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Posted by: Shae

Have you ever run into people who just do too much in public in terms of being too affectionate, in touch with their sexuality, or just being plain gross?


I got plenty of storys of witnessing plenty of weard shit! I just need to gather them up to tell ya.



Posted by: greekblondechic

I like a peck here and there and holding hands



Posted by: Flex

Are you saying i shouldn't get head in public anymore?

If anyone says anything to me, i just say "I'm Peter North, Biiiiiiiitch"



Posted by: BritChick

Ha, reminds me of the time when I was back home and saw a bit of a commotion along the sea wall and a small group of people watching something over the wall... a couple of the local nut jobs were going at it completely in the buff on the beach... it wasn't pretty by any means!



Posted by: Shae

Well, I do remember going to the park with my dad and uncle when I was 10. We were going to play raquetball at the park. I was told to find an open room to play and I found this blonde lady going down on this old man. Me being the naieve girl at the age of 10 ask, "Daddy, what are they doing?" My dad just covered my eyes and dragged me out of the room. Still I hear the noises and dad still would not tell me.



Posted by: Flex

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae
Well, I do remember going to the park with my dad and uncle when I was 10. We were going to play raquetball at the park. I was told to find an open room to play and I found this blonde lady going down on this man. Me being the naieve girl at the age of 10 ask, "Daddy, what are they doing?" My dad just covered my eyes and dragged me out of the room. Still I hear the noises and dad still would not tell me.
Ehhhh, sorry bout that

I TOLD that bitch to STFU!



Posted by: Eggs

I mean, I enjoy some good making out in public and what not. I dont sit there and make out, but if I want some tongue, hey, thats my business.

If anybody has a problem fuck them, I'm not here to please them anyways.



Posted by: greekblondechic

This thread made me crave some public affection.



Posted by: Chain Link

Made me crave some pubic affection too.



Posted by: Eggs

Uh, yeah, you take care of that CL



Posted by: greekblondechic

I hope you're not making barfy faces at me.



Posted by: Eggs

If I was I would have said GBC and not CL



Posted by: greekblondechic

Yeah but his post was in response to mine...



Posted by: Eggs

Yeh, but I wasnt talking about you...

I didnt really think he'd be stopping over for some making out with you, so I figured that he'd be taking care of his problems through some other means. Anyways, this is getting way too much into a flippant remark, and into areas I'm not too comfortable with.

Regardless, it wasnt a statement about you GBC.



Posted by: greekblondechic

Ok.



Posted by: Eggs

You get offended pretty easily you know



Posted by: Chain Link

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
I didnt really think he'd be stopping over for some making out with you
Shows how much you know

Wait.. You're right



Posted by: Chain Link

o, and GBC, I think what Eggs was barfy facing at was..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain Link
Made me crave some pubic affection too.




Posted by: Eggs

Yeh, I think she thought that I was making the face because she thought that I thought that you were saying that you wanted pubic affection from her.

Or somebody thought that... or something.



Posted by: maniclion

If having a girl in a skirt sit on my lap with her panties pulled to the side in the back of a night club is wrong I don't want to be right.
That goes with balconies and between cars in big parking lots, and piers and rooftops and in front of a roomful of people during a party and in the bathtub at parties while people are pissing in the toilet and watching and in ......



Posted by: Shae

Is there anyone that has seen anyone that displayed public gross out? I have a story for all of you but I don't think you will like it.



Posted by: ponyboy

I was at a banquet once where a guy at the head table was having sex with his g/f (she was sitting on his lap) during the speeches. Probably about 300 people in the room and nobody knew.

Of course he told all of us the next day.



Posted by: MrsSquat

Quote:
Originally Posted by ponyboy
I was at a banquet once where a guy at the head table was having sex with his g/f (she was sitting on his lap) during the speeches. Probably about 300 people in the room and nobody knew.

Of course he told all of us the next day.
That reminds me a few years back I had a lay over at the airport and it was packed so no one really noticed a couple in the back corner....just riding away.



Posted by: QuestionGuy

I remember once when i was like 11 or 12 i was out swimming down at the mediteranian with my sister,mom and aunt....there were a lot of people all around and it was a nice beach, and you could see these two fatasses just going at it like crazy in the water, you could just see the water bouncing and the woman just holding on to the rope, damn that was pretty bad, her face looked like she was getin stabed in the back.....lol, I had sex in the water before and my girlfriend didnt like it becasue it hurt....., then I had another girlfriend who kind of like it, so it must be a "wetness" issue............



