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Posted by: min0 lee

Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line past or present?

Sorry I was bored....

Posted by: Arnie's left nu

Vince Carter

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Mark Madsen

Posted by: camarosuper6

Shawn Bradley.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

John "fuckin undersized choke artist cost us the championship in 94" Starks.

Posted by: min0 lee

Magic, Bird, Jordan, Reggie (The Fag) Miller.

Posted by: jack52

Jerry West or Young Kareem

Posted by: Newt

Spud Webb! LMFAO. 5'3"

Posted by: Flex

you guys are good....
Sean Bradley?

Ever? Obviously Jordan. Or i'd take Magic or Bird next.

Present? Kobe, Pierce, TMac.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

Darko Milicrap!!!

Posted by: ponyboy

Past: Larry Bird - no question - best jump shooter ever.

Present: Garnett or Miller. Miller always makes those annoying three balls just when you want them to hurry up and lose.

Posted by: gr81

Dale Ellis was a better pure shooter than Bird IMO, obviously not more of a clutch player or better player in general, but a better shooter. Man that cat could shoot, even with a sliver of daylight and a milisecond. Too bad he couldn't create his own shot for shit

Posted by: Jeeper

Bird - No Question Then magic and Isaih

Posted by: Flex

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Dale Ellis was a better pure shooter than Bird IMO, obviously not more of a clutch player or better player in general, but a better shooter. Man that cat could shoot, even with a sliver of daylight and a milisecond. Too bad he couldn't create his own shot for shit

Larry Bird or Dale Ellis

I'll take Larry Bird 99.99/100% of the time

Posted by: Flex

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Bird - No Question Then magic and Isaih

No MJ?

Posted by: Jeeper

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No MJ?

He would be fourth on my list. Bird would be the clear winner with the others 3 coming in very close to each other. It is a tough call though

Posted by: ponyboy

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No MJ?

MJ wasn't a major clutch shot taker - however he could take over an offense and dominate a game better than anyone just by being on the floor. He could shift momentum in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Flex

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MJ wasn't a major clutch shot taker

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

you MUST be mistaking, I'm talking about Michael, not Magic.

Michael Jordan is the most clutch ATHLETE in sports history, nevermind just basketball.

I mean damn, i have a tape called "NBA's Awesome Endings". Literally about half the tape is about Jordan, and that's before he even won most of his championships. about 1/3 was about Bird and Magic, and the rest everyone else.

Posted by: Flex

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He would be fourth on my list. Bird would be the clear winner with the others 3 coming in very close to each other. It is a tough call though

It's hard to believe you guys are being serious

Trust me, bro.

Larry Bird is one of my top 2 favorite players of all time (the other being Michael). I'm a HUGE Celtics fan. and there is no doubt in my mind MJ is the most clutch EVER.

Posted by: MaxMirkin

If we're gonna be all serious about this, then I agree with Flex. Jordan all the way, Bird 2nd.

Posted by: min0 lee

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If we're gonna be all serious about this, then I agree with Flex. Jordan all the way, Bird 2nd.

Dear lord, he has changed.

What happened to your quick wit, your acid tongue....... dude?

I think I know what happened to you.......

MAXMIRKIN

Posted by: MaxMirkin

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Dear lord, he has changed.

What happened to your quick wit, your acid tongue....... dude?

I think I know what happened to you.......

MAXMIRKIN

What, I'm not allowed to make a real post, once in a while?

Posted by: min0 lee

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What, I'm not allowed to make a real post, once in a while?

HE'S AN IMPOSTER!

Posted by: gr81

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Larry Bird or Dale Ellis

I'll take Larry Bird 99.99/100% of the time

of course man, you didn't read my entire post. Bird is ten times the player that Ellis was, but I was referring to being a pure shooter, Ellis was incredible. Of course everyone would take Bird, theres no contest. Lets not forget thou that until Reggie Miller Took over number one, Ellis was the all time leader in 3 ptrs, and Miller had played longer. Ellis also averaged 27 pts per game at one point in his career.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Pure Talent...Bobby Jones was awesome before injuries killed him.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Pure Talent...Bobby Jones was awesome before injuries killed him.

