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Posted by: camarosuper6

Bush, not to long ago passed a law that allows Peace Officers to carry concealed weapons in all 50 states, where it used to only be the state you worked in and a few other select states.

I personally love the new law, giving Police a small advantage they didnt have before.. just wanted to know your opinions of it.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

i agree with you police officers should not only be limited in one state, give them some fucking respect for god sakes !!!, since im in this field and going further into the field i agree with him fully.

Posted by: Var

Posted by: MTN WARRIOR

It's the Republican's way of "increasing" the number officers in the field, so they dont have to pay overtime, or pay for more officers. Bush is also the one who stopped the "COPS" program, which pays for more officers, vests, cruisers, etc. HE just threw them a bone

Posted by: redspy

If civilians are permitted to have CCWs I don't see why off duty cops shouldn't have them. Good luck to the cops.

Posted by: pmech

Police are human also, and are subject to the same problems that us"mortals" are. I think they should be evaluiated more heavily before being given explicit rights to cary off duty. There was a incident about 4 months ago in my town where a cop got drunk and proceeded to pull out his gun and threaten the bar with it.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Police are evaluted HEAVILY during the hiring process. TRUST ME, I know. Civilians that carry off-duty dont have to go through half the hoops police have to go through to carry an off-duty weapon. The fact that one or two police officers may sift their way through the system is just part of the way it works. They cant screen out EVERY bad possible subject. But all the training we go through, we are by far more than qualified to use this privelage more safely than the avg. Joe.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Fuck all hippies

Posted by: pmech

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Police are evaluted HEAVILY during the hiring process. TRUST ME, I know. Civilians that carry off-duty dont have to go through half the hoops police have to go through to carry an off-duty weapon. The fact that one or two police officers may sift their way through the system is just part of the way it works. They cant screen out EVERY bad possible subject. But all the training we go through, we are by far more than qualified to use this privelage more safely than the avg. Joe.

Oh I agree. I was just saying that cops are people also, they make mistakes too. I have total respect for them as I would never have the tolernace not to shoot someone in the head for the half the stuff they have to deal with everyday.

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Fuck all hippies

HAHAHAHA...

Posted by: QuestionGuy

man, listen police officers already can carrry guns with them when they are off dutty, since they are by law on dutty 24/7. I think people should give police officers more respect and not treat them like dumbasses, i wanna see you guys who are comlaining right now do their job! You guys dont know what they go thru in their lifes just to do this job. And yet you wanna sit here and disrespect them by saying " think they should be evaluiated more heavily before being given explicit rights to cary off duty." what the fuck is that supposed to mean ? they have gone under hevy tests before they got hired, i think police officers are super humans and i respect them and look up to them, its my opinion and i know it sound koky. I think it is disrespectfull of poeple who say shit about them because they risk their lifes to protect our ases. I also think that so many people say that they could do their job and so many pople want to do their ob becuse they think its cool but people moslty young dont understand, i know so many guys how ant to be police officers but dont know jack shit about it they just think its cool nothing else, those people will probobly fail the first writen test and let alone the academy

Posted by: camarosuper6

QuestionGuy..... I agree, especially with that last statement. I met so many people who wanted to be a cop for the simple power of the position. They fail to realize how much responsiblity comes with that power, on AND off duty.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

im sorry i just realized that i sounded mean, i wasnt im just saying, i respect this carreer and im a part of it and will be in the future, and I will always stand behind it because i am very proud of myself and all the other officers out there.
Sure there are some bad apples but it doesnt mean you have to cut donw the whole tree because of it.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

I understand man, I know all of that. But i think the good thing we got out of it is that departments can choose the best out of the best since so many poepole show up on POST

Posted by: PreMier

Are you both growing mustaches since you know.. your gonna be cops?

j/k

Good idea. However, I dont think that an off duty officer thats in another state should 'Take the law into his own hands' so to say.(IE: They see some 16 year old kid smoking, and try to give him a ticket)

Posted by: QuestionGuy

they are not gona do that, it is called officers disscretion man, shit. Never mind im done with this post, i get to involved with poeple who dont understand where im comming from.

Posted by: maniclion

The thought that cops can go bad so no cops should carry guns is stupid. Teachers and priests can be pedophiles does that mean we should close the schools and churches.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

Police officers are not suppsed to be caryin a weapon while consuming any amount of alcohol.
Which tells me 2 things here. 1st someone fed you full of shit. OR 2nd that cop was pretty lousy and didnt probobly wanna do it anymore (close to retire) but i think its probobly bull shit. it could also be someone impersonating a cop since civilians do not always get the full story or the police report. A lot of guys who have guns consealed weapon permints will act cool and impersonate a police officer not knowing that they can go to jail for up to 10 years on that

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

they are not gona do that, it is called officers disscretion man, shit. Never mind im done with this post, i get to involved with poeple who dont understand where im comming from.

