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Presidential Election: Who are you voting for?

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Posted by: Flex

Closing in on November, there's been endless debate on TV, radio, newspaper, magazine and on our very own IM regarding who to vote for in the upcoming election.

We've had numerous threads on IM alone discussing the subject, yet i really don't know which way IM sways.

After all the info i've seen and read, i can't believe people still want Bush in office. But that's not the point of this thread. It's an anonymous poll, so don't feel obliged to write your name if you don't want to.

There is a category for "other", for all you who will vote for someone other than the main 2. I only included Bush and Kerry specificaly, b/c we all know no one else stands a chance.

Therefore, vote for your candidate for Pres. of the US.

Posted by: Flex

I voted Kerry, because i just can't believe all the crap Bush has pulled...

Posted by: Du

I voted other...

Michael Badnarik. We all know CT is a liberal state, and Kerry will get our electoral votes. So there is no use in voting Bush here. Id rather give the Libertarians some more votes. I think he is best candidate anyways.

Posted by: pmech

Where is my "None of the above" choice? This poll is just as horribly limited as real life.

I vote Denis Leary!

Posted by: Flex

Originally Posted by pmech

Where is my "None of the above" choice? This poll is just as horribly limited as real life.

I vote Denis Leary!

oops. i guess i'll add a "none of the above" for all you non-voters...

Posted by: Flex

well, i guess i can't.

so for anyone voting "none of the above", just indicate so in a post...

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Bush. I may not like him, but Kerry's not an improvement.

Posted by: ZECH

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Bush. I may not like him, but Kerry's not an improvement.

Now that is the first reasonable statement I've seen

Posted by: Flex

without getting into an arguement, how is that true?^

Bush has done nothing but bad. How do you know how Kerry will do?

Posted by: Du

Originally Posted by Flex

without getting into an arguement, how is that true?^

Bush has done nothing but bad. How do you know how Kerry will do?

LOL, "without getting into an argument."

As if that'll stop it.

Posted by: BabsieGirl

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Bush. I may not like him, but Kerry's not an improvement.

I 2nd that

Posted by: Flex

Originally Posted by du510

LOL, "without getting into an argument."

As if that'll stop it.

I'm just saying, CLEARLY people dislike Bush, right? That's what everyone says.

But they say Kerry will do no better. How do they know that? I just don't get it...

Posted by: Rauschgift

I posted this in another thread but maybe it fits in better here.

Why would any of you believe a word that comes out of Kerry's mouth? Just about everything he says is the exact opposite of the way he has voted over the last twenty years. Pleeeeeeeeease he won't raise taxes. Are you shitin me...that's what liberals do, they take your money to fund all of their crack brain schemes. Of course this always appeals to the lazy bums looking for handouts. Kerry is just plain dangerous for America right now the last thing we need in office in a time of war is a pantie wearing liberal. If you are voting for Kerry it is because A) You are looking for a handout B) You are naive.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Originally Posted by Rauschgift

I posted this in another thread but maybe it fits in better here.

Why would any of you believe a word that comes out of Kerry's mouth? Just about everything he says is the exact opposite of the way he has voted over the last twenty years.

He has changed sides on some issues, but with good reason. We don't really need to go over this again, it was covered in the debates.

Pleeeeeeeeease he won't raise taxes. Are you shitin me...that's what liberals do, they take your money to fund all of their crack brain schemes.

In the past 40 years, only 2 presidents have lowered taxes, Bush and Kennedy. One dem and one Repub. Last I checked, there were a bunch of Repubs and a bunch of dems in between there, so they are both guilty of raising taxes.

Of course this always appeals to the lazy bums looking for handouts. Kerry is just plain dangerous for America right now the last thing we need in office in a time of war is a pantie wearing liberal. If you are voting for Kerry it is because A) You are looking for a handout B) You are naive.

I would like to add a C.

C)Not looking to continue going on the same downhill path for 4 more years.

I honestly believe if GW remains president this country will be unfixable in 4 years, if it lasts that long.