Who the hell is he?

Google searched and found a golfer.

Posted by: Jeeper

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Originally Posted by Flex

It's hard to believe you guys are being serious

Trust me, bro.

Larry Bird is one of my top 2 favorite players of all time (the other being Michael). I'm a HUGE Celtics fan. and there is no doubt in my mind MJ is the most clutch EVER.

I'll explain my position. If my team was down 5 points then I want the ball in Jordans hands every time since he is so versitile. If it is just one last 15ft jump shot for the game then I would still pick Bird since he was such and incredible shooter. I would definately pick Bird if it was a 3 pointer to win the game. I am thinking of having to take an actual shot versus whose hands would I want the ball in. 10 seconds left and down by one give it to MJ. Just the shot then give it to Bird if that makes any sense.

Posted by: Flex

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10 seconds left and down by one give it to MJ. Just the shot then give it to Bird if that makes any sense.

WTF?

isn't that the same thing?

How many game winning shots, or just more clutch performances must MJ have had to see what i see? he was the greatest player of any sport, and the greatest player there ever will be of any sport.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Bobby Jones played on the 76ers right before and around the time Barkely got there.

Posted by: camarosuper6

Seriously, MJ was super clutch. As is Robert Horry. As is Larry Bird.

I think overall MJ was the most clutch because he was not only clutch on offense, but defense and everything else as wel.

Posted by: Flex

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I think overall MJ was the most clutch because he was not only clutch on offense, but defense and everything else as wel.

Not to mention alls he did was win. How many MJ game winners can you name of the top of your head? i bet more than any other player. Not to mention NBA Championships, MVP's, AllStar MVPs, All Star voting, Dunk Contests, All NBA Defensive 1st teams, Scoring titles. oh, did i forget blackjack?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Nowadays probably Kobe (as much as I hate him) and back in the day I'd hafta say no other than Jordan

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Oh yeah Steve Kerr was always a great shooter...

Posted by: gr81

you always want tha ball in the hands of Michael with the clock tickin, no matter what. No question about it, no one has hit more game winning shots then him

Posted by: Jeeper

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Originally Posted by Flex

WTF?

isn't that the same thing?

How many game winning shots, or just more clutch performances must MJ have had to see what i see? he was the greatest player of any sport, and the greatest player there ever will be of any sport.

I dont consider it exactly the same. One is a pure shot and one is ball handling.

It is a pretty bold statement to say he is the best ever in any sport. Especially in the future since no one has any possible idea what can happen. I think there were definately some athletes that were more dominant in their own sports as compared to Jordan. I would even argue that Wilt was more dominant than Jordan in Basketball.

Posted by: Flex

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It is a pretty bold statement to say he is the best ever in any sport.

Um, no its not

I honestly don't understand what you're missing? He was voted the #1 athlete on ESPN's 100 greatest athletes. take a look at his resume....
Career Highlights:
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115) Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes

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I think there were definately some athletes that were more dominant in their own sports as compared to Jordan. I would even argue that Wilt was more dominant than Jordan in Basketball.

Wilt? Nah. Bill Russell used to own Wilt. and one year even Willis Reed stopped him in the finals.

Face the facts....
MJ = #1

Posted by: Flex

and btw......

Bird and Magic are better than Wilt. Wilt comes 4th in an All NBA all time draft.

Posted by: Jeeper

I am a huge MJ fan but his dominance is overated. I was talking more about dominance. Today Wilt wouldnt be one of the best centers but at his time he was unstoppable. His teams sucked too much to win championship. I am talking about individual dominance. Plus Jordan wouldnt have won as many championships if Magic didnt retire from HIV.

