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PurduePower's First AAS Cycle

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Posted by: Purdue Power

Like Pirate, I too am starting my first AAS cycle, and wanted to chronicle my experience for others to help plan their cycles and also to get constant feedback from those who are more experienced than I.

I am starting in a few days. I will be taking 25mg of Dbol/day in two dosed, 12 hours apart. I will also start 600mg of Sustanon/week in two doses. I will drop the Dbol withing the first few days of the Sustanon kicking in(expected to be ~3-4 weeks into the cycle). I will be on the Sust for a total of 10 weeks. I am considering throwing in some Winny for the last 2 or 3 weeks of the Sust to cut a little bit.

I have 60ml of Nolva on hand for pct and in the event of gyno or excessive bloat throughout the cycle. I also have Femara for the gyno possibility. I am planning on running some T3 sometime after the Sust kicks in to minimize the body fat stored.

I am starting at 200lbs and hope to get up to 215 at least(after the water retention is gone from the dbol). I don't know what my body fat is, but I would guess not much over 10% at the very most. I will be sure to eat at least every 2hrs and aim for about 5000cals a day, keeping the sodium and excess sugars low to avoid unwanted bloating.

I am going to get some HCG soon and dose about 250iu a couple times a week at most. I had quite a bit of testicular atrophy during my M1T cycle, so I will prob have some during this cycle, too.

I don't know exactly what dosing for my Nolva I am gonna do. I did a 50/40/30/20 dosage for my M1T pct, so I will probably do the first couple of weeks at 40mg/day then a week at 30 and a couple weeks at 20. I havn't received much input on the dosage that I should use, so if anyone has any input, I would appreciate it very much. I will throw in a tribulus product with my Nolva like I did with my M1T pct. I recovered very well during my pct from M1T, so I assume that Nolva is the best choice for me and I will do a similar program that I did with that.

I will run a couple of weeks of Clen the first 2 weeks of my pct and then 2 or 3 weeks of ECA after that and just lift to maintain so I don't overtrain.

I will work on getting some before pics before I start.

If anyone has any input or corrections that they feel that I should make at any point throughout my journal, please say something.

Posted by: largepkg

This should be great to follow. Good luck PP!

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by largepkg

This should be great to follow. Good luck PP!

You just wanted to call him PP

G'luck PP

Posted by: redspy

Good luck bro.

Subscribing!

Posted by: Cardinal

What is your your training going to look like? Are you setting specific goals as far for strength or? I like starting with a more aggressive dose of nolva in pct like you did after M1T.

Posted by: simbh

GL dude , hope your testies keep a good side during your cycle

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by simbh

GL dude , hope your testies keep a good side during your cycle

Funny how on a bodybulding thread it's acceptable to send wishes to other men's testicles without being called something derogatory

Posted by: 19-chief

good luck, man. i look forward to hearing of your progress as i will too, at some point in the near future, being staring my first aas cycle. i am subscribed.

Posted by: Purdue Power

You just have to be blunt sometimes to get what you are saying across.

As far as my workouts, I am change the lifts and sets and reps I do each week, but I am going to stick with my normal routine pretty much. I am going to drop one of my off days and throw shoulders and abs. I currently do shoulders/bis/tris all in one day with a morning workout of shoulders and bis/tris later in the day. Since I won't need that much recovery time, I will do shoulders on that off day now. I am not concerned with strength so much. I am going for competition BB and I am already stronger than nearly all of the guys in my gym, so I don't need to worry about gaining that much strength.

Posted by: gococksDJS

Looks good man. Should be a strong cycle. Im also starting a cycle in about 2 weeks of test cyp/dbol/winny.

Posted by: redspy

Cool, looks like we have some more journals lined up from gococks and 19. I'm planning my first cycle now, looks like I'm going with Test Enan, EQ and Dbol.

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by redspy

Cool, looks like we have some more journals lined up from gococks and 19. I'm planning my first cycle now, looks like I'm going with Test Enan, EQ and Dbol.

Are you really? hmm. I never thought I'd hear you say that.

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by redspy

Cool, looks like we have some more journals lined up from gococks and 19. I'm planning my first cycle now, looks like I'm going with Test Enan, EQ and Dbol.

When do you plan to start? dose and length?

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

When do you plan to start? dose and length?

In a about 6-8 weeks. I have a nagging rotator cuff issue I need to shake off first.

The plan at the moment is as follows:-

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 25mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg EW (2 shots)
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg EW (2 shots)
Weeks 1-12 HCG 500IU E5D.
PCT: 4 Weeks of Nolva.

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Luke9583

You just wanted to call him PP

G'luck PP

Where is Chrono when you need him?

Posted by: Luke9583

Posted by: Purdue Power

Would I be ok to go for 12 weeks, or should I just play it safe with 10 weeks?

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Would I be ok to go for 12 weeks, or should I just play it safe with 10 weeks?

As you're running HCG throughout the cycle you should be fine going with 12 weeks.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by redspy

Cool, looks like we have some more journals lined up from gococks and 19. I'm planning my first cycle now, looks like I'm going with Test Enan, EQ and Dbol.

ah, the quintessential bulker. nice.
i'm gonna go Test E, EQ, M5AA.

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

ah, the quintessential bulker. nice.
i'm gonna go Test E, EQ, M5AA.

Sounds like a good plan. I assume you're using the M5 in the latter stage of the cycle for hardening/strength?

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by redspy

Sounds like a good plan. I assume you're using the M5 in the latter stage of the cycle for hardening/strength?

exactly. kinda like a winny. the only thing that is up in the air is the timing for the M5... don't know if i want to use it weeks 6-10 or weeks 8-12.

Posted by: LAM

PP. I would run the HCG @ 500 iu's every 4-5 days

Posted by: Pirate!

I'm glad to see you started a journal. We are running similar cycles, but you are much bigger than me.

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I don't know exactly what dosing for my Nolva I am gonna do. I did a 50/40/30/20 dosage for my M1T pct, so I will probably do the first couple of weeks at 40mg/day then a week at 30 and a couple weeks at 20.

Since you are using research nolva, I'd run higher doses. In fact, I will. Something like 60/60/50/40/30. Couldn't hurt. I'll be dropping by.

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Would I be ok to go for 12 weeks, or should I just play it safe with 10 weeks?

Like redspy said with HCG you should be able to extend it. Im running HCG the whole time, so thats why I extended mine to 12 weeks.

Posted by: redspy

Hey PP - Just out of interest what does your site injection rotation plan look like?

Posted by: thatguy

Good luck, Purdue. I'm subscribing to this puppy since were around the same age and within 10 lbs of eachother.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I will be taking 25mg of Dbol/day in two dosed, 12 hours apart. I will also start 600mg of Sustanon/week in two doses. I will drop the Dbol withing the first few days of the Sustanon kicking in(expected to be ~3-4 weeks into the cycle).

Two suggestions. If possible (I don't know how your dbol is dosed), split it up into 4 or 5 doses, every 3 hours or so.

