Originally Posted by 19-chief

is this a pretty typical cycle or what? is the clomid neccessary... could i, if i choice to do this, get away with just nolvadex? also, would 2 short 2 week cycles of m5aa at 30mg ED work in here?

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex (if needed for bloat)
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid

Originally Posted by Cardinal

You could get by without the clomid. I prefer to run nolva for 4 weeks if running it alone however. jmo. Week 16, you could just stay at 20mg/ED.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

You could run the M5AA in there easily and could certainly run it for longer than 2 weeks at more than 30mg/ED. 30-40mg would be an excellent preworkout dosage. You could do that throughout the cycle (preworkout only).

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Just watch for shedding hair/hairloss. You could run it up to 80-100mg/ED if splitting the dosages up a lot for a portion of your cycle if you wanted. I have done that successfully twice now. CNS stimulation is awesome.

Originally Posted by LAM

looks fine. if this is a bulker you could surely add in dbol at 20-25 mg/ED for the first 4 weeks.

Originally Posted by LAM

personally I'm no good at 100 mg/ED of clomid but some people can tolerate that dose. I can't remember if this is your 1st cycle or not but you may want to use one or the other (nolva or clomid) this time to see how your body reacts to them seperately...

Originally Posted by LAM

you could just run the M5AA for the last 4-6 weeks just like you would with masteron or winny...

Originally Posted by 19-chief

if it's lion liquid nolva, are you suggesting running 3 weeks straight dose? 40-60mg ED? then 1 more at 20mg ED?

Originally Posted by Cardinal

80-100mg is a rather aggressive dose of hormones. Works out to quite a bit a week. With such a dose entails a fair amount of risk. But I doubt you will find many compounds yielding such crappy side effects as M1T. Not a good comparison. I think bigpetefox was the first to use it this high and a few others including myself followed suite. You might want to work your way up gradually. LAM's idea of using it the last 4-6 weeks is a very good one. I just think that if you are only going to use 30mg/ED you should almost certainly just use it all pre-workout. You'll get the most bang for your buck that way. I like to take it 40-75 minutes or so prior to a workout for best effects. It really is short acting and will be out of your system fairly quickly.

Originally Posted by Brodus

There are three main uses for M5AA:

1. Solely a pre-workout booster. Dosing of 20-50mg, pre-workout only.
2. As a cutting/hardening agent. Dosing of 60-100mg. EVERY DAY, spread out in 3-4 doses and run for at least 3 weeks.
3. As a stacking agent. M5AA has a benificial effect on SHBG, which enables the horomones/prohormones you take to have a more pronounced effect. In this case, you take 30mg. per day split in 3 doses, every day.

All androgens require PCT. However, shut-down from example 1 (solely pre-workout dosing) is going to be very minimal (provided this is all you're running). I personally don't use androgens in this manner at all, prefering other things for pre-workout stim., or just old-fashioned inspiration and good sleep. My philosophy is to use carefully crafted stacks, and be prudent.

I have done example 2, and it worked great, and I will be doing example 3 on my next cycle in Feb., along with some low-dose T3 to improve protein metabolism, 5-AD to improve conversion enzyme production, and GlucophaseXR to improve insulin response. This will allow me to run lower androgen doses while reaping greater overall benefits.

Originally Posted by 19-chief

so,

Week 1 to 6: 10mg Nolvadex (if needed for bloat or gyno)
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ (200mg Sun + 200mg Thurs)
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST E (250mg Sun + 250mg Thurs)
Week 7 to 12: 30mg/ED M5AA (10mg 3x/ED)
wk 13 - 40mg nolva
wk 14 - 40mg nolva
wk 15 - 40mg nolva
wk 16 - 20mg nolva