An ESPN title is meaningless to me since it is dominated by popular sports and not overall dominance in a sport. For example the greatst cyclist in history (Eddy Merckz) is not even on the list eventhough the tour de france was the most attended sporting event in the world. It is completely biased. Of course comparing different sports with athletes from different times is totally impossible and really any comparison is really sujbectively leaning toward the evaluators favorite sport.

Wilts stats......
NBA Rookie of the Year (1960)

NBA Most Valuable Player (1960, 1966, 1967, 1968)

All-NBA First Team (1960-62, 1964-68)

All-NBA Second Team (1963, 1965, 1972)

NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972, 1973)

NBA Finals MVP (1972)
Holds the NBA Finals record for most rebounds (41, April 5, 1967 vs. Boston)

Scored 53 points as a rookie against Syracuse (March 14, 1960)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1960), after scoring 23 points with 25 rebounds

Thirteen-time NBA All-Star (1960-69, 1971-73)

Holds the career All-Star Game record for most rebounds (197)

Holds the single-game All-Star record for most points (42) in 1962

NBA championships with the Philadelphia 76ers (1967) and Los Angeles Lakers (1972)

Scored 31,419 points (30.1 ppg) in 1,045 pro games, best in the league when he retired; currently second all-time behind
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Led the NBA in scoring seven straight years (1960-66), including a career-high 50.4 ppg in 1962

Holds single game record for points in one game (100, March 2, 1962) against the New York Knicks in Hershey, PA

Scored 78 points against Los Angeles in three overtimes (Dec. 8, 1961)

Scored 73 points vs. Chicago (Jan. 13, 1962)

Scored 72 points against Los Angeles (Nov. 3, 1962)

Scored 50 or more points 118 times

Scored 50 or more points 45 times in the 1961-62 season, including seven consecutively (Dec. 16-29, 1961)

Scored 40 points or more 271 times

Scored 40 or more points 63 times in the 1961-62 season; 52 times in the 1962-63 season

Scored 40 or more points 14 straight times (Dec. 8-30, 1961)

Scored 30 or more points 65 straight times (Nov. 4, 1961 - Feb. 22, 1962); had a 31-game and a 25-game 30-point streak

Holds single-game record for most points by a rookie (58, Jan. 25, 1960 vs. the Detroit Pistons)

Made 35 consecutive shots (Feb. 17-28, 1967)

Went 18 of 18 from the field against the Baltimore Bullets (Feb. 24, 1967)

Led the league in field goal percentage nine times (1961, 1963, 1965-69, 1972)

Holds record for most free throws attempted (11,862)

Grabbed 23,924 rebounds (22.9 rpg), best in history in both number and per game average

Holds seasonal records for most minutes (3,338, 41.7 mpg), most points (4,029), points per game (50.4), field goals made (1,597) and field goals attempted (3,159), all in 1962

Holds the rookie record for most points (2,707, 37.6 ppg) and rebounds (1,941, 27.0 rpg) in 1960

Led the league in rebounding 11 times (1960-63, 1966-69, 1971-73)

Led the league in minutes seven times (1961-64, 1966-68)

In the 1968 season, averaged 24.3 ppg, 23.8 rpg and 8.3 assists per game

NBA 35th Anniversary All-Time Team (1980)

NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)

Ranks second all-time in scoring with 31,419 points (30.1 ppg)

Ranks second all-time in rebounding 23,924 rebounds (22.9 rpg)

Posted by: Flex

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Today Wilt wouldnt be one of the best centers but at his time he was unstoppable.

No, he wasn't. Bill Russell stopped him when they played, and so did Willis Reed, as i stated above.

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His teams sucked too much to win championship.

His teams sucked?????? When he was on the Lakers, he had Jerry West and Elgin Baylor!!!!!!!!!! They did NOT suck.

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Plus Jordan wouldnt have won as many championships if Magic didnt retire from HIV.

HA! Ya right.

Bro, just do me a favor. Ask EVERY person you see tommorow who the best player ever in the NBA is. Then ask who the best athlete ever is. GUARENTEED 95% say MJ. Sure, what do these people know? Maybe nothing. But they do know Michael.

