Your Sexual Orientation [Forum Archive]

Pages: 1

Your Sexual Orientation

(CLICK HERE here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: John H.

Honestly speaking, what is your Sexual Orientation?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I'm white.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I'm white.

Hi I,

That was FAST! (Your response). I just pushed the button to post this new thread and already I had your answer... How'd you do that?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Didn't we already have a thread on this?

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

Didn't we already have a thread on this?

Hi Max,

If there is I apologize, I missed it somehow...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: craig777

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=29526

Here it is

I am sorry you missed it John, although you started it.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by craig777

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=29526

Here it is

I am sorry you missed it John, although you started it.

Hi Craig,

The laugh sure IS on me... I forgot. Sorry to all for asking "again"... I apologize. Maybe this can be an "update" or for those who have not seen this before and want to answer.

I apologize.

Take Care, John H. :o

Posted by: SPIKE1257

John H. You're gay.....

Posted by: Prince

wonder why John H. is so interested in everyone's sexual orientation?

Posted by: JLB001

So he knows who to hit on and who not too?

Posted by: MaxMirkin

And why isn't "bestiality," one of the choices? John threatens to alienate our Southern members.

Posted by: Pirate!

This the great thing thing about the Internet: You can be anyone you want. I am straight, 6' tall, 250 lbs with 4% body fat, a full head of hair, an income of $750,000 a year, race cars professionally when I feel like it and spend the weekend with beautiful women on my 50' yacht....Did I mention that I really am straight?

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

wonder why John H. is so interested in everyone's sexual orientation?

I was wondering that myself. Kinda strange.....

Posted by: min0 lee

I see.

Posted by: Pepper

John H, you held out as long as you could w/o posting a gay thread.

You just can't help yourself.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

John H. You're gay.....

Hi Spike,

I wondered that myself just like anyone else would wonder about anything actually and did a lot of "soul searching", asking questions, getting information about, etc. ... Certainly I have learned about the hatred and the bigotry that exists towards those who are BiSexual or Homosexual and where that actually comes from and why. Learning all a person can about anything really helps to understand honestly about anything - and accurately. I keep an open mind about all things and am very objective...

No, I am BiSexual. I kinda figured that out early on actually and am just as fine with that as someone who is Heterosexual because I understand variety and variation in all things in life and living including Sexuality and it is natural.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: SPIKE1257

That's all that matters, that you are comfortable with your lifestyle. Let's just try to keep the threads in good taste..

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Also ... please do not conduct anymore fishing expiditions.

Posted by: adrien_j9

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Well said.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Don't encourage him.

Posted by: Little Wing

if you try a mango....

Posted by: Purdue Power

I applaud your openess and honesty John H. I at one time questioned my sexuality, as to whether I was heterosexual or bisexual. The difference in myself and most of the people in this country is that I wasn't afraid to admit to myself that I actually was not sure. I have a few gay friends who often encouraged me to try(obviously they were interested in it being with them). All I had to do was kiss a guy and I was absolutly sure that I didn't have an interest in men like I had previously wondered. I felt nothing during the experience. Now the difference between me and a lot of people out there is that I know for sure who I am. Not that I would have been ashamed or disappointed in myself had it turned out otherwise, but I was just happy to finally know.

There is some more honesty for you all to tear apart.

Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I applaud your openess and honesty John H. I at one time questioned my sexuality, as to whether I was heterosexual or bisexual. The difference in myself and most of the people in this country is that I wasn't afraid to admit to myself that I actually was not sure. I have a few gay friends who often encouraged me to try(obviously they were interested in it being with them). All I had to do was kiss a guy and I was absolutly sure that I didn't have an interest in men like I had previously wondered. I felt nothing during the experience. Now the difference between me and a lot of people out there is that I know for sure who I am. Not that I would have been ashamed or disappointed in myself had it turned out otherwise, but I was just happy to finally know.

There is some more honesty for you all to tear apart.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Thanks for understanding Spike. I knew that I could be honest here. You voted for Bush didn't you?

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Hi Purdue,

Most people - probably because we tend to "put on" an "exterior" - tend to be somewhat dishonest with themselves and others. For many reasons. I do not subscribe to that at all. I am who I am and I understand myself and do not "hide" from others - they either like me or they do not. I find it is much easier that way - being honest completely so - that way you truly find others who are truly interested in you - there is no lying or deception. I also found out and understand that each of the Sexualities is completely natural - and right: Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality. And that each exist naturally in life. The hatred and the bigotry that some have towards others is from their misinformation, inaccurate learning (from many sources including religion and others). KNOWING who you (meaning anyone) truly are is very important and very basic. When you (meaning anyone) lie to yourself you will lie to anyone. That is no way to "live" in my book.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

Hi Spike,

The difference between you and me is that while you find me "repulsive" apparently because of your expressions and because of your misunderstanding and misinformation I do not find you the same. People ARE Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual NATURALLY so. I truly understand people and variation and variety. It is a natural part of life and living. If a person is not interested in someone else that is perfectly fine but to take that disinterest to "a higher level" such as you apparently display is not being an adult and a Man in my book. If you are not interested, you are not interested - in a Man the difference lies in a Man understanding truthfully that there is variety in life and in living and if he is not interested he just moves on without making disparaging remarks or hateful comments.

Sometimes there are some who make these remarks because of THEIR questioning of themselves and not being honest with themselves or with others.

I like people - Human Beings - Male AND Female. But not "all".

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

So shoot me, the mental picture of one man kissing another repulses me.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Am I the only one that finds it funny as hell that Spike posted nothing more than a smiley and he gets a half page response from John H??

Ahh well. Carry on.

Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Don't put words in my mouth, I don't find you or anyone gay repulsive.. it is the act itself (2 men being intimate) I can't relate to..

Posted by: Pepper

Seriously, John H., just because he finds two guys kissing disgusting does not mean he finds you or gays in general disgusting.

My dog licks his balls - an act that I find disgusting - but he still my dog and I love him. (and before you flame me, I am not comparing gays to dogs!)

Posted by: Pepper

Having read John H's post before, if you are anything short of "homosexuality is 100% OK and should be encouraged, if not mandated" he thinks you are anti-gay and a religious nut case.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

So shoot me, the mental picture of one man kissing another repulses me.

Hi Spike,

Shoot you? Absolutely NEVER!

I completely understand what you are saying. What is fine for you IS for you. What I am trying to say and you are missing is that there is variation in Sexuality - variety - as with anything in life and what is fine for you may not be for another. One Man may want to be able to kiss another Man for example and he certainly should be able to - as long as each involved agree certainly - without the interference from others. Certainly you would not want someone telling you and forcing on you their dislike if they felt that if you were to kiss a Female they would find that something they did not "agree with" - see what I am saying?

I firmly believe in living and letting live - as long as each is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely. Anything else is absolutely no one else's business - not you, I, the government, not religion. Sexuality is a very basic thing very important in life - necessary to really live life honestly. People need to BE who they honestly ARE as born.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes. That is fine. But to legislate those views on another in a subject that is multi-faceted - varied naturally - is completely wrong. Everyone has basic rights - their Sexuality being one of the most basic, to BE who they truly are as born.

Would you like to have someone else tell you that if they saw you kissing a Female that you must not do that because they found that "repulsive"?

What if someone walked up to you and TOLD you you could not Bodybuild because "they did not like it or agree with it"? - SAME THING. You are ENTITLED to build your body. It is an absolute right you have! See what I am saying?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

Don't put words in my mouth, I don't find you or anyone gay repulsive.. it is the act itself (2 men being intimate) I can't relate to..

Hi Spike,

That really is not my intention at all Spike.

I do understand what you are saying - for YOU it is not something YOU are interested in - that's fine. It is NOT my intention to FORCE you to accept or agree with anything. I am asking that people UNDERSTAND all the aspects of Sexuality - not necessarily "accepting them for themselves" - to honestly UNDERSTAND all aspects and allow people to do as they need to do for themselves without interference from others - as long as everyone involved is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Seriously, John H., just because he finds two guys kissing disgusting does not mean he finds you or gays in general disgusting.

My dog licks his balls - an act that I find disgusting - but he still my dog and I love him. (and before you flame me, I am not comparing gays to dogs!)

Hi Pepper,

I did not really think that of Spike.

Flame you - NEVER! Why would I? I never have a problem with talking to Men - Man to Man.

As for your dog, I do understand that his licking his balls is necessary for him to be clean and healthy. He does not have "hands" to wash as Humans do. And I do not find a dog licking himself disgusting at all because I understand the necessity of that - there certainly could be more to it as well - that I am not aware of though (after all I am not a dog and only a dog would really know...)

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Having read John H's post before, if you are anything short of "homosexuality is 100% OK and should be encouraged, if not mandated" he thinks you are anti-gay and a religious nut case.

Hi Pepper,

That is not at all true actually. I am a BiSexual Man. All I have tried to do is have others DO their own research with respect to Sexuality with an open mind OBJECTIVELY - ALL aspects. That IS how anyone truly understands anything. That IS how people truly learn anything.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: camarosuper6

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.

Quote:

You voted for Bush didn't you?

WTF does that have to do with anything.

And Yes I did.

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.

I think introducing him to pmorphy would be a better idea. Maybe they can hang out.

Posted by: Rocky_Road

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky_Road

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

THANK YOU, JOHN H.

THANK YOU, PMORPHY.

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky_Road

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

Theyre like those door-to-door bible thumpers, trying to convert people.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

I think introducing him to pmorphy would be a better idea. Maybe they can hang out.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

WTF does that have to do with anything.

And Yes I did.

Hi Camarosuper6,

Yes, this is a Bodybuilding Board. Yes, there is a section devoted to the subject of Sex. I believe it is devoted to the discussion of Sex and that is what I am doing on that Section - discussing. Perhaps my posts would be considered "odd" and "pecular" since a person does not often see posts that are aimed at getting to the truth of a subject objectively and completely and accurately. Sex is a very basic subject and the whole (its entirety and scope and variations) of that subject is not really understood by people truthfully (No, I do not think I know ALL about it in its entirety but I do my best to know and understand all aspects of it - even those I personally may not "accept" for myself because I understand there is variety in all things). This country has become a nation of many "followers" and few Human Beings that are truly INDIVIDUAL with the brain God gave them to utilize objectively.

Did I vote for George Bush? Absolutely NOT - not the first time, not the second time around. Not ever. As long as the religious right - the zealots - are in bed with the Republicans you will never see freedom in this country as was intended by Our Founding Fathers.

As for "tag teaming" - thanks but I can find those I am interested in - and they me - by myself.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: cman

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Believe I said this once already but here goes again.