Posted by: busyLivin

hmm.. who should I vote for.

Posted by: Rauschgift

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I honestly believe if GW remains president this country will be unfixable in 4 years, if it lasts that long.

Just as I suspected naive. Bush is just fixing what Clinton F'ed up. Let me guess

you think it was Bush who sent the economy into a recession a couple of months into his term. And he was probably the mastermind behind 9/11 too. Some people never learn... more government is bad for America.

Posted by: Du

Either way, I think this has become the most vicious and divisive elecition in recent history. It is splitting the nation in two, ideologically. And that, my friends, is just bad.

Posted by: Rauschgift

Originally Posted by du510

Either way, I think this has become the most vicious and divisive elecition in recent history. It is splitting the nation in two, ideologically. And that, my friends, is just bad.

Actually that is exactly what makes America great. Everyone gets to express their own ideologies.

Posted by: redspy

Washington artist Kayti Didriksen's painting 'Man of Leisure, King George' depicts President Bush in the well-known style of Manet's 'Olympia', as he is presented with his crown by a depiction of Vice President Dick Cheney. The cartoonish painting has been taken down from the wall at the City Museum of Washington, awaiting a more welcoming venue. (AP Photo/Artomatic, Jim Tretick)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...&e=2&ncid=1756

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Originally Posted by Rauschgift

Just as I suspected naive. Bush is just fixing what Clinton F'ed up. Let me guess

Nope, wrong. The problems I have with Bush are that he misled about Iraq, strategically he went into Iraq unprepared, and 9/11 occured on his watch where there seemed to be plenty of evidence that it may happen. And despite all of this, he still won't admit he has fucked up. Also, he will suceed in destroying the environment in the next 4 years.

I honestly could not care less about the economy, I have money. I am also against welfare of any kind other than unemployment. I DO believe Sadam was a threat, but he was not next in line, Syria and/or N Korea were.

Posted by: Du

Originally Posted by Rauschgift

Actually that is exactly what makes America great. Everyone gets to express their own ideologies.

I agree with that. However, this election has become more an argument than a debate. You cannot deny that is has split the nation more than ever.

I definitely agree that a great thing about the US is that we can all express our own ideas. But, I think this election is beyond that. It has absolutely polarized our nation.

Posted by: kbm8795

no vote for a Party platform drafted by televangelists

Posted by: Rauschgift

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

9/11 occured on his watch where there seemed to be plenty of evidence that it may happen.

You are making my case for me.

NAIVETY thinking that 9/11 wouldn't have occurred if someone else was in office... or for that matter thinking it won't happen again if Kerry is in office. As far as N. Korea and Syria are concerned I think they are a concern. But please tell me you don't think Kerry would ever do anything but flap his gums about that.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I don't think Bush will go after them either. Iraq will consume our forces for the next 4 years as well. At least with Kerry there is a chance, albeit slight, that other noations may join.

As far as 9/11 occurring on someone else's watch. I do believe that it WOULD have happened under Gore's watch, but if there was someone even just a slight bit competent as president it would have never happened. I do believe that had it happened Gore would have responded more appropriately and NOT have attacked a nation that had nothing to do with the attacks. I also believe we would have finished the first war before starting any other wars.

Also, let me respond to your reply before you post it. GORE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT 9/11. There is absolutely no president that could have gotten through that without bringing the people responsible to justice. Oh wait, Osama is still not captured, I guess there is ONE president who could have.

Posted by: Rauschgift

Dale,
Let's just agree to disagree. It's been fun though.

Posted by: tomas101

this sounds like u forfit(sp)...dale wins by tko

Posted by: Rauschgift

Originally Posted by tomas101

this sounds like u forfeit(sp)...dale wins by tko

I have learned throughout the years that sometimes there is no changing another's mind. BTW I fixed forfeit for you.

Posted by: Du

Have you guys seen this? http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...map/index.html

Although the polls are close (for a popular vote), Bush has a sizable lead in the electoral college.