Ok, I should have posed it as a question. Thats good to know that they arent supposed to do that.

Posted by: Chain Link

I think its crap. Officers should have always had that abilty, lol. They are on duty 24/7, so why the hell would they not carry a firearm, aside from their own discretion? If we cant trust our LEOs off duty, then we really shouldnt trust them on duty.

to all of our law enforcement.

Posted by: pmech

Question guy, never once did I say it was a bad idea, nor did I disrespect the honored profession of being a police officer. The only thing I said was they need to be evaluated just like the rest of us humans. As far as being fed full of shit, ya that must be right because I never read the papers in my city. AND I went as far as saying I could never do the job. Drop it already.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

Police officers are not suppsed to be caryin a weapon while consuming any amount of alcohol.

while that may be true at least 70% of the cops that I know carry a weapon in their car when they go out drinking...

Posted by: Luke9583

I'm not worried about police officers being dangerous with fire arms, i'm worried about their driving abilities. They should be required to attend performance driving classes on a regular basis, as it's a huge part of their job.

99% of people do not know squat about vehicle dynamics.

Posted by: Jeeper

This law is horrible. It says that police are a special class of citizens that are above the rest of us. If the average person cant carry concealed across the nation then the police shouldnt be allowed to either. Special rights dont help anything.

(The argument about police knowing better than regular people about how to handle gun situations isnt really valid. Police shoot the wrong person at a higher percentage of the time than CCW holders do.)

Posted by: Du

The law is great. However, it should be broadened to allow all adult citizens to carry concealed weapons at any time, in any state.

If everyone were easily able to carry concealed weapons, muggers et al would think twice about committing crimes. And, if they were to commit the crime, at least the victim can level the playing field by being able to protect himself.

Gun control means being able to hit your target.

Posted by: camarosuper6

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The argument about police knowing better than regular people about how to handle gun situations isnt really valid. Police shoot the wrong person at a higher percentage of the time than CCW holders do.)

Thats the stupidest comment Ive ever read. Police shoot the wrong person at a higher percentage? Police are put in shooting situations for a living, the percentages of Police Officers getting in shootings compared to a regular person with a CCW alone are probably 99 percent to 1. Well DUH Police are going to make more incorrect assesments, given the fact that they are commonly put in stressful situations on a daily basis where force has to be used.

The statement itself is ludacris.

Posted by: dg806

Not sure about what the law(if it was passed) reads. I know we have reciprocity with several states around NC, but not all 50. YET! And it's different if you show your ass when you get drunk and have a gun. If I ever see one wave it or show their ass while they have one, they are in for a good ass chewing! FWI, I carry one just about everywhere I go also, but I definately don't show my ass. And most bars like it knowing they have an officer there.

Posted by: dg806

And I can verify that police are put in shoot/no shoot situations way beyond what any private ccw holder will be. Training is very intense. Police are also in those situations much more than any person normally. Yes police do make mistakes. We are all human. You have to remember these are split second, life threating situations and you don't have time to think..................just react. It's in those situations where your training comes in!

Posted by: QuestionGuy

Ok, ill answer that question with a question, So what ur saying is that the officer has the weapon in the car or on him??? rememebr he has a gun in his car not on him when he goes in the bar the weapon stays in the car (trunk)... thats all i have to say

Posted by: QuestionGuy

They are required to attend performance driving tests all the time, plus when they are on duty. They are profesional drivers and they know how to drive, yes better then you.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

This is for JEEPERS

You sir a an IDIOT ok, ? You are probobly somewhere in a stupid southern redneck state. dumbass. damn your whole post was just wrong man. wtf ?

Posted by: QuestionGuy

I do not agree with you there my friend, if the averege joe shmoe start walking aroun with a gun and get mad at a guy who flips him off, dont you think we would have more killings around ? think about it man, we would also have more people impersonatin police officers, which is a bad thing, yeah i know its cool to be in a possision of power but there comes great responsibility with it.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

I know there is gona be many haters out there right now but i dont care, i dont think there is one person here that knows more about law enforcement than me, if there is i greatly respect him for it. again im not being koky im just stating that some of these pepole are WRONG. all the other guys who have a negative opinion about me can please leyt me know what they think. I will answer every question and i promise i will make you change your mind about L.E.

