Originally Posted by John H.

Dou you like ORAL SEX?

The next time you enjoy it you might want to thank Dr. Alfred Kinsey (The Sex Researcher). See the documentary film in the AMERICAN EXPERIENCE series entitled KINSEY (this is not the same as the motion picture titled KINSEY).

The documentary is about 1 1/2 hours long and well worth your time to see. It has been shown on Public Broadcasting. You will gain a much better knowledge and understanding of the very important work Dr. Alfred Kinsey did for the benefit of all of us.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

This guy is fucked up as shit and so are you John H. Your not open-minded, your sick.

Originally Posted by John H.

The next time you enjoy it you might want to thank Dr. Alfred Kinsey

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and to say oral sex is being enjoyed now because of one corrupted dude in the 40's and 50's is assinine

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I was waiting for Vieope to come in here and say, "No, oral sex is gross. I only do it bunny style."

Originally Posted by BritChick

No, don't think so... but I will thank my husband.

Originally Posted by derekisdman

Why is it not ok for John H. to make multiple posts about stuff but it's ok for everyone to make multiple posts about it not being ok for John to make multiple posts? You all are a bunch of bullies.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

John you nut. you posted the same "everyone should watch this documentary on kinsey" as 2 different threads. do you really think this documentary requires 2 separate threads?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and to say oral sex is being enjoyed now because of one corrupted dude in the 40's and 50's is assinine

Originally Posted by Twigz

another view....

http://www.cwfa.org/kinsey.asp

Originally Posted by Twigz

and another .....

http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/kinsey.html

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Hey John, trying posting this in the supplement forum and the training forum too. For that matter, how about figuring out a way to add this to the photo gallery as well.

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Hey look, another Kinsey post.

And another.

You getting a commission or something, John?

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

You being someone who is very closed-minded and very "religious" I would expect that response from.

It was "religion" that made people think that Oral Sex was somehow wrong. It was Dr. Alfred Kinsey and his Associates and their work that helped people to UNDERSTAND accurately about ALL aspects of Sex and Sexuality FOR THEIR BENEFIT.

See this site for more information: www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/

John H.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

John honestly how many posts does this crap deserve? is there any way a moderator could consolidate all of these into one post so it doesnt clog everything else up?

Originally Posted by derekisdman

Why is it not ok for John H. to make multiple posts about stuff but it's ok for everyone to make multiple posts about it not being ok for John to make multiple posts? You all are a bunch of bullies.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so you think its ok to start 3 new threads and post in 2 others about the exact same thing? if he wants to talk about this thats fine with me. but when he clogs up 4 more threads than needed to do it, its kind of a pain and im going to register my discontent. its not that we are bullying him, its just none of us agree with him

Originally Posted by Warren[BigW]

John H has a super small weiner.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

I enjoy giving more than receiving. Tis the season

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

John H, you and this guy are pieces of shit who have sick, twisted views on sex and think that you are being open minded. Religion does not teach that oral sex is wrong, and it's that piece of shit Kinsey who thinks rape is not that bad. I take great comfort in knowing that you and this fucked up guy will be talking about your twisted sex views while burning in hell for eternity.

Originally Posted by John H.

Gococks,

You are a "christian", right? Just wondering. Sounds like it.

John H.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

I enjoy giving more than receiving. Tis the season

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

So you are then saying you do NOT like Oral Sex?

So are you then saying NO ONE ELSE should either? Are you somehow "afraid" of it? Asking honestly...

Just wondering.

John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

Crap?

You are strange and do not know it yourself. I would bet the farm that if you wanted to speak about "religion" you would and would want no one to stop you from saying anything about that.

So what makes you think you have any "authority" or "power" to stop someone else - who is a mature adult - from discussing with others what they want to discuss? Who died and left you "boss"? Are you now "god"? Are you now the "person" everyone else has to "get permission from first before posting anything"? And get YOUR "approval" - NO ONE forces you to read anything. Are you now our "censor"?

John H.

Originally Posted by Lucifer

The best part is when i get off it blows a hole in the back of Kinsey's head.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

John H, you are a sick piece of shit right? Sounds like it, because this guy you so idolize is a fucking child molester who sees nothing wrong with touching children. This guy is basically Michael Jackson with a PhD, and you John H, have finally found someone who shares your sick views so you can try to convince yourself that your normal. If you think this guy is courageous than thats the same thing as saying Michael Jackson is a hero and you know it. Look at this chart and the age of the children he performed tests on. THAT IS NOT NORMAL John H, that is sick.



Kinsey, Sex and Lies 8/5/2004
By Staff
Kinsey was a silent partner in the molestation of hundreds of children.



Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, a zoologist, revolutionized America's attitudes about sex through his books Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). His work is the animating principle behind most sex education in America. However, analysis of his research by Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D., has yielded some alarming discoveries, including how Dr. Kinsey acquired sexual data about children. It's time to take an inventory of Kinsey's work and consider what it has brought to our society.

COMING TO CONCLUSIONS
Kinsey propagated the idea that all children are "sexual beings" from birth. The most frightening aspect of his philosophy is how he arrived at this view; Kinsey was a silent partner in the molestation of hundreds of children. The graph table below documents some of the abuse that Kinsey recorded.



In chapter five of his Male book, Tables 30-34 describe pre-adolescent children's orgasms, beginning at the age of two months.

And how did the pedophile know when the child or infant reached orgasm? The children reacted by "violent convulsions of the whole body; heavy breathing, groaning, sobbing, or more violent cries, sometimes with an abundance of tears (especially among the younger children)" (p. 161, Male volume).

Paul Gebhard, Kinsey's co-author, frankly admitted that Kinsey researchers interviewed pedophiles, and declined to report them to police. "'An example of criminality is our refusal to cooperate with authorities in apprehending a pedophile we had interviewed who was being sought for a sex murder,' Gebhard told an interviewer."

Originally Posted by Twigz

Obviosuly you believe that sexual contact, and intercourse with a minor is OK. Well John boy I have personally seen, and delt with the side effects of actions like this. I will have to pull out a report that was done by a well respected Police Chief in Wisconsin. I will have to obtain permission to post his name. But in the report it explains how children that are molested by sick bastards that Kinsey supported cause all types of emotional problems. Which leads to a big increase in negative criminal contact with law enforcement. I post some of the findings if anyone is iterested, when I dig it out of my files.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

john the idea is you would be mature enough to censor yourself. seeing as thats not realistic, i was simply stating i felt one thread is enough and you had gone overboard to the point you where now pushing an agenda. i have no problem talking religion with open-minded individuals, and if i ever decide to do that on this forum ill open one thread in the open chat area and have a discussion. i wont however reword the question and find a way to post it in multiple threads. keep posting though john, the more people who read your posts understand what kind of close-minded, agenda pushing, and unethical person you are.

Originally Posted by Lucifer

The best part is when I get off it blows a hole in the back of Kinsey's head.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

I don't know whether to laugh or run away crying.....

Originally Posted by Archangel

How is being disgusted at the sexual misconduct with a child being closed minded?

Originally Posted by Archangel

I understand what your saying, I however think ANY kind of sexual misconduct with a child is disgusting!!! AND anyone who is interested in that subject in my opinion is just as bad. Not talking about people who help the abused, strictly people who think that sex with a child is okay. Do you have a child?

Originally Posted by John H.

Do I have children, yes I do and I love them IMMENSELY. I NEVER would nor have I EVER condoned the abuse of children in any manner or anyone for that matter.

John H.

Originally Posted by Archangel

Then how can you support someone who was intrigued by that, and would not turn them in? What if it was with your child? Would you still support it? I think not. That is my point, and thats all.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Tony,

I would hope you would not laugh.

Are you saying it is "ok" for someone to kill someone else because of their honest accurate sincere research into a very basic subject of life and living?

Are you saying it is "ok" for someone to kill someone because of their religious beliefs?

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Thousands and thousands of people attended Dr. Kinsey's seminars. He was very welcome by very many people because they could see and understand the work he was trying to do and the why behind it and saw the good he was doing for the benefit of ALL people.

John H.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

First off, lighten up....
I hate having to explain myself my goodness, mostly when I am joking around:

Ok, I'll explain as if you were a 5 year old:
If I saw Lucifer, I may run away crying like a little girl. That was meant as a joke. If I saw any human blowing Lucifer, I'd probably run away laughing, another joke, you know? JA JA?. What I suggested as run away laughing was if I in fact saw that Lucifer, you know, the DEVIL? would actually shoot a load and be capable of blowing someone's head clean off, another Joke, you know? JA JA? LOL? ? Do you understand now? Or do I have to go into toddler talk? Man.....

