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Posted by: Mags

Some of you guys may have seen me on here the other day asking about PCT as I thought I'd already sorted what would've been my first steroid cycle. Thanks to the experienced blokes who posted, I kind of realised I still have quite abit to understand. So I'm back at square one. Previously thinking of just running a 6-8 week cycle of Dbol with prepared pct, some of you dudes educated me into looking at stacks and other anabolics before. Basically get the first part sorted out before the end. I further researched other drugs and there effects etc like advised.

I was thinking of running a deca/sust cycle as I read deca is highly anabolic yet low androgenic, obviously not producing the usual side effects and not too much of an interuption of the bodies own hormonal system, is this accurate? Secondly, Sustanon also was supposed to give good results at lower dosages than other Tests, whilst also giving less side effects than the others due to again, the lower dosages. Is this true? Also, run anavar, winstrol etc, it'll give yet better muscular gains, removing some of the 'puffiness' of water retention etc and also enable you to keep your gains more easily and for longer, when completing the cycle. Again, any truth to this?

Secondly, I read also that Arnold used to run a dianobol/primobolan depot cycle. Is this good as obviously Dianobol works quickly and gives good results and primobolan is supposed to be the cleanest and gentlest anabolic as it doesn't aromatise and is non-toxic due to low androgenic properties, so makes good muscular gains, yet hardens the look.m Is this true so therefore a good combination?

If I can get some good advice, that'd be great and then I could further my plans of a decent cyle and pct. Thanks again for all those who have previously helped me.


Posted by: Tough Old Man

I'd just run a Test only cycle @ 500mg/ew split Mon and Thurs for 8-10 for your first cycle and then pct.


Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by Mags
Some of you guys may have seen me on here the other day asking about PCT as I thought I'd already sorted what would've been my first steroid cycle. Thanks to the experienced blokes who posted, I kind of realised I still have quite abit to understand. So I'm back at square one. Previously thinking of just running a 6-8 week cycle of Dbol with prepared pct, some of you dudes educated me into looking at stacks and other anabolics before. Basically get the first part sorted out before the end. I further researched other drugs and there effects etc like advised.

I was thinking of running a deca/sust cycle as I read deca is highly anabolic yet low androgenic, obviously not producing the usual side effects and not too much of an interuption of the bodies own hormonal system, is this accurate? Secondly, Sustanon also was supposed to give good results at lower dosages than other Tests, whilst also giving less side effects than the others due to again, the lower dosages. Is this true? Also, run anavar, winstrol etc, it'll give yet better muscular gains, removing some of the 'puffiness' of water retention etc and also enable you to keep your gains more easily and for longer, when completing the cycle. Again, any truth to this?

Secondly, I read also that Arnold used to run a dianobol/primobolan depot cycle. Is this good as obviously Dianobol works quickly and gives good results and primobolan is supposed to be the cleanest and gentlest anabolic as it doesn't aromatise and is non-toxic due to low androgenic properties, so makes good muscular gains, yet hardens the look.m Is this true so therefore a good combination?

If I can get some good advice, that'd be great and then I could further my plans of a decent cyle and pct. Thanks again for all those who have previously helped me.
for many deca is worse on the HPTA than using test and other mild androgens. For cost vs effect Primo is a waste of money. Sust is way overrated. IMO the combination of steroids with different esters make it harder to keep blood level concentrations stable.

for your first cycle all you need is some form of test and run it for 10 weeks @ 500 mg/wk. no need to stack your first cycle as you won't know how each steorid effects you. if you start off stacking you basically don't learn squat.

IMO if you don't have the time to use steroids properly and safely then don't bother using them.


Posted by: Mags

So basically, a good cycle would be Test. Cyp for 10 weeks (is that abit long?) then get on the nolvadex and HCG as pct. When would I start the Nolva and HCG, toward the end of the cycle, throughout or simply at the end of the cycle?

"IMO if you don't have the time to use steroids properly and safely then don't bother using them."-LAM

Amen to that Lam, that's my entire approach and reason for all these (probably monotonous for you guys) questions. Wanna get everything right before I even start, from the cycle to the pct. Cheers for the info you lot keep giving me, much appreciated by this young padowin. laters


Posted by: Mags

Again, soz if being a dumb-ass, but what does IMO mean please? Nice one chaps


Posted by: LAM

IMO = in my opionion


Posted by: LAM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mags
So basically, a good cycle would be Test. Cyp for 10 weeks (is that abit long?) then get on the nolvadex and HCG as pct. When would I start the Nolva and HCG, toward the end of the cycle, throughout or simply at the end of the cycle?
for long ester steroids you need to run them for at least 10 weeks because it takes 2-3 weeks for blood cocentration levels to accumulate to the point where you see gains.

Nolvadex you need to have before you start the cycle for several reasons. if signs of gyno apper you need to have nolva on hand to treat it immediately. if you start to get really bloated nolva can help to reduce that. the best way to use HCG is during the cycle the entire cycle to prevent the testes from shrinking. by doing this it makes for a more successfull PCT.


Posted by: Mags

So run the HCG along the entire cycle and nolva if problems crop up, but how long after do you have to use the nolva/HCG if you're already on it? as for the Test Cyp, 1 to 3 weeks to start gains, is this a long time or the standard time for blood concentrations to get up to speed? I know you can kickstart with Dbol, but for a first timer, Test.Cyp is ok on it's own? Cheers, you guys are really helping me out.


Posted by: ryuage

test cyp is good on its own, you could possibly frontload the first week with 2x the amount so 1000mg on week 1


Posted by: Mags

Running Test Cyp. on it's tod sfor my first cycle seems to be the main advice from all you guys, so when i do think the time has come i'll give that a bash. Thanks. Was the suggestion of a larger first week dosage the answer to speeding up the blood concentration? Cheers.


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by ryuage
test cyp is good on its own, you could possibly frontload the first week with 2x the amount so 1000mg on week 1
Shoot a gram of test a week for a first timer? Even though your only doing it for a week i wouldn't advise this.


Posted by: Mags

i didn't really fancy that big a dosage for my first time, i'll be lucky to get my nuts up to taking 500mg for the week when I start.


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