Originally Posted by bulletproof1

lam, dont some proteins contain all the aminos though?

Originally Posted by sara

May I ask why you having 45 grams of fat in your 2'nd meal?
In my opinion, I think it would be better if you swtich meal 22.00 with your 2'nd meal

Like LAM said, you need to vary your protein sources and carbs as well.. how about Brown Rice, Yams ??

Originally Posted by LAM

#1 - you need to vary your sources of protein(s). each source of animal protein has a different amino acid profile. they complement each other when each is consumed on a regular basis

#2 - some fats are essential to stabilize serum glucose levels with high carb meals

#3 - IMO...417 grams of protein is way too much for a person with 165 lbs of LBM or non-fat

Originally Posted by young d

to be honest can't say i've tried it, and don't really think i will try it

only time i have a protein and fats meal is before bed, at other times of the day i always try and get some sort of carbs and try and drop carbs slightly in the evening and add in fats

e.g. if a choice between chicken or salmon i'd go for chicken in the day, salmon in the evening

i think you diet looks really silly, all you eat is tuna and pasta! or tuna and fat! that ain't right man!! get a george forman grill and replace some of that tuna with chicken, stake, and other fish such as salmon... will be much better for you, also easy up on the pasta, pasta is high Gi and that will make you fat! eat some veg, bread, rice, fruit for gawdsake!

mr fitness more like mr fishness, sort it out!! what will the ladies think when they get a whiff of your breath? i hope you have plenty of gum/spray on hand for that

serious fall back on the tuna kid, 2 cans max, coz that diet is a joke!

peace

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Dude, the whole basis of this diet is that you eat P+F meals later in the day, after your workout to slow down protein metabolism/release. I believe the rule is that you eat C+P up until after your postworkout meals and then your last 2 or 3 are P+F.

I am actually contemplating doing this starting soon since it is one of the few diets I have not tried. There is good science behind it, but good science does not always transfer into real world results.

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Just eat clean, train hard and smart people worrying about counting combining this that and everything else end up stressing them selves out with sensory over load and end up going back wards instead of forwards. As long as its clean low glycemic carbs with good fats and solid lean protein source then you will be fine, do cardio for heart, and caloires in vs calories burned to loose weight and vice versa for slow weight gain. i would vary protein to get a variety of amino acids, eat low glycemic carbs, and use carb tamper according to work out schedule and have fun with it. If you see your self getting fat instead of dropping caloires keep caloires same and add more cardio, after aweek that doesn;t work lower caloires about 10% but keep in cardio.

Lower protein for god sakes !! to about 300 from food if you want more add in BCAAS, glutemine to increase intake.

Originally Posted by G-man

This exerpt may help give you an insight to your original question;

Insulin is primarily involved in nutrient transport. It facilitates glucose and amino acid transport into muscle cells, and fatty acid transport into fat cells. It also blocks many catabolic processes which is a good thing. Insulin is released in response to food ingestion in an effort to maintain a baseline blood glucose level.

Let me get into more detail about how insulin works, and what it all does. The following is a chart taken from the book 'Protein Power' that compares the relative amounts of insulin and glucagon released in response to various combinations of food:

COMBINATION ............................INSULIN .....................GLUCAGON
carbs alone ..................................***** ...........................none
protien alone ................................** ................................**
fat alone .......................................none ............................none
protien + fat .................................** ................................**
Carbs * fat ...................................**** .............................none
low carb + high protien ..................** ................................*
high carb + low protien ..................******** ......................*



Insulin's role is not only shuttling nutrients into tissues, but also fat storage, triggering cholesterol synthesis, water and sodium retention, and possibly appetite control (albeit indirectly). It also works against glucagon, preventing fatty acid mobilization, and may also prevent the release of growth hormone, if present in high levels.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Here is a little blurb, amino acids cause the release of both in healthy humans.

http://insulin-pumpers.org/howto/pfandbs-3.html

and here is one on protein feeding and glucagon release in rats.

http://ajpgi.physiology.org/cgi/cont...ract/236/1/G20

Finally, here is a blurb from endotext.org, an endocrinology website.


Alterations in nutrition also influence A cell function. Acute ingestion of pure or high carbohydrate meals suppresses glucagon release, whereas pure or high protein-containing meals stimulate glucagon release. Concomitant changes in plasma glucose and amino acid levels are probably responsible for these changes. Prolonged (i.e. weeks or days) alterations in diet also alter A cell function. During total starvation, there is an acute increase in plasma glucagon lasting 1 to 2 days, probably as a result of increased secretion (54). Prolonged ingestion of high-carbohydrate or isocaloric high-fat diet decreases basal and meal-stimulated plasma glucagon levels (55). Conversely, low-carbohydrate diets or high-protein diets increase basal and stimulated glucagon secretion (55). In obesity, increased plasma glucagon responses have been reported (56).

Originally Posted by young d

so say i was out during the day, and the day was not going to plan, and i had to snack on a relativly low-protein/high carb meal (like a jacket potato or sandwich with a average protein filling), could i take a couple of BCAA caps with this and that would help stimulate glucagon release?

would that be a good thing?...

(its so hard to get protein on the go, nowhere sells anything with a protein value of more than about 25g, in the UK anyway.. if they do its very rare and only a few grams more!)

and so i've got this straight... glucagon helps your muscles utilise protein? and counters insulin?

thanks, D.