The other, just do the dbol for 4 weeks. You can't always rely on telling when the test kicks in. It's not always that obvious, especially when kickstarting with dbol.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Lets see some pictures.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

His D-bol are too big to split that way unless he crushes them to powder and caps 'em like I did. I agree that you should set your d-bol schedule, not base it on feeling.

I also think LAM is right on about doing 500 iu of HCG E5D. 250 doesn't do much, and you might find that 250 E4D leaves you....ah....lacking.

Posted by: Purdue Power

My dbols are 50mgs, so it would be impossible to split them up into that many pieces. As far as deez balls, I will prob run the 500iu every 5 days or so.

My injection rotation will prob be glutes, quads, delts for the sust injections. I might recruit my tris when I start with the winny.

I will try to find my roommates digcam tonight to get some pre-pics.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Good luck im subscribe to both your and pirate's thread. Whats HCG????

Posted by: Purdue Power

HCG is human chorionic gonadotrophin. It is used in treatment for undecended testicles, but in our case, it prevents your testis from atrophying due to not producing as much natural test. It makes the transition to post cycle much easier, because they don't shrink and are at full size to kick back into gear once the cycle is over.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My injection rotation will prob be glutes, quads, delts for the sust injections.

You better heat that sustanon up well if you plan on pushing through a 25 g. for glute shots. I gave up on that quick. There are a lot of spots on your quads. Rotation is easy shooting only twice a week.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Well, I posted my pics on my gallery. They aren't the greatest, because I had to take them myself, but you will get the basic idea.

Posted by: redspy

Looking good my man!

Posted by: Flex

Cycle looks great, and you already have a nice physique to build upon (which some people jump into prematurely)

The only thing i'd say is to split up the dbol evenly throughout the day, but then i read you have 50mg tabs. That kinda sucks, considering it's half life is only 3-4hrs, so you're blood levels are gonna be all over the place, not constant like they should be....

otherwise looks like you got all your corners covered.

Good luck, bro.

FLEX

Posted by: soxmuscle

Looking big, my freind. Very nice.

Posted by: thatguy

Great pics, man. You're only 200 lbs? You look much bigger. How tall are you?

I'm 6'2", about 205-210, and I don't match your proportions, particularly in my legs. My quads are infantile compared to yours.

Hopefully after this cycle you'll be a monster. Good luck again...

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am 5'8. Thanks for all of the compliments. I am really hoping to improve on my lats.

As far as my dbols go, they are really small and really hard, so they don't even like to break up into 4ths without part of it pulverizing.

Posted by: I'm Trying

Good luck Purdue! I'm subscribing too.

Posted by: gococksDJS

PP, your running 50mg/ED of Dbol? How's that going for you? I have 10mg tabs and was trying to decide to run 30 or 50

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

PP, your running 50mg/ED of Dbol? How's that going for you? I have 10mg tabs and was trying to decide to run 30 or 50

He has 50s that he is going to break in quarters and take 12.5 mg every 12 hours. I did the same thing. As flex said, it isn't ideal. If you workout 2-3 hours after taking 12.5 mg, you can watch yourself grow in the gym, though. That is pretty fun.

May not be good for stretch marks.

Posted by: vellanator

Good luck PP. You're already huge man. You're going to be uh, more huger.

Post some pics every coupla weeks or so if you can.

Posted by: crazy_enough

GEEZ! saw ur pics, U are huge! Cant wait to see what this cycle yields!!

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Flex

Cycle looks great, and you already have a nice physique to build upon (which some people jump into prematurely)

I know people think I am juicing prematurely even though they haven't said it, but after careful consideration I decided that I am ready . I'm surprised you haven't called me out on this, Flex.

PP does have an impressive physique. Damn my genes.

At least I don't have a cat face, though.

Posted by: Purdue Power

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

At least I don't have a cat face, though.

Ya, I originally had my face on there, but someone PMed me and brought it to my attention that it might not be the best idea to have my face on here if I am talking about my plans for a cycle. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

yeah, i didn't mind being known before but now i'm wishing to remain somewhat anonymous. btw, pics look good. nice catcrab.

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

May not be good for stretch marks.

Yeah I have the 10s, and I think im going to take between 30-50mg's in divided doses throughout the day.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Yeah I have the 10s, and I think im going to take between 30-50mg's in divided doses throughout the day.

I'd keep it to 30 mg/day. No reason to go higher, IMO.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I'd keep it to 30 mg/day. No reason to go higher, IMO.

i think i read, can't find it right now, experienced guys with size still only go with 25mg/ED and get good results. maybe that was Mudge?

Posted by: Luke9583

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Originally Posted by redspy

Looking good my man!

I second that!

Posted by: Purdue Power

My supplies are supposed to be in town tonight. I can't wait. I have been so excited all week. The only thing that I still have to do is tell my lifting partner that I am about to start this up. She is a female powerlifter and my best friend. She has been around steroids and people who have been on them for a long time, but she doesn't condone them. I hope that she doesn't flip out when I tell her, because I do take to heart how she feels.

Posted by: redspy

Good luck bro. Let us know when 'the eagle has landed'.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My supplies are supposed to be in town tonight. I can't wait. I have been so excited all week. The only thing that I still have to do is tell my lifting partner that I am about to start this up. She is a female powerlifter and my best friend. She has been around steroids and people who have been on them for a long time, but she doesn't condone them. I hope that she doesn't flip out when I tell her, because I do take to heart how she feels.

Well, for the sake of your frienship I hope she handles it well, but maybe you would do better by yourself in the gym. I do best alone.

Posted by: Purdue Power

No, our friendship is very strong and it will withstand even her being dissapointed in me. She likes her guys huge and her last couple of boyfriends were roid monsters. I am probably getting all worried about nothing. But we are very close and we will still be lifting together. I would just rather her not be dissapointed in me. She knew about my M1T/4AD cycle and she knew that it was harder on my body than a real cycle would be. She knew that I used HCG and Nolva, too, and that is crossing the line into the black market products.

Posted by: Flex

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I know people think I am juicing prematurely even though they haven't said it, but after careful consideration I decided that I am ready . I'm surprised you haven't called me out on this, Flex.

well, i didn't wanna come off sounding like an asshole trying to get you down, bro

, esp. cuz i know how great juice is.

But it's just that for recreational usage, IMO you should train naturally till you plateau, then use juice as a supplement to get you past that.

After viewing your pics, it looked like you had alot of room for natural growth before you jumped into the juice, ESP. after you said you've only been training for 2 years (and only 1 of which was good).

Just my .02

Posted by: Flex

and for whoever said they were gonna run 50mg dbol/day, WOW. you've got some set of marbles on ya.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I am 5'8. Thanks for all of the compliments. I am really hoping to improve on my lats.

As far as my dbols go, they are really small and really hard, so they don't even like to break up into 4ths without part of it pulverizing.

do yourself a favor the next time you get dbol get them in 5 or 10 mg tabs. when you split tabs you will never know how much of the active ingredient you are taking.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I know, but they were all given to me for free by a close friend that his fiance found out that he still had them and made him get rid of them. I will take free anyday.

I am thinking about crushing them all up and weighing them out so that I can take 3 10mg doses throughout the day. I just need to get a very precise digital scale.