Posted by: Chain Link

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

You sir a an IDIOT ok, ? You are probobly somewhere in a stupid southern redneck state. dumbass. damn your whole post was just wrong man. wtf ?

Hey now! Im in a southern state.. Not too many rednecks here though, looks like Florida leans more left, but not by much. Ya need to put quotes in those responses so we know who you're talking to (We can figure it out, but save us some time

):P

Posted by: Chain Link

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

Iif the averege joe shmoe start walking aroun with a gun and get mad at a guy who flips him off, dont you think we would have more killings around ?

I, personally, have never heard of such a case. We have CCW in Florida, which allows you to carry pretty much anywhere that doesnt have it posted. Most people with such instability are already criminals, and cannot aquire a CCW anyways; but would, and do carry illegally. After all, the point of CCW is that nobody knows you're packing, so people who carry illegally are only caught after they've commited a crime.
Of course there will be instances where scenarios similar to the one you mention do happen. Id expect that in a country with such a taboo for firearms. In highschool over 1/2 of your classes are electives, AKA daycare. And there is not even one OPTIONAL firearms class. I believe there should be a required firearms class. Not like, lets go to the range and fire guns class, but informational and safety. Statistic and movies class.. kind of like drivers ed where they show you a bunch of people in car accidents to scare you. lol.

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

to be in a possision of power but there comes great responsibility with it.

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

i dont think there is one person here that knows more about law enforcement than me

Well aren't you special tough guy

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

They are required to attend performance driving tests all the time, plus when they are on duty. They are profesional drivers and they know how to drive, yes better then you.

Bullsh#t. I know many police officers, and have state officers in the family (Michigan). They don't know the first thing about performance driving, and most should not even be allowed around a 4,500lbs cruiser.

"better than me"... You're really quick to assume, like your above statement about your self proclaimed law enforcement knowledge. What makes you think you know what my driving capabilities are

Posted by: camarosuper6

In California... during the academy we are required 40 hours of performance driving at a closed course. Its a lot of fun, and really does teach you some good skills, but as far as renewing them, I dont BELIEVE Officers are required too.

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

In California... during the academy we are required 40 hours of performance driving at a closed course. Its a lot of fun, and really does teach you some good skills, but as far as renewing them, I dont BELIEVE Officers are required too.

FUN! Mind if I ask what the classes are like? What kind of skill/techniques do they really push for?

Posted by: dg806

High speed and maneuverability.

Posted by: dg806

I like the old "Dale Earnhardt" short track trick myself!

Posted by: Luke9583

Can you be more specific?

Posted by: Jeeper

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Huh??? WHat does percentage have to do with the number of shooting you are involved in? That is why it is a percentage. Are you saying that the more shootings you are in, the more inept you become? A percentage is determined irrelevant of the total number.

Posted by: Jeeper

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Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

This is for JEEPERS

You sir a an IDIOT ok, ? You are probobly somewhere in a stupid southern redneck state. dumbass. damn your whole post was just wrong man. wtf ?

What a logical and educated response. Tell me what is wrong in a reasoned opinion and I will respond with a counter argument.

As far as your argument about somone flipping off someone else and them getting shot...Find me a case where this has happened. Florida has had CCW for more than 20 years. Around 40 states have it also. You would hear about it if it happened. CCW holders have a lower crime rate than basically any other discernable group.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Texas had an imediate resaponse to its CCW enactment. Crime droped and Houston Lost its title as murder capital of USA. Fear does generate respect.

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Texas had an imediate resaponse to its CCW enactment. Crime droped and Houston Lost its title as murder capital of USA. Fear does generate respect.

lmao, so it went from Houston to Flint, michigan

. It must have been a close race to begin with.

Posted by: camarosuper6

In our Academy, we had many points stressed. We did work on a skid-pan and how to drive through skids. We did high speed pursuit work, and how to properly gas/brake a vehicle on turns and such at high speeds. We did parking, manuverability, passing other vehicles and other fun stuff

Posted by: Luke9583

Where you tought any technical driving techniques like the scandinavian flick or left foot braking? Did they encourage you to participate in SCCA or solo events?

Posted by: Big Smoothy

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Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

It's the Republican's way of "increasing" the number officers in the field, so they dont have to pay overtime, or pay for more officers. Bush is also the one who stopped the "COPS" program, which pays for more officers, vests, cruisers, etc. HE just threw them a bone

Instead of supporting police officers in our own country, goes cheap here, and spend money on police in Iraq. Bush even gives welfare money to former Baath party members!

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