When did I say, and please quote me SINCERELY and ACCURATELY that I condoned somone dying for their "alleged" research? For religious beliefs?
I HATE PEOPLE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, NO I AM NOT EMPHASIZING, I AM PISSED OFF BECAUSE I HAVE HAD TO COME EXPLAIN A FREAKING COMMENT MEANT AS A JOKE.
You know what the best part about this is? That you have now completely made yourself look foolish by overanalyzing a joke John. You know what the funny thing here is? That you are staggering backwards John, nobody punched you. People are poking holes here at Kinsey's research and you are defending him with your shield and sword. Kinsey was an evil man. You don't RESEARCH ON LITTLE CHILDREN, no matter how you feel about the good of humanity. If you have ever studied psychology, you would know that children look toward adults for protection, not for abuse. The fact is that children who were ABUSED in this bullshit research, looked at the adults abusing them as their protectors and when these adults abused them they may have changed this children forever.....
I am gong to take some time researching a little on what happened to those children who Kinsey made his research on, as much as it sickens me and may even make me cry because I do love my children and I assure you, if I found out that a Doctor was doing sexual research on my children, I assure you, he or she would not ever again see the light of day, and goodness knows I am not a violent person by any stretch of the imagination.
From what I have seen John, you would gladly lend your children to Kensey and that, buddy, puts you right there with him as a deviant, not because of your lifestyle, but because of your support of toddler sex.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Tony,

SLOW DOWN DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't reply to everyone at the same time - you Guys are bombarding me!! Give me a chance to reply.

Right now, I am out of time - NOT an excuse but a REALITY. I can not respond to this right now. I DO have other things I have to do too. But I WILL answer you.

AND, I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

It takes time to reply and get your (meaning anyone here) thoughts together. Right now I've got animals to take care of and kids screaming at me to do other things and my wife is burning something in the oven...

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

John, no need to reply. I am done with this subject as this is just hurting me more than anything else....

Originally Posted by Lucifer

Right now Kinsey is in a smoldering pit in my back yard being repeatedly skull fucked by my hounds. I can tell he is enjoying it too, all the crying, screaming and hitting means he's orgasmic. All his loyal followers will get to experience this joy themselves eventually.

Originally Posted by Lucifer

Right now Kinsey is in a smoldering pit in my back yard being repeatedly skull fucked by my hounds. I can tell he is enjoying it too, all the crying, screaming and hitting means he's orgasmic. All his loyal followers will get to experience this joy themselves eventually.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

This are excerpts from www.cwfa.org
This information to me is apalling and hard to read, but I said I would do this and with a knot in my stomach, I am doing so:


"Kinsey and the kids
According to early reviews, the film barely mentions Kinsey's recording of child sexuality data, with one young staff member expressing distaste.



Kinsey's 1948 book and the companion Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953) claim that sexual activity in even very young children is natural, healthy and to be encouraged. In his research, Kinsey recorded children having orgasms during manipulation by adult "partners" and insisted that the children's "definite pleasure from the situation" was evidenced in their "screams," "convulsions," "hysterical weeping," "fighting," and "striking the partner (adult)" (Male volume p. 161).



In the Female book's chapter on "Pre-Adolescent Sexual Development," Kinsey wrote:

"It is difficult to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should be disturbed at having its genitalia touched, or disturbed at seeing the genitalia of other persons, or disturbed at even more specific sexual contacts." (P. 121.) "

This is not made up bullshit, this are excerpts from his books.

Originally Posted by Twigz

John you are the one with the closed mind, people have brought up many goo points about this "thing" being wrong, and all you do is tell us all that it was in the name of science. Like I said before would you allow him to beat children to death for scientific research. Screaming, convulsing, hitting = orgasm? I think not this mean "LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE" Ill remember that next time some one is screaming and convulsing, i'll just stand by and watch them, then when I get sued fr not helping that person in the time of need, I will just tell them that they don't understand, it was actually an orgasm, and that Dr. Kinsey said so. Sound like a plan you idiot?

You and your sick type can stay the hell away from my children, or their will be hell to pay.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Tony,

Do not just read something that does NOT INCLUDE ALL THAT IS SAID.

See for yourself in SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE (1948, republished 1998) for example. See pages 440-447 (Transmission of Sexual Mores) (it is very detailed and informative and helpful to understand). See both books IN THEIR ENTIRETY YOURSELF.

As you will notice, these are supposed to be "excerpts". SEE the WHOLE BOOK FOR YOURSELF and READ IT THOROUGHLY AND COMPLETELY. Also see the website: www.indiana/edu/~kinsey/

This website explains all kinds of questions with regard to the research done by Dr. Kinsey and Associates and THE KINSEY INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN SEX, GENDER, AND REPRODUCTION at Indiana University (Bloomington, Indiana).

See the documentary in THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE series about KINSEY (available at www.pbs.org and at public libraries).

