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Posted by: Prince

2004 Mr. Olympia Results

1st Ronnie Coleman
2nd Jay Cutler
3rd Gustavo Badell
4th Dexter Jackson
5th Markus Ruhl
6th Gunter Schlierkamp
7th Chris Cormier
8th Dennis James
9th Victor Martinez
10th Darrem Charles
11th Pavol Jablonicky
12th Kris Dim
13th Ahmad Haidar
14th Johnnie O. Jackson
15th Troy Alves
16th Craig Richardson
17th Mustafa Mohammed
18th Richard Jones
19th Claude Groulx

Posted by: Prince

Pre-Judging Pics

Many Pics of Pros on stage and off

Various Pics of Pros Day 1

Various Pics of Pros Day 2

Posted by: topolo

Jay was robbed!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Prince

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Holy crap, jays traps have gotten huge compared to the Arnold.

Posted by: Prince

please keep all Mr. O discussions in this thread, thanks!

Posted by: Jeanie

Poor Gunter. Did you guys see the new showdown round? How humiliating! He was such a gentleman about it though.

Posted by: topolo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Holy crap, jays traps have gotten huge compared to the Arnold.

yes they have!! He got screwed.............btw Gunter laid an egg.

Posted by: cappo5150

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Originally Posted by Jeanie

Poor Gunter. Did you guys see the new showdown round? How humiliating! He was such a gentleman about it though.

what happened?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Well for those of you that saw this show it was so unorganized. Jay Cutler should have won that show based on this new round of posing. Ronnie beat Dexter in the abs/leg shot....there is no way in hell that Ronnie's abs are better then Dexter. There is no way that Ronnie's legs are THAT much better to make up for the abs. If Dexter had won that shot...and IMO he should have, then Jay would have taken the title. I think they either need to open their eyes or go back to the way the show was before. Don't get me wrong Ronnie looked good....but I think that Jay should have taken the show based on this new point round they have. If anyone else saw the show give your opinion.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I have it on VHS tape recorded off pay-per-view.

Posted by: Jeanie

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Well for those of you that saw this show it was so unorganized. Jay Cutler should have won that show based on this new round of posing. Ronnie beat Dexter in the abs/leg shot....there is no way in hell that Ronnie's abs are better then Dexter. There is no way that Ronnie's legs are THAT much better to make up for the abs. If Dexter had won that shot...and IMO he should have, then Jay would have taken the title. I think they either need to open their eyes or go back to the way the show was before. Don't get me wrong Ronnie looked good....but I think that Jay should have taken the show based on this new point round they have. If anyone else saw the show give your opinion.

It did seem pretty unorganized and I didn't like the way they tried to give it that WWE wrestleing tone. I think Ronnie did win, but not by much.
If size didn't matter then Dexter could have had it...he looked great.
Why does everyone boo Markus Ruhl?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I believe everyone is saying "Ruhl", but it does sound like boo. He is well liked so I highly doubt it was boo.

I think its a matter of size and shape. Otherwise there would not be weight classes. In the big boy class size MUST count for something. Dexter looks great, but genetically he is not a big guy. So if there are guys out there close to Dexters conditioning but 40+ lbs heavier its hard to say he should win.

I also agree the WWE tone was lame. If that brings more fans to the sport then I can live with it. The fans are what makes it possible for those guys to do what they do. I can do without the smack talk backstage...I don't want to bodybuilding to seem fake like wrestling has become.

Posted by: Jeanie

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I believe everyone is saying "Ruhl", but it does sound like boo. He is well liked so I highly doubt it was boo.

I think its a matter of size and shape. Otherwise there would not be weight classes. In the big boy class size MUST count for something. Dexter looks great, but genetically he is not a big guy. So if there are guys out there close to Dexters conditioning but 40+ lbs heavier its hard to say he should win.

I also agree the WWE tone was lame. If that brings more fans to the sport then I can live with it. The fans are what makes it possible for those guys to do what they do. I can do without the smack talk backstage...I don't want to bodybuilding to seem fake like wrestling has become.

don't I feel stupid......They are saying "RUHL"

Posted by: JoeR.