Andrew Dice clay say's it best!

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cman

Believe I said this once already but here goes again.

Andrew Dice clay say's it best!

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

Hi Cman,

If you will look at books on Biology and the Natural Sciences you will see there is Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual. Also, I own a farm and work construction everyday and I can tell you there is variety in all things. Naturally so. Always has been and always will be - there is variety in all things in life and living - including Sex. If you want to truly know why you would have to ask Our Creator - as with anything in life that is good and sacred there is damn good reasons...

Do I? Yes I do. Those that I care about - and them me. Do others that I know do for me? Yes they do. Those that care about me and me them. When you truly care about another Human Being - regardless of their Gender - sex is an important aspect of that caring that is honest and sincere. As with Heterosexual Sex it is completely natural, right and good. No one "uses" me nor do I "use" them.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: ponyboy

John, then why is it that YOU ONLY POST IN THE SEX SECTION!? I think out of 600 posts probably 500 of them are here promoting the latest book or movie that supports you and your lifestyle. If you're trolling for bisexual partners, which we all can only conclude that you are, then go somewhere else.

Back to the farm John Boy, back to the farm.

I don't know why I'm even bothering - no matter how much you say it to a moron like this they won't leave. Best just to block all posts.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponyboy

John, then why is it that YOU ONLY POST IN THE SEX SECTION!? I think out of 600 posts probably 500 of them are here promoting the latest book or movie that supports you and your lifestyle. If you're trolling for bisexual partners, which we all can only conclude that you are, then go somewhere else.

Back to the farm John Boy, back to the farm.

I don't know why I'm even bothering - no matter how much you say it to a moron like this they won't leave. Best just to block all posts.

Pony,

This might come as a shock but I, I - AM A MAN. A Mature Adult Male. I DO have - and HAVE EARNED - the right to speak about anything (I have served honorably in the Military in defense of this country). I WORK and I WORK HARD each and every day to EARN my way in this life for myself and my family...

I'd like to ask you - WHO do you think you are that you can come here and try to tell someone else what they can and can not do? WHO "gave you" that "right" - when did you become "Mr. Big"?

NO ONE forces you - or anyone else - to read anything that is posted. By anyone! Here's the thing: if you do not like what is posted DO NOT READ IT - NO ONE is making you read anything.

When you post, I never tell you that you should not, can not, don't, etc. post. So I have to ask you then: why would you think you can tell me or anyone else what to do or not? And that I or anyone else would actually listen to you?

I know "republicans" generally would like to have all others removed from the face of this earth BUT WE ARE HERE TO STAY. EVEN if you all end up with everything - which seems to be what you are after- ("The hell with everyone else on the face of this earth" "I want it ALL")...

You have some growing up to do. And, BECOME the MAN you would like others to "think" you are...

John H.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

So let's get this straight, because you thought that Spike found your sexual orientation repulsive, you needed to launch is a diatribe to point out that his way is somehow wrong.

To recap:

- You like being gay: OK
- Spike thinking that two guys getting it on is repulsive: not OK

Lastly, don't try to take the copout that being gay is natural.
Technically, being retarded is natural too.

Posted by: ponyboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

My issue is not what you post, I could care less about that. My issue is that you are posting ONLY SEXUAL THREADS on a very obviously non sexual forum. You have received nothing but insults from many people here. If this was obviouslyIamagaymanrepressingmydesires.com I would not be troubled by it.

This forum is not the bisexual book of the month club. If you made posts in ANY OTHER SECTION and provided any sound input to anything then there would be no issue in my mind. The only time I see you post is here in this section. And it is always about things promoting YOUR LIFESTYLE. That is your choice, but to me it doesn't provide anything useful in the slightest. To me you're just as bad as a Jehovah's Witness - you feel that your beliefs are what is right and that's it. And who are "we" anyway? I'm not even an American.

As for who I am - I'm someone who is expressing his opinion, just like you are. I'm sure you have had enough negative feedback to realize that you are simply a troll in most people's minds. Including mine.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

Lastly, don't try to take the copout that being gay is natural.
Technically, being retarded is natural too.

Cfs,

Spike feeling that my Sexual Orientation is "repulsive" IS from his "learning"... "Religion" has a lot to do with this misinformation and outright lying - NOT from FACTS as to its naturalness, rightness, etc.

As to Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual - they ARE EACH VERY MUCH NATURAL. And just as right, good, and proper when each person cares about each other and is not just using them.

Re: Natural: see BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, By Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press).

Re: Past information: see FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press)

Re: Sexuality in all forms: see: SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE, by Dr. Alfred Kinsey (and others) (Sauders Medical Publishing, 1948 and 1953 respectively, each reprinted in 1998 by Indiana University Press)

Re: "...the copout that being gay is natural" - it certainly IS NOT a "copout" it IS a FACT that has ALWAYS EXISTED and ALWAY WILL as with each of the Sexualities.

Re: "Technically being retarded is natural too" - not necessarily so as some are naturally (as born) but not all (and for a number of reasons not all being directly connected with the natural - it very well could be the result of the mother and how the child was cared for prior to birth or even after or not) - and - being retarded has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject of a person's Sexuality AS BORN.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Pony,

I think you are confused. YES, this is IRONMAGAZINE.COM - a Bodybuilding Forum. But IF you LOOK CLOSER you WILL SEE that you have posted and are reading items in the "Sexual Health" section - a place for the discussion of Sexual matters. This section IS PROVIDED for those who want to discuss Sex. So it follows that those things discussed here WILL BE on the subject of Sex. Other sections are provided for other topics and I have posted some on them as well. And will. On the subject of THAT Section.

As for me posting "ONLY SEXUAL THREADS" I have posted in other areas as well and when I get the time I will be doing more of that. I am presently on this section but I do not limit my discussion to only this section.

The "insults" - people get them all the time no matter what they say or not. Even over the simplest of statements. It comes from people who are ignorant - and in some cases even stupid (BY THEIR CHOICE). BEING a better person requires each person to TRY to DO that and learning from ALL sources ALL information ALL the time with an OPEN MIND and OBJECTIVELY, one of the ways a person BECOMES A BETTER PERSON. And in the end that is how this country "becomes better". Or the world for that matter. "Insults" are for those that are immature and childish. And maybe even "scared" of truth. Or find the truth somehow "earth shattering to their sensibilities"...

Your use of the word "moron" says a LOT about you. Thus my reply to your original statement. I try to make what I say CONSTRUCTIVE, NOT DESTRUCTIVE. And ADD to the BETTERMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL. A person's Sexual Orientation IS AS BORN, something that IS VERY NATURAL. The J. W.'s you mention do not agree with this at all - but then they see "visions" all the time too like most "religious" people but as to FACTS they "see little to none" because it is "not convenient to them and their 'beliefs'" (the Mormons "saw visions" too and they believed in multiple partners) ... I DEAL IN FACTS, honest, accurate, complete, thorough, etc. as nearly as is possible for a Human Being to do. Do I make errors, sure, just as does any other Human Being but I sure try my damnest to keep those to a minimum and will acknowledge them when I see them or they are pointed out to me... AND I will correct those mistakes... But you will never see me continue to make the same mistake and put out information that is not true based on accurate fact.

If you want to talk or communicate like a MAN who IS MATURE and WILLING TO LEARN ACCURATELY AND HONESTLY, fine. If you are wanting to "stay in your shell" that is entirely up to you. YOU make your own bed and will sleep in it for the rest of your life. It IS entirely your choice.

As for "American" or not, that does not necessarily make anyone "right" or "wrong".

A "troll" - not at all. But I imagine that if you want to "think" that nothing I say will change your "mind" because that "is your mindset". Like I said before, I am a CONstructive person NOT DEstructive. Which are you? YOUR future hangs in the answer YOU give ...

John H.

Posted by: Pepper

Your insistance that we accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle infringes on my rights. I have the right to find homosexuality wrong and repulsive.

Furthermore, what lying are you refering to? The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Period. YOu need to accept that. I don't say that in a judgemental way, b/c I have plenty of sin in my life.

Christians believe homosexuality is wrong b/c the Bible says so and they have EVERY RIGHT to believe that and you are going to have to come to grips with that. Not everyone is going to accept your lifestyle and they shouldn't be forced to.

Posted by: ponyboy

I don't think anyone should waste their breath anymore. Talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. And a really stupid brick wall at that. Therefore I'm not going to anymore. People like this troll live off of having pointless discussions with people about opinions - not facts. Don't feed the troll. Lesson learned.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Your insistance that we accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle infringes on my rights. I have the right to find homosexuality wrong and repulsive.

Furthermore, what lying are you refering to? The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Period. YOu need to accept that. I don't say that in a judgemental way, b/c I have plenty of sin in my life.

Christians believe homosexuality is wrong b/c the Bible says so and they have EVERY RIGHT to believe that and you are going to have to come to grips with that. Not everyone is going to accept your lifestyle and they shouldn't be forced to.

Hi Pepper,

I could "care less" whether you or anyone else "accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle...". I deal in facts not fantasy. But IT IS NATURAL as is Heterosexual and BiSexual. That IS a FACT. PERIOD. I deal in facts that are accurate. Not "visions"...

The Bible you refer to DOES NOT say ONE WORD about "Homosexuality" UNLESS you are referring to a "translation" that is current (being published today) because the Bible IS being RE-written to "fit" the current aggenda and is using the word "Homosexual" which was NEVER in the original. The word itself was not in use or even "coined" until about 1889 A. D....

God AND Christ THEMSELVES NEVER SAID ONE WORD ABOUT Homosexuality or BiSexuality being wrong. IF they were (those aspects of Sexuality) They WOULD HAVE SAID SO THEMSELVES and MANY TIMES. Christ was on this earth, for example, for 32 years we are told and had PLENTY opportunity to say something on this subject AND HE HIMSELF NEVER DID - NOT ONE TIME! God and Christ DO NOT EVER need someone else to SPEAK FOR THEM - THEY CAN SAY THEMSELVES WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. They NEVER need someone else to speak for Them. Given the desires of some Human Beings to control others for their own personal gain God and Christ WOULD NEVER WANT Human Beings to SPEAK FOR THEM.