Posted by: Cardinal

I am in the same boat! Those little 50's are a lot smaller than I thought they would be. Crushing is probably about the only way I can think to split them decently. I think Mike sells some scales. Don't know if they will be enough for this job though.

Keep in mind that if you don't know the brand or more importantly where they are coming from, they could be underdosed and you might need to adjust for that possibility. Something always to think about regarding AAS. Something that I haven't had to consider using otc ph/ps.

-Cardinal

Posted by: Pirate!

Crushing, cutting, and capping 50 mg d-bol into 10 mg caps is a cake walk with the right equipment.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I'm sure it is, and the right equipment comes at a price.

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I know, but they were all given to me for free by a close friend that his fiance found out that he still had them and made him get rid of them. I will take free anyday.

I am thinking about crushing them all up and weighing them out so that I can take 3 10mg doses throughout the day. I just need to get a very precise digital scale.

If you can afford it, i suggest a CT200 analytical Balance. I am a chem major, and we use them and they have an accuracy range from .01g up to 200g

Posted by: Purdue Power

I still havn't received the rest of my supplies. I am anxiously awaiting them. I am going to order my HCG in the next day or 2. I found a great source to get it.

Posted by: Cardinal

Make sure to order plenty HCG. That way if it comes late and you need to run a slightly different protocol requiring a bit more, you can without worry. Mine is going to come late and I am sure glad I ordered the little bit extra that I did.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

If you can afford it, i suggest a CT200 analytical Balance. I am a chem major, and we use them and they have an accuracy range from .01g up to 200g

$600 for a scale ? that's 16 - 10 ml vials of test ! lol

Posted by: Purdue Power

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Cardinal]Make[/url] sure to order plenty HCG. That way if it comes late and you need to run a slightly different protocol requiring a bit more, you can without worry. Mine is going to come late and I am sure glad I ordered the little bit extra that I did.

Ya, I figured it up and at 500iu twice a week, I would need 8400iu total. I am ordering a total of 10000iu in 5 vials. Last time I ordered all 10000iu in 1 vial because I didn't know that it didn't keep for long. I used it for my M1T cycle and had a ton left over. That was a waste of money.

Posted by: simbh

Sorry for the dumb question PP , but have you started to take any kind of substance yet being Dbol and sustanon in your case(correct me if I'm wrong) ? You say you're still waiting for a few things but just wondering if you started those two ?

Sorry if the question sounds a bit stupid , kinda new to the AAS world . I know a lot more oh ph/ps but this is kinda new to me . That's why I'm following your journal and pirate's journal very closely .

Anyways , the best of luck to you with your cycle PP . Don't hesitate to drop by my 1-ad journal too

Posted by: Purdue Power

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Originally Posted by simbh

Have you started to take any kind of substance yet being Dbol and sustanon in your case(correct me if I'm wrong) ? You say you're still waiting for a few things but just wondering if you started those two ?

No, I havn't started anything yet. I have my dbol, Letro, Nolva, T3, and my pins. I am waiting on my Sust and Winny. I don't know yet if I am gonna run the Winny for the last couple of weeks or save it for later.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

If you can afford it, i suggest a CT200 analytical Balance. I am a chem major, and we use them and they have an accuracy range from .01g up to 200g

Total overkill. You don't have to weigh the powder from the pills. Say you have a pill maker that makes 24 caps at a time and each cap holds 500 mg.

Put 2.5 d-bols (50 mg/each) into a baggie, and crush to fine powder.
Add 12 grams of cut (vitamin c, amino acids, dextrose etc) and mix completely.
Use the capping machine, and you have 5.2 mg d-bol per pill
Take 4-5/day.

This machine is one of the best investments I have ever made. Second only to swamp land in Nevada.

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

What kind of T3 will you be running PP - liquid or pills? If pills what brand?

Posted by: Purdue Power

It is liquid from IBE.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I looked on BulkNutrition to find the capping stuff. What is all of the "0" and "000" caps mean? I am going to buy the complete capping system, but what is all of the technical stuff?

Posted by: simbh

Whats up bro , good luck with your day ... cant wait to see you start.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I looked on BulkNutrition to find the capping stuff. What is all of the "0" and "000" caps mean? I am going to buy the complete capping system, but what is all of the technical stuff?

"00" are 650 mg caps and "0" are 500 mg. "000" are horse pills. I use "00" with veggie caps. Gelatin will absorb moisture more readily.This machine is much better than the Cap-M-Quick one on bn.com.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am in the process of ordering the "OO" capping machine from Universal Kits. Thanks Pirate. You continue to be my source for a lot of info. How sweet. Awwwwww

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

It is liquid from IBE.

I'll be interested to see how you get on this. I didn't think the IBE T3 was that effective, next time I try T3 I'll get tabs.

Posted by: da jock

Just wondering are you getting big for sports or for BB'ing? You have a pretty awesome physique as it stands already? Good luck!

Posted by: Purdue Power

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Originally Posted by da jock

Just wondering are you getting big for sports or for BB'ing? You have a pretty awesome physique as it stands already? Good luck!

Thanks.

I am planning on competing in my first bodybuiling competition sometime in late May or early June.

Posted by: I'm Trying

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

"00" are 650 mg caps and "0" are 500 mg. "000" are horse pills. I use "00" with veggie caps. Gelatin will absorb moisture more readily.This machine is much better than the Cap-M-Quick one on bn.com.

How many Caps come with the kit from Universalkits??

Posted by: Purdue Power

I don't think any come with it. You have to buy them separately.

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by I'm Trying

How many Caps come with the kit from Universalkits??

I think you can get something like 200 caps for $20, and you can get a capping kit for $20

Posted by: Purdue Power

No, you can get 500 vegetable caps for $16. The veggie ones are better because they won't absorb moisture and expand.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just ordered my HCG. I got 5 vials of 2000iu each. They should be here in less than a couple of weeks. I havn't got the rest of my candy yet. I will find out today where it is. It might already be in town.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I just ordered my HCG. I got 5 vials of 2000iu each.

What brand?

Posted by: Purdue Power

I got 5-2000iu vials of Profasi. The rest of my fuel should be here in the next day or two. I am really tired of waiting. I am thinking about starting my dbol now. I am really tired of waiting for everything to get here.

Posted by: Purdue Power

My impatience got the best of me. I just popped my first Dbol. I was able to cut my already-quatered tab pieces in half, so I am taking about 6.25mg at a time. This is only, at most, 2 days before I will get the rest of my supplies, so it's not like I am stretching this too far. I plan to take my ~6.25mg about every 4-5 hours throughout the day(4 doses/day).

Posted by: tryintogetbig

well good luck onyour cycle, have you taken your current measurements. also how much weight are you lookin to gain for the cycle?

Posted by: Purdue Power

My goal is to gain at least 15lbs by the end of this. I think those are modest goals, considering that is what I gained on M1T.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My goal is to gain at least 15lbs by the end of this. I think those are modest goals, considering that is what I gained on M1T.

i bet you blow up dude. good luck.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My impatience got the best of me.

That is why I got juice in the first place.

I hope your gear arrives soon, bro. I started the Sustanon first.

