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Posted by: min0 lee

If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?

Posted by: camarosuper6

Thats easy.

Tim Duncan.

Best player in the league since Michael Jordan.

Posted by: jack52

Carmelo, but Mino had Shaq up inexplicably

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Duncan, most dominating offensive/defensive player.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Thats easy.

Tim Duncan.

Best player in the league since Michael Jordan.

HA. Ya right.

Shaq is (or actually was) better.

And now there is no question the best player in the league is

Jjjj Jjjjj Jjjj G-UNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT....Kevin Garnett.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

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Originally Posted by Flex

HA. Ya right.

Shaq is (or actually was) better.

And now there is no question the best player in the league is

Jjjj Jjjjj Jjjj G-UNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT....Kevin Garnett.

Shaq was a more dominating offensive player in his prime, but never had the desire/dedication to defense that Duncan has shown every year he's been in the league. Garnett is close, but not quite as dominating as Duncan, overall. IMHO

Posted by: cappo5150

It would be a toss up between KG and Shaq diesel.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

WHAT?

Bro, Shaq changed the way teams played the Lakers b/c he was so dominant inside. The reason you don't think he had desire/dedication is b/c he's bigger, hence slower, so it appears he doesnt try as hard.

After Jordan, Shaq took over as best player in the NBA, until last year, where Garnett was last year/is now hands down the best player in the NBA.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Duncan makes his teammates so much better. Shaq never really did that.
Duncan plays better defense, and a much better overall game.

Shaq may be a domiant force, but he isnt the complete player Duncan is.

KG is a great player too, and makes his teammates better.... if anyone is close its not Shaq.. its Duncan and Garnett.

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Carmelo, but Mino had Shaq up inexplicably

And boy WTF are you brining this shit in here for mayn? You might wanna think twice before talking in this forum if your opinion of a great player to build your team arond is CARMELO ANTHONY.. when you can pick from Shaq, Tim, KG etc.

Its gonna be a long season for this guy!

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Duncan makes his teammates so much better. Shaq never really did that.
Duncan plays better defense, and a much better overall game.

Shaq may be a domiant force, but he isnt the complete player Duncan is.

KG is a great player too, and makes his teammates better.... if anyone is close its not Shaq.. its Duncan and Garnett.

Maybe this year its not Shaq, but EVERY year after MJ was gone it was.

Complete player or not, If the NBA had a draft the year MJ left, and all players were entered, the first and foremost player pick is Wilt Chamberneezee, hands down.

Duncan may play slightly better D, but not noticeably. Shaq was/is a presence and a half in the middle. The guy doesn't even need to play defense, cuz teams don't go inside on him.

And Bro, FEW could score on Shaq, and he could score on ANYone.....You know how they invented an entire new concept in trying to stop him: *Hack-a-Shaq*. That's b/c he was UNSTOPPable.

Posted by: ponyboy

How about this: if you started a franchise now, and then you were going to start an expansion team in 2007?

Now: KG or Shaq - either can be a one man show on an average team and still get them into the playoffs every year.

In 3 years: Lebron. I think last year he proved that he has the ability to play with a crappy team and bring them up a level. Melo would be a close second, for sure but he had a better team around him.

Posted by: Cold Iron

once again VC

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Arnie's left nu

once again VC

Vince Coleman?

Posted by: troubador

i voted lebron, shaq's past his prime. tim duncans to boring for me to have to watch all the time. KG maybe, but lebron is so good for being so young. And he is a team player and understands the game. of course he could end up not getting any better, like daruis miles ( i think he was suppose to be the next KG).

Posted by: camarosuper6

boring?

strange people

Posted by: soxmuscle

Why is Lebron James' name even being mentioned. You don't start a franchise with one dimensional shooting guard/small forward and even if I was, I would choose most likely Kobe Bryant.

Posted by: Cold Iron

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Vince Coleman?

Wince Harder....I mean Vince Carter sucka

Posted by: Cold Iron

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

boring?

strange people

TD is boring to a lot of people, that's why he's called "the big fundamental"

Posted by: Cold Iron

Nah...if i was starting a franchise, I would gotta start it with Chris Bosh

.....the next KG

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Anybody who claims that Shaq dominated all his career has little knowledge of basketball history...

