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Posted by: ChrisROCK

How much glutamine do you all take per day, and at what point in the day?

With just water, or do you mix it in with Whey shake?

Posted by: PreMier

Never take glutamine.. there are no studies that show its beneficial, unless used in intravenious administration, or used on severe burn victims.

If you do use it, dont take it with protein. It cant be absorbed properly if you do(not like it matters).

Posted by: DOMS

PreMier, then why do so many take it?

Posted by: PreMier

Because they 'think' it makes them recover faster.. "Oooh, right there, yup my protein synthesis levels just returned to baseline levels. Guess i'm recovered... this glutamine is miracle stuff"

Posted by: Var

Classic

Posted by: DOMS

So it does nothing at all?

Posted by: PreMier

Not really(unless for severe burn victims/intravenious administration).. Dont believe me? Look at the test studies www.pubmed.com

Posted by: DOMS

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just something new to me and I'm suprised.

I'll go read the link.

Posted by: ChrisROCK

interesting premier... any adverse effects from taking it?

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

So it does nothing at all?

glutamine is very helpfull especially when calories are severly restricted as it does help to reduce muscle cataboslim. most people never get serious enough about there diet to get down to single digit body fat to actually experience the benefits of glutamine for this purpose...most just talk out of their asses when it comes to using glutamine for this purpose

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

interesting premier... any adverse effects from taking it?

Lighter wallet?

Like LAM said, its good for dieting, along with BCAA's.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

How much glutamine do you all take per day, and at what point in the day?

With just water, or do you mix it in with Whey shake?

run a search for it man! there have been loads of questions like this

Posted by: rrgg

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Never take glutamine.. there are no studies that show its beneficial, unless used in intravenious administration, or used on severe burn victims.

Premier, Could you be a little more precise for me? Are you saying that

a) no comprehensive oral studies have been done?

OR

b) oral studies have failed to prove its effectiveness for weight training?

Side note: Failure to prove a hypothesis does not disprove the converse. In other words, it's possible these incidental positive reports from glutamine users are still valid.

Posted by: PreMier

B.

Posted by: rrgg

If you really mean that, then the "side note" applies.

Posted by: PreMier

Your right. Anything is possible, but I will conform on the side of science for this one.

Posted by: BritChick

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Originally Posted by LAM

Hmmm... so I guess there are benefits to using this especially during pre-contest time.

Posted by: rrgg

That's not what I meant. I actually thought you would respond with a third choice:

c) oral studies have disproven its effectiveness.

I don't think that's the case. If you do, I'd like to hear more.

If you really mean "b," then "science" is telling you that the data is inconclusive. You can't say either way whether the hypothesis is true.

Posted by: PreMier

Well, I cant really debate on this issue, because I havent read anything on glutamine in a looong time(due to my view on it). Basically it is only useful in extreme conditions, those of which are stated above(severe burn trauma/competition dieting/and marathon running). To the average BB it is worthless.

Posted by: gopro

Glutamine is an awesome supplement. Use it. 20-30 g per day. It works. Not placebo effect. Take it 365 days per year. L-glutamine on an empty stomach. Peptides can be taken with food. I don't give a rats ass about the studies that say it does not work. It does...its proven itself in the real world. End of story.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by gopro

I don't give a rats ass about the studies that say it does not work. It does...its proven itself in the real world. End of story.

Posted by: simbh

go gopro go !!!

I just started taking mine yesterday gopro , with the guidelines you gave me

To support what gopro said , I talked to multiples personnal trainers about glutamine , and they said the same thing as him.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by simbh

go gopro go !!!

I just started taking mine yesterday gopro , with the guidelines you gave me

To support what gopro said , I talked to multiples personnal trainers about glutamine , and they said the same thing as him.

Well, glutamine has been a big topic of debate for a long time. If someone just reads a scientific study on it, and then claims it doesn't work for anyone, and that its all placebo effect, then I label that person a moron. However, if they try it themselves, use it correctly, and for a long enough period...and THEN feel it did nothing for them, then I 100% respect their opinion. Not every supplement works for everyBODY.

I respect Premier's opinion on this topic, but anyone that feels it is useless for them must still respect the people that use it and feel it is beneficial to their bodybuilding efforts. And from my experience, it works extremely well for 8 out of 10 people that know how to use it.

Posted by: cappo5150

Does all glutamine taste real bad? I'm looking for some that I can drink without gaggin.

Posted by: rrgg

I wasn't really saying that glutamine works or doesn't work. I was saying that the studies being quoted are inconclusive.

Posted by: ChrisROCK

ok, gopro...how do i use it "properly" then?

some guidelines? thx

Posted by: topolo

take it rectally!

