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Posted by: Woody_London

My doctor has prescribed me Testogel (The UK name for Androgel) at 50mg a day. Is this enough to have an anabolic effect?

Posted by: Minotaur

No. The therapeutic dosage is the same amount the body would produce. You would have to bathe and soak in the gel to have an anabolic effect to the degree that anabolic steroids will.

I've been on Androgel for over two years, and while it has help improve my libido and helped me gain muscle and grow, it has had no more of an effect than my own testosterone, in normal amounts would.

If you want the effects of anabolics, you have to use anabolics. But in our cases, being monitored by a doctor, it's not a good idea. Your testosterone level will go through the roof, tipping off the doc that something is up. Besides, if you go the anabolics route, the gel becomes superfluous.

Posted by: bradfordlad

Ive tried loads to gain some weight and muscle mass, not a thing happens. No weight gain no signs of any increase in muscle size.

Tried all kinds in the gym , still no joy, tried eating 6 meals a day. still nothing. I think I must either have a very high metabolism or perhaps low testosterone level.

Ive not had a test done yet, but are thinking perhaps it would be a good idea. what should my levels be and what exactly is the test likely to show.

Im 37 5ft 11 tall and weigh 9 stone, I was wondering about Testogel would it make any difference to my weight and muscle growth if my levels were low or OK, surely if they were OK the testogel would make a bigger inpact on building my body up??

Also if I used testogel how long would you recommend using it for, is it something like 6 wks on 2 wks off etc? and is there a real possibility of me loosing my hair if I went on testogel?

appreciate any advice

Posted by: kicka19

i find it very informative

Posted by: Pirate!

Minotaur was right on.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

I choose not to do 'roids any more, so I do not really 'visit' this section anymore. But one quick look makes it obvious you and TOM, have totally fucked up the anabolic forum. I don't know Mudge's opinion, but I notice he no longer posts here much, and I assume it is because he has too much grace AND class to associate himself with this bullshit.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by bradfordlad

Ive tried loads to gain some weight and muscle mass, not a thing happens. No weight gain no signs of any increase in muscle size.

Tried all kinds in the gym , still no joy, tried eating 6 meals a day. still nothing. I think I must either have a very high metabolism or perhaps low testosterone level.

Ive not had a test done yet, but are thinking perhaps it would be a good idea. what should my levels be and what exactly is the test likely to show.

Im 37 5ft 11 tall and weigh 9 stone, I was wondering about Testogel would it make any difference to my weight and muscle growth if my levels were low or OK, surely if they were OK the testogel would make a bigger inpact on building my body up??

Also if I used testogel how long would you recommend using it for, is it something like 6 wks on 2 wks off etc? and is there a real possibility of me loosing my hair if I went on testogel?

appreciate any advice

yes, it low T levels are your problem, you should get that checked by a doc.

Posted by: Pirate!

Very true, JD. Nothing wrong with bumping an old post. Then again, I don't have 41,000 posts...

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by bradfordlad

Im 37 5ft 11 tall and weigh 9 stone, I was wondering about Testogel would it make any difference to my weight and muscle growth if my levels were low or OK, surely if they were OK the testogel would make a bigger inpact on building my body up??

No matter what drugs you take if you dont eat your way then you wont get there. You need the food, period.

Posted by: arlowf

This is the most bro intelligent thread...

Yes, your going to get gains off of T Gel, or you can. It depends on how much your rub on/the dosage, either way, your going to get more that gel than you likely ever would from your own Testes if your above 25 (that's an age pulled from somewhere near my buttocks region). 50mgs is ungodly low, but if 15% of that gets across, giving you about 12mg a day... Well, your body typically doesn't produce above "10mgs" a day naturally. So your still flying high on TRT.

Posted by: arlowf

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Originally Posted by Minotaur

No. The therapeutic dosage is the same amount the body would produce. You would have to bathe and soak in the gel to have an anabolic effect to the degree that anabolic steroids will.

More like rub on a few extra ML's... And test gel IS an Anaboic steroid. It's al about the delivered doses... But he wouldn't have to bathe and soak in it to get around 100mgs across, more like a handful or abit more.

Be sure to get on a low dose AE and AI if you decide to up the gel amount, and run HCG for short bursts (like one week) about every three-four weeks at 500 a week to keep your testes full and allow you to have kids later on if you want. Also, gyno is one of the biggest side effects of TRT. So be careful. Personally, I think this is a big waste of time at such a low dose.

Posted by: VMSEddieF

Ive finally gotten thru to one doctor - my good ol regular medical doctor from where i was born and raised..NY.

He gave me Testim which is same as Androgel. My total test levels confirmed i was on the low end so i'm to apply the 50mg daily for 8 weeks then have blood work done (have paper). I WILL let you guys know the effect it had on me in 2 months. Hoping for 200 pts additional test score.

Posted by: Retard69

Hi, i just got testogel from my doctor...50mg to start with!
But as he said, "We will put tons of gel on you for one year and see what happens"
He ment that after 2 weeks, he will double the dose! And so on...Will this have positiv effects on my training?