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex
Are you saying i shouldn't get head in public anymore?

If anyone says anything to me, i just say "I'm Peter North, Biiiiiiiitch"
Hi Flex,

Buddy, you CAN get all the head you want - in public. I say it's just fine!!!

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: Pepper

Threads like this just remind me just how boring my sex life is.



Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
Threads like this just remind me just how boring my sex life is.
If you'd stop wearing your wife's shoes and anklets maybe she'd give you more play.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae
Is there anyone that has seen anyone that displayed public gross out? I have a story for all of you but I don't think you will like it.
Define "public". Because with a crowbar and a video cam, I've seen some pretty interesting stuff.



Posted by: Jenny

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
I mean, I enjoy some good making out in public and what not. I dont sit there and make out, but if I want some tongue, hey, thats my business.

If anybody has a problem fuck them, I'm not here to please them anyways.
I can personally vouch for this



Posted by: Jenny

Greeky, don't worry, Justin did not put the barfy face there for you



Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenny
I can personally vouch for this
We would hope so



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
If having a girl in a skirt sit on my lap with her panties pulled to the side in the back of a night club is wrong I don't want to be right.
......


manic?



Posted by: Little Wing

oops he said panties, or were they waaaayyyy to the side?



Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
oops he said panties, or were they waaaayyyy to the side?
They were to the side and she was facing the other way in a booth type seat, pretending to dance to the music, ohh what a lapdance it was.



Posted by: Shae

Well, there was this one time back in highschool when my mom was driving me home from a school function. I see this one car in front of us with a young couple inside. The lady was at the driver's seat and had her hand nearher man's genitals. And the guy was bouncing up and down like a bunny. I'm like, "Geez! Bad time to give a dude a handjob!"



Posted by: Flex

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Flex,

Buddy, you CAN get all the head you want - in public. I say it's just fine!!!

Take Care, John H.
PHEW!

Now i can go on with my life.



Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae
Well, there was this one time back in highschool when my mom was driving me home from a school function. I see this one car in front of us with a young couple inside. The lady was at the driver's seat and had her hand nearher man's genitals. And the guy was bouncing up and down like a bunny. I'm like, "Geez! Bad time to give a dude a handjob!"
I'm taking it that you like kinky stuff.



Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally Posted by greekblondechic
I hope you're not making barfy faces at me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
If I was I would have said GBC and not CL
Quote:
Originally Posted by greekblondechic
Yeah but his post was in response to mine...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
Yeh, but I wasnt talking about you...

I didnt really think he'd be stopping over for some making out with you, so I figured that he'd be taking care of his problems through some other means. Anyways, this is getting way too much into a flippant remark, and into areas I'm not too comfortable with.

Regardless, it wasnt a statement about you GBC.
Quote:
Originally Posted by greekblondechic
Ok.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
You get offended pretty easily you know




Posted by: Vieope

I donīt like when couples get cute or cuddle in public but nothing wrong with a very erotic scene.



Posted by: greekblondechic





Posted by: Shae

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
I'm taking it that you like kinky stuff.
I did not know back then. I was a young sophmore and I thought all sexual acts were funny.



Posted by: DOMS

They still are. They're just a...'different' kind of funny.



Posted by: Shae

I don't mean to change subject but Vieope, your sig and avitar are making me real nauseous.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
If you'd stop wearing your wife's shoes and anklets maybe she'd give you more play.

Hi Maniclion,

To me "play" is very important - FOREPLAY - extremely well done and focused on the other person foremost and that you CARE about them honestly - because the end result is that you do "get" what you are after ultimately unless your partner is: "brain" / "dead"...



Take Care, John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae
Well, there was this one time back in highschool when my mom was driving me home from a school function. I see this one car in front of us with a young couple inside. The lady was at the driver's seat and had her hand nearher man's genitals. And the guy was bouncing up and down like a bunny. I'm like, "Geez! Bad time to give a dude a handjob!"
Hi Shae,

Actually people DO get "important calls" ( you can look at it as a "cell-phone call" maybe) and you never know "when that will happen" - I suggest it is safest to "pull off" the side of the road and that way you are not "distracted" from the fine work "at hand" and ultimately the work is "finished" by hopefully someone who is a "master craftsman"...

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
I mean, I enjoy some good making out in public and what not. I dont sit there and make out, but if I want some tongue, hey, thats my business.

If anybody has a problem fuck them, I'm not here to please them anyways.

Hi Eggs,

In the country you see things all the time if you are at all observant. And yo do not even have to "try"...