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

ok, gopro...how do i use it "properly" then?

some guidelines? thx

How to use glutamine

Answering the question of how much glutamine to consume is somewhat difficult. There is not one blanket answer to cover every variable. Things to consider when determining the amount of glutamine to consume include body weight, activity level, lifestyle stress, overall health, and diet. Another variable to consider is what you are using glutamine for. Is it to prevent OTS, stimulate growth hormone secretion, help boost your immune system, or replace sugar in your post-workout drink?

To assist in preventing OTS I recommend consuming glutamine both before and after training, and before bed. Again, there are too many variables to give you an exact amount to consume. Generally five to ten grams pre and post workout, and before bed is a good place to start. If you are on a very low carbohydrate diet, you may want to consider upping this amount, especially in your post-workout drink. Glutamine can increase glycogen storage by as much as 16 percent if consumed post-workout. 4

I have seen recommendations as high as .44 grams per lean pound of body weight. Consuming high levels of glutamine about a half an hour before a workout will leave you with a memorable experience. Upon experimenting with 30 grams of glutamine pre-workout, I experienced increased muscle volume to the point that I could no longer contract the muscle. No other supplement, including creatine, has ever given that intensity of “pump” before. I must warn you, however, I have had some people tell me they experience nausea when consuming large amounts of glutamine per serving (even with large servings I have personally never experienced any side effects). But, at the same time, they also said their workouts were some of the best they’ve ever had. Interestingly, while I was experimenting with larger servings (30 grams pre/during workout and 15 grams post-workout) I found it nearly impossible to get sore muscles. Normally I’m hobbling around in shear pain for four or five days following a hard leg workout; I was obviously ecstatic to be able to walk around pain-free. This experiment is hardly scientific, however, if you suffer from delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS - the intense muscle pain that occurs and peaks about 48 hours after a workout) I suggest you consider adding glutamine to your supplement routine.

Unfortunately, like so many other topics relating to our bodies, the amount of glutamine one should take offers no black and white blanket answer. Use the above recommendations as a guide and look to your body for feedback. If you gobble down 30 grams of glutamine, then feel like you’re going to blow chunks, reduce your next serving size. If you have any nausea, or stomach discomfort start with small serving sizes and gradually introduce larger amounts.

Posted by: min0 lee

http://www.ironmagazine.com/article40.html

Posted by: VicVega

I can vouch for its effectivness. I use post work out, esspecially after a hard lower body/abs workout. It helps with DOMS, and thats the reason i use it. I use GNC 750 mg capsules x 2. Glutamine does not taste bad, well GNC's powder form didnt when i used it. Went excellent with milk.

Posted by: simbh

I use it with cranberry juice . I take it 3 times a day 7-10g each time ... Depending on if my 2 teasppons are full or near full

It tastes good with all natural cranberry juice , I take about 100mL put the glutamine in there and chug it .

Posted by: PreMier

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

ok, gopro...how do i use it "properly" then?

some guidelines? thx

5-10 g on empty stomach, about 30 minutes before a meal at the following times:

-upon awakening
-pre workout
-post workout
-before bed

Simple

Posted by: ChrisROCK

Thanks. Does anyone experience any side effects from this? I'm one of those sensitive stomach fockers!

Posted by: roadkill

re: glutamine side effects. I agree with gopro's recommendation of taking it pre \ post workout and before bed. Although if I do take before nap time I usually find I wake up early (about 4am).

Sorry premier but I have to disagree with you. I'v been trying to body build for 3 years with minimal results and its only now that ive started to take creatine and glutamine that ive started to note results. Im into week 3 of my first creatine cycle and although I know it helps muscle tissue retain water, im sure the glutamine is helping too. I feel stronger, have more energy in the gym and more determination to finish a set.

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by roadkill

Sorry premier but I have to disagree with you. I'v been trying to body build for 3 years with minimal results and its only now that ive started to take creatine and glutamine that ive started to note results. Im into week 3 of my first creatine cycle and although I know it helps muscle tissue retain water, im sure the glutamine is helping too. I feel stronger, have more energy in the gym and more determination to finish a set.

yea, well people swear by placebo in blind studies too.. If you have been training 3 years with minimal results, your diet was flawed, and possibly your training. You should look into those.

Posted by: rrgg

I take glutamine also.

but... roadkill added both creatine and glutamine and concluded the glutamine works. That's not necessarily true. It could just be the creatine.

Posted by: ChrisROCK

So take it with cranberry juice? ANy other suggestions?

Can i take it mixed in with my PWO shake? and whey shakes during the day?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

So take it with cranberry juice? ANy other suggestions?