The "Bible" - REMEMBER it IS the word of MAN and WAS WRITTEN BY MEN - OVER 250 YEARS AFTER the death of Christ. I do not know about you, but I can have a hard time remembering - like most people - what happened the DAY BEFORE let alone 250 YEARS AFTER something occurred... And when you consider WHERE the "Bible" was "written" (the Middle East) a HOT-BED of anger, hatred, unrest, killing, murder, bigotry, unhappiness, unrest, fighting, etc. over who's "religion" is the "right" "religion" and who's "god" is the "true" "god" - or not - and they have BEEN DOING THIS FOR THEIR ENTIRE EXISTANCE, and when you consider the climate of the area, hot, dry, desert, sand blowing everywhere, unemployment, overpopulation, barreness, etc. and you throw "religion" and "seeing visions" into the equation.... AND you MUST consider that there ARE THOUSANDS of "religions" throughout the world EACH with "their own beliefs" - so who's IS "right" and who's is "wrong" TRUTHFULLY and ACCURATELY? The American Indians probably were closer to any truthfulness. And look what "christians" did to them!

And you bring up a good point about "forcing" because it IS the "forcing" of "christian" views that is happening here upon others based on "their beliefs", "beliefs" which are not accurate, honest, complete... When someone tells me that the "Bible" says (and in this instance IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT) and/or Christ "said" and He CERTAINLY NEVER DID NOT ONE TIME, and God "said" and He NEVER HIMSELF EVER SAID ONE WORD it leaves that "religion" wide open to honest questioning.

You or anyone else is entirely free to "believe" whatever you want. If you want to "believe" that you will have 21 virgins in your heaven after you commit suicide for the benefit of your "beliefs" that is entirely up to you... I on the other hand base my "beliefs" on FACTS that are honest, sincere, complete as possible, accurate, etc. and with an open mind and objectively ALL the time from ALL souces.

One thing more. God/Christ WOULD WANT someone to honestly and accurately and thoroughly QUESTION Them and Their existance - that IS how you - or anyone - TRULY FINE Them.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponyboy

I don't think anyone should waste their breath anymore. Talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. And a really stupid brick wall at that. Therefore I'm not going to anymore. People like this troll live off of having pointless discussions with people about opinions - not facts. Don't feed the troll. Lesson learned.

Pony,

YOU atttacked ME with your use of the word "moron". I made statements of FACT in a DISCUSSION in the "Sexual Health" section of This Board. LIKE A MAN. And because YOU did not agree with what I had to say YOU said I was a "moron" and a "troll" because of what I had to say IN A DISCUSSION.

Like I said to you before, you NEED to DO some growing up. You apparently have a long way to go. And, NOT slamming you as you have chosen to do to me, I RECOMMEND that FOR YOUR BENEFIT. BECOME the MAN you want others to think you are. Then I will believe you have truly learned your "lesson".

John H.

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

So shoot me, the mental picture of one man kissing another repulses me.

Who's asking that you think about that?? U choose to visualize...Thats the problem here, when people think about homosexuality, bisexuality, all they think about is SEX...Isnt there a bit more to it than that, in any type of relationship?

What upsets me is that no one is gonna complain that Im a dyke(Im sure u dont have a problem with that mental picture!!) but when two guys admit to homosexual(bi) thoughts or actions, automotically its disgusting...Go figure!

I embrasse anyone who has the courage to be themselves...THAT takes guts, confidence and self love.KUDOS!

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by cman

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

Sure, but if you eat pussy too, URE BI!

Posted by: trvlr70

John H.,

Oh my God! I just joined IM and I'm already tired of your posts. I think it is great that you are proud of your bisexuality. However, why is it the ONLY thing you ever want to deal with? Don't you have any other personality traits that define you other than your sexuality? Your sexuality is important but not necessarily the only thing that comprises a person. This site is a common ground for people who workout or bodybuild. I could care less about a person's sexual orientation in regards to working out. You appear to be the one that makes it an issue. I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

And Jesus, let's not drag the Bible into this ridiculousness.

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by trvlr70

I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

My goodness thats beautiful!!!!

Except I chage hair color very often!lol

Posted by: trvlr70

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

My goodness thats beautiful!!!!

Except I chage hair color very often!lol

Crazy,

LOL...you're hysterical. I like you!

Posted by: ponyboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by trvlr70

John H.,

Oh my God! I just joined IM and I'm already tired of your posts. I think it is great that you are proud of your bisexuality. However, why is it the ONLY thing you ever want to deal with? Don't you have any other personality traits that define you other than your sexuality? Your sexuality is important but not necessarily the only thing that comprises a person. This site is a common ground for people who workout or bodybuild. I could care less about a person's sexual orientation in regards to working out. You appear to be the one that makes it an issue. I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

And Jesus, let's not drag the Bible into this ridiculousness.

Funny, this was my original point.

However, this troll doesn't seem to know or talk about anything else.

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by trvlr70

Crazy,

LOL...you're hysterical. I like you!

LOL, at least were laughing now...so much bitching on this thread...
The only problem I have with homosexuality is that its gets really expensive to buy all those tampons X 2...

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

"it certainly IS NOT a "copout" it IS a FACT that has ALWAYS EXISTED and ALWAY WILL as with each of the Sexualities. "

Like I said, so is being retarded. An abberation (social, mental, or physical) is a part of nature, but not all abberations are for the best. (See below, genetic dead-ends)

No one taught me that I should be repulsed by the thought of two men getting hot and heavy. I'm pretty much naturally inclined to be repulsed by two men getting it on as I'm repulsed by the thought of playing with feces. That's a natural reaction!

As for homosexuality being natural, consider this: if all the males (or females) in a species decided to be natural and only have "sex" with the same gender, that species would come to an end quickly. That's supposed to be natural?

As for your references, I'm sure that they are all impartial and even...

Posted by: crazy_enough

[QUOTE=cfs3]As for homosexuality being natural, consider this: if all the males (or females) in a species decided to be natural and only have "sex" with the same gender, that species would come to an end quickly. That's supposed to be natural?[QUOTE]

I think what was meant is that homosexuality (as heterosexuality) is naturally "inherited"....You are born this way(I was!)....it is not(for the most part, I do beleive there are exceptions) induced, created or forced upon anyone.

We gotta focus less on the fact that homosexual males fuck each other up the a$$(not all of em do) and mroe on the fact that they are human beings who breathe, live, love and yes, have sex...who doesn't?(I pitty the poor bastards who dont!lol) I dont like the tought of two dogs going at it, but is that all I think about when I see two dogs!!

food for thought!

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Pepper,

The Bible you refer to DOES NOT say ONE WORD about "Homosexuality" UNLESS you are referring to a "translation" that is current (being published today) because the Bible IS being RE-written to "fit" the current aggenda and is using the word "Homosexual" which was NEVER in the original. The word itself was not in use or even "coined" until about 1889 A. D....

This just pure crap, John H., it really is.

Oh and the bit about the word "homosexual" not being used until 1889 is perhaps the lamest arguement I have ever heard. It did give me a chuckle though. I am sure the word "pedophilia" was not used by the Hebrews either...you wanna suggest the Bible is OK with that? Well, in YOUR Bible, it may be approved. Your bible seems to have a few extra books added and some missing.

Posted by: DOMS

I think what was meant is that homosexuality (as heterosexuality) is naturally "inherited"....You are born this way(I was!)....it is not(for the most part, I do beleive there are exceptions) induced, created or forced upon anyone.

We gotta focus less on the fact that homosexual males fuck each other up the a$$(not all of em do) and mroe on the fact that they are human beings who breathe, live, love and yes, have sex...who doesn't?(I pitty the poor bastards who dont!lol) I dont like the tought of two dogs going at it, but is that all I think about when I see two dogs!!

food for thought![/QUOTE]
That's a real even handed response. Good for you!

I'm not saying that homosexuals shouldn't be treated just as well as anyone else, I'm saying that I don't have to like it, I can find it repulsive, and that it's not a step forward in human evolution.

Just to note, I've only heard of one study showing that homosexual preferences are biological in nature. That study was done in San Francisco by a professor from Berkeley.

Where's the droll icon when you need one?

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trvlr70

Hi Trvlr,

Sorry to hear you are tired of my posts. I do speak about other things in other areas - when I have the time to post, it just happens that I am currently in this section (Sexual Health) at this time... My posting about Sexuality in this Section is to share information and have people UNDERSTAND AND DISCUSS intelligently and maturely and as an adult (at least HONESTLY and HOPEFULLY ACCURATELY) about Sexuality in ALL forms including Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality - as well as Asexuality - ALL forms of Sexuality completely natural. Whether you, I, or anyone else agrees or not DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS and it IS the FACTS I am trying to put forth FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL PEOPLE regardless of their Sexual Orientation AS A MEANS OF HONEST UNDERSTANDING about life and living. I - I - DID NOT "create" this world, you have to ask the Creator what He had in mind when He decided that He WANTED variety - variation - IN ALL THINGS which INCLUDES Sexuality. I can tell you though that in my research "RELIGION" has been trying to "sweep under the rug", "forget about it", "ignore it", "damn people", condemn people, postualize a hell of a lot of falsehood about it WITHOUT ANY FACTS and THAT IS VERY WRONG. Anyone that even had a remote interest in this subject was damned by "religion" throughout history because "ONLY (the "hierachy" in "religion") was "allowed" to discuss or research it and "they" would TELL you or I what "we needed to know", "or not" and they certainly have spent a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME DAMNING people, making or causing them misery, etc. over this subject and its practices based on "THEIR" "interpretation" (and make NO MISTAKE that IS what it is - THEIR INTERPRETATION - WITHOUT FACTS that are honest and sincere and complete and accurate research, etc.) ... Anytime science (scientists) have made any effort to try to learn and find out about anything "religion" has always been there to try in some way to refute their findings and damn them as well for the research they have done IF it "did not agree" with "religious teachings".... Scientists FORTUNATELY are beginning to DO the research that IS NEEDED to FIND answers that are accurate and complete and honest and let the "chips fall where they may" and "religion" is "NOT happy" about that research BECAUSE it lays bare the falsehood "religion" has relied on for centuries to justify their existance and their "teachings"...

I AM AFTER COMPLETE AND TOTAL AND ACCURATE HONESTY in ALL areas. I consider ALL information, ALL the time, from ALL sides of a subject WITH AN OPEN MIND AND OBJECTIVELY. I ASK QUESTIONS and I SEEK ANSWERS that have that in mind. I AM an adult and I have a RIGHT to KNOW what I am wanting to know INDEPENDENTLY of any bigotry, etc. that some may create to try to discredit... God gave me a brain which I believe He INTENDED I utilize to the very best of my ability and I certainly try to that end. Sex and Sexuality is just ONE area of my interests WHICH ARE MANY.

The ONLY WAY to TRULY LEARN is OBJECTIVELY with a completely OPEN MIND considering ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time... The sum that search which can be lifelong is where ANYONE achieves the best information they can get... To do otherwise in any other form is WRONG, and certainly NOT getting to the TRUTH. God Himself would want EACH of us to search for Him the same way - that IS how we find Him! By QUESTIONING everything and everyone INCLUDING God (or Whoever you perceive Him to be) ....

