be upset and rightfully so.

Seriously, who wouldnt be a little preterbed at that. And on top of everything, you find it amusing and cant see why people are tired of his schtick.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Randy

Camaro...

I only find this amusing because of the length of time this thing has been going on.
You are a moderator and are here to help people and defuse situations like this.
All I could see that Johnnny did was make a statement that he thought Duncan was on steroids. Then you came to his defense, and then I guess he accused you as well. To me, Johnnny's accusation was not one that was highly offensive that should have lead to all of this. Heck! I would be flattered if someone thought I was big enough to be accused of being a steroid user.. I would just laugh it off and thank him for the compliment

... But when the thread started to go sour, you guys just kept throwing fuel to the fire and kept it going and going and going and going.. In my opinion, since you are a moderator you should have closed this thread a long time ago......

Just the way I say it bro...

Posted by: Johnnny

Sean0621

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Wow I never knew Randy was in love with Johnnny, new things every day.

CamaroSuper6

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Randy, if you took 5 minutes of your valuable time to read the thread, you'll see that both Duncan,myself and others have damn good reasons for being upset. Im sure even you can see the blantant accusations he threw at Duncan, multiple times then DENYING he said them. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that people who get accused of something they didnt do, are going to be upset and rightfully so.

Seriously, who wouldnt be a little preterbed at that. And on top of everything, you find it amusing and cant see why people are tired of his schtick.

Boring

Randy

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I only find this amusing because of the length of time this thing has been going on.
You are a moderator and are here to help people and defuse situations like this.
All I could see that Johnnny did was make a statement that he thought Duncan was on steroids. Then you came to his defense, and then I guess he accused you as well. To me, Johnnny's accusation was not one that was highly offensive that should have lead to all of this. Heck! I would be flattered if someone thought I was big enough to be accused of being a steroid user.. I would just laugh it off and thank him for the compliment ... But when the thread started to go sour, you guys just kept throwing fuel to the fire and kept it going and going and going and going.. In my opinion, since you are a moderator you should have closed this thread a long time ago......

Just the way I say it bro...

This is true b/c a few other members here have been completely %100 honest about their steroid use & didn't act like Camaro or Duncan or anyone else here, they just said the truth that they used & actually named some of the substances they've used.

I would be honest about roids if I were on them.

Posted by: Randy

And if they say they are not using steroids, then you have to respect that too Johnnny.
Now that all this is said...

Now close the thread

Posted by: camarosuper6

I cant close this thread or I would.. much like I would ban Johnnny if I could.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

How am I supposed to respond when someone starts slandering me?

His job as a moderator doesn't supercede him being my brother. If someone slandered him I'd come to his defense, too. Johnny doesn't understand this connection because he is uncapable of distinguishing "truth" from his "belief".

I'm glad you think it's a compliment when someone accuses you of steroid use, Randy. I would too, if it were phrased as a polite question.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Very true. The delivery of the statement makes all the difference.

Posted by: Johnnny

CamaroSuper6

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I cant close this thread or I would.. much like I would ban Johnnny if I could.

Ban me for what? Having my own opinions?

I've seen many other ppl's opinions getting trashed around here since I've been here but that doesn't mean someone should be banned.

But with that said to Camaro & Duncan

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N E 1 hear of the 15yr old football player dying of a helmet to helmet hit?

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