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Posted by: Johnnny

I just wanted your opinions on physical characteristics that ppl tend to develop while on steroids.

I figured this was the place to ask.

This one guy at my gym about 28yrs old was about 200lbs at around 5ft8 with descent power.

He had a 275-295lbs bench press for 4-6 reps with a spotter & was fairly lean.

Then since this past August now being November, he weighs 240lbs but has become all bloated, fat & smooth BUT his bench has exploded to 405lbs for several reps & his incline bench exploded from 255lbs to 315lbs for several reps.

I also noticed he has thick zits on his back when he wears a tank top.

I'm guessing that it's some sort of Testosterone or D-Bol or both.

This would usually happen to my friends who are users who've used these compounds septerately or stacked together.

What are your opinions?

I'm not trying to stir up anything, I just wanted to know what you think.

Thanks all.

Posted by: Mudge

What do you want an opinion on? Acne is ugly that is my opinion. You dont have to deal with acne on a cycle, fact. If he went from "fairly lean" to "fat and smooth" his diet sucks, fact.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

If he went from "fairly lean" to "fat and smooth" his diet sucks, fact.

ditto...sounds like he went on the old see-food diet when he started using gear

Posted by: Johnnny

Mudge

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What do you want an opinion on? Acne is ugly that is my opinion. You dont have to deal with acne on a cycle, fact. If he went from "fairly lean" to "fat and smooth" his diet sucks, fact.

The opinons I'd like is if you think that this guy could be on steroids which I think yes.

He still has muscular size, but got really puffy, bloated, & smooth.

From what I've seen the various testosterone's out there (Anadrol 50, Suspension, Cypionate to name a few) & D-Bol tend to cause puffieness & bloating according to ppl I've spoken to who use these products on a regular basis.

LAM

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ditto...sounds like he went on the old see-food diet when he started using gear

Actually his diet has been very clean for a long time as I've spoken to him about it.

Posted by: nikegurl

serious question Johnny (i'm NOT trying to give you a hard time) why do you care if he is/isn't using?

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Actually his diet has been very clean for a long time as I've spoken to him about it.

I would have to see what his version of a clean diet is...but he has gotten as bloated and smooth as you say then he is most likely using dbol or anadrol along with test enanthate or cypionate...

Posted by: Johnnny

nikegurl

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serious question Johnny (i'm NOT giving you a hard time) why do you
care if he is/isn't using?

I just want to know b/c ppl who know him better told me that he said he was natural that's all.

LAM

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I would have to see what his version of a clean diet is...but he has gotten as bloated and smooth as you say then he is most likely using dbol or anadrol along with test enanthate or cypionate...

He doesn't eat any fried foods, eats mostly grilled chicken, lean cuts of grilled beef & steak, fish such as Pollack & Salmon, egg white omlets, steamed rice, oatmeal, fruits/veggies. & if he cheats on his diet it's only once or twice a week at most & it's nothing extreme.

I guess that's clean enough wouldn't you say?

But that's what I figured one of the testosterones &/or D-Bol.

A few of the guys who I played football with have been big fans of various testosterones & D-Bol, a couple have told me they tried Anadrol 50 but had to stop as it was hard on the liver.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

I just want to know b/c ppl who know him better told me that he said he was natural that's all.

come on man NOBODY gains 40 lbs naturally in 4 months, especially if they have been weight training for a while...

Posted by: Johnnny

LAM

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come on man NOBODY gains 40 lbs naturally in 4 months, especially if they have been weight training for a while...

That's for sure & plain obvious.

This guy has been training about 5yrs now & has maintained relatively a 200-210lbs body weight for that length of time.

Nor has his power increased huge ammounts.

As I said his bench was always between 275-295lbs for only 2-3 reps at most at 295lbs now he's all of a sudden repping out 405lbs 5 reps & 315lbs on incline bench 4-6 reps.

Posted by: musclepump

Roids. Doesn't matter which. He's doing his thing. If power if his choice instead of aesthetics, more power to him.