Damnit I wanted to watch it sooo bad. Living in dorms sucks. Does anyone know where I can find a play by play, like who one what pose offs. Even better anyone know anyone who capped it??

Sounds like it was soo interesting, I must see!!!!!

Posted by: bulletproof1

ummmmm i didnt see lee priests name on that list.

Posted by: Johnnny

Where was Nasser this year?

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

ummmmm i didnt see lee priests name on that list.

he basically "boycotted" the show this year, pic up the latest MD he tells all.

Posted by: mrguy

Ronnie earned it!

That was the best 200 dollar ticket I ever bought!! We were pretty close to the stage and it was awesome!!

The Tom Arnold switch aroo got me hook line and sinker!!!

Damn, the EXPO would of been worth going on it's own!! I got so much free stuff and met so many different pros and fitness people, it was incredible. We went into the Expo two days and filled up a gym bag with free supplement samples!!

Posted by: Johnnny

Yeah where was Lee Priest?

Posted by: mrguy

The abs are judged together with the thighs and that is why the attack on Ronnies abs did not work.

Ronnie has massive thighs that make up for his extending gut. I wanted Jay to win but being there in person up and close and seeing these monsters first hand, I have to say Ronnie won it hands done. Ronnie is a beast!! Even in the Expo when Jay and Ronnie where signing autograph's, Ronnie is just more massive than Jay. I think if Jay had another 20 or 30 lbs on him, he'll be able to knock Ronnie off his pedestal. I felt sorry for Gunter!! But, he was lucky to be in the top six since at prejudging he really looked like crap.

Ran into Mike Katz on the way and even asa IFBB judge he said Ronnie is just to massive! He also said had Dextor not screwed up one of the pose offs, the results would of been different.

Here are some of my favorite photos I took from the show!! The one of Rebecca Ryan and me just made my day!!

And the photo where Katz was nice enough to let me get a shot with him after the show!

Posted by: Johnnny

Robert DiMaggio?

I think Ronnie Coleman was looking huge & very, very lean, but there were guys looking better than him.

But as for the Olympia, I thought Gunter was going to place higher & he got killed right at the end of the competition.

He looked better than some of the other guys there with size, definition & symetry.

Posted by: JLB001

Ronnie won by 3 points.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by JLB001

Ronnie won by 3 points.

Yeah and if the judges gave dexter the abs/legs pose over ronnie then Jay would have won by 1 point.

Posted by: topolo

trojan is correct

Posted by: brodus

I can't believe you guys think Jay should have been anything higher than 4th. He was carrying a shitload of water and fat, comparably. Placing should have been Dexter 2nd, Gusatvo 3rd, Jay 4th.

Jay lacked the cuts Dexter, Ronnie, and Gustavo had. He looked bloated on his back shots, where the other three looked striated and cut. The only thing that keeps Dexter from #1 is size. And now I know why Lee Priest opted out (as you should too) after seeing a blocky, bloated Gunter get 6th...that was horseshit.

Posted by: brodus

Look at Prince's post photos and the other ones posted, and seriously reconsider thinking a bloated, non-cut Cutler at 20lbs less than the razor-sharp 296-pound champ was anything but a 4th place or lower...I mean, he just wasn't there at all.

And did anyone notice how Jay's head became even closer to resembling a keg of beer/Frankenstein than ever before? He needs to give in to genetics before his GH-induced acromegaly fully overtakes his already chemcially mishapen skull.

Posted by: brodus

And did anyone check outh those pics of Pavlov J.?!!! That guy is SICK!! He's like the modern Franco Columbo.

Posted by: brodus

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Jay Cutler should have won that show based on this new round of posing.

Give me a fuggin break...since when was it fair for a jar-head pampered whiteboy who shows up 20lbs. lighter than the incumbent and DOESN'T have a striated backside nor a cut up front side to win? That's retared, man. I'm not even a crazy BB freak, but Ronnie's domination and hardocore training is impossible to overlook. Cut size out of it, and Dexter had a chance, but come on, Jay looks like a cromagnum man and he still is 20 hard pounds off the champ...he peaked in 2001.