Take horses for example, Male horses. They have "times" and you can see them just "standing there" in the fields "expressing themselves" naturally so.

I am sure there are those that if they saw this they would scream for someone to "cover up" that horse. Which is pure "bs". It has been happening since the beginning of time and always will and anyone that lives in the country and sees this just goes on about their "business" and lets the horse with his...

The "puritans" and the "puritanical" have never done this country much good. Or themselves truthfully speaking.


Take Care, John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex
PHEW!

Now i can go on with my life.

Hi Flex,

GLAD I could help you out Buddy!!!

TDGC, John H.



Posted by: John H.

I think if the truth were actually known, those that have any "objections" are really saying they are personally "pissed" because it it not THEM that this is going on with. So to "get even" they bitch about it. This is probably how "religion" first got started too and all the "prohibitions against..." - from completely jealous and inept people who "put themselves in power" over others.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: Twigz

Dear John,

You take the fun out of EVERYTHING.



Posted by: sgtneo

i went to london new years eve, and there was a couple near to having sex outside a building, was kinda cool to watch :P me m8s thought it was excellent



Posted by: Eggs

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
I think if the truth were actually known, those that have any "objections" are really saying they are personally "pissed" because it it not THEM that this is going on with. So to "get even" they bitch about it. This is probably how "religion" first got started too and all the "prohibitions against..." - from completely jealous and inept people who "put themselves in power" over others.

Take Care, John H.
John -

Eggs -



Posted by: Little Wing

1 down 1 to go



Posted by: sgtneo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggs
John -

Eggs -
lol you can feel the love between them, HAHA

nicely done eggs took the words out of my mouth



Posted by: gr81

I am not too crazy about PDA but sneeking off with your guy/girl where you could be seen and doin the damm thang with the thrill of getting caught, that is totally hot. Is there anyone here who would not be down if your girl nudges you in a public place and says to you "fucc me right here right now" b/c if thats so, you need to have your pulse checked... Go Manic!! lol



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gr81
I am not too crazy about PDA but sneeking off with your guy/girl where you could be seen and doin the damm thang with the thrill of getting caught, that is totally hot. Is there anyone here who would not be down if your girl nudges you in a public place and says to you "fucc me right here right now" b/c if thats so, you need to have your pulse checked... Go Manic!! lol
Hi Gr,

Absolutely! I was out walking on a nice fall day in the country and came up upon a couple going at it furiously. You could tell it was really important for them and they were really having fun. There was no way past them (the trail I was on at this point was a "hog back" - that is the land was very extreme on either side and the area to walk was really narrow - except to walk right by and I did not want to disturb them so I just kept walking at a normal pace and as I walked by - so as not to interrupt them - said "Hi Guys, have a damn good day" - they kept at it which I was glad for because I did not want to "screw it up for them or the moment". This is just one of the reasons I love living in the country. I've done this myself many times - there's nothing like all natural.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
I think if the truth were actually known, those that have any "objections" are really saying they are personally "pissed" because it it not THEM that this is going on with. So to "get even" they bitch about it. This is probably how "religion" first got started too and all the "prohibitions against..." - from completely jealous and inept people who "put themselves in power" over others.

Take Care, John H.
john boy leave it to you to bring religion into this discussion. i disnt read one post that said they were against pda for religious reasons, yet you automatically start with the anti-religion campain. grow up. why cant you leave a good thread alone without posting your propaganda?

and if a couple wants to use a little danger to spice up the love life. nore power to them



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
john boy leave it to you to bring religion into this discussion. i disnt read one post that said they were against pda for religious reasons, yet you automatically start with the anti-religion campain. grow up. why cant you leave a good thread alone without posting your propaganda?

and if a couple wants to use a little danger to spice up the love life. nore power to them
Bio,

I stand by what I said. You complain about ME SAYING what is true. What YOU SHOULD be complaining about IS WHAT "RELIGION" has done and does even to this day. Look at the record and see for yourself.

You remind me of people who bitch and moan about Janet Jackson showing ONE of her boobs - something EVERYONE has seen at least since National Geographic Magazine has been publishing half naked photos of the natives in other countries since about 1910, BUT when it comes to a child that is abused not much is really said or done - because it is a "private matter" within the "family" and "we should stay out of it" - BULLSHIT - let's see the "religious right" rise up against the abuse of children like they do with the showing of some woman's tits and let's see the government fine and jail people as quickly - let's see the FURROR that SHOULD COME ABOUT AND AS FAST from the "religious right" with regard to the abuse of CHILDREN who ARE SACRED AND PRECIOUS and can not defend themselves against their abusers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The "religious right" is FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they speak out of ALL sides of their mouths but when it comes to REALLY TRULY IMPORTANT THINGS they become meek and mild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As to those want want to spice up their life -
I have NO PROBLEM with those that are OF AGE AND ABILITY OF CONSENT AND GIVE THAT CONSENT FREELY. If they want to spice up their life that IS their business and no one elses - especially NOT religion and NOT government.