I do not know if you noticed but you are in the "Sexual Health" section of www.ironmagazine.com, a forum provided to DISCUSS all matters relating to Sex - AND there ARE other sections devoted to each topic therein and I have made replys and made posts on other areas as well and I will be as time permits. I just happen to be currently in this section for now...

I could not AGREE with you more when you say you will be glad when a person's Sexual Orientation will be about as significant as the color of your (meaning anyone's) hair - I wish that WERE the case and I can tell you IT CERTAINLY should be that way - you can thank "religion" for the mess we all are in with regard to Sexuality because it IS they that are at the bottom of ALL OUR IGNORANCE and "the control" they wish to weld over all of us in that area.... It is not me who wants to drag the Bible into this but IT IS "religion" and what they "say" the "Bible says" that IS AT THE HEART of this misinformation and outright lying... I DEAL IN FACTS ONLY. Things that can be PROVEN.... And Ideals are nice, but remember the definition of the word "Ideals" ...

REAL peace in this world can certainly be achieved THROUGH honest, accurate, complete, sincere, etc. learning and knowledge IN ALL AREAS because it dispells ignorance and fear and promotes HONEST UNDERSTANDING.

So I ask you - or anyone else - honestly interested IN ANY subject - to CONTRIBUTE to the DISCUSSION for the BENEFIT OF ALL people. To help make this a much better world.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

My goodness thats beautiful!!!!

Except I chage hair color very often!lol

Hi Crazy,

Think about this too - there WOULD BE people who would "damn" others EVEN over this subject - the color of their hair (and probably would find some way to find a "religious" basis for that damning...)

There is always someone somewhere wanting to damn someone else for something... (Probably because they themselves are not very happy in THEIR life and in THEIR living and are jealous of others who DO find happiness in life and in living...)

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Funny, this was my original point.

However, this troll doesn't seem to know or talk about anything else.

Pony,

Please read CAREFULLY what have I say anywhere (in any section for example).. . WHO a person IS, IS AS BORN and certainly I could care less if a person is Heterosexual, BiSexual, or Homosexual - I DID NOT "create" them GOD DID and HE knows "the why" with regard to ANYTHING but He sure likes variety - variation - IN ALL THINGS!!! We ALL do have an obligation to UNDERSTAND about all things in life.... Bigotry cames about because of ignorance - and even stupidity and fear of the "unknown" - to change that LEARN HONESTLY AND ACCURATELY ABOUT ALL THINGS ALL THE TIME WITH AN OPEN MIND OBJECTIVELY...

LOOK AROUND YOU - IT IS EVERYWHERE IN EVERYTHING!!! (Variety) WHY would you - or anyone else - think differently when it is SO OBVIOUS it - variety - IS IN ALL THINGS - INCLUDING Sex. LEARN HONESTLY and you will be less fearful and become more knowledgable and happier in life and in living..

As of course you will still be WHO you REALLY ARE.... BE HONEST with YOURSELF first and foremost...

Take care,
John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

Cfs,

In order to understand what I have said you have to read carefully and think. Go back and re-read what I said CAREFULLY and THINK ABOUT IT.

Also, consider this HONESTLY with yourself - HOW did you "learn" your personal "thoughts" about Sexuality (in all areas) - you will find, if you really think hard about it, that you learned a lot of what OTHERS TOLD YOU - BUT DID you find out the accurate FACTS for yourself? Most people do tend to just "swallow" what someone else "tells" them without checking it out for themselves...

And AGAIN, being retarded is NOT ALWAYS something that "is natural"... How a mother bears her children can have a hell of a lot to do with the outcome of the health of that child including mentally. Sure there are some who may be retarded mentally naturally but if we really research the subject completely and accurately you will find there is a lot that IS UNNATURAL that causes people becoming or to be retarded... Also, being retarded as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH a person's Sexuality which is what I was discussing... Just as murder, rape, incest, etc. DOES NOT have anything to do with a person's Sexuality AS BORN necessarily. ALL classes or orientations of people are guilty of these things INCLUDING those that are Heterosexual... To say that ONLY BiSexual or Homosexual people are rapists, murders, etc. IS TOTALLY INACCURATE - sure there are some who are - AND there are SOME Heterosexual people WHO ARE as well....

Re: playing with feces - hell I know what it is and I understand its function in life and I certainly am not at all interested in doing that (playing with feces) but I am still a BiSexual Man...

I think it is really interesting that most Men absolutely LOVE two females having sex with each other... I hear it all the time! They seem to really get turned on about the subject...

Any Man that masturbates himself could certainly be considered a BiSexual Man because HE IS having Sex with a Man even if that Man happens to be one and the same HE STILL IS HAVING SEX WITH A MAN. You could even stretch it further and say he is Homosexual if he ONLY has Sex with Men evens if that Man happens to be one and the same... You could also say that of Woman as well under the same circumstances. And be just as accurate.

Are you aware of variety - variation? In ALL THINGS? That IS a part of life and living....

Any references I cite are SOME of what is available for all to do their own research. Anytime individuals do research it will have their personality and their findings included in what they have to say. True Scientists work damn hard to BE very objective and complete and accurate in what they do and publish. Dr. Alfred Kinsey was that type of Scientist. He WANTED HONEST ACCURATE INFORMATION PERIOD. And there certainly are others as well.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

[QUOTE=crazy_enough][QUOTE=cfs3]As for homosexuality being natural, consider this: if all the males (or females) in a species decided to be natural and only have "sex" with the same gender, that species would come to an end quickly. That's supposed to be natural?

Quote:

I think what was meant is that homosexuality (as heterosexuality) is naturally "inherited"....You are born this way(I was!)....it is not(for the most part, I do beleive there are exceptions) induced, created or forced upon anyone.

We gotta focus less on the fact that homosexual males fuck each other up the a$$(not all of em do) and mroe on the fact that they are human beings who breathe, live, love and yes, have sex...who doesn't?(I pitty the poor bastards who dont!lol) I dont like the tought of two dogs going at it, but is that all I think about when I see two dogs!!

food for thought!

Hi Crazy,

There are NO two leaves the same on ANY tree. That IS phenomenal!!! And so with all things in life. Most are not aware there is variety in all things and it IS all around them ALL the time..

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Hi Pepper,

Well at least you are laughing... BUT,

I stand completely by what I said BECAUSE WHAT I SAID IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE! Check it out for yourself and see.

And as for Sodom, etc. - IT WAS ABOUT the LACK OF HOSPITALITY towards others that was being talked about ...

Consider this also (I am not sure if I said this to you before) - the Bible WAS WRITTEN by OVER 40 different Men each with their own thoughts over a long period of time at least 250 YEARS AFTER the death of Christ. I'd love to get all of those that wrote into one room and have a discussion with all of them all at the same time and even hear what each of them had to say to each other about whatever - I can GUARANTEE YOU they would NOT AGREE on much!!! Try it on the street you live on - get your neighbors together and bring up a subject and see how each WILL disagree on whatever... Now throw the "Bible" into the equation!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: Newt

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE1257

Don't put words in my mouth, I don't find you or anyone gay repulsive.. it is the act itself (2 men being intimate) I can't relate to..

It sounds like words aren't all he wants to put in your mouth!

Posted by: DOMS

Posted by: Souped_up

I am 100 percent straight - HONESTLY. I think sexuality CAN BE CHANGED. Its a result of environment. WE don't wake up one day and decide our sexuality. It is a result of many things in our life usually starting in childhood.

Take Care, Souped_up

Posted by: crazy_enough

Geez souped, u gonna get tendenitis(is that how its spelled?) from posting today!!!

Im glad u added that little comment under your name...I was gonna say that myself with all the CAPS and all...lol

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

Geez souped, u gonna get tendenitis(is that how its spelled?) from posting today!!!

Im glad u added that little comment under your name...I was gonna say that myself with all the CAPS and all...lol

Hi Crazy_enough,

Me and John H. go way back. I knew him from when he posted on bb.com back in early 2003- ASK HIM. He is the REAL DEAL. I enjoy posting like this on this forum because I can't on his old bb.com forum because id probably get banned for typing like this, although Im going to start there soon since I got a 3day ban there anyways

. They thought he was a troll at bb.com. It was the moderator raprazant that banned him. He is a idiot and loser and he should have been banned not John H. Oh and im not as nice as John H. either.

Take Care, Souped_up

Posted by: gococksDJS

Come on guys, that is an exit only hole.

Posted by: njc

seems to be an unproportionate amount of gayness here. Judging by the poll. i mean compared to regular society.

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by njc

seems to be an unproportionate amount of gayness here. Judging by the poll. i mean compared to regular society.

not really as 10% of the population is supposedly homosexual(1 in 10)...were barely at 9%!

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

not really as 10% of the population is supposedly homosexual(1 in 10)...were barely at 9%!

Hi Crazy,

Give it time because there are different people everywhere and with everything. It's the variation (variety) that exists in all things in life and living. They just haven't "spoken up" yet...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: Vieope

I heard you are bisexual John H. Do you think more about men or women? Are you more kind of gay or more kind of heterosexual?

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

If I had a dollar for every time you posted "variation (variety)", as if the only person who knows what that means is you, I would be undercutting Bill Gates and buying Microsoft....

Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Man you sound like the leader of some unspoken revolution where at your signal, millions will come out of the closet.

Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Man you sound like the leader of some unspoken revolution where at your signal, millions will come out of the closet.

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Man you sound like the leader of some unspoken revolution where at your signal, millions will come out of the closet.

Hi blowDJscocks,

ABSOLUTELY buddy! I laughed DAMN hard, but IS the TRUTH, FOR SURE!! I suppose you have been "converted". Keep in contact if you want....

Take Care, Souped_up

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Hi blowDJscocks,

ABSOLUTELY buddy! I laughed DAMN hard, but IS the TRUTH, FOR SURE!! I suppose you have been "converted". Keep in contact if you want....

Take Care, Souped_up

OOOPS, souped, did u go back to being John H. by mistake??? Darn multiple personalities...I bet they can be a hassle!

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Hi blowDJscocks,

ABSOLUTELY buddy! I laughed DAMN hard, but IS the TRUTH, FOR SURE!! I suppose you have been "converted". Keep in contact if you want....

Take Care, Souped_up

"Unnecessary use of capitalized words to make a POINT, on Souped_up, 15 yard penalty, ejection from the game, automatic FIRST DOWN!!!!!!!!!!......"