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

I just want the next 4 years to fly by, ASAP. Then maybe we can get someone respectable. McCain or (dare I hope?) the man, the hero, Rudy G.!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Du

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Then maybe we can get someone respectable. McCain or (dare I hope?) the man, the hero, Rudy G.!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I am down for McCain. Rudy G, I am going to have to pass, I think McCain would be superior. Although I think Rudy G would be more likely to beat that bitch Billary.

Posted by: Rauschgift

Mani,
I think that was the longest post in the history of the internet.

Do you have any of your own thoughts or do you just read, believe, and regurgitate...er cut and paste into forums?

Posted by: maniclion

1551 Reasons not to put King George the II back on the throne.

http://www.thousandreasons.org/listC.html in chronological order.

Top Ten:

Honesty
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.
War
History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.
Economy
As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.
Liberties
Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.
Taxes
No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.
Environment
One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.
International Relations
When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.
Secrecy
This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.
Military
We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.
Corruption
The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I am down for McCain. Rudy G, I am going to have to pass, I think McCain would be superior. Although I think Rudy G would be more likely to beat that bitch Billary.

Shit, as long as that bitch is kept away from the White House, we'll all be happy.

But i gotta tell you, from personal experience, Giuliani is the man. NY was never safer or in better hands then when he was our mayor. And the way he handled everything during 9/11, was just....fucking inspirational.

Posted by: tomas101

i'd love to see mccain run, but he'll be too old by then...i cant stand rudy g...i think he's an ass and trys to soak the 9/11 bullshit too much...how about obama??

Posted by: busyLivin

Originally Posted by tomas101

how about obama??

nah, he's a democrat.

Posted by: Flex

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The problems I have with Bush are that he misled about Iraq, strategically he went into Iraq unprepared, and 9/11 occured on his watch where there seemed to be plenty of evidence that it may happen.

***And despite all of this, he still won't admit he has fucked up***

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER.

My thoughts exactly, Dale.

Posted by: redspy

Originally Posted by du510

Have you guys seen this? http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...map/index.html

Although the polls are close (for a popular vote), Bush has a sizable lead in the electoral college.

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

This is a major concern for the Democrats. My resigned prediction is that the Dems will win in terms of the popular vote but lose the electoral college.

Al Qaeda will be delighted. The Iraq war has been the best recruiting tool in their history.

The DOJ has kindly published the Al Qaeda Training Manual just in case any of these fuckers looses their copy

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm

Posted by: Prince

New Rule: Everyone has to stop pretending that George Bush is macho because, plainly, he acts like a girl.

Not a woman – a girl. Not a week goes by when John Kerry isn't attacked because he said something that hurt someone's feelings. According to Bush spokes people, Kerry lost the first debate because of his “new insult” to our allies when he said the coalition wasn't genuine. Poland had Lithuania over for a debate party that night, and now they can't look at each other without crying.

All of the attacks on Kerry involve his thoughtless words, like when he said the Iraqi prime minister wasn't legitimate – the bitch; he hurt the troops when he said Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time – men!; he hurt the Vietnam vets when he called that war a mistake – he is so not sitting with us at lunch anymore.

Bush is all, “And another thing about John Kerry: he uses Botox, he spends too much time on his hair, and he's two-faced: flip-flopper!

And, I bet John Kerry didn't even deserve any of those medals. I woulda gone to stupid old Vietnam , but I wanted to be a stay-at-home soldier.”

Excuse me, this president isn't resolute: he's on the rag.

He stopped having press conferences, which is basically saying, “I'm not talking to you.” He acted all crampy at the debates: “Its hard work” – I kept waiting for him to say, “If you don't like how I do your shirts, then iron them yourself.”

He even ran for President like a girl. Promising to “restore dignity to the Oval office.” What man gives a rat's ass about restoring an office? A real man thinks the Oval Office lost all its integrity the day Monica Lewinsky stopped coming in there to blow the president.

And then, in the one area – I'm talking about Iraq – where he could use being a little in touch with his feminine side he acts like the typical stupid male, who gets himself lost when he's driving, won't admit it, and won't stop and ask for directions. Always insisting, “Please, I know what I'm doing.”