John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

did the children in kinsey's study give consent john? and what the hell are you talking about? when has the religious right acted as you say they have in regards to child abuse? they are the ones fighting hardest against it. the truth is john boy janet jacksons boobs doesnt belong in the halftime show to the super bowl. its live tv and the parents who dont want their kids to see it didnt get the option of first sensorship. with national geographic its a completly different story. your comparing apples to oranges to make your ridiculous point. religion isnt the problem john boy its zealous crack pots like you who make society suffer.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
did the children in kinsey's study give consent john? and what the hell are you talking about? when has the religious right acted as you say they have in regards to child abuse? they are the ones fighting hardest against it. the truth is john boy janet jacksons boobs doesnt belong in the halftime show to the super bowl. its live tv and the parents who dont want their kids to see it didnt get the option of first sensorship. with national geographic its a completly different story. your comparing apples to oranges to make your ridiculous point. religion isnt the problem john boy its zealous crack pots like you who make society suffer.

Bio,

Your "religion" has blinded you. And locked you and your brain (which God gave you to utilize to the very best of your ability - which I think you are not living up to - translation" you are lying to God and to yourself) in your own personal prison. Until and unless you are willing to look at ALL SIDES TO EVERYTHING OBJECTIVELY you will never really learn or know or understand much of anything. To attempt to do otherwise is a waste of time on your part.

As to "religion" and Janet Jackson - who the hell do you think called the FCC and complained about Janet Jackson and her showing? No red-blooded American Male did. By the way, ALL females HAVE "boobs" - "tits". They come in "pairs", one on each side of the other. I'll let you look up the clinical term. You are in college as a biology/chemistry major right. And just to let you know they are just below eye-level from most Men (you have to stand directly in front of a female and look directly at her at just below eye level (NO, NOT two inches from her - stand back a few feet at least - don't get too close - you might end up "exploding" (I'll explain that in another "session") - they can be small or large depending on each individual and some "protrude" more than on others which means, if that is the case, the female you are looking at is somewhat "well endowded" - and under a bra usually - not always - and under whatever top they are wearing. You probably don't believe me so you might want to walk up to a female and ask them if you can see them so you can "believe". Maybe you will get lucky and she will allow you to really "see" by "feeling them". But remember - DO NOT GET AROUSED because that is VERY WRONG and "god" will "blind ya" just for looking and it is "VERY SINFUL" - that "bump in your pants" you will have to chop off because a "religious zealot" "plucks out the sinful eye" - remember you are a religious zealot and you want to remain "sincere and truthful"...

As for child abuse in any form - the "religious right" should be so "dedicated" as they were with Janet Jackson. Of course most "religious zealots" will scream "shame" and "horror" then after they made their "showing" run out the back door and look for the closest female to use and abuse... But they will always "tell others" they are "squeeky clean" and "pure"....

Go to www.google.com and type in "Alfred C. Kinsey".

Then go to each site listed there. Read what each has to say. Then do your own research into the Man, his work, and the reasons and methodology behind it all.


Your "christianity" flows out of every word you type. You express your hatred, bigotry, bias, narrow-mindedness, and tunnel-vision all the time. How do you like living in a tunnel?


John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

you didnt adress anything i said you idiot. your posts have now reached the comical. they have no relevance other than something to laugh at when someone is bored. i would try and assume your only being satirical in your posts yet i get the impression you actually believe what your typing. i never said anything about religion and janet jackson together, and yet you go on and on about the two as if i had. you also didnt address how exactly the religious right has done nothing for abused children as you implied. and in regards to kinsey not one person on this board supports you on him. i read his book. i still find his methods unscientific and his ethics non-existint. and i hope my chiristianity comes out in the words i type. that was a compliment. john you have such a negative view on things its sad. to imply christians use and abuse women as the norm is assinine. you have your head shoved so far up your own butt you cant hear the truth. by the way john boy how is the tunnel vision with your head shoved up your rectum. you need to wake up and join the real world john boy. the one where the rest of us live.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio,

Your "religion" has blinded you. And locked you and your brain (which God gave you to utilize to the very best of your ability - which I think you are not living up to - translation" you are lying to God and to yourself) in your own personal prison. Until and unless you are willing to look at ALL SIDES TO EVERYTHING OBJECTIVELY you will never really learn or know or understand much of anything. To attempt to do otherwise is a waste of time on your part.