Can i take it mixed in with my PWO shake? and whey shakes during the day?

ONLY if you buy the PEPTIDE form. L-glutamine must be separated from the ingestion of complete proteins.

Posted by: ChrisROCK

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Originally Posted by gopro

ONLY if you buy the PEPTIDE form. L-glutamine must be separated from the ingestion of complete proteins.

ok...thanks.

Posted by: repeej

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Originally Posted by gopro

L-glutamine must be separated from the ingestion of complete proteins.

Can you explain why? I'm one of those inquiring minds.

Posted by: Robboe

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Originally Posted by PreMier

yea, well people swear by placebo in blind studies too.. If you have been training 3 years with minimal results, your diet was flawed, and possibly your training. You should look into those.

No. It was the glutamine that did it.

Posted by: jram

I've been taking L-Glutamine the last two years, every day. Workout days- 10g pre and post and 5g at bedtime. 10g on non-workout days. For me, I have noticed that my recovery time is quicker.

Peace

Posted by: Flakko

I read that since Glutamine and Creatine depends on the same amino acids, you are not suppose to take them together, is it true???

If it is, why so many of those Creatine delivery systems contain Glutamine???

Flakko

Posted by: Jodi

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Originally Posted by jram

I've been taking L-Glutamine the last two years, every day. Workout days- 10g pre and post and 5g at bedtime. 10g on non-workout days. For me, I have noticed that my recovery time is quicker.

Peace

How do you know your recovery time is qucker if you have been taking it for 2 years? You do know that proper nutrition and rest going to help your recovery alot more so than glutamine will ever do right?

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by Jodi

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...35&postcount=4
Thats how lol

Posted by: Robboe

Let your own bicarbonate buffer levels return to normal (maybe a week or two) and you'll notice the extra soreness you may feel coming off long-term glutamine use discipate.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by repeej

Can you explain why? I'm one of those inquiring minds.

Very simple...glutamine peptides are effectively absorbed in an empty stomach environment, as well as in an environment of whole proteins. L-glutamine will not be properly absrorbed in an environment of whole proteins, however, and thus needs to be taken on an empty stomach.

Posted by: jram

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Before I started taking L-Glutamine and after my workouts on a 3-day split I would need 2 days recovery time. After taking glutamine on a consistant basis I noticed I could finish my 3-day split within the week rather than 9 days. This supplement I feel works for me but may not work for others.

Peace

Posted by: jram

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flakko

I read that since Glutamine and Creatine depends on the same amino acids, you are not suppose to take them together, is it true???

If it is, why so many of those Creatine delivery systems contain Glutamine???

Flakko

You can take them both together but, I would reduce the amount of glutamine because since creatine normally contains glutamine, they both compete for the same absorbtion receptors.

Peace

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by jram

You can take them both together but, I would reduce the amount of glutamine because since creatine normally contains glutamine, they both compete for the same absorbtion receptors.

Peace

Since when does creatine contain glutamine?

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by jram

they both compete for the same absorbtion receptors.

BS!

peace

Posted by: ChrisROCK

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Originally Posted by gopro

Since when does creatine contain glutamine?

i think he must mean products like V12 and CEX. I know V12 contains some glutamine!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

i think he must mean products like V12 and CEX. I know V12 contains some glutamine!

Yes, some "creatine products" contain ADDED glutamine, but creatine itself does not contain glutamine.

You are probably right about what he meant

Posted by: jram

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopro

Since when does creatine contain glutamine?

Sorry gopro. Should have read "some creatine products".

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by jram

Sorry gopro. Should have read "some creatine products".

No biggie!

Posted by: ChrisROCK

Gopro...not to stray too OT here, but I've been looking at V12 and CEX... Two fitness suppliers I use locally have both said CEX is really new and they haven't gotten any feedback yet on it, therefore they didnt want to reccommend it to me. V12, on the other hand, they said is fantastic...and everyone seems to really like it. I know you said CEX is awesome...I'm just trying to make the right investment... Thx.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

Gopro...not to stray too OT here, but I've been looking at V12 and CEX... Two fitness suppliers I use locally have both said CEX is really new and they haven't gotten any feedback yet on it, therefore they didnt want to reccommend it to me. V12, on the other hand, they said is fantastic...and everyone seems to really like it. I know you said CEX is awesome...I'm just trying to make the right investment... Thx.

Absolutely, V12 is excellent! If you buy it, you should like it. All I can say is that I have used both and CEX is superior. Feedback that I have gotten tells me it is superior. But if you feel more comfortable with V12, thats cool. Do what you feel is best!

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