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Letters/numbers.......in or out


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Posted by: Sapphire

Chris and I are having a debate regarding how the plates should be placed on the barbell.... numbers/letters facing in or facing out.

I say it doesn't matter, HE says they HAVE to face in. or it will be easier to lift. No really, he says it makes a difference. WELL??? Opinions???????????


Posted by: BoneCrusher

Darlin you know the answer to that. It depends on what time it is ... and more importantly the COLOR of the wieghts. Please remember to never load red and blue plates on the same bar as they will explode.





















I know you're J/K ...


Posted by: Phred

I will humor the question.... I do not feel it makes a difference. How does Chris feel about mixing different brands/makes of plates?


Posted by: PreMier

Plates facing IN always. It does matter.(the weight doesnt change though)

You place the plates flat side out, so that if you put a smaller plate on the outside(say a 45lb then a 10lb next to it) that they fit "snug".


Posted by: Tough Old Man

I put my plates in the dishwasher a certain way. seems to me if i don't my dishwasher could become unbalanced. hum wonder if that aslo applies to a BB?


Posted by: Phred

Quote:
Originally Posted by PreMier
Plates facing IN always. It does matter.(the weight doesnt change though)

You place the plates flat side out, so that if you put a smaller plate on the outside(say a 45lb then a 10lb next to it) that they fit "snug".

I typically have the letters facing out. I have no problems with the plates being snug since I do not use the useless springy things for collars. I use collars like OSC-2-1/2K Cast Iron Olympic 2" Spin Collar. See http://www.multisportsfitness.com/weights.htm I do not trust the springy collars. I do not use them for anything. I have like 10 sets, that I have acquired over the years collecting dust in my garage. I have heard of folks using them as 1 pound wts on dumbbells. But I have the collars with T-handles for that.


Posted by: PreMier

In this pic, ALL the numbers are in. All I can say, is its the right way.




Posted by: Prince

right, letters always face inward.


Posted by: Du

Quote:
Originally Posted by PreMier
Plates facing IN always. It does matter.(the weight doesnt change though)

You place the plates flat side out, so that if you put a smaller plate on the outside(say a 45lb then a 10lb next to it) that they fit "snug".
Exactly what he said.


Posted by: Saturday Fever

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Plates facing IN always.
OH IT MATTERS.

I know there is no real backing to WHY it matters. But it does. If I load a big squat with a plate the wrong way, I miss it. It's always worked out that way. When I worked out with my brother, it was that way for both of us. We used to fuck with each other and slip a plate on backwards, and like clockwoprk, we would miss the lift.

I can't explain it, but it is CRUCIAL that the numbers/letterswhatever face IN.


Posted by: Phred

Quote:
Originally Posted by PreMier
In this pic, ALL the numbers are in. All I can say, is its the right way.

I looked at an old Golds Gym Mass Building book that I have, and every single picture (and there are lots of them) have the letters facing in, just as many of you have stated. I do not understand why it would make a difference though. Is it tradition? Or is there a real reason? Is it easier to hold the plates with the lip away from your body (so fingers can grab edges)? I am not trying to be a smart ass, I am just trying to understand the logic to something I never gave much thought to. Especially since there seems to be many folks who feel the letter should go in and not out.


Posted by: pmech

We have rubber coated plates at my gym, numbers on both sides. I may never be able to lift anything heavy now. I might as well quit now or find a different gym.


Posted by: naturaltan

Quote:
Originally Posted by pmech
We have rubber coated plates at my gym, numbers on both sides. I may never be able to lift anything heavy now. I might as well quit now or find a different gym.



Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
Chris and I are having a debate regarding how the plates should be placed on the barbell.... numbers/letters facing in or facing out.

I say it doesn't matter, HE says they HAVE to face in. or it will be easier to lift. No really, he says it makes a difference. WELL??? Opinions???????????
Sapphy...Chris doesn't really think it makes a difference, does he?

By the way...I like em facing in just because.


Posted by: Saturday Fever

hahaha.

There is no real reason to face the plates in any direction. For me it's superstition. Although it's true we've missed lifts simply because a plate or two were facing the wrong way.


Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Sapphy...Chris doesn't really think it makes a difference, does he?

By the way...I like em facing in just because.
Chris is sitting right here and insists that YES it does make a difference, cause Arnold says so.


Posted by: nikegurl

i like them facing in b/c it's somehow just seems more tidy/consistent and "right"

but then again...i'm kinda nuts


Posted by: Saturday Fever

Hot. But nuts.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
Chris is sitting right here and insists that YES it does make a difference, cause Arnold says so.
Tell Chris that he should NOT consider becoming a physics professor, but might want to teach a class in mysticism.