As to "religion" and Janet Jackson - who the hell do you think called the FCC and complained about Janet Jackson and her showing? No red-blooded American Male did. By the way, ALL females HAVE "boobs" - "tits". They come in "pairs", one on each side of the other. I'll let you look up the clinical term. You are in college as a biology/chemistry major right. And just to let you know they are just below eye-level from most Men (you have to stand directly in front of a female and look directly at her at just below eye level (NO, NOT two inches from her - stand back a few feet at least - don't get too close - you might end up "exploding" (I'll explain that in another "session") - they can be small or large depending on each individual and some "protrude" more than on others which means, if that is the case, the female you are looking at is somewhat "well endowded" - and under a bra usually - not always - and under whatever top they are wearing. You probably don't believe me so you might want to walk up to a female and ask them if you can see them so you can "believe". Maybe you will get lucky and she will allow you to really "see" by "feeling them". But remember - DO NOT GET AROUSED because that is VERY WRONG and "god" will "blind ya" just for looking and it is "VERY SINFUL" - that "bump in your pants" you will have to chop off because a "religious zealot" "plucks out the sinful eye" - remember you are a religious zealot and you want to remain "sincere and truthful"...

As for child abuse in any form - the "religious right" should be so "dedicated" as they were with Janet Jackson. Of course most "religious zealots" will scream "shame" and "horror" then after they made their "showing" run out the back door and look for the closest female to use and abuse... But they will always "tell others" they are "squeeky clean" and "pure"....

Go to www.google.com and type in "Alfred C. Kinsey".

Then go to each site listed there. Read what each has to say. Then do your own research into the Man, his work, and the reasons and methodology behind it all.


Your "christianity" flows out of every word you type. You express your hatred, bigotry, bias, narrow-mindedness, and tunnel-vision all the time. How do you like living in a tunnel?


John H.
What a drunken knave the sea was to cast thee in our way.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
What a drunken knave the sea was to cast thee in our way.
where do you get these? do you have a quote book of shakespear? i love these quotes



Posted by: Flex

John H,

Do unto us all a hugeth favor and go fucketh yourself.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
you didnt adress anything i said you idiot. your posts have now reached the comical. they have no relevance other than something to laugh at when someone is bored. i would try and assume your only being satirical in your posts yet i get the impression you actually believe what your typing. i never said anything about religion and janet jackson together, and yet you go on and on about the two as if i had. you also didnt address how exactly the religious right has done nothing for abused children as you implied. and in regards to kinsey not one person on this board supports you on him. i read his book. i still find his methods unscientific and his ethics non-existint. and i hope my chiristianity comes out in the words i type. that was a compliment. john you have such a negative view on things its sad. to imply christians use and abuse women as the norm is assinine. you have your head shoved so far up your own butt you cant hear the truth. by the way john boy how is the tunnel vision with your head shoved up your rectum. you need to wake up and join the real world john boy. the one where the rest of us live.
Bio,

Re-read what I said - carefully.

To "save you" from yourself it would be a great idea to put you into a room with about 1,000 perfect women (in everyway body-wise) and you have to F**k each one of them until they were satisified - by their definition - and you could not stop until THEY were finished with you. I think you are somehow "plugged up". You NEED an ENORMOUS AMOUNT of "relief"...

John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
What a drunken knave the sea was to cast thee in our way.

Rock,

Shakespeare "liked" guys too.

John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex
John H,

Do unto us all a hugeth favor and go fucketh yourself.
Hi Flex,

Kev would understand for sure - he IS a MAN in the TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD...

Did you get that head you needed? In public? I sure hope so. You should never have to "suffer" for the need of it anytime. Nothing like having others share your experiences and the fun.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio,

Re-read what I said - carefully.

To "save you" from yourself it would be a great idea to put you into a room with about 1,000 perfect women (in everyway body-wise) and you have to F**k each one of them until they were satisified - by their definition - and you could not stop until THEY were finished with you. I think you are somehow "plugged up". You NEED an ENORMOUS AMOUNT of "relief"...