Posted by: brodus

I honestly would love someone to explain how thes photos show a 2nd place finish:

Why do people like Jay so much?

Even Ruhl was more cut up, albeit unbalanced.

Posted by: bulletproof1

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Robert DiMaggio?
I'd seriously like to know why you closed the Olympia thread I started?

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Yeah and if the judges gave dexter the abs/legs pose over ronnie then Jay would have won by 1 point.

That is how I saw it too. I thought this was Jay's year. How the heck did Ronnie beat Dexter in an AB shot?? There is just no way.

Posted by: Johnnny

I am very surprised that Ronnie won that Ab's & thighs pose.

Ronnie is huge, ripped & proprotionate for the most part, but Ronnie's abs look very ugly compared to many of the others like Dex & Gunter for example.

It looks like all the GH/Insulin is taking an affect on Ronnie to protrude his gut like that.

Posted by: brodus

Did you look at the photo I posted? How was Jay anywhere near Ronnie?

Posted by: Johnnny

brodus

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can't believe you guys think Jay should have been anything higher than 4th. He was carrying a shitload of water and fat, comparably. Placing should have been Dexter 2nd, Gusatvo 3rd, Jay 4th.

You can't be serious.

I didn't see much fat or bloating on him.

& that angle of the 2 back poses wasn't the best.

If you had the camera right up front & straight on Jay's back you would see, but that photo was taken on a right angle so it's hard to see.

& even if he did have a bit of fat on his back, I would still pick Jay Cutler over Ronnie Coleman as Ronnie's abs are so ugly from the GH & makes everything else look disproportionate to the rest of his body or the other competitors.

But Dex did have probably the best conditioning & set of abs.

But it must be hard for the judges to pick points over one guy from the next as you've got tall guys, short guys, 250+lbs ripped freaks who are tall, shorter guys who are huge & ripped for their height & body frame.

I've noticed that for the most muscular poses the judges picked the taller more freakish bodybuilders like Markus & Ronnie over Dex & Gustavo.

Posted by: JoeR.

YEa I did brodus, its hard to tell from that photo. Jay has his back pulled out more then Ronnie does so it appears to be smoother.

Now I did not see the show so I cant say if he wasnt smooth or fat based on that. Show us more pictures!

Posted by: brodus

Prince and I both posted photos that clearly show Cutler as much softer, not as defined as Coleman. You can argue photo angles and stuff, but the fact is one guy was huge a ripped and one guy wasn't...and he was the only guy in the top four that wasn't ripped, yet he still got 2nd?!

No glute striations, limited vascularity, and a layer of water or fat obscuring his physique are all reasons why Jay shouldn't have even been in the top four.

If anyone got robbed it was Dexter.

BTW, distended guts are more of a byproduct of eating 7,000+ calories a day and not doing enough cardio than GH side effects. You do know that eating that much causes your organs to stretch and enlarge, right?

Freaked out navels (a la Ruhl), are more of a GH symptom. But the worst is Caveman head, AKA acromagaly, and no one has it worse than Cutler...I'll do a before and after someday in Photoshop.

Posted by: mrguy

Jay's thighs are not as massive as Ronnies that is why he lost the ABS & Thighs pose. Had it only been Abs, he would of won hands down.

Plain and simple.

I was very close to them after the show when they walked through the crowd and Ronnie is just more massive. Ok, Ronnies gut protrudes a bit, but he has abs. I only wish my abs were like Ronnies.

Being there in person and looking at pictures are two different things. That is why the judges score the way the do. A person who looks great in a photo may in fact not look so great up close. If judges were scoring from photos, the results would be different.

Posted by: Johnnny

brodus

Quote:

BTW, distended guts are more of a byproduct of eating 7,000+ calories a day and not doing enough cardio than GH side effects. You do know that eating that much causes your organs to stretch and enlarge, right?

Actually those huge protruding guts are caused by GH.