Hakeem? David? Patrick? Alonzo?

He was dwarfed by the play of these giants. Okay, not dwarfed, but anyone who tries to say that Shaq is the greatest center of the last two decades would be wrong..

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

I wouldn't start anything around KG, who has been in the league a year longer than Tim Duncan and has no rings.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Shaq was only the best center in the league once he teamed with Kobe.

He got his ass kicked many times by some of the elite center before he had that help.

But you got so many people suckin his dick, youll never get them to admit it.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

I would have picked Hakeem over Shaq (in their respective primes), any day of the week. Not Robinson or Ewing though.

Posted by: gr81

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I wouldn't start anything around KG, who has been in the league a year longer than Tim Duncan and has no rings.

rings don't make a player great, there are so many pieces of the puzzle that have to fall in place for as team to win, and basketball is a team game. A player can be great and not win champoinships, no question about it! By that rational btw that would make Bill Russel the greatest player ever.

Now Shaq was dominated by the centers mentioned, but lets remember that he was young and they were in their prime. He now has no competition and is still the best. Duncan is NOT as dominant as shaq was, sorry guys, its just not true. I am nto even a shaq fan, I would take hakeem over him any day of the week, but Duncan does not make his teammates better period. You guys are taking the homer mentality too far. Garnett is a far better overall playrer than Duncan. He has more heart, and more drive, he is a better shooter, better passer, better rebounder, and plays a better team game than duncan. Garnett can take his man off the dribble and shoot from a longer range, he shoots freethrow better as well. And for the record you two D rob was a far better player than Duncan will ever be...

Posted by: camarosuper6

Boy GR81, you wanna duke it out today er what boy?

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Garnett is a far better overall playrer than Duncan. He has more heart, and more drive, he is a better shooter, better passer, better rebounder, and plays a better team game than duncan

I disagree on all of the above. Garnett probably has more pure talent than Duncan and is more athletic than Duncan, but that is where it stops. He defintely does not have this HUGE heart. Dont confuse heart with emotion. Garnett just doenst know how to control his temper very well. Garnett is a great passer, DOES make teammates better, and shoots well. At least as good as Duncan, maybe better, maybe not.

I think Duncan has more heart, and has better play in the clutch. Duncan and Garnett are a throw-up as far as their games go. But because Duncan has two rings and because of his leadership of his team, he gets the edge in my book.

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Duncan does not make his teammates better period

What the fuq are you smoking? Duncan probably makes his teammates better than anyone in the league with the exception of KG and Jason Kidd.

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And for the record you two D rob was a far better player than Duncan will ever be...

IMO, DROB was the most naturally talented center (with the exception of Hakeem) to ever play in the NBA.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Whatever.

Duncan almost recorded a quad double in an NBA finals game. You confuse emotion, losing your cool, and acting animated with heart. Showing your emotion leaves you vulnerable imo, I don't play anything while showing emotion but that doesn't mean because some idiot dances around and cusses he has more heart than me.

I hardly hear anyone argue that there is a more fundamentally perfect basketball player alive today than Duncan. Don't confuse athleticism with superior ability. Garnett and Duncan are similiar in a lot of ways, but the idea that he's vastly over Duncan would be more ridiculous than us being homers. Might he be better? Yeah, but I don't think so.

Duncan is the reason the Spurs have rings. You can argue whatever you want about rings having nothing to do with greatness, but I disagree with that. 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks in the clinching game of the NBA finals. That's great, "homer" or not.

Nobody said that Duncan was more dominant than Shaq.

Posted by: min0 lee

These poll were actually done by the NBA's 30 general managers, who were recently polled by the league on 50 topics. Here are some of the results.

Tim Duncan - 48%
Kevin Garnett - 29%
LeBron James - 14%
Shaquille O'Neal - 10%

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Anybody who claims that Shaq dominated all his career has little knowledge of basketball history...

Hakeem? David? Patrick? Alonzo?

He was dwarfed by the play of these giants. Okay, not dwarfed, but anyone who tries to say that Shaq is the greatest center of the last two decades would be wrong..

WHAT?????????

Bro, he faced those guys in their primes when he wasn't in his yet. Not to mention he was on the HORRENDOUS Magic, while Hakeem was on a championship team.