John H.
what kind of uselessness is this? again when will you address the issues? your just writing out of nowhere with no direction. you dont know anything about my personal life and for you to tell me to screw a 1000 women is retarded. and i dont mean that figuratively, i mean it literally. are you some sort of savior to tell me the path to happiness that will lead me out of my prison? and by the way how did you get rockgazers ire? of all the people on this forum? i hope you brought your spelunking gear because your head is way up you ass. its guys like you that brought about the dark ages.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Rock,

Shakespeare "liked" guys too.

John H.
i could care less if he liked men john that is so not my point.

Watch out he's winding the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flex
John H,

Do unto us all a hugeth favor and go fucketh yourself.
Daffy Duck? good one.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Flex,

Kev would understand for sure - he IS a MAN in the TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD...

Did you get that head you needed? In public? I sure hope so. You should never have to "suffer" for the need of it anytime. Nothing like having others share your experiences and the fun.

Take Care, John H.
What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain James T. Kirk
Hi Spock,


Kev would understand for sure - he IS a MAN in the TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD...


Take Care, Captain James T. Kirk




Posted by: Little Wing

maybe he just talks like captain kirk. lol.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
what kind of uselessness is this? again when will you address the issues? your just writing out of nowhere with no direction. you dont know anything about my personal life and for you to tell me to screw a 1000 women is retarded. and i dont mean that figuratively, i mean it literally. are you some sort of savior to tell me the path to happiness that will lead me out of my prison? and by the way how did you get rockgazers ire? of all the people on this forum? i hope you brought your spelunking gear because your head is way up you ass. its guys like you that brought about the dark ages.
Bio,

You are not learning a thing.

Re-read what I said carefully.

As for the Dark Ages, it was people like yourself that put the world in that condition. And we just may be headed right back - repeating the bull of history because people do not learn from it.

The 1,000 women - that is probably what it would take to drain all that "pent up" in you that you are "saving" for some reason ....

John H.

John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
i could care less if he liked men john that is so not my point.

Watch out he's winding the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike.
Rock,

Shakespeare liked guys too.

John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath.
Rock,

Shakespeare liked guys too.

Try writing in modern English. I know you like to be cute but it is not in vogue in today's world. Neither is old English.

And Shakespeare died 1616. Just to let you know that is about 400 plus years ago. This is 2005.

John H.



Posted by: Shae

And the thread is killed!



Posted by: bio-chem

sorry john its rocks quotes that make this thread worth coming back to. even if the greatest english author died 400 years ago its hard to say his style isnt in vogue. the rest of us seem to like these quotes just fine. or is it your having trouble understanding and therefore cant respond?



Posted by: bio-chem

check your math john boy its 389 years ago. not quite 400 plus years ago.



Posted by: bio-chem

and john boy. tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. you have successfully removed all doubt



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
and john boy. tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. you have successfully removed all doubt
Bio,

This gives you something to do.

Have you found any women yet?

John H.



Posted by: Little Wing

john you have told me Shakespeare liked guys like 5 times now. tell me something i didn't already know.
Shakespeare wrote brilliantly, beautifully. he was able to make plain paper sing with every human emotion that exists. do you think anyone today would find pleasure in his writings if all he did was prattle on thinking he had some gleeful little secret he just had to constantly find new ways to brag about? "hi my name is will. i LIVE on a farm. i am a biSEXUAL male in EVERY sense of the word. i love SPLOOGE WEE i am SO unplugged".

and i am not writing the old english you twit it's Shakespeare quotes, even today very readable to those of us with more on our minds than being overly excited about being bi.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
john you have told me Shakespeare liked guys like 5 times now. tell me something i didn't already know.
Shakespeare wrote brilliantly, beautifully. he was able to make plain paper sing with every human emotion that exists. do you think anyone today would find pleasure in his writings if all he did was prattle on thinking he had some gleeful little secret he just had to constantly find new ways to brag about? "hi my name is will. i LIVE on a farm. i am a biSEXUAL male in EVERY sense of the word. i love SPLOOGE WEE i am SO unplugged".

and i am not writing the old english you twit it's Shakespeare quotes, even today very readable to those of us with more on our minds than being overly excited about being bi.
Rock,

Shakespeare - "Billy" - liked Guys too.

