Originally Posted by bio-chem

the stuff you took converts to testosterone and nor-testosterone so even if your totally shut down and your testes are non existant your going to still have sex drive because you have an outside source of test. remember thats why people take 4-ad stacked with m1t to fight the loss in libido, and lethargy? havent we been over this before? at 17 you shouldnt be messing with pro-hormones. proof in point is the fact you dont understand the different side effects of what you put in your body. but i can see im kicking a dead horse. tell me how your progress was im currious to see the effects of over 1,000 mg of different pro-hormones every day for 3-weeks on a 17 year old body. if i were you i would use both bottles of your 6-oxo. start with about 600mg per day for a week and take in divided doses, take your pct for 4 weeks stepping your dose down each week in weeks 2-4. were all of these oral? or did you have transdermal for any? 3 different orals doesnt seem smart either, you may want to take something for your liver. milk thistle or something.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

your playing with fire right now, if your lucky you wont get burned too bad.

Originally Posted by RCfootball87

I understand I shouldn't be using pro-hormones at my age but guys should think back to when they were my age and if they were that available. It's not about bodybuilding as much, there's sports scholarships on the line and shit, it's tempting to use, especially if you've got the stuff sitting right there.

Originally Posted by LAM

steroids were easy as hell to get when I was in high school, we didn't use them. you are either a gifted athlete, you are average or you suck at sports. having more muscle and/or strength isn't going to put you in a different category.

REAL athletes are born not made

Originally Posted by silencer

At peak level every little bit counts, and if More mass in Football will be an advantage without effecting speed or endurance then I can understand why.(I've never played American football so I don't know what is mainly required, but I'm obiviously guessing speed and mass).

Originally Posted by musclepump

If you're a wrestler, steroids may help.

I agree with LAM in his sense that athletes are good without roids and all that, but I don't think athlete's are "Born" I think there's plenty of opportunity to improve and become world class without being gifted the talent.

Originally Posted by Curlingcadys

Good example is Roy Jones Jr, the boxer or ex boxer for those who don't know, now he was "gifted" to where he had to only be shown techniques a few times and he had it down but back in the day when he started he really wasn't any better than anyone else but he had hunger, drive, and determination and put Pennsecola,FL on the map, and thus turned into a profesional that accomplished more than any boxer in history.

**Just re-emphasizing the point that great athletes don't have to be born with it.

Originally Posted by LAM

All of the training in the world can't make a slow person fast.

Originally Posted by LAM

Roy Jones Jr had natural abilities that only needed to be honed. Track & Field is a perfect example. You will not find one Olympian in Track and Field who did not excell in the sport in high school. You will NEVER see a guy that runs a 14 sec 100m in high school in the Olympics. All of the training in the world can't make a slow person fast.

Originally Posted by musclepump

The skills necessary for track are often correlated with swimming, and there have been plenty of Olympic swimmers who were aweful as junior high and high school athletes.