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Posted by: DOMS

I was checking out the M1T tablets at bulknutrition. Each tablet has 5mg of M1T, but reading Roberts recommended M1T & 4AD stack (about 4/5 down the page), it states that you should take 300mg-500mg oral. That would be 60 to 100 tablets.

I think I missing something. What might it be?

Posted by: MTN WARRIOR

5-20 mg max. You should start out at 5 mg, particularly if 1st time. You could increase 5 mg per week if no sides and if not seeing results. Many people get results with 5mg, but some, like myself, like 20mg. 20 mg will shut you down though, sides are guaranteed almost and you are pounding the shit out of your liver.

Posted by: Pirate!

Either you are reading about a different supplement, or it is a misprint.

Posted by: MTN WARRIOR

HE is referring to 1T, not M1T

Posted by: DOMS

That's my mistake then. Throughout Robert's document he refers to MIT and then in the recommended stack section he says 1T. I though he was just using some sort of short hand. Which is one of the reasons that I asked here.

MTN WARRIOR, what would be a good starting stack of M1T & 4-AD? Any recommendations on how to come off? Thanks.

Posted by: Pirate!

You need tamoxifen citrate (aka Nolva) for PCT, IMO.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

...but reading Roberts recommended M1T & 4AD stack (about 4/5 down the page), it states that you should take 300mg-500mg oral. That would be 60 to 100 tablets.

I think I missing something. What might it be?

do not know what you're reading?

Methyl 1-Test (aka M1T)

Methyl 1-Test is 1-testosterone with an alteration to the molecule that allows it to pass through the liver more freely without degredation. When a compound is methylated it changes the physical structure of the compound and it tends to act differently in the body. In the case of methyl 1-test, it seems to be a much stronger anabolic without particularly androgenic sides. Methyl 1-test is being sold in 5mg and 10mg tablets, as well as in powder and solutions. Common doses are 10-30mg once daily. The side effects seem to be harsher the more you use. Some of the more common side effects reported are lethargy, decreased appetite, very painful pumps as well as high blood pressure.
Methyl 1-test is a very powerful compound and is not recommended for beginners. Methyl 1-test can be stacked with 4AD to help counteract some of these sides and give you the benefits of testosterone supplementation. I would not recommend a cycle of methyl 1-test longer than 4 weeks.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...01&postcount=8

Posted by: DOMS

I read this:

1-test + 4-AD
Price: Transdermal – very low; oral – high
Effectiveness: Very effective
Side effects: Moderate-high androgenic and low-moderate estrogenic
Recommended dosages: 1-test: 150-250 mg transdermal, 300-500 mg oral, 500-800 mg oral as 1-AD. 4-AD: 200-400 mg transdermal, 600-1200 mg oral.
Comments: This is the most popular stack, and with good reason. Transdermally, this combination produces fast and noticeable results and at a good price. Orally (usually in the form of 1-AD and 4-AD) it is more expensive but still a highly effective stack. The 1-test provides high anabolic activity while the 4-AD reduces some of the side effects and provides additional anabolism. Sex drive is usually maintained or even significantly increased. This is the #1 recommended stack for beginners who want to see good gains with a good side effect profile.

I realize it read "1-test", but up until this point you've mostly mentioned M1T. Hence, my confusion.

Posted by: Prince

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

I read this:

1-test + 4-AD
Price: Transdermal – very low; oral – high
Effectiveness: Very effective
Side effects: Moderate-high androgenic and low-moderate estrogenic
Recommended dosages: 1-test: 150-250 mg transdermal, 300-500 mg oral, 500-800 mg oral as 1-AD. 4-AD: 200-400 mg transdermal, 600-1200 mg oral.

I realize it read "1-test", but up until this point you've mostly mentioned M1T. Hence, my confusion.

that is not M1T, it is 1-test, big difference.

Posted by: DOMS

I understand that now.

Posted by: MTN WARRIOR

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

That's my mistake then. Throughout Robert's document he refers to MIT and then in the recommended stack section he says 1T. I though he was just using some sort of short hand. Which is one of the reasons that I asked here.

MTN WARRIOR, what would be a good starting stack of M1T & 4-AD? Any recommendations on how to come off? Thanks.