Posted by: Flex

On top of ALL that i already mentioned, what do you think is more impressive?...

We both say Wilt is the best player in the entire era before Jordan. And we'll say Jordan is the best after he entered the league.

This is pure speculation, but i think it makes sense....

I think it shows more to be the best in an era when there are MUCH BETTER players (nowadays), then to be the best in an era where you dominated because you were so much bigger than everyone.

Posted by: Flex

this is making me itch to create a new thread just to get people's opinions.... check it out when u get a chance, jeeper...

Posted by: Jeeper

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Originally Posted by Flex

On top of ALL that i already mentioned, what do you think is more impressive?...

We both say Wilt is the best player in the entire era before Jordan. And we'll say Jordan is the best after he entered the league.

This is pure speculation, but i think it makes sense....

I think it shows more to be the best in an era when there are MUCH BETTER players (nowadays), then to be the best in an era where you dominated because you were so much bigger than everyone.

Good point... But I still would say that Wilt was more dominant at the time. He got beat and shut down but so did Jordan. Jordan started to win championships after magic left and the Lakers Piston and Celtics fell apart. He was good before but still never got a championship until it was over. Whether each would have won is total speculation but the Pistons and lakers were the best at the start of the 90's. Losing Magic devastated the Lakers.

I looked over the ESPN list and they say that 23 of the greates 100 athletes are baseball. That is ridiculous. They are not near the level of athletes as other sports.

Posted by: camarosuper6

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Plus Jordan wouldnt have won as many championships if Magic didnt retire from HIV.

Wow. NOT EVEN CLOSE with this one. I took think Jordan is the best athlete of his sport, ever.

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Bill Russell stopped him when they played, and so did Willis Reed, as i stated above.

Negative. No one stopped Wilt, much like Shaq. Russell played him well, but it was Russells celts that really gave him the edge.

And I think Wilt would be a top center in the game today as well. Remember this guy had a 53 inch vertical leap at 7'2. Unreal.

Posted by: Duncans Donuts

Jordan ,duh

Posted by: gr81

its impossible to compare eras, but Wilt was, relatively speaking, the most dominant player in basketball history. The players of Jordans are are more athletic in almost every facet and I think that has one thing to do with it, plus a 7 footer then and 7 footer now is a completely different thing. Wilt would have been successful in todays game IMO, not to the extent he was. Russell certainly never dominated him, it was the opposite. The Celts won more championships but they had better teams. Wilt certainly didn;t dominate b/c of his size soly, you have to look at the mobility and intensity of his game. Just like Shaq, when someone of that size is able to have that kind of mobility and footwork, they are going to dominant. Wilt could be a top centere in the league in most eras, no question. And if you disagree I would argue that you haven't seen him play enough. Its easy to discredit players that come from earlier eras b/c you have only seen highlights and not their day in day out play.
As far as the clutch shooting, Jordan or Bird you couldn't really go wrong. You would have to have Reggie Miller in his prime on that list. I personally would take Jordan juts out of personal preference, I am sure that if I was a Cetls fan I would take Bird. But lookin at Jordans history, he has the most composure and makes the best decisions with the pressure on, whether its creating a shot for John Paxson or Steve Kerr, or finding a way to get a shot off for himself, I think time andtime again he has proved to be the most cluthc player the league has seen

Posted by: JOHNYORK

bulls beat lakers in 91 finals jeeper.
jordans bulls dominated when i feel nba was at its best during the 90s.

Posted by: god hand

Horry or Jordan

Posted by: themamasan

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Originally Posted by Jeeper

Jordan and the bulls beat Magic's lakers for their first championship. And that wasn't the bulls' best years. Those followed. If Magic stayed he would have only gotten beat repeatedly.

Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever to play the game, and the best clutch player. Physically speaking he was a prime athlete, from what I remember 3.9% body fat (I would double-check that). Many recognized that he perfected the fundamentals of basketball long before he wooed the crowd with amazing plays. I seriously doubt any one will be as good as he was.

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