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

OOOPS, souped, did u go back to being John H. by mistake??? Darn multiple personalities...I bet they can be a hassle!

Hi crazyduff,

I made NO MISTAKE. No multiple personalities here. I don't know what your "implying", but I AM ME in EVERY way. I AM a MAN in the TRUEST sense - TRUTHFULLY! I am not a "queen" like John H. My Heterosexuality IS a GIFT from GOD - TOTALLY! I do not give or receive LOADS from anyone except females - My wife who I TRULY CARE for - I do not just have sex with ANYONE ONLY those I TRULY CARE for and LOVE. If you are not Heterosexual that is OK - all VARIATIONS are seen in Nature - it is ALL Natural. TDGC, Souped_up

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

This guy is pretty funny.

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

This guy is pretty funny.

Hi du,

Ill take that as a compliment Buddy. I certainly hope your keeping up with the gym and working hard to get that PURE MUSCLE. It is what makes a MAN a MAN in the TRUEST SENSE. Make sure you talk to your muscles in the gym when working them out. They need "attention" too - HONESTLY. PURE MUSCLE ALWAYS has a way of "rewarding" you for good work. People will look up to you for your PURE MUSCLE. TOTAL HEALTH is a result to those who work DAMN hard for PURE MUSCLE. Everyone around you will appreciate you for it too. It will reward those you TRULY CARE about with ENDLESS loads. Use your loads "wisely" you don't want to give them to just ANYONE - they are a GIFT to those you CARE about. TDGC, Souped_up

Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Im kewl with whoever u are Souped_up...But stop the dislexia thing with people's names!!

lol

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

Im kewl with whoever u are Souped_up...But stop the dislexia thing with people's names!!

lol

Hi crazy,

Ok Buddy( girls can be buddies too right?). I think you KNOW about LIFE AND LIVING. Ive seen your posts. You have tried things just to experience them EVEN when you didn't like it. It is good to hear others give a DAMN about LIFE AND LIVING. So many people just want to "get by" in life. You don't EXPERIENCE life and all the VARIATION until you have seen it from ALL PERSPECTIVES and EXPERIMENTED rightly so. Keep in touch......

Take Damn Good Care, Souped_up

Posted by: bio-chem

well crazy enough i think we can finally agree on something. souped up = John H. maybe one personality doesnt know about the other one. he keeps himself hidden from his other half or something like that. i mean there is just too much similar. isnt there?

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

OK that reply makes it too obvious. You are a joke.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Hey Souped_up, you write way too much like John H.

You make sure people understand what you are saying by making the words stick out (capitalizing) so that you can emphasize your views, however you emphasize the same words that John H. does. How come John H. has almost disappeared from here since you got here? Is he afraid of you? No joking here, but are you maybe an alter ego or something? The only thing that you have surprised me with is that you haven't brought up religion as being the cause of all evil. Once you do, you need to step out and say hi as John H....
Come clean, you are who you are and remember, bisexuality is NATURAL as it comes from NATURE, also I am very OPEN to VARIANCE (VARIETY) in things other than my sexuality. I am not planning to experience anything different than my wife (WOMAN), but you are welcome to do as you please. I applaud the fact that you are who you are and that you are happy with yourself. Gayness, bisexuality is not a disease, but to quote from American Pie: "It's a natural, normal thing", for those who have that type of lifestyle. It doesn't bother me at all...
However, if you are in fact, not John H, then you need to stop reading his posts or, you are here to make fun of him by writing like him...You let me know what's up bud....I also hope that you catch the fact that what I am writing here is not meant as an insult, just making light of the situation a bit....

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vieope

I heard you are bisexual John H. Do you think more about men or women? Are you more kind of gay or more kind of heterosexual?

Hi Vieope,

I just like people - Men and Women equally. As for "thinking about it" it is not at all a "conscious" thing except if I see a person I like I think about them just as anyone else would. If I like a person I do as does anyone else.

I do not "rule out" anyone in life and living, to me that is pure "bull" to do so JUST BECAUSE of a person's gender. If you like someone why not? Now if you are speaking of procreation only then of course you would need a female - but I NEVER just use people as so many seem to do. And those that know me personally KNOW that for sure!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

If I had a dollar for every time you posted "variation (variety)", as if the only person who knows what that means is you, I would be undercutting Bill Gates and buying Microsoft....

Hi Fantasma,

I make that statement because it sure seems as if there are many who actually do not know at all about variety in life (variation) in all things. You see evidence of that in many people's posts. If they really UNDERSTOOD about variety they wouldn't make the statements they make...

I wish I did not have to say it - it SHOULD BE something everyone KNOWS - it is ALL AROUND everyone of us and should be obvious - and UNDERSTOOD.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Man you sound like the leader of some unspoken revolution where at your signal, millions will come out of the closet.

Hi Gococks,

You mentioned you are going to college. I hope when you attend you GET an education you are there to earn - one that is all encompassing. If you don't you will be cheating not only everyone else that depends on you KNOWING what you are supposed to know in your chosen profession but you will be cheating yourself.

Partying is ok to a certain degree but it is NOT why a person is supposed to go to college....

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Hi blowDJscocks,

ABSOLUTELY buddy! I laughed DAMN hard, but IS the TRUTH, FOR SURE!! I suppose you have been "converted". Keep in contact if you want....

Take Care, Souped_up

Hi Souped,

Do you know ChaosJester?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

John, your main problem here is that you are generalizing and also are putting yourself above everyone else here by emphasizing words that, unless you don't read a paper, many of us understand. In fact, I feel as if you think that you have superior intellect than many here and that you try to insult my intellect and intelligence by posting what you post. A large number here know and understand variety and variation. In fact, as I understand it, variation is what gives you choices to make. If there was no variation there wouldn't be choice and thus civilization would not be able to reason. The fact that a person reasons is because there are choices on what to think of, otherwise we'd be robots and wait for someone to program us and tell us what to do....
That's my explanation on why variation is a necessity in life. Now do me a favor and stop trying to make yourself sound superior, it bothers the hell out of me and others who have a high enough intellect to recognize bullshit and facts......

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Fantasma,

You could not be more wrong. I never said nor did I ever imply any "superiority"... I think you are trying to read something into what I have said that is not there. And to have others believe you yourself are "superior". I state facts not fiction.

John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

John H. hold up there big guy. you state opinion not facts. ive yet to read one fact from any of your posts on any thread. the reason for this is the type of threads you post in. your not posting in the "is glutamine better taken on an empty stomach threads?" which has an answer. your spending all of your time on the "whats your sexual orientation threads?" this is opinion when you start sharing your views not fact.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

No John, you are wrong. I have been a member of this community for over 5 months and nobody here can say that I write or say anything that makes me show off any superiority. I am no better than anyone here or no worse. I do, however, greatly dislike it when people try to push an agenda to, as I have said before, a bunch of people who can't possibly give a crap.

I am not reading into anything. What you write is pretty superficial. Not much thought needs to be put to read your posts. It is very simple to see that you are a peddler. You have your thoughts and opinions and, as you have a right to, you say them loudly. What bothers me is that you simply do not accept anyone else's opinions and that you believe that yours are "gospel" or fact. Why do I say that? Because you repeat it over and over. In fact, every time someone posts a different opinion from yours, you attack his/her opinions by bombarding them with "facts", because you are right and others are wrong, thus, your superiority complex.
I don't accept your opinions as facts. I accept them as your opinion. Oh, and please don't try to quote books that prove your opinions as facts, because for every book that backs whatever you have to say, I can find you three that can do the contrary. Do I have time to find them? of course, and you know that.
I think I have said enough in this subject, I'll leave you to your preaching....

Later John......

Posted by: thatguy

Well said...

Posted by: david

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

wonder why John H. is so interested in everyone's sexual orientation?

He could be taking a "Pole...er.. poll"

Posted by: maniclion

Mine points south by southwest in the morning due to the position of my bed and the morning woody. My girl is japanese so it gets Oriental often. My first orientation was around 3 hen I noticed that little pecker tangling down there.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by david

He could be taking a "Pole...er.. poll"

Hey Dave, what's going on man....I hope all is going well....

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Souped,

Do you know ChaosJester?

Take Care, John H.

Hi John H.

Yes I remember him. Im the only one that believed in you at bb.com after all this time - HONESTLY- remember how I would always find you on other forums and send you pm's. What are YOU getting at?

Take Care, Souped_up

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

John H. hold up there big guy. you state opinion not facts. ive yet to read one fact from any of your posts on any thread. the reason for this is the type of threads you post in. your not posting in the "is glutamine better taken on an empty stomach threads?" which has an answer. your spending all of your time on the "whats your sexual orientation threads?" this is opinion when you start sharing your views not fact.

Hi Bio,

I do not think I am so "big" actually. I am 6'2" and weigh 190 lbs., waist 30" - I have very little bodyfat and what I have is all muscle (the latter I am told by those that know me personally - I am never necessarily satisfied and always want to do more to be better myself) . I do not want to be "huge" though, I am very happy to be around 200 lbs because for me that is ideal for my height I think - I do not like for myself to be "monsterous" so-to-speak just BUILT PERFECTLY is all ...

Glutamine? Now that is a subject science has paid much attention to and we all know the results of using that so there is not too much to talk about there really. And that subject is not nearly as involved as is a person's sexuality which has a lot of issues from a lot of areas and has a hell of a lot more to it... When I get time I do post in other areas - certainly I read other areas too.

Did you read the post I made about Muscle that is GUARANTEED? That anyone who works out sincerely, with knowledge and purpose and concentration, gets the proper amount of rest and the proper nutrition and stays focused WILL GET what they are after GUARANTEED? That IS TRUE ABSOLUTELY! Anything that is worthwhile may take more effort but the end result IS WORTH IT BIGTIME!!! AND GUARANTEED!!! YOU (meaning anyone CAN BE THE VERY BEST you CAN BE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO!)...

Let me ask you: how many books on Sexuality (from all aspects) have you read? How much research into Sexuality have you actually done FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES WITH AN OPEN MIND OBJECTIVELY? I have listed SOME books which I have utilized in that regard and certainly there are many more. My statements are based on facts actually - SOMETIMES my feelings based on the facts I have gained and what I observe in all things in life as well. I keep my eyes open all the time on all subjects. Even things I have no real interest in myself - it is very handy because I find later on how much it helps to do this.