Shaq is one of the top two centers of all time. Him and Chamberlain, BY FAR.

Yes, Hakeem, David and Patrick are up there, but the Daddy was more unstoppable in HIS prime than any of the others. See: *HACK-A-SHAQ*
And I can't believe you even mention Alonzo in the same sentence.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

I wouldn't start anything around KG, who has been in the league a year longer than Tim Duncan and has no rings.

KG SHITs on Duncan.

The guy is a league above anyone else this year and last.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

I watch every KG - TD matchup, and I've never seen KG shit on him. Not ever. In fact, the back and forth they have is quite awesome.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

I watch every KG - TD matchup, and I've never seen KG shit on him. Not ever. In fact, the back and forth they have is quite awesome.

I'm not saying 1 on 1^, (which i'd def. rather have KG on my team), but rather in general.

My point was: There is no player in the league as good as KG this year (or last).

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

I don't see that the same way...what KG does is certainly louder, more boisterous, and top 2 or 3 in the league. But Tim Duncan, statistically and in terms of leadership, does it as well or nearly as well (last year and the year before).

KG was the MVP last year, i concede, but to put him that high above Duncan isn't right imo. They are competitively close together, and this year will expose any divide (if any) between them..

Posted by: camarosuper6

KG cant even spell shit.

I believe hes on the same level as Duncan, but to say hes better, its STUPID. If KG was that great he would have at LEAST more than one trip past the first round of the damn PLAYOFFS.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

KG cant even spell shit.

I believe hes on the same level as Duncan, but to say hes better, its STUPID. If KG was that great he would have at LEAST more than one trip past the first round of the damn PLAYOFFS.

Come on, man.
One guy can't lead a team, esp. in the West of the past few years.

Why's it stupid to say he's better? He is.

Just cuz your a Spurs fan you're biased. Guess what? I'm NOT a KG/Wolves fan OR Shaq/Lakers fan, but you know what? Shaq WAS the best player since MJ, and KG IS the best player in the league the last 2 years.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks.

Not only is that a 20/20 game, not only is it a triple double; it's 2 blocked shots shy of a quad double, in a clinching NBA finals game. Why is KG better than Duncan again?

I have seen nothing to indicate that KG is better..

Posted by: ponyboy

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks.

Not only is that a 20/20 game, not only is it a triple double; it's 2 blocked shots shy of a quad double, in a clinching NBA finals game. Why is KG better than Duncan again?

I have seen nothing to indicate that KG is better..

Umm...that was one game, dude. Yeah it's quite an accomplishment, but one game does not a season make. Last year KG's season overall was better - at least better enough for him to get voted league MVP. And saying KG isn't good because his team doesn't get past the first round of the playoffs isn't valid - it's like saying Vince Carter isn't a good player because his team and coaching suck (although I think he's hugely overrated and a crybaby he's still talented).

Posted by: camarosuper6

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And saying KG isn't good because his team doesn't get past the first round of the playoffs isn't valid -

Then why were DROB, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone taking so much heat for not being able to deliver their team to the championship?

KG is a great player. But I dont see how he is better than Tim. What has he accomplished that Tim has not. When Tim has accomplished quite a bit KG has not.

Equal.. ok. Better, no way.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

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Originally Posted by Flex

WHAT?????????

Bro, he faced those guys in their primes when he wasn't in his yet. Not to mention he was on the HORRENDOUS Magic, while Hakeem was on a championship team.

You're getting confused now. The 95 Magic had one of the most talented teams in the league. Argueably, the best starting five out there. They were heavily favored over the Rockets. The only reason they got their asses handed to them was because Hakeem was able to dominate Shaq. (And cause Nick Anderson couldn't hit a clutch free throw if his life depended on it.

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As for KG vs. Duncan....KG is flashier and certainly has more pure talent, but Duncan just has a more dominating presence at both ends of the court. (And you can't say I'm biased. I'm a Knicks fan, I'd kill for either of these guys to come to NY.

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Posted by: Duncans Donuts

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Umm...might I remind you AFTER that game he won the Finals MVP, the Regular season MVP that year (and the year before), had what many consider to be one of the best if not the best clinching finals performances statistically EVER.