The only time guys like this learn their lesson is when their wives leave them. So on November second, I suggest we get a divorce.

http://www.billmaher.com/

Posted by: Saturday Fever

maniclion said it best. All ye debaters should read his post and figure out how to retort and not sound silly.

Posted by: Stickboy

Doesn't matter. Bush is ahead in projected electoral votes, so unless something really drastic happens, it's already over.

No use debating the issues since Bush pretty much has it locked up.

Best part is....the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses. (I'm talking about informed voters, not the people that believe stuff like Farenheit 9/11 is gospel).

Posted by: redspy

Originally Posted by Stickboy

Best part is....the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses. (I'm talking about informed voters, not the people that believe stuff like Farenheit 9/11 is gospel).

Given the performance of Kerry in the debates and his subsequent increase in popularity you're completely out of touch here.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Let's not insult someone's intelligence based on an opinion. It is flawed and impossible to prove (and rather ludicrous to believe) that "informed voters" will vote for Bush, implying dumbasses will vote Kerry. If you like Bush, that's fine. If you can somehow prove he's the best vote (trust me you can't, it's like a thread on what religion is right) then either do it or respect everyone else's ideas.

Personally, I'm voting Libertarian. In my opinion, any vote for reps or dems is a wasted vote. Contrary to popular belief.

Posted by: maniclion

If Bush wins and drags the country down with him can I punch every Bush supporter in the face?

Posted by: redspy

Originally Posted by maniclion

If Bush wins and drags the country down with him can I punch every Bush supporter in the face?

Do you really want to come face-to-face with that many rednecks?

Posted by: busyLivin

Originally Posted by maniclion

If Bush wins and drags the country down with him can I punch every Bush supporter in the face?

Bring it on

Posted by: Stickboy

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Let's not insult someone's intelligence based on an opinion. It is flawed and impossible to prove (and rather ludicrous to believe) that "informed voters" will vote for Bush, implying dumbasses will vote Kerry. If you like Bush, that's fine. If you can somehow prove he's the best vote (trust me you can't, it's like a thread on what religion is right) then either do it or respect everyone else's ideas.

Personally, I'm voting Libertarian. In my opinion, any vote for reps or dems is a wasted vote. Contrary to popular belief.

If I insulted someones intelligence, then I apologize.

Perhaps my logic is flawed, but I would think that anyone that has honestly looked at Kerry's voting record would be anything but appalled. (Hence, the
"informed voters" comment).

You are reading what you want to, into what I posted.

The current projected electoral vote count isn't opinion, it's fact. It may change in the coming days or weeks, but as of 10/10/04 - that's where it stands. Bush has enough to win, Kerry doesn't.

Posted by: busyLivin

That will probably happen: Bush wins electoral vote, loses popular vote.

That's sad... as much as I want Bush to win, I really want him to take the popular vote, too. Oh well, take it how I can get it.

I won't be a hypocrite, though.. I do think the popular vote should be president. Does anyone know why we have the electoral college?

I have to be careful, though.. in 2000 they predicted Bush would win the popular vote, and lose the electoral to Gore.

Posted by: Stickboy

Originally Posted by redspy

Given the performance of Kerry in the debates and his subsequent increase in popularity you're completely out of touch here.

What increase in popularity? A couple of points in the polls means nothin if he can't win the required Electoral Votes. It doesn't really matter then, does it?

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by redspy

Do you really want to come face-to-face with that many rednecks?

You're right I'd rather face 10 muslim extremists who would chop of my head in 15 seconds than 2 rednecks in a pick-up truck, drunk on Jim Beam and armed with a lasso and 15 miles of gravel road.

Posted by: Stickboy

Originally Posted by busyLivin

I won't be a hypocrite, though.. I do think the popular vote should be president. Does anyone know why we have the electoral college?

It was a very smart thing to have the electoral college in my opinion. Our founding fathers were very wise in the way they set this country up. No EC, then a few states would be dictating who wins or loses an election.