Let me tell you something I was just told the other day by someone I know that doesn't say a whole lot about anything usually. He came up to me and said: " I do not understand why people say to you that you do not believe in God - I have NEVER heard you say that. I have heard you say many times you have very little use for religion as it is man-made but I have never heard you say one time you do not believe in God". My answer to him: "That's right", "I DO believe in God but NOT religion because there are so many each with their variations in beliefs mostly based on absolutely no truth at all and certainly the money and the power they possess or wish to have is what most are all about". He told me he has heard many speak to me as if I have said I do NOT believe in God and I NEVER said that ONE TIME EVER. I told him I never have said I DO NOT because I DO believe in God. He said he noticed how few people actually LISTEN to what it IS I DO SAY that most just ONLY LISTEN to what they want to hear and nothing more. I told him I realized people usually do that. People do need to hone their listening skills.

All of us have opinions. Even me. But I base what I say on the best information available from ALL sources ALL the time - with a completely open mind - OBJECTIVELY.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: thatguy

In another thread you mentioned having children. Do you have children?

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Hi Fantasma,

You would not hear ONE WORD from me if people (in general) HAD an open mind and DID their research OBJECTIVELY and considered ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time. What they say proves they do NOT do that IF at all. I AM NOT PERFECT AND NEVER SAID IT WAS NOR DO I FEEL I AM AT ALL "SUPERIOR" in any way. If I say something I say it based on facts - and certainly opinions as well based on facts garnered over time - that IS how people learn truthfully. Most people just "accept" what they are told and very few DO their own homework or "check it out" for themselves. Most people are just "followers" and somewhere in their life and living loose their individuality as a human being they were born with by abdicating it to others "because it is easier"... NOT ME. EVER.

You speak of "pushing an aggenda". I see that ALL THE TIME from "RELIGION" and from people who understand very little about the facts of Sexuality AS THEY ARE AND IN NATURE AND THE NATURAL WORLD of which ALL human beings ARE a part whether they like it or not, accept it or not, understand it or not.

Here's the thing: it takes the desire to learn to LEARN but it also takes an open mind that is objective and one that considers ALL information... To do anything else is NOT the way to find truth and accuracy on any subject.

I can read in your statements to me your willingness to close your mind to all things other than those you "accept" only. By doing this you LIMIT yourself and your education and your very life and living.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Hi Souped.

I remember.

You are saying to others that a person's Sexuality IS CHOSEN. I am disagreeing with you totally on that. And to prove that I am asking you if you really think that is true to change your sexuality as it is now and try something else and let me know how you did that and what your findings are. See what I am saying?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maniclion

Mine points south by southwest in the morning due to the position of my bed and the morning woody. My girl is japanese so it gets Oriental often. My first orientation was around 3 hen I noticed that little pecker tangling down there.

Hi Maniclion,

As long as YOU are happy.... That is what matters....

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy

In another thread you mentioned having children. Do you have children?

Hi Thatguy,

(By way of explanation: I usually just use a shortened version of a person's name when I respond to them because it kinda saves a little time. I looked at how I replied to you on one of my posts to you addressing you as "That" unstead of "Thatguy" - I APOLOGIZE because I was NOT trying to refer to you as just "That". I PISSED myself off for not seeing that right away... I AM SORRY for the fu*kup!!!!!)

I missed you question to me I guess about my having children. Yes I do. And I LOVE THEM IMMEASUREABLY. I want them to be very happy and healthy and wise, do their own thing and be who Nature intended them to be. I encourage them to do for themselves and be independent. To BE individuals and not always "just accept things" necessarily... I help them when honest help is needed and I give them the space they need too to be the person they will ultimately become. I want them to question everything to learn honestly, to be varied in their interests... Children ARE SACRED!!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

John, I don't mind hearing from you. You are articulate and enjoyable to read.
I am not close minded, I read, as you do. Why do I have to open up to the things that you are open to? Do you see what I am getting at? I have my lifestyle, I read my books, and I am open to all types of things. Do I have to experiment like you to be open? No.....I am open to your bisexuality because God knows that you have let everyone know. But I am not open to the fact that I should read about it, I should experience it and I should let YOU teach me what I should or not open my mind to.
If anyone here knows me, they know well that I am not close minded and I am as open minded to the different sexual lifestyles as the rest, but don't tell me that I have to educate myself in a lifestyle that I don't care for.
Just because I don't buy your rhetoric, doesn't mean that I am close minded, it just further demonstrates that you think you are right and everyone else is wrong based on your "facts". No matter what rebuttal someone gives you, you come up with the same. That we are close minded.
Think about it.....

Later....

Tony

Posted by: thatguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

No problem on the name thing, by the way.

So, are they adopted, or were you married at one time? Or are you still married? I think maybe we'd understand you better if you explained that a little bit.

(BTW, I realize this is kinda personal and you certainly don't have to answer.)

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi John.

It IS chosen. I do not want to try homosexual relationships because at first I will find it disgusting, I didn't say sexuality was EASILY changed but CHANGED NEVERTHELESS IF YOU WANT IT TOO. Most don't want to change. I have no reason to want to try and like men. THe bible condemns it and I think its perfectly NATURAL to like a women. It compliments me. Liking men in that way would be a headache and not fit biology.

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

You couldn't be huge even if you wanted to since you owuld never do steroids and I don't think you know anything about training or dieting properly at least ive never heard you say anything that makes me even think you know shit all about bodybuilding.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souped_up

Ok, so maybe you are not John after all. This is the first time that you don't sound like him in a post....

Posted by: Souped_up

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Ok, so maybe you are not John after all. This is the first time that you don't sound like him in a post....

Hi myfantasy,

Read some of my posts outside of this section. I certainly don't always write like this.

Take Care, Souped_up

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Hi Tony,

Having an open mind does not mean you "accept" everything. I was not implying that just because you (meaning anyone here) have an open mind you must just "accept". Truly learning a person considers ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time. Learning is lifelong and no one is "perfect" or "knows it all"... They will still develop their "feelings" based on that hopefully and because each of us is an individual we will do that "individually".... And throughout our lives - epecially when we learn something new we did not previously know - we can and may change our thinking on "whatever" because of that new information we were not aware of before...

Each person needs to BE who they are truthfully. As born. That is a mark of a person's individuality. When you (meaning anyone here) "sell yourself" you end up giving up a part of who you really are.... Especially when you speak of an individual's "basics"...

I never ask others to "change" who they are - that is impossible. Now I am not saying that if a person is lazy they can not change and become helpful to themselves and others....

UNDERSTANDING - UNDERSTANDING - is a part of learning honestly. And completely. It is a part of the "whole" in learning. That does not mean also that a person "just accepts"...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hey John,

As I said earlier, no matter what I say, no matter what my opinion may be, you will always spin it so that you are teaching people.
Listen, you win. That's it. I am going to repeat the same thing, and then you'll repeat the same thing, then I'll say, then you'll say and we'll get nowhere.
My opinion to you is wrong, therefore you are right and thus are declared the champion. I bow out...

Adios....

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Hi Tony,

I DO understand what you are saying. Please re-read what I said to you carefully. Everyone is entitled to think or believe how they feel best - all I was saying is that I hope that will be based on the best and most complete and accurate information available (now and in the future - learning is lifelong) and that it be viewed with an open mind - objectively. Everyone has to be comfortable with how they live. Many have beliefs that are not based on anything more than what someone else TELLS them to believe or not and do not DO their own "homework" to find accuracy, honesty, completeness, etc. themselves, they are just "followers" so-to-speak...

I consider everything because there are many aspects to every subject and I do that as best as I can objectively.

My original posting of this thread was asking a simple question. You can see how it has come to be more then that by viewing the responses. All I did was ask a simple (basically "yes" or "no"-type question). My responses are made to those who have made comments to me in this regard. Their responses are based on their learning and perhaps also their "religious beliefs". Something most do not realize is that IN NATURE AND THE NATURAL WORLD Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality DO EXIST and ALWAYS HAVE. And they try to separate themselves as human beings from Nature and the Natural World as if they are NOT a part of that WHEN IN FACT THEY MOST CERTAINLY ARE. So any reasonable objective person can then ask this being true how can someone say then that these forms of Sexuality (other than Heterosexuality) are "UNnatural" somehow? They ARE natural because they DO exist NATURALLY. So how is it then that they can say these are "wrong" and base that on FACT? The facts do not back them up at all. Evidence is around all of us all the time as to the naturalness...

Mathematically, 1+1=2 and that is fine in, say business, but in nature there are a lot of variables in all things INCLUDING SEXUALITY. That IS how IT IS whether you, I, or anyone else accept that, agree with that, etc.

If a person is as born Heterosexual, that is fine. They are. Same as the color of your (meaning anyone here) skin. If a person is as born BiSexual or Homosexual, that is fine. Each IS A VARIATION naturally so. As with trees, there are no two leaves exactly the same so why would Sexuality of a person be any different - it is NOT.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

John, ive been re-reading a lot of your threads and i noticed a pattern. a lot of your replies start off with something like "thats not what i said, please re-read my last post" If this only happened a few times by a few people then i would say its their fault, but because i see a pattern im led to believe your not very good at getting your point across. whats more important? what your saying and meaning or how your percieved in what your saying and meaning? the truth is john its how your percieved. your coming across as close minded and radicle in your views. whether thats what you want or not is debatable but your deffinitly not getting people to be more accepting and open minded about your views. the truth is your hurting your position. think of it like this, if your percieved as a jack ass then your a jack ass. even if thats not your intentions. it seems you have an agenda of acceptance, but your pushing people away more than your getting them to openly look at your views. the truth is i feel sorry for people like crazy enough who is trying to get people to be more accepting of your lifestyle in a way people can respect, regardless of whether they accept what she says. John your more of a liability to your cause than you are an ally. Keep pushing your agenda though, because it only makes the radicle religious right seem more mainstream.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

John, ive been re-reading a lot of your threads and i noticed a pattern. a lot of your replies start off with something like "thats not what i said, please re-read my last post" If this only happened a few times by a few people then i would say its their fault, but because i see a pattern im led to believe your not very good at getting your point across. whats more important? what your saying and meaning or how your percieved in what your saying and meaning? the truth is john its how your percieved. your coming across as close minded and radicle in your views. whether thats what you want or not is debatable but your deffinitly not getting people to be more accepting and open minded about your views. the truth is your hurting your position. think of it like this, if your percieved as a jack ass then your a jack ass. even if thats not your intentions. it seems you have an agenda of acceptance, but your pushing people away more than your getting them to openly look at your views. the truth is i feel sorry for people like crazy enough who is trying to get people to be more accepting of your lifestyle in a way people can respect, regardless of whether they accept what she says. John your more of a liability to your cause than you are an ally. Keep pushing your agenda though, because it only makes the radicle religious right seem more mainstream.