And who the hell said KG isn't good? Where did you make that up from? I've said repeatedly that KG and TD are close equals, but because TD has accomplished more and is almost statistically identical against the same foes, I would take Duncan.

KG has the talent around him to win the Finals. If he doesn't, it will be placed on him, just like when the Spurs lost the Lakers after their 99 championship run, it was blamed on Duncan. This seems perfectly fair to me.

Also, the notion that me and my brother are complete Spurs homers and therefore don't know basketball is nonsense. I'm not a homer because I believe Tim is the best player in the league. I would be if I claimed Tony Parker was a top 3 point guard, or Manu is in the same league as Kobe.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

EXACTLY

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

OOOOOHHH, now it makes sense. I knew camaro was a hometowner cuz of his sigs, but i didnt even TD was a hometown boy of yours until you said so, now i get it.

Dude, about Duncan's MVP year, i wasn't saying he didn't have a great year. My ENTIRE arguement from the beginning was that after MJ left, Shaq was the best player in the league, until last year, where KG took over. That's it. I'm not saying TD isn't good, sure he is. But you keep comparing his winning to KG's, when you can't. Is Steve Kerr great b/c he won like 5 rings? No, obviously not. He was on a winning TEAM. Duncan's teams of the past years have been MUCH better than KG's. So its really not even fair to compare their success.

The BOTTOM line is this....last year, if there was a draft where all players were entered into a pool, the first player chosen would've been KG, hands down. (and i'm a Celts fan, so i'm TOTALLY unbiased)

Posted by: camarosuper6

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Is Steve Kerr great b/c he won like 5 rings?

Yep. Hes clutch.

Shaq was the most dominant player in the league during the championship years. When TD beat Shaq in the West Semi's he offically became the heir to Shaq's throne so to speak. Where was KG in all this? At home.. thats where. KG had decent teams too. Its not like he was playing on horrible teams. It is the Captains job to make his team as good as it can be, and he did not do that. All team leaders take the brunt for their teams not doing as well as supposed to.

KG was the best player in the league LAST year. But there isnt a player in the league that can guard either player.

If you put them side by side... compare stats, and numbers... etc.. they are almost equal.

So how do you decide who is better... rings, and clutch performances. Duncan wins that catagory hands down.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

It's close, but I think TD has a better resume. KG has been in the league 2 years longer than Duncan.

Kevin Garnett: Rookie year 95-96 (10th year in league)
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10.80 4.4 1.40 1.78 2.57 2.50 20.0

Tim Duncan: Rookie year 97-98 (8th year in league)
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
12.30 3.2 .80 2.53 3.08 2.80 22.8

How is KG shitting on Duncan? Pretty close stats - Duncan averaging more points, boards, and blocks; KG has more steals and assists, with a pretty close turnover margin.

They even almost average the same number of minutes per game (38.2 to 38.9).

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

OMG dude.

You know why KG was at home? He had decent teams? NO, BECAUSE HIS TEAM SUCKED. His entire career he has had NO help.

And its the captain's job to make the team he's on better? Come on man. It's basketball. Unless your MJ, how much can one player POSSIBLY do? Look at EVERY team thats EVER won a championship. Its NOT a one man show, EVER. The big 3 on Boston. Magic, Kareem and Worthy. Isaih, and the bad boys. Shaq and Kobe. TD and his TEAM. KG has had NO ONE.

And to your last part, NO, YOU DON'T decide who's better by rings and special performances. I'm a HUGE Pats fan. Brady has TWO SB MVPS and TWO SB RINGS. How many does P-Manning have? But you know what? IMO PMann is better.

TD NEVER took over the "throne" as best player. It went from Shaq to KG last year.

I'm done in this thread. It's IMPOSSIBLE to argue with fans of players you argue about.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

How is KG shitting on Duncan? Pretty close stats - Duncan averaging more points, boards, and blocks; KG has more steals and assists, with a pretty close turnover margin.

How?
B/C KG has had NO team, EVER.

TD has OBVIOUSLY been on good teams, they WON rings. He had Drob, a top 50 player of all time. Not to mention pretty good guards along the way to bear the brunt of winning.