Would you really want the left coast and the east coast dictating to the other 40 or states who would win the election? It would essentially become a one party system without the EC.

Posted by: busyLivin

Originally Posted by Stickboy

I see.. makes sense. Thanks stick.

Posted by: redspy

Originally Posted by Stickboy

What increase in popularity? A couple of points in the polls means nothin if he can't win the required Electoral Votes. It doesn't really matter then, does it?

Your contention was "the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses." This doesn't align with what the latest polls are telling us.

Your point about the electoral college going to the Republicans is probably true, but that doesn't make your above statement correct.

The 'wildcard' issue is the huge number of new people registering to vote, typically a higher turnout benefits the Democrats.

Posted by: Stickboy

Originally Posted by redspy

Your contention was "the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses." This doesn't align with what the latest polls are telling us.

You know, it depends on what poll you are looking at, doesn't it? I've seen recent polls that has Bush up by 6%, or down by 4% and anywhere in between.

Your point about the electoral college going to the Republicans is probably true, but that doesn't make your above statement correct.

Perhaps not.

The 'wildcard' issue is the huge number of new people registering to vote, typically a higher turnout benefits the Democrats.

True, but conservatives are coming out in droves to register to vote as well.

Posted by: maniclion

After Clinton

After Bush

Posted by: Flex

Manic, you may possibly have the best sig. i've ever seen.

For all you uninformed, he quotes Will Hunting.

Posted by: Flex

Now i pose the question....

Is your sig. art imitating life? or life imitating art?

Posted by: ZECH

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

I just want the next 4 years to fly by, ASAP. Then maybe we can get someone respectable. McCain or (dare I hope?) the man, the hero, Rudy G.!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd vote for Rudy!

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by Flex

Now i pose the question....

Is your sig. art imitating life? or life imitating art?

That's why I posted it. It looks eerily familiar to a something I've seen recently.

Posted by: ZECH

Kerry has what, 10 states and Bush 40?? That is why we have the electoral college. Basically Kerry has the Northeast and California. Those states are heavy with minority vote. If you would split those in the 40 that Bush has, I would say he would take them all!

Posted by: camarosuper6

I'll keep it short and sweet.

I like Bush. I like 90 percent of what he has accomplished.

I agree with more policies than I disagree with.

I will vote for Bush.

Posted by: Prince

Originally Posted by Stickboy

No use debating the issues since Bush pretty much has it locked up.

LOL, we shall see, huh?

Posted by: camarosuper6

I would have said the same thing 3 weeks ago. But the debates have really done a number one many people.

I still think Bush will win, but it will be another close election.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Bush 100 percent. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, hippies

Posted by: Saturday Fever

What's funny, and that nobody realizes, is that while te electoral college stops a few states from dictating the gubment, it also ensures that this election will be decided, again, by Florida.

And that sucks cause those Florida folk can't do anything right.

Posted by: ZECH

Florida is already bagged by Bush according to most. It's Penns., Ohio and Michigan that is hot now!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Elec...ge%20Table.htm

Posted by: tomas101

after the first debacle with bush-gore, i highly doubt that bush will win florida....too many cubans and blacks that wont vote for bush....bush will get the jewish vote and will get the higher counties, but he will not win florida

Posted by: Prince

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

What's funny, and that nobody realizes, is that while te electoral college stops a few states from dictating the gubment, it also ensures that this election will be decided, again, by Florida.

And that sucks cause those Florida folk can't do anything right.

gopro lives in Florida!

Posted by: ZECH

Originally Posted by tomas101

after the first debacle with bush-gore, i highly doubt that bush will win florida....too many cubans and blacks that wont vote for bush....bush will get the jewish vote and will get the higher counties, but he will not win florida

THat poll has him up 51 to 47%

Posted by: tomas101

but they arent counting the black vote...blacks are gonna come out in record #s this yr

Posted by: RexStunnahH

Quote from Revenge Of The Nerds...... "We got BUSH!!!"