Posted by: mmorpheuss

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Originally Posted by LAM

come on man NOBODY gains 40 lbs naturally in 4 months, especially if they have been weight training for a while...

Why not?

Considering that a great majority of the weight is fat and water 40 pounds doesn't seem like too far a stretch to me.

Posted by: Johnnny

mmorpheus

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Considering that a great majority of the weight is fat and water 40 pounds doesn't seem like too far a stretch to me.

This is true, but you won't gain that huge amount of power just from gaining fat & water naturally.

Posted by: gococksDJS

Keep in mind that many perscription meds can also cause bloating and thyroid problems commonly cause water retention. Just because he looks like he's holding water doesn't mean hes running gear.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Keep in mind that many perscription meds can also cause bloating and thyroid problems commonly cause water retention. Just because he looks like he's holding water doesn't mean hes running gear.

you have to look at the big picture. the constant size for many years and suddenly a rapid increase in strength and body weight, it is all a dead give away...

Posted by: Johnnny

gococksdjs

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Keep in mind that many perscription meds can also cause bloating and thyroid problems commonly cause water retention. Just because he looks like he's holding water doesn't mean hes running gear.

This is true.

But there is almost a %100 chance that the guy is on roids if his flat bench press has been between 275lbs-295lbs & his incline bench was 255lbs for 5yrs & then

all of a sudden in 4 months his flat bench explodes to 405lbs & his incline bench explodes to 315lbs.

This is not regular prescription drugs.

The power he gains does greatly increase the chance of being on anabolics.

LAM

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you have to look at the big picture. the constant size for many years and suddenly a rapid increase in strength and body weight, it is all a dead give away...

Damn true.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

Actually his diet has been very clean for a long time as I've spoken to him about it.

Then he is overeating if he is fat, or he doesn't know what clean means.

Posted by: Johnnny

Mudge

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Then he is overeating if he is fat, or he doesn't know what clean
means.

He always eaten 6-7 meals & ate 215grams of protein a day as he "used to way" around 200-205lbs.

& had said that he was always very lean.

Posted by: Mudge

Sounds low on protein, but really, just because his carbs are CLEAN does not mean the diet is clean to me.

If he is doing 215g protein that is 860 calories. That leaves an awfull lot of room for everything else.

If he bulked on a very modest 3500 calories, that leaves 2640 left, which means an awfull lot of room for carbs and fats. I watch carbs more than fat when trying to stay lean, and carbs do pull in water to the approximate tune of 2.7g water for every 1g carbs.

Posted by: Supermans Daddy

Let's see now, gained 40 lbs, added 110 to his bench, bloated and hold'n water, start'n to get zits. All in 4 months huh ! Yep , He sounds all natural to me

Posted by: Johnnny

Mikhal

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Let's see now, gained 40 lbs, added 110 to his bench, bloated and
hold'n water, start'n to get zits. All in 4 months huh ! Yep , He sounds all
natural to me

Posted by: Johnnny

Mudge

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Sounds low on protein, but really, just because his carbs are CLEAN does not mean the diet is clean to me.

If he is doing 215g protein that is 860 calories. That leaves an awfull lot of room for everything else.

If he bulked on a very modest 3500 calories, that leaves 2640 left, which means an awfull lot of room for carbs and fats. I watch carbs more than fat when trying to stay lean, and carbs do pull in water to the approximate tune of 2.7g water for every 1g carbs.

Well he has started to increase his calories as he started to gain weight which is when I gradually noticed that he was exploding with size & power.

So now that he is 240lbs he is eating about 260grams of protein a day plus his complex carbs.

As I listed the food he eats already w/o much if any crapy food or junk except for the occasional binge.

This bloating/smooth/fat looking/zit effect has happened to friends of mine as well who took one of the Test's &/or D-Bol & they always ate clean.

According to them, they found that if they stacked the Test &/or D-Bol with something like Deca, Primo, Winstrol or Anavar that the puffiness effect would be reduced.