Posted by: Retard69

I said wrong...I am on 100 mg testogel now!
First day today...

Posted by: MeatZatk

Just got a prescription for Testim (50mg). My test levels were about 250 (the range I was told is between 240-850). I filled the prescription today, and to my dismay, a 30 day supply cost me $200. Any ideas on a cheaper option? I've tried to research info on injections. They sound cheaper, but does the doc have to do them, or can I?

Posted by: Mudge

Some doctors will let you take your supply home and inject yourself, but prescrption amounts are to bring you into normal range, not Ronnie Coleman range.

Posted by: MeatZatk

oh, I know. I'm not looking to get into Ronnie's range. If I could get them up into the 700's I'd be more than satisfied. I just can't afford the $200 gel each month.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by MeatZatk

oh, I know. I'm not looking to get into Ronnie's range. If I could get them up into the 700's I'd be more than satisfied. I just can't afford the $200 gel each month.

that is about right, it will keep you in the 700-900ng range, do you have insurance, or do they not cover it?

Posted by: MeatZatk

I have insurance (obviously not the best). The pharmacy told me that w/o insurance, Testim is $300. With my coverage, it drops down to $235, then I went to the Testim website and printed out a $40 coupon that lasts for a year.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatZatk

I have insurance (obviously not the best). The pharmacy told me that w/o insurance, Testim is $300. With my coverage, it drops down to $235, then I went to the Testim website and printed out a $40 coupon that lasts for a year.

did you price out Androgel?

The Official Site of AndroGel

Posted by: MeatZatk

I just did, thanks for the link. There wasn't a price on the website, so I did a search and found PharmacyChecker.com. Just saw that if I order Testim (or Androgel) from the Costco pharmacy, I could get a 10 month supply for $487. That would save me about $150/month. So Prince, you think a 50mg dose a day could get my levels up in the 700-900 range?

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by MeatZatk

So Prince, you think a 50mg dose a day could get my levels up in the 700-900 range?

probably different for everyone, but that is typical for most from what I know.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I had my test levels checked and I was around 240ish....I was feeling slugish etc...had my bi-annual blood work done and asked he checked hormones...I was real low for my age. I use 4 pumps of Androgel per day...after a month I had blood work done again and I was up to the high 800's....so from low end of normal to the high end in a month with 4 pumps a day. I assume my test now is that of a 18 year old. With my insurance I only pay $25 per month for the Androgel. I am trying to get my Dr to give me the injections to do at home but he is not digging it...and I am not going to tell him I know what I'm doing....so I'll just rub this junk on daily for now I guess.

I have noticed a huge increase in libido (get hard all the time..even when I would prefer not to be)....as for mood I feel no change. I think my poor mood could be more contributed to stress in my life right now....so from low to high I don't feel much different...just more aroused....It seems like I have leaned out a bit without going out of my way....so any who HRT isn't a bad idea, but like everyone mentioned I think it has to be way higher in order to pack on muscle faster then the average person...on the bright side you can gain muscle like you were 18 again...and for me that was the years I could eat clean and lift hard and make huge gains...

Posted by: MeatZatk

welp, I got my test levels checked again today after a month of using Testim. On July 18th my test level was 253 and as of August 19th they are at 178! What the Fuck? I might as well have just burned the $200. Got an appointment to see a urologist on the 2nd about injections. Not happy right now.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I read online that you can take Androgel, or even 100mg every two weeks of Test E for PCT, or part of it to get test levels back to normal. Or shall I say take this until your body gets going again. The medical research was saying at these doses 10g daily androgel, or the 100mg every two weeks test E your body still makes its own, but this will keep you in normal range to avoid muscle loss coming off a cycle.

Does anyone know about this, or tried it, or have an opinion? It sounds like it makes logical sense to me. You keep levels in normal range while your body recovers and you wake PCT drugs like Nolva, Clomid, and or HCG. I would probably do this in the future if I cycle again. It makes sense if that low dose keeps you in normal range, but will not suppress you. HMMMM

Posted by: jchappj

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I read online that you can take Androgel, or even 100mg every two weeks of Test E for PCT, or part of it to get test levels back to normal. Or shall I say take this until your body gets going again. The medical research was saying at these doses 10g daily androgel, or the 100mg every two weeks test E your body still makes its own, but this will keep you in normal range to avoid muscle loss coming off a cycle.

Does anyone know about this, or tried it, or have an opinion? It sounds like it makes logical sense to me. You keep levels in normal range while your body recovers and you wake PCT drugs like Nolva, Clomid, and or HCG. I would probably do this in the future if I cycle again. It makes sense if that low dose keeps you in normal range, but will not suppress you. HMMMM

On paper it sounds logical to me also. I'm not sure how you'd figure out a range to stay within so shutdown doesn't occur since everyone would be different. On one hand it sounds like a great idea on another it sounds like playing with fire. Would you mind posting where you read this? Very interesting.

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