Posted by: Cardinal

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My impatience got the best of me. I just popped my first Dbol.

I wondered how long it would take. You made it longer than I did. I started my Superdrol 1 week before any of my stuff got here. Consequently ended up running it in place of dianabol as a kickstart. Glad to see you were able to break the pills further. Their size makes them easy to transport, but tough to dose.

Try not to break the your scale the first week. I don't think you'll have any problem with 15 lbs.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by LAM

$600 for a scale ? that's 16 - 10 ml vials of test ! lol

no, that's 3 50ml specials, if you know what i mean.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

My impatience got the best of me.

i know how you feel.
i'm sitting on my goods right now... must wait until late march.
i'm gonna be itchin' every day.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Well, the stuff got to my guy today, and he is making a trip to campus on Friday...so I will start everything then. I took four divided doses of my candy(my pet name for my Dbol) for a total of 25mg. I am headed back shortly for bis and tris. I don't know if I should expect some extra pumps yet, but I will wear the shorter sleaved shirt just in case.

Posted by: I'm Trying

I must have missed how long your cycle is going to be. You should have no problem gaining the 15 lbs. Should be a walk in the park.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am going for 12 weeks once I start the Sustanon. I have started the dbol only 2 days early. I think minus the water retention, I should be able to gain the 15lbs fairly easily.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Had my first lift with some candy in my system. I did bis and tris and the babies were swelling quite nicely. Nothing painful, but they were definately swelling bigger than usual. I tried to not let it get to my head, but a lot of guys were commenting to their lifting partner and staring while I was working out. Although they were mostly Resolutionaries in there, it still made me feel good. I can't wait till more of it builds up in my system.

Posted by: Pirate!

You probably will get your 15 lbs. I think I'll get close.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I was wondering today when the jacked labido was going to arive. I assumed that it would be going non-stop, so I was a little discouraged this morning when it was still in normal gear. I guess all that I needed was some slight stimulation. All that it took was a girl in class this morning giving me those eyes in the middle of class and she leaned over to her friend and said something and they both gave me the eyes. I knew then that the candy was having an effect on the stick and giggleberries at that point. I had to actually concentrate on Economics to keep under control. Thanks Dbol...you changed my life.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

"Thanks Dbol...you changed my life." yes thanks purdue i finally found something to put in my sig.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Your the man

Posted by: simbh

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I was wondering today when the jacked labido was going to arive. I assumed that it would be going non-stop, so I was a little discouraged this morning when it was still in normal gear. I guess all that I needed was some slight stimulation. All that it took was a girl in class this morning giving me those eyes in the middle of class and she leaned over to her friend and said something and they both gave me the eyes. I knew then that the candy was having an effect on the stick and giggleberries at that point. I had to actually concentrate on Economics to keep under control. Thanks Dbol...you changed my life.

I know what you mean dude. Been on 1-ad for the 4th day now and it starting to have similar effect. I know 1-ad is candy compared to your cycle but the basis is there ... Had the same thing as you , a girl started looking at me in economics class also and she kept smiling at me . I was really turned on had trouble to concentrate. May I add that she has a identitical twin sister and they were sitting next to each other. I'll just pass on what went throught my mind

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by simbh

Hey simbh, are you running 1-AD alone? I thought 1-AD whacked libido if taken without 4-AD.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I was horny as hell when I was on 1AD for my first cycle. On my 2nd cycle, it lasted about 2 weeks.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I took a dose of ~6.25mg of candy this morning and my usual ECA stack. I think my blood pressure spiked a little high from it. I started to feel sick in class from it. It passed after about 15min. It could have had a lot to do with me not getting much sleep last night and having a damn 7:30 class. Is this a big no-no that I didn't think to ask about(taking dbol and ECA at the same time)?

Posted by: simbh

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Originally Posted by redspy

Hey simbh, are you running 1-AD alone? I thought 1-AD whacked libido if taken without 4-AD.

Ya , I am taking it alone ... My libido is a bit down , but its not that bd. I'm only taking 300mg/daily . From what I've been seing up till now , Ive been pretty ok , a bit tired , but I can live with it.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I took another dose of Dbol and ECA withing an hour of each other and felt strange again. I can only attribute it to that now, so no more ECA. I will just take some caffein in the morning. I am assuming that I shouldn't even think about Clen anytime while I am still on Dbol. Any experienced opinions on this?

Posted by: redspy

I wouldn't recommend taking clen with dbol, you're asking for blood pressure issues if you do this. Save the clen for PCT.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am done with the ECA for awhile. I should be fine without it. I might ge back on it for a couple of weeks after the candy is done when I am just solo on Sust. The ECA does wonders for my classes. I will just go with the caffein for awhile. I am planning on running some T3 still for the last part of my cycle, so I won't have to worry about Clen till PCT. I will be getting the rest of my supplies tomorrow around 7. You had better believe that I am going to mix it up and take a first run as soon as I get home.

Posted by: Pirate!

ECA was a bad idea, IMO. I know you don't want to gain fat, but you need a high calories consumed/calories burned ratio. What you are feeling is blood pressure spikes. Not fun. Clen would be worse. Hopefully, you take it easy with the T3 when you get there. If you are going to bulk and cut in the same cycle, I suggest you at least divide it into a bulking phase and cutting phase. Bulk for 8 weeks, then cut until pct, for example. The only way I put on so much weight during the first three weeks of my cycle was by eating way over maintenance, and I didn't get fat. The water retention will serve you well. You will hold less water on the stimulants, too. Get sleep instead. So, wasn't today supposed to be the first shot?

Posted by: Purdue Power

It was SUPPOSED to be my first shot, but the asshole didn't come to campus tonight. He is gonna come tomorrow now. If he doesn't come tomorrow, I am gonna stop my dbol and wait till I get my stuff. This is getting rediculous.

Posted by: redspy

112 posts and no shots yet!

Hope everything arrives okay today.

Posted by: Purdue Power

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Originally Posted by redspy

112 posts and no shots yet!

Ya, I started the journal while I was still in the researching phase so that it would be there for others who are researching in the future to read. That is why I started my journal in the first place...that and to get steady feedback for myself.

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Just teasing bro. Pirate's and your log have been very interesting so far.

Posted by: Luke9583

I agree..... thanks

Posted by: Purdue Power

Well, seeing as how so many people like to do good business and keep clients, I have to drive and meet my source halfway to get my stuff. Better Business Bureau awards await this assclown.

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Well, seeing as how so many people like to do good business and keep clients, I have to drive and meet my source halfway to get my stuff. Better Business Bureau awards await this assclown.

Some people have no idea about customer service. I'd definitely report him to the BBB and Federal Trade Commisssion...

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I have to drive and meet my source halfway to get my stuff.

I hope it is a domestic source!

If you ordered from China, you would be screwed on that one.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Well, I just pinned myself for the first time. It was even easier than I thought it would be. I hit my right cheek this time. I am gonna have to warm it up in a hot water bath in the sink next time. It was really slow going through the 23g. Just a tiny drop of blood when I pulled it out, so all went perfect. I was supposed to hit the upper-outer quadrant, right? And just go at least 1/2inch in?