Read that same sticky

Posted by: QuestionGuy

i read thew whole page and did 4 hours of research today
and i gota say i got all the info in my head but still need a little help from you guys in here... it would be my first cycle ever and to be honest im scared about my body, my friend who is gona do it with me doesnt give a fuck but i care tho, i dont wanna do something im gona regret its not worth puting on 10 pounds if something is gona be wrong with my prostate or shit like that so i need you guys to further explain it to me (please)........... IM 20 and been doing this for a long time now, never did anything biger than creatine,... I was thinking of taking 1-Test (which company should i go with?) and doinf 1T for about a 2-3 week cycle on low dosages (what dosage should i use) im hoping to gain 8+ pounds on a cycle with high caloric intake and heavy lifting (i know everyone is different) now to my main point, what sides should i expect i mean i know everyone is different but am i gona get bad sides on a 3 weeks cycle? and what should i stack 1T with if stacking at all ???? can someone give me a good begginer/pussy cycle (not m1t) that is gona get me decent results????
i know i know you are probobly gona say dont take it if ur scared but i want to because i think im ready to do it and my diet and training discipline is just about perfect... thank you guys again for helping me out for more than a year now....

Posted by: musclepump

If you're scared, you're not ready.

Posted by: DOMS

I've read (in a lot of places) that you shouldn't even think of doing PH/AAS until you at least 21 years old. Your hormones haven't "finalized" yet and taking anything that messes with them (i.e. shutting down) is dangerous to your long term health.

My using PH/AAS is a matter of learning, yours is a matter of aging.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

well thanx you saved my life! common someone please i help people with stupid question all the time here, and yes i know im anoying but commonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: QuestionGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

I've read (in a lot of places) that you shouldn't even think of doing PH/AAS until you at least 21 years old. Your hormones haven't "finalized" yet and taking anything that messes with them (i.e. shutting down) is dangerous to your long term health.

My using PH/AAS is a matter of learning, yours is a matter of aging.

well thank you someone answered!!!, yes i thought about that but to be honest i want it really bad and i want to do a cycle before its banned.....................and i figured that a 2-3 week cycle should mess my body up that much, and back to the point... that is my question, if im gona be fucked on sides....... i didnt know there are any "long term" sides... i thought everything gets back to normal after like a month....

Posted by: DOMS

A few pounds of LBM aren't worth a life time of health man. Don't do it. Really, think about it, you could screw yourself up for life. For all the rest of your 60 years or so. For 6 - 10 pounds of LBM? It's not worth it.

Besides, you can always take a trip to Mexico for your 21 birthday.

As for long term sides, how about losing the ability to generate your own testosterone, losing all your sperm, and suffer biotch tits...for life...

Posted by: QuestionGuy

holy shit dude im talking about a 3 week cycle of 1T and MAYBEEEE 4AD (but most likely on only 1T) and with 6oxo after for post cycle, and i would do that just this once for 3 weeks and who the fuck knows when again, sice they are gona ban it and im gona be a Cop soon i couldnt use this stuff anyway... i just dont think that im gona fuck my body up that bad for 3 weeks but thank doe telling me, could i really screw up that bad in 3 weeks ???

Posted by: DOMS

Who knows? Everyones body is different. But consider this: the best you can hope for is ten pounds of LBM (and this is really pushing it) is worth the risk?

If you are going to do it, skip the 6-OXO and get nolva. You can buy it online. Clomid will help with bloating and gyno.

Posted by: DOMS

Keep in mind that I'm a n00b at PH/AAS too.

Posted by: musclepump

If you get nolva, you don't need clomid.

And you know man, you seem so set on doing it, just do it. You say you're scared but get pissed when people warn you; so go for it.

I'm 20 and I'm taking it, I'm not worried about any long term side effects. At 20, a lot of people are done growing; I'm not worried about shutting things like natural test production off. Yeah, if your growth plates aren't finished on their natural course, you could prevent yourself from growing--but I doubt I'm growing much anymore, so I don't worry about that much. I'm also not worried about shutting off my sack, because I doubt that's going to happen. Could it? Maybe. Then you go get artificial test from your doctor for the rest of your life--pain in the ass, not the end of the world.

Posted by: Pirate!

2-3 weeks isn't long enough for 1-T. You're not going to put on 10 lbs. of lbm in that time. Go for 4 weeks. Try S1+. Hope to keep 6-8 lbs, unless you are way below your potential size. If that is the case, you could put on almost that much with a solid workout/diet/rest combo and creatine.

Posted by: QuestionGuy

im not pissed man!!! really i like that someone cares at least, and i understand you all, I probobly will take a 2-3 week cycle but you know i doubt that i can cause any sides in 3 weeks if i do low dosage.....could I ??? damn sorry for being anoying im just chating with you guys, lol if you can help me with this i could help you with diet, heheh, im real good at that, lol

damn i feel stupid, hehe

Posted by: musclepump

Taking any dosage at all for any period of time CAN cause sides. Bad sides. HORRIBLE sides. But are the odds with that? No.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by musclepump

If you're scared, you're not ready.

I concur. You should be concerned for your health, but either you sit on the fence or jump off. Don't half-ass a cycle, though. Do it or don't.

Posted by: musclepump

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I concur.

High-5 Pirate!