Posted by: BoneCrusher

It will be interesting to see the results that the weather will have on Florida's post election voter fraud claims.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

It is also obvious that independant voters did not learn thier lesson in 2000. Ralph will cost the independants another four more years of rotten Bush & hard Dick

Posted by: Du

Check this out -

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Posted by: redspy

Posted by: King Silverback

Bush, no wait... "W", no......"Bush" wait........."W"

GO BUSH

Posted by: busyLivin

I actually suprised at the voting here. I thought IM was mostly kerry lovers.

Glad to see there are not as many idiots here as i thought.

Posted by: OceanDude

Given the choices - hands down Bush.

Mr. "I have a Plan for everything you can think of Kerry" is a complete imbecile. All he can offer is the same bunch of bs in the style of Clinton. He attacks everything, promises what he thinks the majority want to hear and has no clue how to fund it. The only principals he possesses are "me first" and "tax the rich". My God that tune is getting old. The government can't run the post office effectively how the hell does he expect to take care of the whole country with his gargantuan government he is going to need to manage all his programs? Sure, put everyone working for the gov to get employment up. What brilliance, not. Who the hell is going to pay for all his bs? He has produced less than half a dozen bills in his 20+ years of politics and is out to lunch on all the important things. He is a complete failure and an incompetent who based on his track record has ZERO credibility. How the hell can any sane individual expect him to get any of his hundred of plans he carries around in dream suitcase passed by a Republican controlled house and senate? He is pragmatically crippled by his own incompetence and his ineffectiveness as a leader. "Tax the rich" - yeah easy for him say as he marries a billionairess to put a silver spoon in his big mouth. What a con-man. Some of you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee if you think Kerry has anything to offer the country. God help us if the welfare moms and the inner city "I want a handout" people can get out to vote and put this man in office.

Tax the Rich? No Robin Hood. I say tax stupidity and export Democrats to solve this country's economic woes.

Florida will decide it and it will definitely go Bush.

OD

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Both candidates will not solve the long-term problems America is facing.

Social Security

Prescription drug costs

Medicare

Declining wages

Outsourcing

Taxes (cannot be cut now) (The Bush tax-cut was a joke. It wasn't even a tax cut at all.)

* By focusing on your favorite candidate, be it Bush or Kerry we are all missing the point: There will NOT be any positive improvements to the long-terms challenges because no is 1. willing to deal with them, and 2. It is too difficult to do, now.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Well said Snafu

Posted by: OceanDude

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Both candidates will not solve the long-term problems America is facing.

Social Security

Prescription drug costs

Medicare

Declining wages

Outsourcing

Taxes (cannot be cut now) (The Bush tax-cut was a joke. It wasn't even a tax cut at all.)

* By focusing on your favorite candidate, be it Bush or Kerry we are all missing the point: There will NOT be any positive improvements to the long-terms challenges because no is 1. willing to deal with them, and 2. It is too difficult to do, now.

I agree on most of this snafu. But you know what? The presidency is not all that powerful of a position in this country anyway. People love to be pacified by all these politicians pushing these kind of hot topic buttons but they have nearly zero power to do anything about it. "We the people to form a more perfect union" (not) took a lot of power away from government because we have always been paranoid about big government (as well we should be). This was the entire reason the colonist left Europe to come here - big, non-representative government does not work! History has shown this over and over and over. Even in a Democracy, once government becomes large (as it will under the perverted vision of the Democrats) there is no longer much notion of "we the people" because we all work for the government and it all devolves to a socialistic system with very little wage differentiation and no incentive to invent or improve anything or get ahead. The people essentially have no representation since we all work mostly for the same people (government) and we all get content, fat and lazy, sucking the government cow tit. What made this country great was innovation and market motivation to constantly improve quality of life.

The obesity epidemic in this country reflects precisely our problem and how everyone just wants to take take take. We have gone from a country of rugged pioneers and independents that would rather die than let someone else take care of them to a country of wimps. Everyone wants someone else to take care of them, to pay for their fat asses and to be served. Guess what? That pragmatically means that people would rather trade in their individual freedoms and trust incompetent government (made up of your incompetent neighbors - look around is that what anyone wants managing your lives) government to take care of them. Big government can not ever work.