Mudge has informed me of this & he first hand knowledge of this sort of thing.

Not too mention asking ppl who are on GH compared to ppl who are on just anabolics.

Posted by: bulletproof1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

brodus

Actually those huge protruding guts are caused by GH.

Mudge has informed me of this & he first hand knowledge of this sort of thing.

Not too mention asking ppl who are on GH compared to ppl who are on just anabolics.

oh shit here we go again.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

so how come Lee Haney did not have one?

Posted by: brodus

I'm not saying GH has no effect on gut protrusion.

I'm saying bodybuilding is different than it used to be, and there weren't 296 pound, 5'11" guys on stage back when people did the vaccuum pose. Haney competed at 244. I doubt people would be shouting GH GUT if Ronnie competed at 240.

I don't think Ronnie's a good example when talking about GH sides, personally, b/c his head still looks normal, whereas people like Cutler look like rejects from the Munsters, while the used to look normal.

Posted by: Johnnny

Brodus

Quote:

I'm not saying GH has no effect on gut protrusion.

I'm saying bodybuilding is different than it used to be, and there weren't 296 pound, 5'11" guys on stage back when people did the vaccuum pose. Haney competed at 244. I doubt people would be shouting GH GUT if Ronnie competed at 240.

I don't think Ronnie's a good example when talking about GH sides, personally, b/c his head still looks normal, whereas people like Cutler look like rejects from the Munsters, while the used to look normal.

Ronnie is a perfect example of GH side effects, just b/c his head still looks normal doesn't mean that he isn't experiencing GH effects in other places.

I'm sure his internal organs have grown.

Quote:

BTW, distended guts are more of a byproduct of eating 7,000+ calories a day and not doing enough cardio than GH side effects.

If this is true, than Ronnie wouldn't have been as ripped as you say he is, he would've been smoother.

He did still have a ripped set of abs, but he possed the protruding gut syndrome which many GH users have.

I'm just beginning to think you have something personal against Jay Cutler.

Posted by: topolo

Brodus,

Did you watch it???????

Jay got ass raped by the judges.

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Everyone loves to hate the frontrunner. Besides, the Olympia is rigged. It's all about who's doing more to line Weider's pockets.

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Everyone loves to hate the frontrunner. Besides, the Olympia is rigged. It's all about who's doing more to line Weider's pockets.

wait a sec, are you implying that it's political?

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Posted by: topolo

Rob,

who do you think should have won?

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by topolo

Rob,

who do you think should have won?

all I have to go by are the pics, and Ronnie looks unbeatable, Jay looks softer, and blockier, on Jay's best day I do not think he could beat Ronnie.

Posted by: topolo

That's it!!!!!!! no more anabolic matrix for me!!!!!

Posted by: I'm Trying

Well atleast my buddy Kris did well in just his 2nd pro comp/1st Olympia. 12th place is great I think. Good place to start. Can only go up from there.
Priest tells all in MD why he didn't compete. Pick it up its a good read.

Hey Rob (Prince) what do you think of MD anyways??

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by I'm Trying

Hey Rob (Prince) what do you think of MD anyways??

I like it as far as bb mags go, planet muscle is good too.

Posted by: I'm Trying

Thats the two I read. Planet muscle and MD.
I get Muscle and Fittness on ocasion for the pullout cards for the workouts. The rest goes away

Posted by: Jill

Ronnie is H U G E!!! But I think he has a bit of a gut, compared to Jay, Dexter, and Gus. Just not as lean in the abbies.

I agree the operation was a little Mickey-Mouse-you should have seen the womens, pretty unorganized. Going backstage and stuff.

Posted by: JoeR.

Damn im going to have to pay like 75$ for this dvd.

I agree with Prince that Ronnie mass is unbeatable, in the old style contest. I really thought that it was more moving to asthetically pleasing and not just pure mass. Thats why I disagree with the even on Jays best day he couldn't win. Based on pure asthetics I think Dex should win, but I really thought Jay would win becasue he is the best mix of mass and asthetics.

Also looking at Kris Dim why didnt he place higher? I would like to hear about that.

