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Posted by: Tom_B

I made my switch between a cable pulley to free weights and I love it!, much better workout.
But I was expecting my entire body to be completely sore, but for some reason my upper body really wasn't (shoulders were but just a little) but my legs and ass, hurt so bad I found it hard to walk lol. So would this mean that I'm not lifting enough for my upper body if its not really sore, even though the intensity of my workout is pretty good.
Also I was wondering of anyone could give me some advice on what would be better, doign a 4 day split working a muscle twice a week (what I'm doing now), or maybe doing a 4 day spilt working the muscles once a week.

Posted by: Var

Soreness is NOT necessary for hypertrophy. We all love the feeling because it makes us think we had a good workout, but its just not the case.

Posted by: Vieope

Soreness is great but besides the psychological boost, it is just latic acid.

Posted by: Hulkk500

the beginning soreness is the lactic acid (the initial burn from the sets) But the soreness you feel days after is actually calcium spurs that irritates the muscle (I'm not sure in detail what the calcium is doing there) but I've heard it from a personal trainer (and he wasn't no fitness trainer)

I think I remember him saying something about little satellite looking things that help rebuild the muscle, but he said its from the motor unit burning the glycogen or something in a profuse manner leaving the calcium spurs to irritate the muscle. Something like that... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Lets just hope I do.

Posted by: Vieope

I don´t know if it is calcium or not, could be. A few days after it is DOMS.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Hulkk500

the beginning soreness is the lactic acid (the initial burn from the sets) But the soreness you feel days after is actually calcium spurs that irritates the muscle (I'm not sure in detail what the calcium is doing there) but I've heard it from a personal trainer (and he wasn't no fitness trainer)

I think I remember him saying something about little satellite looking things that help rebuild the muscle, but he said its from the motor unit burning the glycogen or something in a profuse manner leaving the calcium spurs to irritate the muscle. Something like that... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Lets just hope I do.

DOMS is caused by changes in muscle cell calcium homeostasis and an inflammatory response from micro trauma to skeletal muscle...

Posted by: Var

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Originally Posted by Hulkk500

I've never heard of calcium spurs before.

DOMS is caused not by lactic acid, but by pain receptors being activated by muscle protein breakdown and cell inflamation. DOMS should be avoided as it can lead to overtraining, however, post exercise muscle soreness (not crippling pain, and doesnt last as long) is normal when your muscles are introduced to a new kind of exercise.

Posted by: Var

Wish LAM had posted his response before I typed all that shit up!

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Soreness is great but besides the psychological boost, it is just latic acid.

I think you're confusing soreness with the muscle burn in the gym, that is caused by lactic acid buildup.

Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by LAM

DOMS is caused by changes in muscle cell calcium homeostasis and an inflammatory response from micro trauma to skeletal muscle...

From my understanding homeostasis is when the organism is trying to regulate itself. Is it due to excess of calcium or lack of it? Supplementation with calcium a day after may reduce DOMS?

Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I think you're confusing soreness with the muscle burn in the gym, that is caused by lactic acid buildup.

Yes, that is right. So soreness and DOMS mean the same thing?

Posted by: Var

DOMS is Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness

Posted by: Vieope

Sure but soreness is .. ?
I was believed that soreness and burn were the same thing.

Posted by: Var

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vieope

Sure but soreness is .. ?
I was believed that soreness and burn were the same thing.

I think the original poster was talking about soreness after working out, not during (burn).

Posted by: Vieope

Ok so we have three?
Burn - while working out
Soreness - right after the workout
DOMS - a day or two later ..
Is that right?

Posted by: LAM

right...typically DOMS is most prevalent 48 hours after the training session...

Posted by: Tom_B

lol thanks for all the replies, thst was fast
Well don't get a burn. sorness or DOMS for my upper body, but for my lower body I get all 3, it's weird. Hopefully my legs still aren't sore tomorrow cause I ahve to train them and if they are that's gonna be brutal

Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by LAM

right...typically DOMS is most prevalent 48 hours after the training session...

Great thanks. I never really see the difference between burn and soreness but that is ok.

Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by Tom_B

lol thanks for all the replies, thst was fast
Well don't get a burn. sorness or DOMS for my upper body, but for my lower body I get all 3, it's weird. Hopefully my legs still aren't sore tomorrow cause I ahve to train them and if they are that's gonna be brutal

Increase the number of repetition, it will give you what you are looking for.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Tom_B

if you legs seem to suffer from DOMS more than you other body parts you need to stretch them good after you train them, it helps in more ways than you can imagine..

Posted by: Vieope

He wants the DOMS LAM.

Posted by: Hulkk500

Everyone has a different definition in their own verbatim, now I know why the world can never have peace, even people who like the same thing have to argue and bicker about whose right. Oh well.

Posted by: Tom_B

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Increase the number of repetition, it will give you what you are looking for.

lol I was doing 2 sets of 25 reps (10 sec rest inbetween sets)

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Originally Posted by LAM

if you legs seem to suffer from DOMS more than you other body parts you need to stretch them good after you train them, it helps in more ways than you can imagine..

ok thanks I'll try that out, even though I stretch enough on off days, damn Pilates

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Originally Posted by Vieope

He wants the DOMS LAM.

I'm also not necissarily looking for DOMS, I was just wondering if since I wasn't sore if I wasn't training my upper body enough, but now I know you don't need to be sore to know it was a good workout.

Posted by: LAM

Different body parts can be more or less susceptible to the effects of DOMS. It doesn't mean that they were or were not stimulated more or less.

Posted by: Tom_B

ok thanks I've always wondered that, but after your body gets use to it, it eventually stops or dosen't hurt as much right? Cause right now my legs hurt so much and tomrrow's a leg day so I'm not sure how that's gonna work, I guess I'll have to push through the pain.

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