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Posted by: worddog

I read in a mens fitness awhile back about some supplement that helped people with distance running and muscle stamina. does any one know what that product is I cant remember what it was and I cant find that mag to save my life. but it had a plain little write up about how this guys friend decreased his mile times because this product helped provide more oxygen to the muscle or something like that.

Posted by: redspy

It may have been citrulline malate.

Posted by: Tha Don

creatine?

Posted by: Stu

Phosphates - enhance the release of oxgygen from haemoglobin

Caffiene and Sodium Bicarbonate are also used in endurance events

Posted by: Twin Peak

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Originally Posted by redspy

It may have been citrulline malate.

That would be my guess.

Posted by: topolo

mine as well

Posted by: Stu

http://www.nutriline.org/phosphates.htm

Phosphates

Also known as: Potassium phosphate, Sodium phosphate

What is it?

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Who should use it?

How does it work?

How should I use it?

What results can I expect?

What should I use it with?

Research

What is it?

Phosphate supplements have a number of benefits. Studies show an increased delivery of oxygen to working muscles, increasing stamina and endurance by up to 20%. Phosphates also reduce fatigue and the sensation of pain during exercise, allowing you to exercise for longer at a higher level before becoming fatigued.

Who should use it?

Phosphate supplements are suitable for anyone wanting to reduce the time it takes to complete endurance exercise, including long-distance runners, cyclists and triathletes. Footballers, rugby players and anyone who regularly participates in physical exercise lasting 30 minutes or longer will also benefit from greater resistance to fatigue and more energy.

How does it work?

Your muscles use phosphates to make ATP and CP, two high-energy chemicals which provide the energy necessary for muscles to work. Surplus phosphates also prevent unwanted increases in muscle acidity. Phosphates are also required for proper formation of a compound called 2,3-diphosphoglycerate (2,3-DPG). This is found in red blood cells and facilitates the release of oxygen from the blood to the tissues. Higher levels of 2,3-DPG enable a faster delivery of oxygen to muscles during exercise and enhance endurance performance.

Interest in phosphate supplements began when University of Florida researchers discovered that supplementation with sodium phosphate each day for three days lowered lactic acid levels and increased the endurance and aerobic capacity of 10 well-trained distance runners [3]. A similar investigation at Old Dominion University found that consuming four grams of sodium phosphate for three consecutive days strengthened cardiac activity, lifted lactate threshold by 10% and increased V02max by 9%. These improvements in aerobic capcity meant that, on average, the triathletes were able to knock 35 seconds off their best 5-mile performance time [2].

There are anecdotal reports of some cyclists knocking over 3 minutes off the time taken to complete a 40-kilometer time-trial. Australian researchers also report that following a loading phase using phosphates, cyclists were able to exercise 16% longer than subjects using nothing [1].

One of the major limiting factors in endurance exercise is the accumulation of lactic acid in the working muscles. Phosphates offer a system that buffers lactic acid effectively. This reduces the burning sensation associated with the accumulation of lactic acid. Phosphates may also increase VO2max by increasing 2,3 DPG levels in the blood. Phosphate loading is not illegal, and there are currently no known adverse effects.

How should I use it?

The precise amount of phosphates required to enhance performance has not been established. Some experts believe that as little as 150 milligrams daily will be effective when consumed for several weeks. For those seeking rapid (less than 5 days) improvements in performance, 3-4 grams daily is generally considered to be the correct dosage. During periods of intense training or competition, elite athletes will often use up to 7 grams daily.

What results should I expect?

Phosphates have been shown in research to increase oxygen uptake by 10% within 3-7 days in well-trained athletes. An increase of this type would normally take several months of intense training to achieve. Most users note a rapid reduction in feelings of fatigue and tiredness during a race or training session. They also have more energy throughout the day.

What should I use it with?

For enhancing endurance, phosphates work extremely well on their own. Because it increases the use of fat for fuel during exercise (which will also increase endurance) and reduces muscle soreness and damage, many athletes are reporting greater benefits when they combine phosphates with L-Carnitine. The addition of coenzyme Q10 may enhance and extend the benefits of phosphate supplementation still further.

Posted by: gococksDJS

Cannabis sativa?

Posted by: SJ69

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Cannabis sativa?

That used to be one of my favorite supps, the only problem is it induced spontaneous naps and eating binges.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by SJ69

That used to be one of my favorite supps, the only problem is it induced spontaneous naps and eating binges.

which is great when you are bulking !

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by SJ69

That used to be one of my favorite supps, the only problem is it induced spontaneous naps and eating binges.

Now ive done extensive research with this supplement in the past, and have come to one obvious conclusion. Experienced side effects greatly depend on how you administer it. examples,
- rolled inbetween some zigzag 5.0's causes violent coughing and weezing followed by hunger
- administration via Philly Blunt causes extreme elevation of gangsta levels and feeling of badassness followed by hunger
- Baked into Betty Crocker's finest induces an energy boost with extreme giggling followed by hunger
-Enjoyed through a nice 2ft. Graphix aquabong makes you think it is having no effect on you despite heavy dosing, then you pass out...while hungry
-Administration via soda can brings back fond memories of the "first time" with your buddies when you were 15, then you get hungry.

There are more ways, but im hungry....

Posted by: worddog

well thanx for all the replies I still really havnt figured out what it was that I read but all these replies help.

Stu what stuff contains Phosphates

Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

-Administration via soda can brings back fond memories of the "first time" with your buddies when you were 15, then you get hungry.

i never tried it like that

one of my mates from back home didnt like smoking so she just used to munch a whole eigth of slate straight out the baggie

Posted by: Stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by worddog

well thanx for all the replies I still really havnt figured out what it was that I read but all these replies help.

Stu what stuff contains Phosphates

Potassium phosphate, Sodium phosphate

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