Posted by: tomas101

how the hell did darrem charles come in 10th????? he was in the best shape of his life...can any of you tell me how he looked there and what caused him to do so bad?

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeR.

Thats why I disagree with the even on Jays best day he couldn't win.

I meant that on Jay's best day he cannot beat Ronnie the way he appeared at this past Olympia, it's just a matter of genetics.

Posted by: JoeR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I meant that on Jay's best day he cannot beat Ronnie the way he appeared at this past Olympia, it's just a matter of genetics.

Explain why he is genetically superior? He just seems bigger, he does after all have Jay by about 7-8 years...

Posted by: Flex

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I have it on VHS tape recorded off pay-per-view.

I CANT FUGGING BELIEVE I MISSED IT!

i don't know why, but the date completely slipped my mind.

Troj, would you make me a copy?? (i'll $buy$ one of you)....

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

I CANT FUGGING BELIEVE I MISSED IT!

i don't know why, but the date completely slipped my mind.

Troj, would you make me a copy?? (i'll $buy$ one of you)....

Yeah I can do that for ya bro...Its going to have to wait until the weekend because I do not have time during the week.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrguy

Jay's thighs are not as massive as Ronnies that is why he lost the ABS & Thighs pose. Had it only been Abs, he would of won hands down.

Jay beat Ronnie on the Abs/leg pose. Dexter lost agains Ronnie on the abs/leg pose. Are you gonna tell me that Dexters ab/legs shot is not more impressive them Ronnie? Jay has better abs and over all legs then Ronnie any day, and thats why the judges gave him the pose points against Ronnie.

Posted by: Johnnny

I was very impressed with Dennis James's size, vascularity & condition & he placed high as well.

I'm beginning to think the whole thing is rigged so Ronnie would tie Arnold's record & then next year beat him with 8 Olympia's.

Jay should've won in his home town.

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

Jay should've won in his home town.

Vegas is the only place where they hold the Olympia...

Posted by: Johnnny

LAM

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Vegas is the only place where they hold the Olympia...

Here is a link that shows that the Mr. O was in Atlanta

http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/

& here is another link that shows other various locations:
http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/olympia.htm

It's been in Nevada the last 6yrs only.

& here is a link with a lot of previous Olympia photos just to throw in.

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles...l2002pics.html

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeR.

Explain why he is genetically superior? He just seems bigger, he does after all have Jay by about 7-8 years...

No explanation necessary, just look at them both, Ronnie is taller, that always helps if you have the size to go along with it, Ronnie has more mass and more separation, and Ronnie is more symmetrical and has a more aesthetically pleasing physique, Jay appears very blocky, his waste looks huge, he just cannot seem to attain the overall hardness especially in his glutes and hams.

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

LAM

Here is a link that shows that the Mr. O was in Atlanta

http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/

& here is another link that shows other various locations:
http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/olympia.htm

It's been in Nevada the last 6yrs only.

& here is a link with a lot of previous Olympia photos just to throw in.

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles...l2002pics.html

He is saying that now for the past 3 years I believe they only hold the olympia in vegas. it used to be in other places each year but now it is just in vegas.

Posted by: Prince

MEN'S PREJUDGING PHOTO GALLERY

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

He is saying that now for the past 3 years I believe they only hold the olympia in vegas. it used to be in other places each year but now it is just in vegas.

thank you...

Posted by: nikegurl

(and the plan is for it to remain in vegas.)

Posted by: Prince

now if they would just move the Arnold Classic to Vegas!

Posted by: tomas101

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomas101

how the hell did darrem charles come in 10th????? he was in the best shape of his life...can any of you tell me how he looked there and what caused him to do so bad?

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by tomas101

Man, he looked great. But the thing is he just doesn't have the muscle size and density that the other guys have. The olympia is a freak show, he is not that big of a freak, as good of condition he is in. Dexter Jackson is in crazy shape and he is bigger than Dareem Charles. Also, from the back he is not that impressive, like most of the guys on that stage. he just gets dwarfed by the other competiters up there.