Posted by: Mudge

Deca makes you pull in water. If they want to not hold in a lot of water they have to not eat so many damn carbs, I dont care if they are clean, if you eat LOTS of carbs its just as bad as eating high GI carbs. Carbs pull in water.

They can also use aromatase inhibitor during the cycles.

Posted by: Supermans Daddy

Wit all due respect, I sometimes see threads that just in my mind don't make sense. I mean some things are just to clear to see and to figure out. Basically you know that your boy is juice'n ( so what) and wit what you been discribe'n this is like wacth'n Rodney King get his ass kicked and ask'n if he's really gett'n hit. Come on Homey Keep it real!

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

johnny I'm going to give it to you in simple english to avoid any confusion. Your friend at the gym is taking some form of steroids. Nobody after 5 years of consistent training gains 40lbs in a few months. Your friends diet sucks otherwise he wouldn't have became a big fat ass after being on gear. Zits are a common side effect of steroid use and so is bloating. Next time you see him tell him to cut back on the juice because is starting to look like the marshmallow man in Ghost Busters.

Posted by: Johnnny

Mudge

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Deca makes you pull in water. If they want to not hold in a lot of water they have to not eat so many damn carbs, I dont care if they are clean, if you eat LOTS of carbs its just as bad as eating high GI carbs. Carbs pull in water.

They can also use aromatase inhibitor during the cycles.

As for Deca the users I've known over the years say they take it to help prevent water retention with a cycle of test or D-bol along with Nolvadex during & after a cycle.

In 2000/01 I had enough Suspension, Nolvadex & syringes for an 8 week cycle. It was going to be my first cycle until the thyroid problems developed.

My buds told me that the Nolvadex also known as Clomid would prevent estrogen conversion due to excess test in the system & it would help
re-activate the body's natural test production.

What amount of carbs would you consider to be too many?

You need carbs first thing in the morning which is a given usually oatmeal but the old fashioned oatmeal, then you need carbs with protein about 1hr before training, & you certainly need the carbs & protein after training.

This is 3 servings of carbs with 3 meals so far.

If you're eating 6-7 meals a day, how many of those meals should contain carbs?

But isn't this hard to determine depending on the individuals metabolism? Obviously the dude at the gym has a high metabolism as he's always eaten the same amount of food a day. Only since August did he increase his calorie intake as his weight started to go up.

TrojanMan60563

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johnny I'm going to give it to you in simple english to avoid any confusion. Your friend at the gym is taking some form of steroids. Nobody after 5 years of consistent training gains 40lbs in a few months. Your friends diet sucks otherwise he wouldn't have became a big fat ass after being on gear. Zits are a common side effect of steroid use and so is bloating. Next time you see him tell him to cut back on the juice because is starting to look like the marshmallow man in Ghost Busters.

Well I listed his diet which is very similar to mine & I'm actually starting to tone up even more at around 200lbs with a 34 inch waist.

Grilled salmon, grilled skinless boneless chicken breasts, grilled lean ground beef & steak, & pasturized egg white omlets for protein.

Carbs consist of old fashioned oatmeal, & steamed rice.

Veggies consist of green vegetables & salad

Fruits, oranges, apples, green grapes, & banana's.

This is a pretty clean diet if you ask me.

B/c I myself was wondering why he puffed up so much.

He had never been this puffy until the end of August when I noticed he was really starting to pack on some fast size & power.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

As for Deca the users I've known over the years say they take it to help prevent water retention with a cycle of test or D-bol along with Nolvadex during & after a cycle.

Well, we can't help it when other people are stupid

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

My buds told me that the Nolvadex also known as Clomid would prevent estrogen conversion due to excess test in the system & it would help re-activate the body's natural test production.

Nolvadex (tamoxifen) and clomid (clomiphene) are not the same thing. It does not prevent estrogen conversion, thats what aromatase inhibitors are for. Clomid and nolvadex are mild estrogens that block stronger estrogen from binding to the receptor site by hopefully getting there first, it does not prevent estrogen from forming.

Post cycle either or both of these are used to help restore HPTA function.

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