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So if you took just PH cycle your considered unnatral forever?


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Posted by: huesoloco

interested


Posted by: Prince

no.


Posted by: redspy

Nope.


Posted by: FishOrCutBait

IMO, no, its if you currently ARE, then you b unnatural.


Posted by: gococksDJS

I hate the term unnatural. What if you use the synthetic form of ephedra to help burn fat, are you considered unnatural since you used a synthetic compound to aid in weightloss?


Posted by: Tha Don

IMO no


Posted by: Curlingcadys

hell in my own goofy ass opinion on this no body on here is probably natural, slamming MRPs isn't natural, supplementing proteins, creatines, daily vitamins and every goddamn other thing we take isn't natural. In simple stupid terms anything outside of the water that comes from your tap and a grocery store for your 5/6 meals a day is un-natural. Granted a lot of things we allready produce in our body and get from foods but we're just supplementing more of it however the abundance we sup. isn't natural. So there ya have it nobody is unless there is somebody that doesn't take sups. and just eats and lifts, then I guess I'll put my foot in my mouth!


Posted by: simbh

Well , personnaly I dont give a shit about these kinds of things. It's up to yourself and only yourself to decide what you take as supplements. This includes all kinds of supplements, from protein to true AAS . Personnaly , I will never put a needle into my body . I would only go as far as pills. Some people will and I respect there decision. It's their body , so let em do what they want . As for being natural or not , well you either consider supplements as natural or not. Whichever they are , creatine to AAS.


Posted by: Curlingcadys

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Originally Posted by simbh
Well , personnaly I dont give a shit about these kinds of things. It's up to yourself and only yourself to decide what you take as supplements. This includes all kinds of supplements, from protein to true AAS . Personnaly , I will never put a needle into my body . I would only go as far as pills. Some people will and I respect there decision. It's their body , so let em do what they want . As for being natural or not , well you either consider supplements as natural or not. Whichever they are , creatine to AAS.
agreed, very well put.


Posted by: Pirate!

It is all natural. If it wasn't in our nature to do somthing, we wouldn't be able to do it. If we did something beyond our nature, it would be supernatural. The term "unatural" is often misused. How could anyone possibly be unnatural while being part of nature? Lots of the foods we eat are genetically altered. They didn't even exist 30 years ago. Does that mean we are no longer part of nature?


Posted by: Curlingcadys

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
It is all natural. If it wasn't in our nature to do somthing, we wouldn't be able to do it. If we did something beyond our nature, it would be supernatural. The term "unatural" is often misused. How could anyone possibly be unnatural while being part of nature? Lots of the foods we eat are genetically altered. They didn't even exist 30 years ago. Does that mean we are no longer part of nature?
Anther good point!

Fine we'll determine unatural as someone getting plastic surgery and having fake muscles implanted. Sound good?


Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Curlingcadys
Anther good point!

Fine we'll determine unatural as someone getting plastic surgery and having fake muscles implanted. Sound good?
Actually, that would be termed, "pathetic".


Posted by: Curlingcadys

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Originally Posted by cfs3
Actually, that would be termed, "pathetic".
very true, I just happened to catch a program on it on TV today, I heard of the possibility I didn't think people actually did it though...it was pretty comical.


Posted by: FishOrCutBait

its the expensive, "quick fix" but, its kind of a lie... Like walking around goin, hey check out my (surgically enhanced) muscles... id never do that


Posted by: huesoloco

Well I meant if you took one 1-AD cycle in your life, would you be disqualified forever from all Natural Bodybuilding competitions.


Posted by: FishOrCutBait

i figured that's what you were asking, check the rules, Im pretty sure that its if it is detected in your urine


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by huesoloco
Well I meant if you took one 1-AD cycle in your life, would you be disqualified forever from all Natural Bodybuilding competitions.
"Natural" competitions require you to be off for the past 12 months. And im not going to say anything about FishOrCutBait's "lie" post, except for the fact that its a stupid statement.


Posted by: darek22

cfs3 your avatar rules


Posted by: thatguy

The INBF requires that you be natural for seven years. They test you AND they make you pass a lie detector test.


Posted by: brodus

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Originally Posted by thatguy
The INBF requires that you be natural for seven years. They test you AND they make you pass a lie detector test.
I was just going to post this.

AFAIK, the lie detector test is also for the last seven years...I'm pretty sure they don't ask you "have you ever in your life used a performancing enhancing substance."


Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
"Natural" competitions require you to be off for the past 12 months. And im not going to say anything about FishOrCutBait's "lie" post, except for the fact that its a stupid statement.
Exactly.. why the fuck would you enter a natural BB comp, when you have used?

If you play with your hormones, your NOT a natural bodybuilder.


Posted by: huesoloco

I take 1-AD once in my life, I don't ever plan to use anything else again. That's why.


Posted by: Luke9583

nope: you're screwed


Posted by: brodus

Bullshit.

I agree with the line of reasoning that it is cheating to falsify drug tests and enter natural competitions when you use.

But if you are ph/aas free for 7 years, your f-ing natural, period. If your genetics don't support 300 lbs. of lean mass at 7% BF, you're not going to hold those kind of steroid-based gains for 7-years drug-free.

Again, I DO THINK ITS CHEATING TO ENTER A "natural" EVENT AFTE RECENTLY USING AAS/PH.

But you can "relcaim" your natural status, which is why the 7-yr. rule is in place.

There are many good reasons for this. One being that many rational, logical people who have tried a cycle or five realize that it's a massive tax on the body...so when they decide to go clean for 7 years, then enter a contest, you're going to say "no way??!?!?!?!"



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