Hi Bio-chem,

Every day I live another day I find more people who are actually very closed-minded and UNwilling to look at anything from ALL perspectives.

What you or anyone else ultimately think about any subject is entirely up to you. It is not my intention to "be accepted" on the "surface" like so many in life seem to strive to do loosing their individuality and who they really are - it is surprising how many abdicate themselves to make others "happy" while they themselves are very unhappy truthfully speaking. I do not lie to others and I certainly do not lie to myself - to thy own self be true...

All I can do it put forth information which I hope is from many perspectives - what others do with that information falls on them. As for the "religious right" I have absolutely no respect for them because they are just "followers" and are very willing to accept anything someone tells them - which is fine for them if that makes them "happy" but it is when they force their beliefs on others I have a real problem because those beliefs are NOT based on how life actually is or even intended to be.

You say I am "pushing". I am merely making statements of fact as they are - how someone sees what I say - IF they see what I am saying - is entirely up to them, if they have an open mind they will be willing to discuss freely back and forth as a way of each UNDERSTANDING - NOT necessarily "accepting" as that is something each of us do individually however I certainly hope people will do that with a completely open mind and objectively - they will continue to form THEIR "feelings" on whatever hopefully utilizing to the best of their ability the brain God gave each of us and not just be a person who just swallows anything because it "is the thing to do and everyone else is doing it"...

I do not have as my intention to have everyone "accept" what I say necessarily - THEY can and should check what I say out for themselves for its validity. I do not make statements lightly.

In life real friends are few and far between. I see "society" in general (the population) as mostly people who lean on others and use others for their own personal gain.

I completely understand anyone's desire to have answers to the most important questions of life and living. To have things they can believe in - but I choose to believe in things that are - NOT something made up as with so many religions to somehow fill a void thus causing the followers to "feel better" about "things" even though there may not be a shred of truth to any of it. I see the evidence of God all around me every day. My eyes are wide open. I am not blind nor am I blinded by others.

In relations I have with others (from all perspectives) I am very truthful and sincere. I NEVER use other people which most ARE GUILITY of doing and on a daily basis.

You mention "a pattern" you feel I make with regard to having others re-read what I said. I make that statement because I can see it is obvious they did not actually read and understand what I said even though it is plain to see what it is I actually said. People all the time read INTO what others say to fit their own personal thinking NOT really seeing what IS being said accurately.

You seem to be worried that I might be viewed as a "jackass". I actually think of those that think that way as a compliment to me - they did not willingly even make a small effort to see what it IS I actually said, they just put their hatred and their bigotry in front of their eyes because that is how they have learned to see all things.

I am not "setting myself up" as a "perfect person" or someone "who knows it all", far from that! - I am by my estimation far from that because I know my limitations honestly and because I understand that no one is perfect certainly not I. I am learning everyday just as I hope others are but the evidence of that shows many "don't even get off the couch"... One thing I have learned: people LOVE to hate - something, someone, etc. - because they then feel better about themselves somehow especially if they think they have made someone else more miserable then they themselves are - it then makes them happpy.

You say I am pushing people away - perhaps that is what they want because they do not like it when someone tells them what is true. Maybe you feel I lack tact in my approach to what I say and that then rubs people the wrong way. I am not out to intentionally cause anyone any discomfort. Let me ask you: how do you present the truth to others (the facts) other than just presenting them as they are actually? Without any personal "bent" on it, sterile presentation - JUST the facts not sugar-coated? I find people like "believing" the truthfulness of what they "believe" in the accurate truth never really matters because they are so worried about "being accepted by others"...

You say I come across as radical in my views: how so? Because I say what is actually truthful and accurate? While many do bend the truth to fit their own I just present them as they are and now I am radical for having done so? I know it is the "accepted thing" today to lie about anything. I have trouble lying to others because I learned very early on I am not good at it in the first place and I do not like myself if I do that and it is hard to remember after awhile what you say and try to keep it all straight... So I do not lie. I do not like lying, it is a giving up of oneself.

You mention the radical religious right. I can see that in this country if they continue as they are and gain the power so many seem to allow them to have just to "somehow shut them up", Iraq and that whole region will be transferred to the USA because those people in that part of the world have allowed religious believing to destroy everything and everyone there - they have never gotten along with themselves and never will - it is they who ARE radical. They fight each other all the time over control over each other and use "religion" and Allah to do that. I want NO part of any of that insanity!!!

I always welcome your honesty and openness. Being accurate, that is how anyone learns - no one is perfect.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Hey Biochem,

At least I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
If you go back to answers by John, he always repeats the same thing and always says that I need to re read his post and open my mind....
It gets tiring, that's why I decided to back away rather than make enemies here.....not my style....

L8tr

Posted by: thatguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Same here. He's the most closed-minded "open mind advocate" I've ever encountered. I'm not gonna argue with him anymore. If I post to him, it'll be something general about him or me or something about bodybuilding. No hard feelings, just sick of debates.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Bio-chem,

Every day I live another day I find more people who are actually very closed-minded and UNwilling to look at anything from ALL perspectives.

What you or anyone else ultimately think about any subject is entirely up to you. It is not my intention to "be accepted" on the "surface" like so many in life seem to strive to do loosing their individuality and who they really are - it is surprising how many abdicate themselves to make others "happy" while they themselves are very unhappy truthfully speaking. I do not lie to others and I certainly do not lie to myself - to thy own self be true...

All I can do it put forth information which I hope is from many perspectives - what others do with that information falls on them. As for the "religious right" I have absolutely no respect for them because they are just "followers" and are very willing to accept anything someone tells them - which is fine for them if that makes them "happy" but it is when they force their beliefs on others I have a real problem because those beliefs are NOT based on how life actually is or even intended to be.

You say I am "pushing". I am merely making statements of fact as they are - how someone sees what I say - IF they see what I am saying - is entirely up to them, if they have an open mind they will be willing to discuss freely back and forth as a way of each UNDERSTANDING - NOT necessarily "accepting" as that is something each of us do individually however I certainly hope people will do that with a completely open mind and objectively - they will continue to form THEIR "feelings" on whatever hopefully utilizing to the best of their ability the brain God gave each of us and not just be a person who just swallows anything because it "is the thing to do and everyone else is doing it"...

I do not have as my intention to have everyone "accept" what I say necessarily - THEY can and should check what I say out for themselves for its validity. I do not make statements lightly.

In life real friends are few and far between. I see "society" in general (the population) as mostly people who lean on others and use others for their own personal gain.

I completely understand anyone's desire to have answers to the most important questions of life and living. To have things they can believe in - but I choose to believe in things that are - NOT something made up as with so many religions to somehow fill a void thus causing the followers to "feel better" about "things" even though there may not be a shred of truth to any of it. I see the evidence of God all around me every day. My eyes are wide open. I am not blind nor am I blinded by others.

In relations I have with others (from all perspectives) I am very truthful and sincere. I NEVER use other people which most ARE GUILITY of doing and on a daily basis.

You mention "a pattern" you feel I make with regard to having others re-read what I said. I make that statement because I can see it is obvious they did not actually read and understand what I said even though it is plain to see what it is I actually said. People all the time read INTO what others say to fit their own personal thinking NOT really seeing what IS being said accuately.

You seem to be worried that I might be viewed as a "jackass". I actually think of those that think that way as a compliment to me - they did not willingly even make a small effort to see what it IS I actually said, they just put their hatred and their bigotry in front of their eyes because that is how they have learned to see all things.

I am not "setting myself up" as a "perfect person" or someone "who knows it all", far from that! - I am by my estimation far from that because I know my limitations honestly and because I understand that no one is perfect certainly not I. I am learning everyday just as I hope others are but the evidence of that shows many "don't even get off the couch"... One thing I have learned: people LOVE to hate - something, someone, etc. - because they then feel better about themselves somehow especially if they think they have made someone else more miserable then they themselves are - it then makes them happpy.

You say I am pushing people away - perhaps that is what they want because they do not like it when someone tells them what is true. Maybe you feel I lack tack in my approach to what I say and that then rubbs people the wrong way. I am not out to intentionally cause anyone any discomfort. Let me ask you: how to you present the truth to others (the facts) other than just presenting them as they are actually? Without any personal "bent" on it, sterile presentation - JUST the facts not sugar-coated? I find people like "believing" the truthfulness of what they "believe" never really matters because they are so worried about "being accepted by others"...

You say I come across as radical in my views: how so? Because I say what is actually truthful and accurate? While many do bend the truth to fit their own I just present them as they are and now I am radical for having done so? I know it is the "accepted thing" today to lie about anything. I have trouble lying to others because I learned very early on I am not good at it and I do not like myself if I do that and it is hard to remember after awhile what you say and try to keep it all straight... So I do not lie. I do not like lying, it is a giving up of oneself.

You mention the radical religious right. I can see that in this country if they continue as they are and gain the power so many seem to allow them to have just to "somehow shut them up" Iraq and that whole region will be transferred to the USA becuase those people in that part of the world have allowed religious believing to destroy everything and everyone there - they have never gotten along with themselves and never will - it is they who ARE radical. They fight each other all the time over control over each other and use "religion" and Allah to do that. I want NO part of any of that insanity!!!

I always welcome your honesty and openness. Being accurate, that is how anyone learns - no one is perfect.

Take Care, John H.

See John, this is what "boils my nuts".
After reading this in pieces because it's too long and I am not very good at paying attention for long periods of time, all I can see is that you defend your point to the death. Even if all you are doing is repeating it.
You seriously underestimate all others because you are right. You are acurate and you have the facts. Your information can't possibly be erroneous. Our facts on the other hand do not have all the available relevant information, in your view, therefore we have to be wrong.....
It bugs me that I am back in this again when I said I wouldn't, but it's too much.
I'll leave you be, you are the owner of all the truths, you are the owner of all available information, no matter what anybody else says.
Later John....

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy

Same here, John knows I have nothing against him, but I no longer respect his views because he simply doesn't respect mine, or yours, or anyone else's. Common courtesy dictates that I should, but now, I can't. Regardless, John knows there are no hard feelings.....

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Hi Tony,

Why you would think I WANT to make enemies is beyond me. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

I am responding to what OTHERS shoved down my "throat" because of THEIR "religious beliefs" which ARE NOT BASED ON FACTS AS THEY ARE in Nature and the Natural World. I make that statement BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTLEY TRUE - nothing more. I have tried to make it plain and simple which it is. If i upset someone with what I say it is most likely because I even said it in the first place and additionally that what I said goes against "their beliefs". I am not going to live my life according to how OTHERS "believe religiously" because in reality IT IS FALSE. People that know me personally WANT to know me and understand me truthfully and know I cause them no harm in any way.