Posted by: redspy

The injection site sounds fine. Are you using 1.5" pins for glute shots?

Posted by: Purdue Power

Ya, they are 1 1/2in. The site is pretty sore today, but it is due to a lot of movement while I was trying to push the oil through. There isn't any bruising, just dull soreness. I am looking forward to my next injection. What size should I use for quads and delts?

Posted by: Pirate!

You should push the needle all the way in. I like 1" for delts, quads, and glutes. I don't see the need for longer ones except for people with more fat. Shorter ones for calfs, pecs, traps etc. I doubt you are brave enough for traps yet. I haven't tried that. I heat it enough to move it through a 25 g, but glutes shots would still be shaky if I did them. I gave my dad a shot yesterday with a 23 g (not heated) in the glute with no problem at all, but I think cyp is less viscous than sus. I'd rather use warm oil and take 25 seconds than use a 23 gauge and take 10-15 seconds.

Posted by: soxmuscle

PFH -- You, and your dad are doing cycles together?

Posted by: Purdue Power

Isn't that sweet??

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

PFH -- You, and your dad are doing cycles together?

His Dad's on medically approved HRT.

Posted by: Cardinal

Wow! That makes it so much safer to run AAS cycles since his dad has a prescription. If ever it were found on a search of the house or by accident, guess who could claim it and not get in any trouble over it?

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Wow! That makes it so much safer to run AAS cycles since his dad has a prescription. If ever it were found on a search of the house or by accident, guess who could claim it and not get in any trouble over it?

Sounds good, until you try to explain the orals and other stuff.

As redspy said, my dad is on HRT. How do you think I learned how to shoot? Its as simple as brushing my teeth. Did it with one hand the other day while talking on the phone. Can't brush your teeth and do that.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am gradually getting my appetite up enough to be bulking. I am throwing grilled PB sandwiches in a couple times a day and taking in plenty of carbs with every meal instead of every 2 or 3 meals. My lifts have been barely better than normal so far. It is probably just a mental thing. The dbol should kick in full force within the next few days. Fun ride from that point. My legs are sore as hell from my lift that I just got back from. I think I strained my hamstring. It feels high enough that it might be partly my groin too. Nothing too bad, though.

Posted by: simbh

Good luck dude ... can't wait to see how you do.

I sure am liking my 1-ad ... Got about 4 pounds in a week. If I can get that in a week , you can get at least a good 10 with debol.

Posted by: Purdue Power

My injection site is worse today. It hurts like hell. Still no bruising, but it hurts to sit on and it hurts when I walk or when my glutes flex to stand up. Please tell me that this is only due to the moving around of the needle. I hope this isn't an abcess, if I know correctly what an abcess is. There isn't a noticible swell until I flex my ass and then a small part shows. I looks like a small swollen mound. Is it possible to have an abcess on the first injection in that spot?

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just talked to a friend of mine on the phone and descibed what was going on. He said that I just got a fever in the site and that I will be fine. I knew I was being paranoid, but I just wanted to make sure. I was feeling light headed this morning at the thought of having to go to the doctor for it.

Posted by: redspy

You'll be fine. Take an OTC anti-inflammatory and it should help reduce the swelling and ease the pain. If it gets worst you'll have to go to the doc and get some antibiotics.

Did you read DG's sticky on causes of injection pain?

Posted by: Cardinal

I figured you probably didn't have an absess on the very first shot. Noone has such crappy luck. If you don't already maybe make a point to get the oil nice and hot before injection, making sure to take plenty of time to massage the area afterwards. Shoot slowly as all hell. I wouldn't guess so many experienced juicers rub on their own ass if it doesn't help quite a bit with the pain.

Hopefully you won't get as bad of a reaction as I have several times now as your cycle progresses.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Well, the day is already off to a bad start. My ass is still hurting and still has the knot. And worse than that, while I was working last night I had someone bring me a triple from Wendy's. That order apparantly came with some mild food poisoning. I am headed back to bed. I'm not going to classes, but you bet your ass I am going to the gym tonight.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I can't even walk down the hallway from the living room to my bedroom without throwing up. I tried getting down a shake with just the powder, but the walk to my bedroom brought that back up. I feel so helpless.

Posted by: vellanator

Rough luck bro...rest up.

Posted by: simbh

While your at it , why don't you watch supersize me ... You'll never eat fast food again. With that food poisoning in mind , you'll fear the fast food

J/k Hope you get better dude. I think it would be better to lay off the gym for tonight.

Posted by: redspy

Hang in there bro, you'll be back to your normal self soon.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just got back from the ER. I was extremely dehydrated and I couldn't even keep water down. They put me on and IV and gave me some stuff for nausea and headache. I am doing better now, but still feel drained. They said that it may not be food poisoning, but just a reaction to all the grease since my body isn't used to it. I am gonna eat my first meal hear in a little while and hope it stays down. A smaller bowl of oatmeal with some protein and honey.

On a positive note, my workout yesterday went very well. We did chest and the last few reps of each set were more in control. Where I would have ususally given out at the tiring point, I was able to push through 2 or 3 more reps.

I told my lifting partner about me starting my cycle. She was very dissapointed in me. She told me that it wasn't worth it and that I have no idea what adverse effects it could have on me, personally. She has been around steroids and people that do them for a long time, so these aren't uneducated things that she was telling me. Here is my thinking though: I did fine through the M1T cycle, and that is so much harsher on the body than what Sust is. So if I take all of the precautions like I did with the M1T, which I am with this cycle too, I will be fine. And I have researched about it for a long time, so I know what I am doing and what I am getting into.

Posted by: Luke9583

well that sucks man

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Sorry to hear she did not take it well. Just be smart about it and you will be fine. The doctors at the E.R. said the sickness was fom the grease?? I know the first time i took 1-ad & 4-ad , both were capsules i got sick as hell by the 2 or 3rd day, doctor said it was a reaction to the increased Test. Since then i have done a couple other cycles of PH/PS and have been fine. Just a thought though. Hope you can get back to eating right real soon!

Posted by: Purdue Power

I have done a few ph cycles, and never got anything like this. I don't really feel like my test levels are that high yet. I could definately tell they were high from the 4Derm on my M1T cycle, but I guess it is still a possibility.

I just ate a bowl of oatmeal with some whey and honey. I couldn't finish my bowl last night, but I made it through the one this morning. I still don't feel well enough to walk to my classes, so I am gonna stay in again. The ER nurse said that I needed to take today off anyways. I have the slip from the ER, so my professors have to excuse me.

Today is supposed to be my 2nd injection. I think I am going to hit my quads for this and the next injection so I can get a little more skilled at it. If I hit one of my glutes again anytime soon, I will probably to the same that I did last time(scraping too much from moving the needle). I didn't take any dbol yesterday, but I just took some a couple minutes ago. I might have to get some B12 to jump start my appetite. I know it is going to be a few days before I can eat the same portions that I did before. After a day of nothing in my stomach, I am sure that is shrank considerably.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I was hungry less that two hours after my oatmeal. Hopefully my appetite will be able to get me to eat at least every 3 hours. I am going to go ahead with my second injection sometime today. I am going to hit my right quad. Hopefully I can keep the needle a little steadier this time.