Each Item comments rapidly:

Social Security : The big lie created by Democrats was the hook to get people to trust government and give up their freedoms. The idea was pay little and get more back - typical demagoguery that old people fall for. Sit down and calculate how many millions of dollars you woul have if you were forced to invest your social security contributions into your own investment program - you would me a multi-millionaire at retirement!! Think you will ever get any of that from SS? NO! They want you to die early and are playing with the actuary tables to insure you never get more than 30-40% of what you paid in. The best thing that could happen in this country would be to phase out SS completely and force the government to only fund things it can afford rather than use this fund as a bank and steal it from us and use it as a political button to scare old people during elections.

Prescription Drug Costs: Cut me a break. 80% of this problem is people not taking care of themselves and getting fat and run down and vulnerable to other diseases (diabetics, hyper tension, loss of bone density and joint pains, life style choices [AIDS], etc. etc.). The motivations should be for people to take care of themselves not drug themselves into oblivion. The other problem is that people want to be immortal - the human body was not designed to be artificially sustained with drugs 10-15 years after when they should have died had medicines not been available. I am tried of paying for heart transplants, and organ transplants of decrepit fat and obese old people in their 70's and 80's just so they can life 4-5 more years under constant medical attention. Again, take care of yourself and live longer.

Medicare: Insure yourselves - take care of yourself and only purchase catastrophic insurance for the big problems - its not that expensive with large deductibles. People want government to pay for every small little doctor visit. Go to the doctor only when you have major problems not for every snotty nose run cold etc.

Declining Wages: Government can't control this. This is a world phenomenon and is caused by the fact that we are now a global community. Third world countries will work for a fraction of what we are paid. Every-time you buy something less expensive than something built by our expensive labor you re voting to export jobs. That is life and people will want to save money My advise is get a job that is not based on physical labor or simple assembly since there are literally billions of laborers in the world who would be happy making 1-2 $/hr. Frankly those jobs do no require much intelligence and you will be better off moving up the economic ladder on a higher plane of intelligence. The truth is this country is no longer growing like it was in its early history and most people have the basics for what they need and don't need to purchase much more. So the need for fundamental "things" is not as high as it was and people are now buying "ego" things - fancy cars, boats, toys etc. Sorry but this is the fact of life in any market driven economy.

Outsourcing: see above. We all vote for outsourcing each and every time you buy a foreign made product that is less expensive than one made3 in the USA. This can not be stopped by government only slowed down artificially by intrusive tax laws that will result in you and I all paying more for items built here (that often times of less quality).

Bottom line: We want less government since they are no longer in control of the world economy. The only thing we need government for is waging war and protecting people. The current economic reality of the world are such that we can expect more and more wars as each country expands its influence into our traditional turf and starts to flex economic muscle to demand a bigger tit on the USA's capital cow and we start pushing back.

OD

Posted by: min0 lee

Jon Stewart

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

I just want the next 4 years to fly by, ASAP. Then maybe we can get someone respectable. McCain or (dare I hope?) the man, the hero, Rudy G.!!!!!!!!!!!

Max you will vote for Hitlery Clinton 2008... you know you will so don't lie.

Posted by: M.J.H.

I can't believe that Bush is winning here at IM.

Posted by: busyLivin

Originally Posted by MonStar

I can't believe that Bush is winning here at IM.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Originally Posted by MonStar

I can't believe that Bush is winning here at IM.

Actually, the GOP had a bunch of their people register on this site specifically to boost the poll.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Good post Manic ... I do recall that you normally post your own thoughts and source your claims on a regular basis. Some people only talk smack while making no real contribution to the thread at all while others try to enlighten and educate. Still more try to scare the shit outta people with implied threats that Hitlery will be in power in 2008 ... oh yeah that was me. My bad.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Max you will vote for Hitlery Clinton 2008... you know you will so don't lie.