The closest thing to a player KG has had until last year (...Spree) was Wally Sczerbiak. WOO HOO>

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Yeah, you've made a fantastic case for why KG is better than Duncan. With one trip past the second round, and teams he's been around that you claim are completely horrid (when the Spurs won two years ago they had an immature, inconsistent parker, a rookie ginobili, and a david robinson who was way way old - nobody thought the Spurs would dethrone the Lakers that year).

When did KG take something from Shaq? When the Twolves lost to the Lakers last year?

I guess your gut feeling should be a good enough reason for all of us "homers" who have no idea what we're talkin about

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Let's assume that your right, TD has had much better talent around him (99 I agree with that contention). So that's why TD has the rings and the 2 MVPs, OKAY pretend that I buy that. Again, why is KG shitting on TD, when their stats are almost identical?

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Again, why is KG shitting on TD, when their stats are almost identical?

For the last time, because he had NO TEAM around him, you can't judge the Spurs success vs. the Wolves success as a factor. Sure, you could make a case that players like Iverson and McGrady shined being the only star on their respective teams, but its a different scenario, b/c they are pure scorers, not overall players like KG and TD.

But what you can do with that, is say that KG had slightly better stats on a SHITTY team, which is more difficult to do, b/c they know he's gonna get the ball.

Look bro, there's obviously no right answer. IMO KG is better. He can bang 3's, he's smoother and a better overall player (last year as well). I believe that if you asked any analyst or anything like that for their .02, they'd agree. But then again, what do they know?

This time, I'm really out. No more responses from me, cuz its like trying to listen to a yankee fan tell me the Sox got lucky

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Don't fucking degrade my opinion by saying this nonsense:

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This time, I'm really out. No more responses from me, cuz its like trying to listen to a yankee fan tell me the Sox got lucky.

How you compare my opinion to an excuse? First of all, I already demonstrated to you how TD has better stats. On a worse team KG should have better stats. The consensus still seems to be split between who is better, and it's close.

Don't fake bowing out gracefully by demeaning what I believe with that bullshit "cuz its like trying to listen to a yankee fan tell me the Sox got lucky." That's cheap.

Posted by: min0 lee

Did I start this?

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Don't fucking degrade my opinion by saying this nonsense:

First of all, I already demonstrated to you how TD has better stats.

Relax, tough guy.
On a worse team you SHOULD have better stats? You sure?
You won't score as much b/c teams are gunnin' for you with double and triple teams since your the only player on the squad, which makes you go for assists, but don't get 'em cuz your team can't hit the lost mid range jumper. WIth the exception of AI and McGrady, who are guard scorers, NBA players, and most especially big men, WON'T have better stats, b/c D's just crash down low when the big men get the ball and give the other 4 thier shot.

You SURE TD has better stats? Don't think so.
KG FG% FT% REB ASS TO STL BLK PTS
2002 50% 79 13 6 3 1 1 23 2003 50% 79 14 5 3 2 2 24
2004 53% 65 15 7 3 2 2 26

TD
2002 51 71 13 4 3 1 3 23
2003 50 60 12 3 3 1 3 22
2004 46 77 13 2 3 1 2 24

Bowing out gracefully? that's cute, let me tell ya. It's just pointless for me to argue cuz you're a Spurs fan, plain and simple. You have your opinion, i have mine. I compared it to argueing with a NY fan, one of whom its obviously IMPOSSIBLE to agree with b/c of their fan support. what's degrading about that?

Posted by: Cold Iron

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

It's close, but I think TD has a better resume. KG has been in the league 2 years longer than Duncan.

Kevin Garnett: Rookie year 95-96 (10th year in league)
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10.80 4.4 1.40 1.78 2.57 2.50 20.0

Tim Duncan: Rookie year 97-98 (8th year in league)
RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
12.30 3.2 .80 2.53 3.08 2.80 22.8

How is KG shitting on Duncan? Pretty close stats - Duncan averaging more points, boards, and blocks; KG has more steals and assists, with a pretty close turnover margin.

They even almost average the same number of minutes per game (38.2 to 38.9).

I think youre forgetting the fact KG came into the league straight from HS. It took 3 yrs for KG to build up to numbers even remotly close to what TD was averaging as soon as stepped in.

Stats arent the end all, but since you busted them first...

