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Originally Posted by PreMier
When did you start working out/how long? Was it right when you started to take said supplement?
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Originally Posted by njc
How much different is 5 pounds of muscle gained via placebo effect as apposed to 5 via actuall working supplement. None. does not this innefective supplement in essence become a working one?
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Originally Posted by Flex
if you gain 5lbs of muscle while taking a real supplement, it IS different than if you gain 5lbs of muscle b/c of a placebo. In other words, say i take what i believe is dbol. NOw if it IS dbol, i gain 5lbs. If its NOT dbol, just aspirin, and i gain 5lbs, it has NOTHING to do with a placebo effect and me thinking i'm taking dbol. |
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Originally Posted by PreMier
Exactly Flex. I want to know if he is a 'newbie', because of how easy it is for them to gain LBM. Also if he was using the supp, since the begining, then his thinking that its working is flawed..
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Originally Posted by njc
no man. The structure of the muscle is gained is no different. All im saying is who gives a shit if its the supplement working or the mind working. 5 pounds of muscle is 5 pounds of muscle. I see what youre saying though, but i think that the mind is powerful enough to do such things. No doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by njc
im not talking of any supplement. Just speaking generally of the placebo effect.
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Originally Posted by Flex
well, why don't you pretent those Flintstone vitamins you're taking are not Flintstone vitamins, but in fact Fred is actually anadrol, Barnie is dbol and Wilma is Winny.
see how much your placebo effect works. |
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Originally Posted by njc
u gotta be kiddin me. Well becuase obviously I would know beforehand that they werent. Placebo effect involves a little something called actually believing in what your taking. Was that a serious post?
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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
Only if it is a blind placebo study. You can still experience placebo effect from knowingly taking a placebo.
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Originally Posted by Flex
well, why don't you pretent those Flintstone vitamins you're taking are not Flintstone vitamins, but in fact Fred is actually anadrol, Barnie is dbol and Wilma is Winny.
see how much your placebo effect works. |
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Originally Posted by njc
Theyve done studies taking 2 groups, had them perform before and after tests of strength, gave one group nothing, one group a pill and told them the pill was worthless, and the group taking the pill they were told was worthless gained more strength then the group not taking anything?
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Originally Posted by Flex
well, why don't you pretent those Flintstone vitamins you're taking are not Flintstone vitamins, but in fact Fred is actually anadrol, Barnie is dbol and Wilma is Winny.
see how much your placebo effect works. |
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Originally Posted by njc
Theyve done studies taking 2 groups, had them perform before and after tests of strength, gave one group nothing, one group a pill and told them the pill was worthless, and the group taking the pill they were told was worthless gained more strength then the group not taking anything?
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If i take 50mg of dbol for 10 days, i'll put on 5lbs, due to the dbol. If i take 50mg of what i think is dbol, but is actually not, and for some ungodly reason i put on 5lb, it has NOTHING to do with the fact that my mind thought it was dbol. |
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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
Dude if you don't give a fuck about placebo effect then PM me. I have a revolutionary supplement here that will put on 10 lbs. of LBM in only 2 months and only costs $300 a month. I was going to name it Fizogen, but that name's already taken...
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Originally Posted by young d
man wtf are you talkin bout?
you understand that? you can't just imagine that a vitamin pill is gonna pack 5lbs on you in one week and then acutally pack on 5lbs due to your mind concieving it! if you put on 5lbs it wouldn't be the fact that you thought you were taking the product it would be down to other changes such as diet... training... etc but think what you wanna think man, maybe you should send goldcocks a PM and order some of his supplement, might work for you |
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Originally Posted by njc
wtf am i talking about? Look at my post u qouted, i was asking a question of the person who posted before me. Dont qoute my post and respond to it when you dont even know whats going on. I know it wouldnt work with a vitamin becuase i know that a vitamin doesnt pack on 5 lbs of muscle. Your examples are laughable at best.
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Originally Posted by Curlingcadys
hold on one sec.....I'm thinking of reaching through my computer and slapping ya......hold on its comming.......
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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
I think starting a placebo effect thread has the mental placebo effect of elevated IQ.
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Originally Posted by njc
Id love to sit down with you and take an IQ test. I know what mine is. You act like no ones ever talked about the placebo effect before. But please continue to be an asshole, it provides amusement to an otherwise dull night.
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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
I was joking bro, simmer down. A little sarcasm now and then doesn't hurt. You obviously feel compelled to prove yourself on this board, but do you think anyone on here buys the shit that others spit out? There will be people on here you will take seriously, but alot of people are full of shit, and posts about your incredibly high IQ will quickly be ignored, so spare us the bragging bullshit and actually contribute to the board.
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Originally Posted by njc
Point to the part of my post where i said to have an incredibly high IQ. contribute to the board? Like youve done in your past couple posts? Iwas making an attempt to contribute by talking of something i felt to be legit. It was you that stumbled on here talking nothing.
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Originally Posted by thatguy
Wow. I haven't been on this board long (almost two months), but I've been here long enough to take offense to someone trying to negate GC's contribution to the board...
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Originally Posted by njc
I was negating the last couple of posts and only becuase of his unfounded statement concerning my lack of adding anything to the board. You dont understand the situation either. Get a clue.
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Originally Posted by thatguy
Hmmm. I think that I have enough common sense to read a thread and figure out the situation. I have a clue, and you're really starting to piss me off.
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Originally Posted by njc
are you gonna kick my cyber butt?
why would you let a string of words going across your monitor piss you off? |
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Originally Posted by njc
What are you cg's agent?Aight. Screw it. nothins a big deal to me man. Its just the internet. I just have a natural love to argue. Especially when its in the form of words on my monitor and no feelings should be hurt. CG, Im sorry dude.
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Originally Posted by Flex
well, why don't you pretent those Flintstone vitamins you're taking are not Flintstone vitamins, but in fact Fred is actually anadrol, Barnie is dbol and Wilma is Winny.
see how much your placebo effect works. |