Posted by: Johnnny

P-Funk

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He is saying that now for the past 3 years I believe they only hold the olympia in vegas. it used to be in other places each year but now it is just in vegas.

No offense seriously, but you really need to get your eyes checked. You quoted me on this

"my quote"

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It's been in Nevada the last 6yrs only.

I said the Olympia has been in Nevad for 6yrs not 3yrs as you state.

I personally don't think they should leave it in Nevada from now on.

I think there are many other big cities that would love to host the Mr. Olympia.

I guess they won't be doing any more Mr. Olympia's in Europe?
Oh well.

LAM

Quote:

thank you...

BTW I wasn't arguing, I was only stating that it hasn't always just been held in Nevada, only the last 6yrs now it's been in Nevada.

Posted by: tomas101

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Originally Posted by P-funk

thanks...its just funny, b/c he's beaten most of those pple b4...the only three i dont think he has ever beat are ronnie gunter and jay...he's beat everyone else who was ahead of him in past shows...owell...Dexter looked fucking ridiculous

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

I think there are many other big cities that would love to host the Mr. Olympia.

Yeah, so many people are interested in it, I was not even able to get it on my Pay-Per-View.

I think it should stay in Vegas, it's agreat city for it, I would like to see the Arnold moved to Vegas too.

Posted by: Johnnny

Robert DiMaggio

Quote:

How could you not get it on Pay-Per-View?

I know a lot of ppl in the US all over & here in Canada & they all had it for those who bought it or had satellite.

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

I personally don't think they should leave it in Nevada from now on.

I think there are many other big cities that would love to host the Mr. Olympia.

fortunately the decision is not up to you...hands down Las Vegas is the best city in this country for holding conventions and such.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

How could you not get it on Pay-Per-View?

It was not listed?

That is fine, I can buy the DVD.

Posted by: Johnnny

LAM

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fortunately the decision is not up to you...hands down Las Vegas is the best city in this country for holding conventions and such.

Los Angeles, Chicago, & New York are also great cities to have the Olymia IMO.

Posted by: soxmuscle

I have lived in both Chicago and Boston, two pretty popular/populated cities and I don't think the arena/convention center would be close to selling out in these two cities. The interest just isnt there, where as in Vegas, people will come down to have a great time and gamble along with going to the show.

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

LAM

Los Angeles, Chicago, & New York are also great cities to have the Olymia IMO.

they held it at Madison Square Garden in NYC a few years back. The turn out is not like it is in Vegas though. Possibly becasue it is not only a great place to hold a convention but because it is so close to LA and souther california were a lot more BBing fans can easily come to the show.

Posted by: Johnnny

Robert DiMaggio

Quote:

It was not listed?

That is fine, I can buy the DVD.

Well it should've been listed as it was on payperview everywhere?

Weird. Are you sure you didn't miss it?

Posted by: Prince

I may have, but that's okay cause I can spend the money on the DVD instead.

Posted by: JoeR.

Yea but they aren't shipping the Dvd for another month. I can not wait....

Posted by: Prince

patience is a virtue.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

He needs to give in to genetics before his GH-induced acromegaly fully overtakes his already chemcially mishapen skull.

Thats the shape of his head dude, and the shape of mine is similar coming from a celtic lineage. When I gain weight, I gain weight in the face as well, thats how it goes.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

Mudge has informed me of this & he first hand knowledge of this sort of thing.

I've never used GH.

However I would disagree with Brodus' claim that distended guts come from 7k calorie diets. There are guys that maintain at 7k for one, and there were plenty of guys back in the days that would drink milk, drink beer, eat whole chickens at a single sitting, and still had no guts. I would look to GH/IGF-1 long before claiming it came from stomach stretching.

That would be like saying there is a large quanity of food in their stomachs during the competition itself, and this is not true. And honestly a 1k calorie meal is not all that huge, or in Cutler's case he goes up to 14 meals a day, those are very small meals. When I eat small meals, and I have gone up to 6500 calories myself, it does not have a large impact on your gut. Now if you are doing xxxx calories of sugar donuts and protein powder thats another story.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

I doubt people would be shouting GH GUT if Ronnie competed at 240.