I like her as much as I would the next butch dyke, but I still think we'll need a real man in the white house. Her looking like and having the same sexual appetite as one, just isn't enough.

Posted by: TheGreatSatan

With guys like Bush, Dick and Colon running the country who'd want a change?? :LOL:

Posted by: perfectbody

there is no need to contribute if U don't noe anything. This is kinda lame attitude.

Posted by: ZECH

I think this is a pretty accurate representation of what is to come...........

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Originally Posted by dg806

I think this is a pretty accurate representation of what is to come...........

You're prob'ly Dg. But you know i am gonna rub your nose in your choice as we get half way through the next term

Posted by: ZECH

I can take it!

Posted by: OceanDude

There really is no choice in this. We got to finish up and colonize the rest of the world and take over all the oil and then sell it all to the jews before Ted Kennedy dies and the Democrats by luck of the draw glom onto someone with respectful leadership that people might vote for.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Originally Posted by OceanDude

There really is no choice in this. We got to finish up and colonize the rest of the world and take over all the oil and then sell it all to the jews before Ted Kennedy dies and the Democrats by luck of the draw glom onto someone with respectful leadership that people might vote for.

I always knew your true feelings OD. Good to see ya post 'em

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Originally Posted by OceanDude

Great point.

Outsourcing will continue and it isn't Bush's fault that these jobs have been lost and/or gone over sees.

The same goes for the Congress, in general.

The American economy is globally interdependent upon many factors and the federal government doesn't have as much control over it as people tend to think.

Keeping the dollar a bit weak is better for the U.S. economy, even though the U.S. government claims it wants a strong one.

And....

Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve has the most influence over the economic trends in the U.S. and even then the economy is too intricate and globally interlinked for attention and faith to be placed on politicians.

Posted by: Lurker

Between a douche bag and a turd sandwich who cares? Oh the moral is its always between a douche bag and a turd sandwich

I am voting for Barbie. She has never been real and you always know where she is standing and if you want you can put her in any position you like

Posted by: simbh

Damn Im glad to be canadian

lol , I know its a bit late , but it was interresting to see what all you americans were thinking during the election ...

Posted by: Luke9583

Originally Posted by simbh

Damn Im glad to be canadian

lol , I know its a bit late , but it was interresting to see what all you americans were thinking during the election ...

Stir the pot, jackass.

Posted by: simbh

pfft , kiss my canadian icy ass luke !

Posted by: Luke9583

Originally Posted by simbh

pfft , kiss my canadian icy ass luke !

we just got 6 inches

Posted by: Rich46yo

Originally Posted by simbh

Damn Im glad to be canadian

lol , I know its a bit late , but it was interresting to see what all you americans were thinking during the election ...

Kid I have two tidbits of information for you, and for the French, and for the Krauts, the Brits, the Irish, Lithuanians, and anyone fucking else in the world. #1, Is we dont give a shit what you think of our election, who we vote for, and we certainly dont give a shit about any of your phony straw polls for American Presidents. #2, And even more importantly, we dont give a shit about YOUR elections either. In fact, and for other then a few of our mush-head UN loving Liberals, you can pretty much make the safe assumption that we dont give a shit about you period!...........

.............................Rich

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Originally Posted by Rich46yo

.............................Rich

Hey Rich, your avatar with the soldier with the gun, and the American flag, rocks!

Posted by: fantasma62

Originally Posted by Rich46yo

.............................Rich

Hey Rich, amazing how you took the words right out of my mouth...er....fingers(?)

Posted by: maniclion

I think a mod should kill this thread, it's depressing.

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by maniclion

I think a mod should kill this thread, it's depressing.

ditto what he said.

Posted by: seven11

vote for me!!!

Posted by: TJ Cline

Originally Posted by Rich46yo

.............................Rich

Please get help!

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by maniclion

If Bush wins and drags the country down with him can I punch every Bush supporter in the face?

Jeeze so long ago and look where we ended up....

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxMirkin
Then maybe we can get someone respectable. McCain or (dare I hope?) the man, the hero, Rudy G.!!!!!!!!!!!

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