John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
john you have told me Shakespeare liked guys like 5 times now. tell me something i didn't already know.
Shakespeare wrote brilliantly, beautifully. he was able to make plain paper sing with every human emotion that exists. do you think anyone today would find pleasure in his writings if all he did was prattle on thinking he had some gleeful little secret he just had to constantly find new ways to brag about? "hi my name is will. i LIVE on a farm. i am a biSEXUAL male in EVERY sense of the word. i love SPLOOGE WEE i am SO unplugged".

and i am not writing the old english you twit it's Shakespeare quotes, even today very readable to those of us with more on our minds than being overly excited about being bi.
rock you are totally my new favorite here on IM i got much more than a chuckle from this response to john boy. i dont think its ever been put that way to john boy yet.

oh yea john i have a girlfriend, we have chosen not to have sex yet, and we are both happy with the decision. but im glad indedility works in your relationship with your "wife" thats a great example for your kids



Posted by: Little Wing

dear john h, do you talk so much about guys cuz you are trolling for cock or are you trying to take our suspicions of this being you away?





Posted by: thatguy

This is what's going on with him:

He is gay. He has been shunned and hurt by various people because of it. This is why he hates religion so much.

I'm not sure why, perhaps he was raised with a religious background, or perhaps it is because he is married with children, but for some reason he feels the need to justify his sexuality to himself and others CONSTANTLY.

Because of his obsession to justify it to himself and others, he has allowed his sexuality to permeate every other area of his life. Now, no matter what the subject is, he somehow brings it back to his sexuality in one way or another. He sees everything through that "filter."

He never admits to being wrong in any situation because somehow, maybe subconsciously, he feels that being wrong means that his being gay is wrong. This doesn't make logical sense, but it stems from his obsession with the subject and that fact that he has let it take over all of his thoughts.

He lives on a farm because he enjoys nature - it doesn't condemn or discriminate, it just continues on around him whether or not he is gay. He loves the acceptance, and even uses "nature" often to further justify his sexual preferences.

He finds joy in things - books, movies, etc. not necessarily because they are good, but because they make him feel better. He looks for people that will not condemn his sexuality, but will support it and will shun people who don't. Hence his interest in Dr. Alfred Kinsey and liberals like George Carlin. He would not be able to find joy in a book by someone more conservative; instead, he would see it as a threat to who he is.

He preaches open-mindedness and acceptance of everything even though it is different, however it is apparent to all of us that true open-mindedness is accompanied by comfort -- comfort in other opinions and the people that hold them. If one is truly open-minded, then other opinions are not threats to them, even if they are different. To surround yourself with different opinions is to enrich yourself. Instead of being open-minded, he is very closed. He defends his opinions and stances ardently. He encourages others to be open-minded only so they will consider his own narrow opinions. One who is truly open does not defend because he sees the validity in all opinions. One who is truly open does not get offended as John often does, because other opinions are not threats but rather companions.

In closing, I am confident that the analysis of his actions I have outlined above are accurate, but there is no way to prove them. He has built up such a shell around himself that he will never let me or anyone else make him admit this is true. But I know that I, and probably many others, can see these things. It is sad and interesting that he has let his supposed strength become his overwhelming weakness, and he has let his own obsession take all of the real joy and comfort away from the lifestyle that he has chosen. Maybe this post will be an eye-opener for him, and he will let some of these things go, so that he can be truly content in who he is and the choices he has made.



Posted by: Little Wing

smartypants.



Posted by: greekblondechic

My attention span is too short..



Posted by: thatguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgazer69
smartypants.




Posted by: bio-chem

so by conclusion we understand that............? ha ha ha. actually your analysis sounds good to me



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thatguy
This is what's going on with him:

He is gay. He has been shunned and hurt by various people because of it. This is why he hates religion so much.

I'm not sure why, perhaps he was raised with a religious background, or perhaps it is because he is married with children, but for some reason he feels the need to justify his sexuality to himself and others CONSTANTLY.

Because of his obsession to justify it to himself and others, he has allowed his sexuality to permeate every other area of his life. Now, no matter what the subject is, he somehow brings it back to his sexuality in one way or another. He sees everything through that "filter."

He never admits to being wrong in any situation because somehow, maybe subconsciously, he feels that being wrong means that his being gay is wrong. This doesn't make logical sense, but it stems from his obsession with the subject and that fact that he has let it take over all of his thoughts.

He lives on a farm because he enjoys nature - it doesn't condemn or discriminate, it just continues on around him whether or not he is gay. He loves the acceptance, and even uses "nature" often to further justify his sexual preferences.

He finds joy in things - books, movies, etc. not necessarily because they are good, but because they make him feel better. He looks for people that will not condemn his sexuality, but will support it and will shun people who don't. Hence his interest in Dr. Alfred Kinsey and liberals like George Carlin. He would not be able to find joy in a book by someone more conservative; instead, he would see it as a threat to who he is.