I am still feeling really drained and am downing the water. The blood tests at the ER showed that my electrolytes were still high, so that isn't a problem. I got about 9 or 10 hours of sleep last night, so I should be caught up on that. I might take a nap later today.

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Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

I know the first time i took 1-ad & 4-ad , both were capsules i got sick as hell by the 2 or 3rd day, doctor said it was a reaction to the increased Test. Since then i have done a couple other cycles of PH/PS and have been fine.

Did you get better once your body got used to the increased test on that cycle, or did you stop your cycle after that happened?

Posted by: simbh

Sorry to hear that about your lifting partner bro . Seems your doing better from that virus or grease eating disorder thing. Hang on , and good luck with the rest of your cycle ... Kind of a bad coincidence that it happens when you start your aas cycle.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just did my 2nd injection. I hit my right quad this time. Soooo much easier than hitting my glute. I didn't even need to warm the oil. I remembered to pull back the plunger to check for aspiration first this time. The oil took a little while to push through, but nothing major. Just a few drops worth of blood after I pulled out. I might go back to my glutes after I hit my other quad and then my delts....after I get some more practice.

My appetite still isn't even close to desirable. I had a chicken breast at about 1:30, and I have had a constant gut churn ever since.

Posted by: Pirate!

I don't know why it didn't go through, but I tried to make a post earlier today. Two things:
1) I'd stop the juice and wait a few more weeks (nolva in the meantime). I know you won't do this, though.
2) My sustanon doesn't hurt at all. Everytime I read posts of people having the pain and knot that you speak of, it is because they got it from some bath tub homebrew operation. Pharm grade sus isn't cheap, but its better than the alternative.
I hope you recovery swiftly, bro.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am only gonna be out for one more day, at the most. I fully expect to be back in the gym tomorrow.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Purdue - yeah i just stopped the cycle completly, then a month later when i went to try PH again i ran oral 1-ad and tansdermal 4-ad and everything was fine.

Did you make it to the gym today???

Hope everything is back on track after you injection the other day??

Are you back to taking ur normal dose od d-bol?

Posted by: Pirate!

The stress that the d-bol puts on your liver is exactly what you don't need while sick. Back in the gym or not, you health and performance will suffer. When you got sick after just one shot and one or two workouts, you knew you should go off cycle. If you couldn't walk due to pain in the region which you shot, you have gear qualities issues. My cycle has been full of problems, but health comes first, Bro. I believe you are sacraficing your health because of your impatience. Not trying to step on your toes, I'm just trying to be reasonable and prudent. The gear you are using will put serious stress on your immune system. Being sick already jacks your liver values. Big mistake, IMO, but that is the last I will say of it. Best wishes with whatever you do.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Not being able to walk wasn't from injection site pain. It was from being so dehydrated.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am feeling much better today. The only thing not back to normal is my appetite and a frequent gut churn. As expected after 2 days that totaled 3 meals, my stomach has shrank so I am going to have to stretch it and get myself used to eating every 2 hours again. I just went and bought some 2000mcg B12's to get my appetite back up there. I am going to go lift later this evening. I have managed 3 meals so far today, so not all is lost. My energy and sense of self is fully restored, so that is the most important thing.

I didn't take any dbol yesterday, and am only going to take a couple doses today. I will take one an hour before I lift and another 4 hours after that. I will resume normal dosing tomorrow. If I get any of the symptoms again that I had, I will quit everything altogether. I am not convinced that everything was due to the steroids, but I am not saying that is wasn't either. I am still open as to the cause.

Posted by: Pirate!

I seriously doubt the juice made you sick, but d-bol stresses the hell out of the liver, making recovery from illness more difficult.

I highly recommend you use ALA for your appetite. That stuff will drive glucose into your muscles so fast that you will be hungry 3 hours after a huge meal. I can eat tons of food and pop 400 mg ALA before going to bed, and I can't sleep because I get so damn hungry in the middle of the night. Great stuff to stimulate appetite. Helps me get over 5K cals a day with no problems.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just got back from doing bis and tris. I had the biggest bicep swell that I have ever had. I had to take a bathroom break after my first tri excercise. The gut aches were getting to be too much. I spent at least 10min in the bathroom deucing all kinds of evil in there. And just after the previous sentence, I just spent another 10min in there....well, enough Dale'n.

My strength was surprisingly the same as it was the last time I lifted. I didn't get a chance to weight myself to see how much weight I have lost over the past couple of days, but I am sure that with the water weight and the lack of food, I have lost over 5lbs. Hopefully I will make as much progress health wise over tonight as I did over last night. I start my first shift serving at a bar tomorrow, so I hope my stomach has settled down by then, or I will spend most of my shift in the bathroom.

Posted by: Pirate!

4 mg of Loperamide HCL every 4 hours with lots of water does wonders.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am hungry again this morning. I took it for granted for so long. I had trouble eating again yesterday though. I would feel sick after eating half of my meal. I know I am not completely over this and my stomach has shrank quite a bit. Maybe my stomach needs some HCG. My next injection is today. I will update after that and my lift.

O, and on a Dale-like sidenote, I had my first solid shit in a long time. That was welcomed.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

sorry to hear u are not back to full health. Get lots of sleep tongiht so you will hopefully be back to 100% tomorrow!

Posted by: Purdue Power

I warmed the oil before this injection, and everything flowed so much easier. I hit my left quad this time and there was no pain and no blood. Hopefully I am getting the hang of it now. I will give my delts a try for the next couple of injections.

My workout went well, but I was still plagued by a gut ache the whole time. My appetite is really weird right now. I will be feeling hungry and then a couple minutes later, the hunger is replaced with an uneasy feeling. I am still better than I was yesterday, so each day is a small step to regularity.

I weighed myself after I lifted today, and I am still at 200lbs. I am assuming that the water retention made up for what I lost in everything else.

Posted by: I'm Trying

Well hope you get better Purdue. Take it easy for alittle while so you can get better bro.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I am feeling much better this morning. I was able to eat a full bowl of oatmeal with honey and whey in it. No gut churns so far. Hopefully this will last the whole day. I am planning on taking a full 25mg of dbol today. My injection site from last night is a little sore this morning. Hopefully it won't affect legs tonight.

Posted by: I'm Trying

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I am feeling much better this morning. I was able to eat a full bowl of oatmeal with honey and whey in it. No gut churns so far. Hopefully this will last the whole day. I am planning on taking a full 25mg of dbol today. My injection site from last night is a little sore this morning. Hopefully it won't affect legs tonight.

Glad to hear that bro. I'm hoping its all good for ya.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Correction from my last post: I feel fucking awesome today. I knew I would as soon as the sickness was gone. I am so greatful to be back. This might also be part of that "sense of anabolic well-being" that I read about so many times. Thanks again, Dbol. You changed my life.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just got back from my leg workout. Everything went great. I did leg press today, which I havn't done in months, so I can't gauge any strength gain from that. My quads and calves were swollen to hell. It was a good time.

