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1st Cycle in years need help


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Posted by: rgrmike74

First let me say the i understand that i am about to be hammered by everyone on here simply because i am a cherry here but so what here goes "sticks and stones".
8 yrs ago while in military i did a cycle of test and gained about 20lbs in a very short time. I relized after reading some of the forums on here that what i did what not at all healthy. although i suffer no ong term side effects i do not want to chance it again. I currently hold in my hand a 10ml bottle of Testosterona 4l-a. I want to use it to its potential but not hurt my self. From what i did before ( take 1 to 2 shot daily) i dont think that would be wise this time around. I have read about the pct on here and am becoming completely confused about what all i am to do. this test i have now is supposed to last 8-10 weeks but from what i remember from 8 yrs ago it wouldnt last me 2 weeks. lol
I am 6'5" 225lbs and in decent shape. I simply want to recieve the most gains for the time i put in the home gym i built out back. I have been working out for the last 6 months using over the counter stuff like Fizogen products, and protein drinks and other pills, but believe i could do better with this.
My question is . how much should i inject and how often to maximize this bottle. I also want to incorporate some winni-v into this but not sure bout the stacking.
I have the formula for theis brand test (made by co. called OEFFLER) but as it is in spanish im not sure what the hell it is...lol
any help will be appreciated and any snide comments will be taken in stride.

thany you


Posted by: Cardinal

I am not familiar with Mexican gear. What is 4l-a? See if you can figure what ester is attached to the testosterone molecule. That will tell you its half-life and how frequently you will need to inject.

Also, how much testosterone is in your 10 milliliter bottle? It should give a concentration on it. It is possible/likely that you will want/need more than just one bottle of testosterone.

Winny is usually run as a cutting drug or at the end of a longer bulk cycle to lean out a bit. That won't be hard to decide how to stack once you get yourself enough testosterone to do the job.


Posted by: rgrmike74

this is what is on the bottle-
Testosterona 4L-A
Decanoata de test- 100mg
Fenilpropionato de test 60mg
Isocarpronato de test 60mg
Propionato de test 30mg
There is 10 ml in the bottle. i considered doing 1 ml a week split into to doses. which would last 10 weeks.
i thought someone on here would have used this gear b4 and would know the dosage for this particular kind.


Posted by: Cardinal

Ok, that is a blend of testosterone esters called Sustanon I believe. My spanish sucks.

The important thing is you have (100 + 60 + 60 + 30)*10 = 2500mg of testosterone. That isn't enough for a ten week cycle. You need roughly 500mg each week. The following is a good sample bulking cycle.

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol 25mg/ED
Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate 500mg/EW (Inj Mon/Thurs)
Weeks 13.5-17: Nolvadex (40mg week 1, 30 week 2, 20 weeks 3 and 4)

You could substitute your sustanon for the enanthate or cypionate, but still need to run 500mg each week. You can add winny fairly easily toward the end of this one also if you like. Check out HCG and see if that is something you would like to run during your cycle also to prevent testicular atrophy. Nolvadex is a must to have onhand during your cycle to prevent gyno and will serve as your post cycle therapy anti-estrogen as noted above.

I would take some time to research and learn everything you can about how to run the best possible cycle before you start. You may find some better ideas and will certainly be more prepared when the time comes.

-Cardinal


Posted by: rgrmike74

Thank you very much this is helpful... as stated b4 i did this awhile ago but was ignorant on what i was doing. one last question the dianabol 25mg is for the week correct? or is ED every day? i will postpone my cycle to read up a little more and find the gear needed to do this correctly...
thanks again..


Posted by: Cardinal

ED is each or every day. Dianabol is almost always dosed between 25-50mg/ED. People that haven't used it before often see good results at 25mg, hence my suggestion for the lower dosing schedule.

If you end up choosing to use it, try to get 5mg or 10mg pills. The half-life of Dbol is short...something like four hours or so, so you will need to split it up into multiple pills each day to ensure more even blood levels. Dbol is a bloater and bulker, lots of water retention and really awesome muscle pumps. Some people even choose to use it up to 6 weeks at a time but not usually more since it is taken orally and can elevate liver enzymes.


Posted by: rgrmike74

thanks for all your help
im learning every day..


Posted by: rgrmike74

i am checking on availability of the others now . although i never had the gyno probs b4 i see the importance of having them on hand.. never know how my body may react years later


Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Cardinal
Ok, that is a blend of testosterone esters called Sustanon I believe. My spanish sucks.

The important thing is you have (100 + 60 + 60 + 30)*10 = 2500mg of testosterone. That isn't enough for a ten week cycle. You need roughly 500mg each week. The following is a good sample bulking cycle.

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol 25mg/ED
Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate 500mg/EW (Inj Mon/Thurs)
Weeks 13.5-17: Nolvadex (40mg week 1, 30 week 2, 20 weeks 3 and 4)

You could substitute your sustanon for the enanthate or cypionate, but still need to run 500mg each week. You can add winny fairly easily toward the end of this one also if you like. Check out HCG and see if that is something you would like to run during your cycle also to prevent testicular atrophy. Nolvadex is a must to have onhand during your cycle to prevent gyno and will serve as your post cycle therapy anti-estrogen as noted above.

I would take some time to research and learn everything you can about how to run the best possible cycle before you start. You may find some better ideas and will certainly be more prepared when the time comes.

-Cardinal
don't forget about telling him to split the doses to 250 mg twice per week.
and that this is to keep blood levels more consistant especially with that sust blend.


Posted by: rgrmike74

thanks again! i am still waiting for the availability ( i cant spell) of the other gear and may just do the test only cycle if there would'nt be anything wrong with that!
If that is a nogo someone pls let me know


Posted by: Mudge

6'5" 225, test only should work fine.


Posted by: rgrmike74

thank you


Posted by: Tough Old Man

I'm familiar with it as i live in Mexico. It's 250mg per ml. So if you do i cc a week thats 250 mgs which would last 10 weeks. If it were me I'd pick up one more and do 2 cc a week for 8-10 weeks doing 1 cc on Mon's and 1 cc on Thurs. for a total of 500mg/ew.



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