LAST 3 yrs (recent first)

TD

PTS REBS ASST STLS BLOCKS
24.5 13.5 2 .6 2.3
22 12.5 3 1 2.7
23 13 4 .7 3

KG
26 15 6.5 1.4 2.25
24 14 5 1.5 2.2
23 13.5 6 1.4 1.6

EDIT- Shit Flex beat me to it...i started this post at halftime and left it till the end of regulation to finish it

but whatever....its still all about KG

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

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Originally Posted by Flex

Relax, tough guy.
On a worse team you SHOULD have better stats? You sure?

Yes, completely.

Of course I never bought into the idea that Minnesota was so terrible as a team, no worse than the Spurs when they won the championship in 2003, but in terms of double and triple teams Tim Duncan, Shaq, and KG are probably evened up in terms of how often they draw this. Regardless of the talent around them, they'll get the double teams every time.

But if you are on a bad team, and you're the best, you'll get more attempts. I'm glad you looked up stats, too. I posted career stats (ignored) and even though Tim Duncan had better overall, I conceded that they were too close to draw a huge distinction between the players. The last 3 years are equally close, yet Tim Duncan gets shit on by KG. Right.

Doing more research, though, Tim Duncan played less minutes (minus the last year Duncan won MVP), and Tim Duncan shot higher percentages every year (never sinking below .500). Here's the averages:

TD FGP: .507
KG FGP: .490

TD MGP: 38.8
KG MPG: 39.7

The point being not that TD is better because of these stats, but that they are RIDICULOUSLY close to each other.

Frankly, I don't care what you think about all this, but to compare me to a Yankee fan making excuses is stupid. I believe TD is better than KG, sure, but to say KG shits on Duncan...

As for KG coming out of High School....uuh, so? Should we negate a year because you don't feel like it counted?

Posted by: camarosuper6

Its close, but no way KG SHITS on Duncan. The one thing you cannot measure is leadership and Duncan could tea-bag KG in that catagory any day.

And why even bring Vince into this argument. If I wanted a bust, Id go buy a bra.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Of course I never bought into the idea that Minnesota was so terrible as a team, no worse than the Spurs when they won the championship in 2003

Spurs won in 2003. Hmmm, that's funny

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Tim Duncan shot higher percentages every year (never sinking below .500). Here's the averages:[/QUOTE]

well, since you're getting technical, he shot 46% in 2003.

[/QUOTE]I believe TD is better than KG, sure, but to say KG shits on Duncan...

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Oh ok. that's what you guys are getting a kick out of. Pardon my french, KG doesn't shit on Duncan, he is BETTER than Duncan.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Frankly, I don't care what you think about all this, but to compare me to a Yankee fan making excuses is stupid.

You're still hung up on this, huh?

For the last time, its not that you were making excuses, i compared you to a NY fan b/c that's what argueing is like, trying to tell a NY fan the Sox are better. got it?

Posted by: camarosuper6

You cant be that agiated. Paul Pierce hit the game winner last night.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

02-03 SAS 81 81 39.3 .513

The last bit is the field goal percentage during the championship year. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?

Posted by: Cold Iron

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

As for KG coming out of High School....uuh, so? Should we negate a year because you don't feel like it counted?

Hardly. Of course it counts, but if you want to compare careers like you were doing, it doest give an accurate reflection. If TD came into the league from HS, then sure. So I made it a 3 yr comparision of the last 3yrs, that way neither player is handicapped.

Posted by: Cold Iron

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Its close, but no way KG SHITS on Duncan. The one thing you cannot measure is leadership and Duncan could tea-bag KG in that catagory any day.

And why even bring Vince into this argument. If I wanted a bust, Id go buy a bra.

If you can't measure it, hows is TD that much better?

Theyre both great leaders, eahc having their own unique style. They both lead by example and that is the only thing that matters

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Measure statistically is what he meant.

Posted by: gr81

well the difference is not measurable, lets be real. I mena I like Garnett better personally, but Duncan is an amazing basketball player and yes, one of the most fundamentally sounds players wee have seen come into this league of fundamentally inept shooters. You can't go wrong with either one as yrou franchise and I think when its all said and done both will have champoinships. Its really just personal preference

Posted by: Doublebase

Everyone of them is an excellent player. I would pick Lebron because of his youth and potential.

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