I don't think Ronnie's a good example when talking about GH sides, personally, b/c his head still looks normal, whereas people like Cutler look like rejects from the Munsters, while the used to look normal.

Ok, so look at Craig Titus then. There goes your theory.

As for your constant Munster comment, you prove your lack of knowlege in this area with that alone. There is a difference between having a pituitary disorder and using exogenous GH. I'm not guessing you have studied this stuff enough to even comment.

Not enough cardio? So you are saying that Ronnie is fat but striated at the same time? I didn't know cottage cheese had a striated appearance. By the way, Ronnie at least in the past did one hour of cardio in the AM and one hour at night.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

IMO Cutler has a large bone structure and thats why he has a large skull. His head isn't so big if you look at his bone structure. I've been around Jay up close in person and his head doesn't look HUGE or stick out like a stop sign. It looks normal.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Yeah and if the judges gave dexter the abs/legs pose over ronnie then Jay would have won by 1 point.

No, he wouldn't have. Before the last pose, it was Ronnie 22 Jay 21. If Ronnie had lost the Dex pose, he would have had 20. He won the last pose against Jay, a back lat spread which he called because he knew it would expose Jay's weakness in his hamstrings, and when he won the 2 points, he STILL would have had 22 to Jay's 21.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Egoat I think your wrong, but without reviewing the round again I'm not going to argue this with you. Its no longer that fresh in my mind. Maybe tonight I will watch it again and comment.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Egoat I think your wrong, but without reviewing the round again I'm not going to argue this with you. Its no longer that fresh in my mind. Maybe tonight I will watch it again and comment.

I taped the show and just went back to the last pose. It was exactly as I stated. Ronnie led 22-21 going into the last pose. He won the pose, so it ended 24-21. If Dex had won the abs and thigh pose, Ronnie would have still won 22-21.

Posted by: wtfzor

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Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

yup that's right, I watched the show and I feel sorry for Gunter, he lost every single competition in the challanege round.

Posted by: wtfzor

"rear...lats....game over......lights out spread"

Posted by: P-funk

I think the thing that disappoints me the most about the Olympia is the posing routines. Some of these guys can't move for shit and they just go up there and wing it, not even moving to the music. What is the point of even having music is you are just going to improvise. I think at that level of Bodybuilding they should at least have someone try and choreograph something for them. Darrem Charles and Melvin Anthony (who wasn't in it this year) are awesome posers and you can tell they work hard on making it interesting an dnailing thier routines. I am not saying that everyone has to make it like a dance, with popping and locking, like they do. But come on. A little movement and fluidness would be nice. Just my opinion.

Posted by: wtfzor

LOL yeah I love Darrem Charles's moonwalk, Melvin Anthony was a entertainer too

man some of them can't move for shit, Gunter couldn't even keep his balance during his free pose.
I still think that Arnold and Shawn Ray has the best poses ever, very smooth and convincing.

Posted by: JoeR.

Ed Corney, nough said.

Posted by: wtfzor

oh yeah he's got some nice pose, too artistic

Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I think the thing that disappoints me the most about the Olympia is the posing routines. Some of these guys can't move for shit and they just go up there and wing it, not even moving to the music. What is the point of even having music is you are just going to improvise. I think at that level of Bodybuilding they should at least have someone try and choreograph something for them. Darrem Charles and Melvin Anthony (who wasn't in it this year) are awesome posers and you can tell they work hard on making it interesting an dnailing thier routines. I am not saying that everyone has to make it like a dance, with popping and locking, like they do. But come on. A little movement and fluidness would be nice. Just my opinion.

did ever get a chance to see Lee Labrada pose? one word, AWESOME!

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

did ever get a chance to see Lee Labrada pose? one word, AWESOME!

No never....Any videos you recommed?

Posted by: Prince

I saw him guest pose at a show in the early 90's, you could get one of the Olympia DVD's, like the 1990: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/store/v...r-olympia.html

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