I see under your name you are from South Florida - did you escape the rath of the hurricane? How do you like South Florida?

I hope you will keep in touch even if may disagree on some things.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

If you will go back to the beginning of this thread ALL IT ASKS is what is your Sexual Orientation HONESTLY SPEAKING - NOTHING MORE. How much more simple can a person ask an honest question?

The comments I make are in response to those made by others. I simply state the truth as it EXISTS in LIFE - in Nature and the Natural World. I understand people "believe religiously" the way they do but it is not a reflection of what ACTUALLY IS TRUE.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: fantasma62

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

Hey John,

No don't worry, I am not mad or anything, I don't mind keeping in touch with you.
I just don't want to do much more in this thread. We agree to disagree.
Well, I am in Miami and we literally escaped three hurricanes. You ask if I like it here. No, not always. I would much rather be the only Cuban-American who lives in the mountains in North Carolina or Georgia. My wife likes it here and the women always win, therefore I am forced to like it.

Also John, I really wouldn't mind knowing you. You and I would have a lot of fun having an intelligent conversation just about anything. We probably would not agree much, but it would make for good conversations. Besides, we do share one view: "Don't fuck with the veterans of war"

Gotta go pick up my kid at school. We'll converse later.....
As I said John, you know there are no hard feelings.....

Posted by: bio-chem

there you go john. honest opinions about how you come across to people. that may not be your intentions, but with the way people think about your views your intentions are lost by the wayside. i hope you can realize this is how people view you. openly and honestly

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

there you go john. honest opinions about how you come across to people. that may not be your intentions, but with the way people think about your views your intentions are lost by the wayside. i hope you can realize this is how people view you. openly and honestly

Hi Bio,

I look for honesty and sincereity in people - WHO they REALLY ARE, the entirety of each person... The world is full of people who put on a false front - too many can not be trusted when real friends are needed the most. Not being truthful to oneself is the first mistake any person can make. All else follows.

I have never asked anyone to be dishonest. Or not state how they really feel. On that "other Board" (which I was thrown off) I got a lot of flack from people - mostly young people who have never really lived yet and do not know too much about much of anything - other than what they had been "told" or heard from their "friends" but think they do - NOT - NOT - that I feel IN ANY WAY that I AM so "smart" or "knowledgeable" - but I TRY my best and I do not run others down especially as many today seem to do as if it is a sport in doing so.

I ask for honesty. If you or anyone is being honest then I know trully where you stand don't I and I see nothing wrong with you being who you really are (meaning anyone here). I can respect you for your honesty. I know where you stand. That in today's world is a REAL accomplishment.

Those that KNOW me KNOW me because they DO and WANT TO honestly.

Life is too short and precious to me to get into any falseness. I sincerely appreciate the friends I have because they truly are - WITH THEIR thoughts, opinions, AND THEMSELVES.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasma62

Gotta go pick up my kid at school. We'll converse later.....
As I said John, you know there are no hard feelings.....

Hi Tony,

I am tired of this thread too. I just asked a simple question and look what a person gets in response. No surprise to me though. Not just this thread but the hatred and the bigotry that comes along with it which is rooted in "religion" - NOT GOD. Think about this: there ARE thousands of "religions" each with their own "beliefs" - how does anyone ever think there will be any peace with all that "religion" beating people down... The world is full of hatred and bigotry not just on this subject. Many People are unhappy - I am not though. I enjoy life and living truthfully. And one of my cardinal rules is never allow "religion" to "rule" my life or that of my family. Or to do the "controlling" they are really after - and the financial gain from preying on people's fears "in the name of God".

I treat others as I would want to be treated. And I want them to be themselves and be truthful.

We agree to disagree. You are being honest. I have no problem with that at all.

I have always felt I'd rather shovel snow than deal with the destruction of a hurricane, flood, tornado, etc. In 1985 there was a lot of tornado activtity which is basically a rare occurrence here and it did a lot of damage not far from here but missed us - I never realized until I saw with my own eyes what a tornado CAN do and how COMPLETE AND TOTAL the destruction can be from one - hell the grass on the ground was pulverized along with everything else in its path. Personal accounts and tv coverage do not even come close to describing the massiveness and carnage... One women with her children not far from here ran to the basement in their house for protection and the tornado came and took the house and it was swerling around in the basement causing the washer and dryer to run around in circles chasing them in their basement.... They were fine in the end but scared as hell...

I like the mountains of Pennsylvania and the rolling landscape, the creeks, the openness, the tranquility, the peace... I am not a fan of extreme humidity and heat and I like the four seasons. Winter could be a little shorter though and a real spring warmer. Our falls are usually tremendous and one of my favorite seasons which I wish would be much longer. I always feel the leaves fall far too soon... I like the freedom to live and let live.

I always like good conversation on any topic.

As for the women, I do understand but I can tell you they do not always win with me for sure. I do look and listen very closely to what they say and how they feel too. Sincerely.

I am sure we will talk about something on other threads here. I look foreword to it.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: Netvista

hi john... i just wanted to say that you are a legend at bodybuilding.com and it is a shame that you were banned

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Netvista

hi john... i just wanted to say that you are a legend at bodybuilding.com and it is a shame that you were banned

Hi Netvista,

I don't see why - I certainly did not want that at all. I do not like the "limelight" for sure. There are people that do and that is fine for them. I did speak truthfully about anything, maybe that is why. What is interesting is that it is supposed to be a Board that people can discuss anything as adults and mature and as MEN - or Women as the case may be - but there sure seems to be a lot of immature people there with very closed minds - not everyone of course. I have found out that if you are a religious zealot you are very welcome on that Board and if you run Women down it seems you have a place for sure. The disrespect, hatred and bigotry that exists there I certainly hope is not representative of the USA but people do seem to get a "life" by hating and being bigoted. There must be a lot of very unhappy people.

It's been awhile since I was there and I am surprised people remember me. I was never out to "be memorable" or even to cause any controversy, just talk to other Guys about whatever as an adult and see if each of us can help each other out or just be friends...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: thatguy

Dear John H.,

Logging on as "NetVista" and changing font color/size in order to fool us into thinking someone misses you at BB.com is not gonna work.

(just kidding)

Posted by: bio-chem

It wouldnt be the first time he/she has done this. look at all of souped ups posts for an example

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy

Dear John H.,

Logging on as "NetVista" and changing font color/size in order to fool us into thinking someone misses you at BB.com is not gonna work.

(just kidding)

Hi Thatguy,

This is the first I heard of it. I have no idea who it is - I'll have to look.

As for trying to "fool" anyone, that is not my style at all. Sorry if that disappoints some...

Thanks for letting me know

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

It wouldnt be the first time he/she has done this. look at all of souped ups posts for an example

Hi Bio,

Souped-up is Souped-up I guess. I know he was on that other Board but I really do not know much more than that. I am not sure why he/she tries to say things the way he does but to each his own.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: thatguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.

I was completely kidding, John.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy

I was completely kidding, John.

Hi Thatguy,

NOW I "see" - if I had scrolled down further on your message I would have seen that

- SORRY Buddy!!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: TriZZle305

I sat here and read this whole thread... this was some funny shit

Posted by: JordanMang

God, I hate homosexuals.

Posted by: TJ Cline

100% homosexual

Posted by: JordanMang

#40

Posted by: GeorgeForemanRules

100% gay, I am in a dress right now.

Posted by: ceazur

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

100% gay, I am in a dress right now.

Posted by: N_I_C_K

Heterosexual.

Posted by: ceazur

I'm _________________________________ Str8

Posted by: GearsMcGilf

I like women, but I would suck my own cock if I could. So, I wasn't sure which one to select.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

I like women, but I would suck my own cock if I could. So, I wasn't sure which one to select.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

Funny, you hear "homosexual" so often that "heterosexual" sounds kinky.

STRAIGHT 4 SURE

Posted by: Kathybird

Hetero during the weekends. Weekdays, especially later in the week, I'll do anything.

Posted by: sprayherup

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

I like women, but I would suck my own cock if I could. So, I wasn't sure which one to select.

Posted by: GearsMcGilf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kathybird

Hetero during the weekends. Weekdays, especially later in the week, I'll do anything.

Details! Have you acted on this and what exactly have you done? We need specifics. Eat snatch, kissing, strap-ons, etc?

Posted by: theCaptn'

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Details! Have you acted on this and what exactly have you done? We need specifics. Eat snatch, kissing, strap-ons, etc?

+1, bring it on Bruce!

Posted by: FriendyAnil

I have just come from surgery and checked CNN International for the latest from Washington. Congratulations to my Yank friends in finally joining the other 29 OECD nations in providing health care to (almost) all citizens. I am most struck by the meanness and vituperation being spewed by your loyal opposition. How can covering an additional 30 million plus people be an act of evil?

Simply providing basic coverage to nearly everyone should quickly move the U.S. from the twenty-fifth place among nations to very close to the first. No one in Europe has ever understood how or why such an otherwise leading nation could be so backwards on such a basic issue. Hopefully, over the next few years we shall see a decrease in the posts about not being able to see a doctor because "my health care ran out" or some such.

Posted by: GeorgeForemanRules

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

I like women, but I would suck my own cock if I could. So, I wasn't sure which one to select.

John has a thread about that also. Did deep, his threads are pure Gold.

Posted by: toyman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

This the great thing thing about the Internet: You can be anyone you want. I am straight, 6' tall, 250 lbs with 4% body fat, a full head of hair, an income of $750,000 a year, race cars professionally when I feel like it and spend the weekend with beautiful women on my 50' yacht....Did I mention that I really am straight?

Yep, your right!!!
I am Really

a Tall, beautiful sexy white woman, 5'8", 36-24-36 120lbs,
who would LOVE to visit you on your yacht, & go to the Bahamas with you ALONE!!!!And fufill your every desire!!! Wait, your boat is ONLY 50'? I was hoping it was over 100'!!!!

Posted by: GeorgeForemanRules

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyman

Yep, your right!!!
I am Really

How big is your cock? If it's over 11'' PM me.

Posted by: toyman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

How big is your cock? If it's over 11'' PM me.

Hell, if my cock was ovwer 11" I wouldn't be on these boards...I'd be fucking some sexy bitches, ALL that I want!!! & making$$$$$$ in the pirn industry!!!!

Posted by: hypaxi

I'm mainly homosexual, but also a bit heterosexual sometimes, so I voted "bisexual". I would say that I'm 80 % homosexual, 15 % heterosexual and 5 % asexual. It all depends on a lot of different things.

(CLICK HERE here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Your Sexual Orientation

Article Archives

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60