Originally Posted by min0 lee

I don't think to the extreme roids does, in fact I don't even respond to creatine....not like I did when I tried test. back in the late 80's.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Two words -- slippery slope.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Here you go Mino already looked into this earlier in the thread

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Actually, he is African-American.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

So cheating is only wrong if it is extreme? The fields today are optimal, pitchers are better, there are set up pitchers, I could go on. If it wasn't against the rules there should be no asterisk.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

That's the first time I ever heard of Babe Ruth using a corked bat.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Didn't they make rules in basketball based on the fact that Wilt Chamberlain dominated? I think they even made the lane wider. How is it fair that people today are competing under tougher rules?

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Cheating has occured in every era. It seems to be a part of baseball.

And Steroids weren't cheating in baseball until just recently

Originally Posted by min0 lee

No, technically it wasn't but it's obvious it's banned in Football and the Olympics so these ballplayers should know better.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Players are going to take every rule to the limit to benefit there performance... and I see no problem with that. If I was a pro athelete, I would take advantage of every legal (by the rules of the governing sport) way to enhance my performance.

Who is at fault is MLB...for neglecting to address this, and even the recent applications are really just a slap on the wrist

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Alot of stuff is banned in the olympics that isn't in other sports. Some over-the-counter cough medicines are. In a 160+ game season, someone is likely to get a cold. Do they suffer?

You aren't allowed to use your hands in soccer, should that rule be adopted for football and baseball as well?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

If they used their hands it would be basketball...you just love using your hands. Ghey

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

No, you can't use your feet in basketball, so it is Bizarro Basketball.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

No, Soccer is just bizarre.

Originally Posted by mattd46612

Its all bullshit if it was all the gear then Jose Canseco would have 1000 home runs. No its still 90% talent, the guy can flat out hit the ball.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

No they won't you are right

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.

Originally Posted by JOHNYORK

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.


agreed

Originally Posted by JOHNYORK

Bonds already had an exceptional eye at the plate. Howvever the increased bat speed will make a huge difference. Now instead of not being able to get the bat around fast enough to fight off the inside pitch, Bonds can can get the meat of the bat around to make solid contact.

All those Deep fly balls now become Homruns from the increased BAt speed. Strike outs where he couldn't get the bat around now have the possibilty of being hits. There are so many scenarios of improvements to situations from improved bat speed, I could go on and on.

No one is arguing that he doesn't have a great eye at the plate and there is no doubt that steroids don't enhance that, but they are allowing him to take better advantage of his abilites.


agreed

Originally Posted by busyLivin

I didn't read the whole thread, but Bonds shouldn't have an asterik, he should be stricken from the record books & banned from baseball.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

I didn't read the whole thread, but Bonds shouldn't have an asterik, he should be stricken from the record books & banned from baseball.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Your posts deserve an asterik also since you also a user.
Cheater.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

It is naive to think many of his peers were not also using banned drugs, steroids and other drugs have been in most sports since the 70's......and who cares.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Your posts deserve an asterik also since you also a user.
Cheater.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

True Story.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

There's no way he would have been able to have that many posts without the help of some juice.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

apple juice?

Originally Posted by busyLivin

it's just an insult to all the natural greats who did it through hard work & talent. Should Bonds' name really be above Babe Ruth's?

& I think all players who cheat should be banned, not just Bonds.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

bat speed is an interesting arguement, but then how do you explain mark mcguires 49 home runs his rookie year or ken griffey jr's 500 plus home runs neither was in mcguire's case or jr's his whole carreer were big men with tremendous bat speed.