I felt great all day and my appetite held strong too. It isn't up to what is used to be. I was able to eat every 3hrs or so, but I am satisfied with that for today considering what I just came out of.

Posted by: Pirate!

D-bol gave me wicked pumps, and I felt good most of the time, but it made me tired and sleep more. Tired in the morning, too.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I have found that I can easily sleep for 8 hrs now. I used to do fine with 6hrs or so. I don't feel tired during the day though. I am pumped and squirrley all day. It could just be feeling normal relative to how I felt the past few days though. I am definately over this. I just had a double meat melt from Subway and it felt good to eat a big mess of bulk. Aaaannnnd, I just sharted, so I need to go.

Posted by: simbh

Hey dude , Glad to see you're doing better

Make sure to post your workout next time ... I want to see your reps / weights !! Seing that you were already pretty damn big before you started this , you'll be lifting crazy with this dude ... Anyways , keep it up , and once again , glad to see your back on your feet

Posted by: Purdue Power

Here is my split-
Mon-legs
Tue-chest
Wed- shoulder AM bis & tris PM
Thu- off
Fri- back and traps
Sat- light chest and bis & a couple shoulders
Sun- off

I throw in 1 or 2 excercises for abs a few days a week
I do cardio on the bike whenever I get a chance to get back in the gym at night, which is usually 2 or 3 times a week, sometimes more.

I will post my actual workouts when I get a chance to.

Posted by: simbh

Cool , I'm looking forward to see your progress with the weights !

Posted by: Purdue Power

The chest workout went well today. Not much gain in the way of strength, but the last few reps of each set felt like they were under a lot more control. My swell was nice, though. I will try to weigh myself tomorrow to see if I have gained anything so far.

My left quad is still really sore from Sunday's injection...moreso than what the right one was. I know that it will pass, but it is very nagging.

I have been able to eat a lot today. Once again, it is so great to be back to normal.

Posted by: thatguy

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I seriously doubt the juice made you sick, but d-bol stresses the hell out of the liver, making recovery from illness more difficult.

I highly recommend you use ALA for your appetite. That stuff will drive glucose into your muscles so fast that you will be hungry 3 hours after a huge meal. I can eat tons of food and pop 400 mg ALA before going to bed, and I can't sleep because I get so damn hungry in the middle of the night. Great stuff to stimulate appetite. Helps me get over 5K cals a day with no problems.

Good advice. I'll try that next time I bulk.

Posted by: thatguy

Good to see that things are back to normal now, Purdue. Food poisoning sucks - I've been down that road and back and it isn't fun.

I know you haven't really gained much weight so far because you got sick, but have the strength increases been significant yet?

Posted by: Purdue Power

The strength gains havn't been that much yet. The last few reps feel more under control now, and I can squeeze 2 or 3 more controlled reps out of each set. I am more concerned with mass gains though.

I am holding on to more than my fair share of water. Hopefully once I drop the dbol, I will be able to lose some of it. I havn't been able to do much cardio lately either, so that is probably part of the problem. I will most likely head in tonight for some bike time.

What are some opinions on Pirate's consideration of throwing in some 1-T or M1T into his mix for some added gains?

Posted by: Pirate!

You will still hold a lot of water after the d-bol phase. Expect the bloat to stay. You could experiment with Femera for controling the bloat, but that stuff is too strong for me to balance without libido loss. I've been off the d-bol for a month and still won't do M1T because I don't want to jack my liver. I wouldn't add any anabolic to your cycle until you are very used to how you react to the test. The sustanon may "kick in" after 3 weeks, but it continues to raise your test levels for a while. I'm feeling it as much as ever eight weeks in. By the time you are eight weeks in, I'll be able to tell you if 1-T would be worth throwing in the mix.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Ok, here is the start of my routine postings. I am going to do one or two body parts per post, because I don't have much time at once to get it all in.

Legs-
Squats- varying sets each week:3x12, 3x5, 4x10..so on
I wrap once every 4 or 5 weeks and do 3xfailure

Front squats- usually aim for 3x10-12
*Leg Press every once in awhile in place of squats and front squats- 4 sets to failure
Leg Curls(1 of 2 different machines) 3x8-10
Abductor Machine- 3x15-20
Leg Extention(plate loaded, single leg) 3x8,3x10,3x12
Horizontal Calf Machine- 2 sets- toes inward to failure, rest till burn goes away, toes strait, rest till burn goes away, then so on going to pointed out, back to straight, then inward again
*I mix in lunges if time permits; 3 sets to failure

My general sets and reps philosophy is to keep it in chaos. I make sure I do different sets and reps each week for my primary lifts. I have no pattern set, just make sure I do different each week. I generally aim for a certain number of reps, but always go to failure.

Posted by: Purdue Power

For chest I mix it up a lot each week.
I alter whether I start with a flat chest excercise or an incline.

I mix in flat bench, flat dumbell bench, incline bench, incline dumbell, decline bench, incline machine bench, incline dumbell flies, fly machines, and cable flies. I do about 4 exercises per workout and stay chaotic on the sets and reps. I try to stick with something resembling P/RR/S and go to failure each set.

I try to pick one flat benching excercise, one incline, and a fly. I throw in decline most of the time and hit incline machine at the end if time permits. If there is something that I didn't hit on one chest day in the week, I am sure to hit it the next of the week.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Just got back from my shoulder workout. I just did shoulders and abs tonight...gonna wait till tomorrow for bis and tris. I had a great swell going the whole time and my strength was up for every lift. I have gained at least 3 lbs since I last weighed myself, whenever that was.

Here is my generalized shoulder workout. Again, I try to do varying excercises each shoulder workout and vary the order in which I do them.

Arnold Presses - 3 sets x failure
I ususally start with 85s and go down 5-10lbs each set to stay at 8- 12 reps
2 forms of lateral raises - I pick btw seated dumbell, standing bent arm dumbell and machine; usually 3 sets of anywhere from 8-20 for each excercise
2 forms of rear delts - I choose 2 out of a laydown machine, seated bent over dumbell, standing bent over dumbell, or cables: 3-4 sets of at least 10 reps each set for each excercise
Standing Alternating Front Raises - 3 sets to failure; at least 10 each arm
Cable Neutral Grip Front Raises - same as previous

Whether noted or not, I go to failure with each excercise.

I just had my post-wo shake about 30-45 min ago, and I am already hungry. The appetite is jacked higher than before the sickness. Goodtimes.

Posted by: Purdue Power

The test appetite is definately kicked in. I had a big bowl of oatmeal with whey and honey this morning, and less than an hour later, I was starving. I had 5 eggs and a Krispy Kreme. I was hungry less than 2 hours later. Bulking is a good place to be.

I noticed this morning that I have gained a decent amount of size already, especially in my chest and shoulders.

Posted by: Purdue Power

My bis and tris workout was insane tonight. My arms were swollen up like a fucking monster. My strength was up some too. I am doing my 4th injection later on tonight. I am probably going to wait until after I do cardio and take a shower.