LOOK at and READ ALL THE INFORMATION about this. DO NOT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE what you want. SEE IT ALL. KNOW IT ALL. FOR YOURSELF. DO your OWN RESEARCH with what WAS DONE AND THE WHY behind it all. YOURSELF. COMPLETELY SO. Never just allow anyone to "spoon-feed" you on this subject selectively. Look at ALL aspects of this subject. You will then begin to understand the whole of the research. As an adult. And as a mature person.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

. Also see the website: www.indiana/edu/~kinsey/

This website explains all kinds of questions with regard to the research done by Dr. Kinsey and Associates and THE KINSEY INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN SEX, GENDER, AND REPRODUCTION at Indiana University (Bloomington, Indiana).

Originally Posted by fantasma62

John, the Good Doctor may have been a great researcher. He may have found great information about adult subjects, and that's fine and good, but how do you want me to overlook something as monstrous and gross as those excerpts from HIS books.
Just to clear things up some, KBM is going to try to shoot by a library to see if he finds the books in question and see if there are such pages in these books. John, if those pages were there and the research was conducted on children, then this is an OPEN AND CLOSED CASE. You DO NOT research on children. However, if this femenazi web site that I found the excerpts on is not in fact right, I will eat my crow with a little bit of salt and pepper.
I spent a good part of two hours researching this on saturday, as I said then and all research was becoming more and more perturbing to read and I really didn't feel like going anywhere else with it.
Once again John, I will go by what KBM finds and may eventually do some of my own research to see how this man was allowed, if he did, to test children.
Then will I broach this subject again, for now, it is closed for me until further notice....

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Tony,

NO ONE CONDONES - CERTAINLY NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!! - abuse of children IN ANY MANNER BY ANYONE. That is true also of Dr. Kinsey and His Associates and the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction at Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana.

Keep an open mind about ALL that you read and look at ALL sides of ALL of this before you make any "judgments".

Think about this:

These books, SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE (W. B. Saunders Co., 1948) and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE (same publisher, 1953 - both reprinted 1998 by Indiana University Press) were best sellers and very well received generally. Sure they had those who criticized them and still do. But IF a person is going to do that credibly they MUST first READ THE ENTIRE BOOKS and SEE the research and the reasons behind that. And the methods. They NEED to see the ENTIRE PICTURE and the WHY and HOW. WITHOUT hatred, bigotry, bias, projudice, etc. The findings in both these books have basically stood the test of a lot of time and a lot of scrutiny. Because they are factual and a lot of hard work and sincere and honest and caring work went into the research.

Do yourself a favor - READ BOTH VOLUMES in their entirety. CAREFULLY. And as an adult who is mature. Also, check out any criticism there may be of these books from ALL sides of the picture. AFTER you do this they see what you "come up with" with regard to this research and why it was done and is being done. ALL of us BENEFIT from this research including the children. As with a Medical Doctor, you can not KNOW how to help and/or "fix things" unless YOU TRULY UNDERSTAND what it is FROM ALL ASPECTS. That is what science and scientific research is all about - finding answers and helping everyone.

And let's see what KBM has to say - this is a BIG SUBJECT and there is a LOT of information about this - pro and con.

Also, ask yourself, if all this stuff about "abuse" were actually true how is it that the Institute still exists, that the books are still referred to often and with respect and with sincere people who want sincere answers, knowledgeable people...

The research done on these books was done in a time in the history of this country when people were more likely to speak truthfully. The research was done in a time when we had very intelligent and gifted people, people who DID their work to the very best of their abilities as thoroughly as possible because people had more of a sense of contributing and having those contributions be meaningful and helpful.

Also, Dr. Kinsey and his Associates never made one penny off the sale of these books. They were on the payroll of the Institute of Sex Research and Indiana University and received nothing monetarily. They were paid as any other Professor at any other University at the time just as someone who works daily.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

Oral sex on a bf is a great tool to get what you want I have learned that while taking care of your man, any question you ask will be followed by "uh huh" or "yes baby".

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

Oral sex on a bf is a great tool to get what you want I have learned that while taking care of your man, any question you ask will be followed by "uh huh" or "yes baby".

Originally Posted by Twigz

EVIL WOMEN, thats just EVIL!!!!











Thank you, may I have another

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

Oral sex on a bf is a great tool to get what you want I have learned that while taking care of your man, any question you ask will be followed by "uh huh" or "yes baby".

