My M1T cycle will run until the 28th, then I'll start my PCT. I just got my 4Derm in the mail today. My question is, would it be ok to start using 4Derm during my PCT, or should I wait until after I'm completely done with my M1T cycle including PCT, then start fresh?
Posted by: 19-chief
if you run 4derm, you are still "on" cycle... the day following your last dose of any prohormone/ prosteroid... that's when you go PCT. why didn't you run them together... that's standard procedure dude.
Posted by: 19-chief
what are you using for pct? ...nolva, clomid, 6-oxo? how long was your m1t cycle? is this your first cycle? what is your ph/ps history... these are relavent to giving you some answers to grow on...
Posted by: musclepump
I just decided to pick up 4Derm before the ban; I just received it today. I've had M1T for awhile. I'm doing a three week cycle using Axion-Pharm's MD1T. My cycle ends the 28th, it's the first PH/PS I've used.
I'm using Nolva, ZMA and Milk Thistle PCT.
Posted by: 19-chief
i'd hold on to the 4derm now and get youself another bottle of 1-test for the "next" cycle... is this your 1st cycle on ph/ps? and how much did you take ed on this 3 wk cycle? what's your schedule for pct... dosages/day/wk... how many weeks?
Posted by: musclepump
Yep, first cycle with any PH/PS.
Axion-Pharm isn't in 5mg tablets; they come in 6.25 of one compound+1mg of another. I take two pills a day.
For PCT I'll be taking Nolva 40mg for the first week, 20mg for the next two. Three weeks total for PCT.
Posted by: gococksDJS
like Chief said, PCT doesn't start until you aren't taking any PH/PS's and for future info, a lot of people front load 4-Derm for a week so that it is effective right when you start M1T becuase the sides hit you so fast.
Posted by: 19-chief
well, if this truly is you're first time "on" anything... after your pct is over, wait 1-3 weeks to see how you feel... you might be ready to do it again! just be ready to take a lot more time "off" after your next post cycle. oh and depending on what your goals are, try not to deprive yourself of calories, or go on a "cut", until long after your pct if you want to keep what you earned. remember, taking any of these otc supplements is a gamble... make it worth the risk.
Posted by: gococksDJS
I would wait ore than 1-3 weeks. You need time to restore your natural test levels.
Posted by: 19-chief
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I would wait ore than 1-3 weeks. You need time to restore your natural test levels.
i was thinking along the lines that this could pontentially be just the first phase of a cycle... 3 on/3 pct,3 on/3 pct, 12 wks off... that kinda thing. that's exactly what i'm in the middle of myself. although, i usually do the 4 on/4 pct twice in a row with 12-16 wks off but i always adhere to the long time in between practice.