I am in a permanant awesome mood now. I am beginning to get the Superman feeling that I was told would come with test. This is good stuff, and I know it is only going to get better once the Sust fully kicks in. I have been horny as hell all of the time, too. It is about time to just break down and be a manho. It has been awhile since I have had a one-nighter. Looks like tomorrow night will bring good fortune.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

LOL you go boi! I've been lurking and learning from you Purdue. . What better research can I do than watch guys as they hit their own and then put it out there for us all? Thanks for posting as you do.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just hit my left delt. It was pretty painful and there was a little bit of blood when I pulled it out. It didn't take long to stop the bleeding, but I hope I didn't lost much oil. I am assuming that it all stayed in, since the blood vessel that was hit was above where the oil was injected. Hopefully my shoulder won't be sore like all my other sites have been so far. My left quad is finally back to normal today from Sundays injection.

Posted by: Cardinal

I think it was mudge that suggested the possibility of sticking mainly with glutes if you are only injecting twice per week. The logic being that there is plenty of room to move around on your ass. I wish I had done that rather than trying a tricep injection! Just something to think about.

I think you can work around problems in with ass pain easier than you can other places. Delts, quads, tri's, bi's and traps would all compromise lifting to some extent.

Glad to see your cycle is going well now!

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Glad to hear that your back in the gym and hitting the weights hard. Definetly a interesting journal, keep us updated. How much weight have you put on total. Also
are you going to keep your journal going thru PCT, I would liek to know how much weight and how the gains stayed after finishing PCT.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Ya, I am just going to stick with glutes and quads for my injection sites, unless my shoulder doesn't get sore.

I have gained about 5lbs so far...and yes, I am going to continue my journal throughout my pct.

I seem to be getting bigger every time I look in the mirror. This is a good ride so far.

Posted by: Pirate!

I'm jealous. I can't get my chest to grow. Everything else is developing well. Sounds like you are doing well now. It surprises me that delts shots hurt you. That is my favorite spot. Is it the needle or the oil that hurts?

Posted by: Purdue Power

It was the needle that hurt. It is already sore this morning. It will probably only get worse in the next day or two.

It appears that my body fat has been dropping too. I can still see that water retention, especially in my nipples. They get a little puffy whenever I hold water. That was what causes my gyno scare during my M1T cycle. There was never any itching or burning, just puffiness.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just got back from doing back and traps.....INSANE! My strength is way up today. I made light work of everything that I normally do. This shit is great. My sore shoulder didn't play a factor at all. If I just move it around first, it loosens up the soreness. I was told by a good friend that he would always inject right before a shoulder so that the warm water of the shower loosens up the muscle and lets the oil flow and not well up. I will try that next time.

This is one hell of a ride.

I am heading to the Chinese buffet here in a little while, so I took 400mg of ALA and 2000mcg of B12 to jack my appetite. I gotta get the most for my money.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I've been taking my dbol in 4 doses throughout the day for the whole time. That seems to be working well. I usually take it every 4 hours or so, but I adjust to make sure that I take it an hour before I lift...whether I have to take some a little later or a little earlier than normal. I definately wouldn't suggest taking it within 3 hours of sleeping though. That has kept me up a few times so far.

My shoulder is still sore from the injection. It is noticably bigger than the right side from the inflamation. What is the best OTC anti-inflamatory to take?

Posted by: Cardinal

When I was searching for info on what to take, I came across the recommendation to use advil or apsirin most often. Aspirin probably for the blood thinning properties as well.

Posted by: Purdue Power

Another note: I have been increasing my intensity and the length of my workouts, the length only slightly. I just go until I am burnt out. I push every aspect to failure...my sets and my overall workout.

Well, off to do light chest and bis. I ought to come out with a nice swell.

Posted by: Pirate!

Careful, you can overtrain on juice. Glad to hear you are making good gains. Naproxen is the best OTC anti-inflammatory. D-bol made me sleep more, not less, and I have insomnia issues.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I just got back from chest and bis. The swells were insane again. The strength wasn't any higher for chest, but I just did tris on Thu, so they might still be worn down. My weight is still at 205, but since I was working 10:30-6, all I had was protein bars, so I wasn't able to throw down all the mess that I usually do.

My shoulder is still sore. I don't think that it affected my lifting much, but a friend of mine gave me a "how ya doing" slap on that shoulder and it wasn't too fun. I had to check to make sure there wasn't any blood running down.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Purdue - you said you were doing cardio 2-3 time a week, have you thought about cutting that down ot once a week, to keep from burning calories while bulkin on your cycle, then adding in more cardio durning PCT?? Just a though

When i bulk i don't even run at all, just simply due to the fact of having such a high metabolism anyways. Don't know if thats the best but it works for me.

Something i found for quick meals, they have Quaker Oatmeal quick cups, it only takes 1 min to cook oats in microwave, i take then to work with me all the time.

Also how far are you in your cycle right now???

Posted by: Purdue Power

I don't make it to do cardio more than once a week anyways, lately. I really don't like being winded from all the little things, too. That is another reason why I do cardio. As far as burning off too many calories, I am taking in a lot now, so I don't think that cardio is going to put a dent in my caloric intake. I have started throwing in Totinos pizzas to add an extra 740 calories to meals.

Last night I ate a big chicken breast and one of those pizzas and an hour later I was hungry again so my lifting partner and I went for some 1am IHOP. My appetite sure as hell can handle this well.

I am about to do my 5th injection, so that puts me at the beginning of my 3rd week of Sust.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

adding in more cardio durning PCT??

Cardio during pct would be more detrimental than on cycle. I'm not going to do a minute of cardio for at least 4 weeks during pct.

Posted by: Mudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I think it was mudge that suggested the possibility of sticking mainly with glutes if you are only injecting twice per week. The logic being that there is plenty of room to move around on your ass. I wish I had done that rather than trying a tricep injection! Just something to think about.

2 cheeks, 2 shots a week, works fine. I have a graph showing higher blood plasma levels with ass shots too.

Posted by: Luke9583

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I have a graph showing higher blood plasma levels with ass shots too.

That's it. I've seen everything

Posted by: Mudge

You've seen everything, when you've seen the dude injecting into his testicles.

Posted by: Purdue Power

The delt shot went fine. Hopefully it won't be as sore as the left side was. I am just gonna stick with ass for the most part from now on. I am an ass man anyways.

Posted by: Purdue Power

I did legs today and had another great lift. When I was getting dressed to lift, I noticed that my large T-Shirts are fitting pretty tight now. I did leg press again, so I can't really gauge my strength increase for squats, but all of my axillaries were up. My swells were going nicely too.

I weighed myself after I lifted, and even after a lot of sweating, I was up to 208. My labido seems to be getting higher and higher by the day. The morning woods take about 10-15 min to fade out, and the slightest flirtation from a girl requires some effort to keep a tent from pitching.

My right delt is still sore today, but not that bad. I am going to hit my left glute next time and hopefully the needle won't move so much and I won't have all the pain.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

You've seen everything, when you've seen the dude injecting into his testicles.

Do you have a graph for that?

Hey Purdue, did you start the hcg yet? Enjoy the libido while you have it. It will probably level off eventually. Are you taking nolva or something for estro? I know you have femera.

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