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Shutupntra1n,

I have found that there are MANY WAYS to "...taking care of..." NOT just "the verbal". Actions can very often speak louder than any words. Responses are very helpful as well. And can allow someone to negotiate "the curves in the road" to success for both. It is NEVER - JUST - about ONE person. EVERYONE NEEDS to feel and to HAVE the success they are after in this "endeavor". A REAL SMILE MUST BE ON THE "FACES" OF ALL INVOLVED and in their heart and soul, mind and spirit.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Shutupntra1n,

I have found that there are MANY WAYS to "...taking care of..." NOT just "the verbal". Actions can very often speak louder than any words. Responses are very helpful as well. And can allow someone to negotiate "the curves in the road" to success for both. It is NEVER - JUST - about ONE person. EVERYONE NEEDS to feel and to HAVE the success they are after in this "endeavor". A REAL SMILE MUST BE ON THE "FACES" OF ALL INVOLVED and in their heart and soul, mind and spirit.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

*hint hint... Rub my back and the answer shall always be yes. I do not want the credit card, or car keys or a new living room set for that matter... Just my back rubbed after my work outs and you can have anything you want

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

Hi John,

That was too complicated for the point I was trying to make. All I meant was the better you the blow job the more you get what you want

Originally Posted by bio-chem

what kind of wierd ass bable is this?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

what kind of wierd ass bable is this?

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Shutupntra1n,

A portion of it all that is very good is having it LAST as long as is SUPERHUMANLY as possible. For ALL involved. It is something that should never be "just rushed through". It must be focused and savored and enjoyed and understood to the point of ALL involved being driven completely nuts!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

Have you EVER had a DAMN GOOD blowjob? Have you ever just had damn good "head" and nothing more beyond that? "Weird ass bable"? NOT with me! EVER!!

Having an "open mind" allows you (meaning anyone here) to "SEE" ALL sides of this aspect of giving a damn about others TRUTHFULLY.

John H.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

That's nice and all and sometimes the romance is great and the foreplay and the hours of passionate love making... sure I agree. But the point here was the spontaneous, porn like, fast hot oral one gives with no expectations of endless love making. It's called doing nice favors for your significant other. I don't believe all bjs are the beginning of hours of love making. Maybe the beginning of a quickie but even then sometimes they are just a plain old quick bj. (ie; when woman cannot provide during certain times of the month)

Originally Posted by bio-chem

are you really this niave or do you just pretend to be?

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

Have you EVER had a DAMN GOOD blowjob? Have you ever just had damn good "head" and nothing more beyond that? "Weird ass bable"? NOT with me! EVER!!

Having an "open mind" allows you (meaning anyone here) to "SEE" ALL sides of this aspect of giving a damn about others TRUTHFULLY.

John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Shutupntra1n,

Oh, I KNOW. I was speaking FROM ALL ASPECTS of ANY blowjob by anyone to anyone. I am a BiSexual Male - a MAN in the truest sense of the word who sees and does his very best to see things from all sides of it... Some of the finest can be the quickest but the MOST THOROUGH. Women can often times be UNreceptive and LACK ANY understanding - because they so CHOOSE even without outward purpose. That means they are not "in touch" really and are in "their own world" many times. Maybe even do not care really. I SEARCH for PURPOSE AND MEANING in EVERYTHING that BENEFITS EVERYONE WITHOUT QUESTION. And without it being "outwardly so". Kinda "suttle" (actually spelled "subtle") but WITH EXTREME PURPOSE AND MEANING even if "short and sweet".

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

*hint hint... Rub my back and the answer shall always be yes. I do not want the credit card, or car keys or a new living room set for that matter... Just my back rubbed after my work outs and you can have anything you want

Originally Posted by John H.

Bio,

If you did I would think you WOULD CERTAINLY REMEMBER IT and WANT A HELL OF A LOT MORE.

John H.

Originally Posted by Twigz

Their is the possibility of three things that would happen here:

1. Your back muscles become musch
2. I collapse due to lack of blood flowing anywhere but "there"
3. My fingers become nubs

Originally Posted by fantasma62

John........ah?

Is it possible to overanalize a blow job? I guess it is.....

Originally Posted by bio-chem

a romantic spot to cum? ha ha ha

Originally Posted by bio-chem

ask john.

Originally Posted by fantasma62

John, in all honesty, I won't, and no offense, but I will go with KBM's findings. I haven't the time nor the desire to do this type of research. I like reading books that entertain me, fiction. I graduated from college and got my bachelors in Computers and systems. I hated science as it bored me and it still bores me. I'll take history any time over science.
Still, my kids barely let me read nowadays. Actually, is not so much them, as it is me. I like to play with my kids equally when I get home in the afternoon so that they don't feel that I have favorites, I also have to workout and spend sometime with my wife talking about the day before I go to bed....In reality whatever time I have, I use it to research exercises and routines that will help me during my lifting and cutting.....
We'll see what KBM finds.....

Originally Posted by YourallIwant

damn... I love giving blow jobs.. more than recieving- but hell, I aint gonna turn down the opportunity... but I knew there was a reason God gave me a big mouth.. mmmm...