Posted by: Archangel

I workout with my Dad, he is very anal about the letters/numbers facing out so you can read what you have on the bar, I face them in because I figure you know what you are putting on the bar, so why would it matter, but he is psycho crazy about it, I get a kick about it!!! sometimes I even set him up my way on purpose, just to see him go insane!!!


Posted by: Dale Mabry

I believe in powerlifting circles, they put the innermost plate facing in and all others facing out. A PLer I know was very anal about that, I personally don't care.

Plus now I have the same issue as pmech since all of our weights are rubberized with numbers on both sides.


Posted by: CowPimp

Think about the physics of the situation. The force of gravity on the bar is the mass x acceleration. Let's say the bar totals 50KG (Mass) with the weights included; the acceleration of gravity is 9.81m/s*s (Seconds are squared) towards the ground. Therefore, the force in the downward direction is 490.5N.

Guess what happens if you flip the weights around? The force in the downward direction is still exactly the same. Therefore, the force required to move the weight in an upward direction is still exactly the same. You can prefer to have the weights facing a certain way, but it makes no difference...


Posted by: Saturday Fever

Oh my. Cow is citing physics. If you were a girl I'd be in love.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
Think about the physics of the situation. The force of gravity on the bar is the mass x acceleration. Let's say the bar totals 50KG (Mass) with the weights included; the acceleration of gravity is 9.81m/s*s (Seconds are squared) towards the ground. Therefore, the force in the downward direction is 490.5N.

Guess what happens if you flip the weights around? The force in the downward direction is still exactly the same. Therefore, the force required to move the weight in an upward direction is still exactly the same. You can prefer to have the weights facing a certain way, but it makes no difference...
Great answer, but do you REALLY think that such detail was needed to figure this one out


Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Great answer, but do you REALLY think that such detail was needed to figure this one out
Apparently it is. I thought people were going to refute this with something simple like, "It's still the same amount of weight!" It appears that simple logic like that isn't enough. I thought it was a little crazy myself, but maybe it will make the difference to Sapphire's man.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
Apparently it is. I thought people were going to refute this with something simple like, "It's still the same amount of weight!" It appears that simple logic like that isn't enough. I thought it was a little crazy myself, but maybe it will make the difference to Sapphire's man.
I'm still hoping he was just kidding around.


Posted by: Mudge

I have letters facing in because its easier for me to load, as long as its the same on both sides it doesn't make it any easier to lift.

45 pounds is 45 pounds.


Posted by: pmech

Thank goodness.

Now I will be able to continue training.


Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
I'm still hoping he was just kidding around.
He yells at me when I put them on the other way...

Now he is saying that Lance Armstrong always faces numbers in. That explains IT!!!!


Posted by: Saturday Fever

It's just a mental thing. Like I said, I've missed lifts for no other reason than a plate wasn't facing the "right way." There is no explanation for it other than mental.


Posted by: Du

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
He yells at me when I put them on the other way...

Now he is saying that Lance Armstrong always faces numbers in. That explains IT!!!!
Oh Jeez. That explains it. After all, Lance Armstrong is HUUUGE. (with 3 u's)


You should do it more, just to see who else faces the plates out!



Myself, I always face them in too. Seems like amore solid fit.


Posted by: CowPimp

I can't believe this thread has continued on for 30 posts. This is hilarious.


Posted by: idlehands

Quote:
Originally Posted by nikegurl
i like them facing in b/c it's somehow just seems more tidy/consistent and "right"

but then again...i'm kinda nuts
i agree with the whole consistent part and that alot of it is mental. i dunno about the tidy issue since im kinda mesy....but hey to each his/her own. i had a buddy i used to workout with and he would always put em numbers/letters out, and i would put them in and i just never told him not to do it but it ALWAYS messed with my head..id be working out just staring at the weights that were the wrong way....but im kinda nuts too.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
He yells at me when I put them on the other way...

Now he is saying that Lance Armstrong always faces numbers in. That explains IT!!!!
Ahhhh, thats what is known in scientific circles as the "LA Factor"...also known as "Chris is a freaking wacko, but he is YOUR wacko, so its ok factor."


Posted by: Saturday Fever

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
I can't believe this thread has continued on for 30 posts. This is hilarious.
It is an extremely important issue.

please note the sarcasm levels going off the charts


Posted by: Sapphire

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro
Ahhhh, thats what is known in scientific circles as the "LA Factor"...also known as "Chris is a freaking wacko, but he is YOUR wacko, so its ok factor."
Yes he worked out with Lance once in Los Angeles. They had a ball and went totally nuts. CRAZY heavy...


Posted by: PreMier




Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturday Fever
It is an extremely important issue.

please note the sarcasm levels going off the charts
Haha. So true. We should have a whole forum devoted to this topic. The debates are almost as intense as those about localized hypertrophy.


Posted by: ROCKSTAR

I have always put the letters & numbers facing in. I guess it just looks tighter and more secure; Not that I have that many plates on the bar to really worry about it.



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