He preaches open-mindedness and acceptance of everything even though it is different, however it is apparent to all of us that true open-mindedness is accompanied by comfort -- comfort in other opinions and the people that hold them. If one is truly open-minded, then other opinions are not threats to them, even if they are different. To surround yourself with different opinions is to enrich yourself. Instead of being open-minded, he is very closed. He defends his opinions and stances ardently. He encourages others to be open-minded only so they will consider his own narrow opinions. One who is truly open does not defend because he sees the validity in all opinions. One who is truly open does not get offended as John often does, because other opinions are not threats but rather companions.

In closing, I am confident that the analysis of his actions I have outlined above are accurate, but there is no way to prove them. He has built up such a shell around himself that he will never let me or anyone else make him admit this is true. But I know that I, and probably many others, can see these things. It is sad and interesting that he has let his supposed strength become his overwhelming weakness, and he has let his own obsession take all of the real joy and comfort away from the lifestyle that he has chosen. Maybe this post will be an eye-opener for him, and he will let some of these things go, so that he can be truly content in who he is and the choices he has made.
Hi Thatguy,

First of all - to repeat, I am a BiSexual Man. If I was Gay though I would have no problem with that natural aspect of Sexuality and Life either.

The hurt and the shunning you speak of comes from "religious teachings" which are based on total falsehood. It is directed to me and to people who are also BiSexual and Homosexual based on "religious beliefs" which are totally inaccurate and wrong. God speaks for Himself and never needs anyone to speak for Him. God never said one word and neither did Jesus Christ. What men "create" or "dream-up" is just that. Nothing more. And that is what "religion" IS. I have no use for anyone or any "religion" that promotes hatred, bigotry, narrow-mindedness, tunnel-vision, etc. or those that have as their desire to cause others any misery or promote the strangling of life and living.

You mention "...justification..." - I do not need to "justify" what is completely natural, right and good. And I do not. It is not necessary to "justify" something that is intended by Nature to be. And is. Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality - terms - names applied to - are facets of Sexuality that ARE completely natural and intended.

I address the ignorance and in some cases the stupidity. You speak of "obsession" - it IS the "religious right" that is "obsessed" trying to "justify" their promotion of falsehood and outright lying. It is THEY who are trying to "survive" against the mounting scientific evidence that what they "preach" is total fabrication - because when that fabrication IS PROVEN BEYOND ANY DOUBT they will BE the fools they have always been in everyone's eye then. So they always will be against any honest accurate scientific research into any subject that questions the "teachings" of "religion".

You speak of "...acceptance..." - it IS "religion" that DEMANDS others just "accept" what is postulized "or you are OUT" and that fear they generate into others is designed to damn people in an effort to gain some kind of strength OVER others and perpetuate the bullshit. "Religion" is nothing more that another form of politics and the controlling of others for some one else's personal gain. It is a power-trip.

I always consider all things from all perspectives objectively and with a completely open mind. That is how I can say what I say. It is the sum of the evidence I gather from all points of view and the evidence itself. If you did the research yourself you would see the truthfulness of this yourself.

You mention my "...getting offended...". I do not know of any human being that would not "get offended" by someone else who - in the name of some "religion" - would try to damn, discredit, harm, or even kill someone else especially if there were absolutely no truthful accurate honest basis for that or valid reason. "Religion" is nothing more than brainwashing. And the strange thing about that is that some people ALLOW themselves to be brainwashed. That willl never happen to me. You and some others who respond to what I say in the manner and fashion that you do, do that in response to my questioning of your "beliefs" because I have validity and facts to back up my words. And it scares you to have someone discredit honestly what you promote.

Using your Heterosexuality for example. If someone questioned you and it you'd be one of the first to be "offended" and would want to "defend" yourself. You mention "condemning" - I look at THE FACTS and when I see others "condemn" when that "condemnation" is based on FALSEHOOD I certainly will stand up and say something.

As for me "being wrong", when I am I honestly and freely admit it. No one is perfect.

You could not be more wrong about me. But then you really do not know me at all.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: craig777

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Thatguy,

First of all - to repeat, I am a BiSexual Man. If I was Gay though I would have no problem with that natural aspect of Sexuality and Life either.

The hurt and the shunning you speak of comes from "religious teachings" which are based on total falsehood. It is directed to me and to people who are also BiSexual and Homosexual based on "religious beliefs" which are totally inaccurate and wrong. God speaks for Himself and never needs anyone to speak for Him. God never said one word and neither did Jesus Christ. What men "create" or "dream-up" is just that. Nothing more. And that is what "religion" IS. I have no use for anyone or any "religion" that promotes hatred, bigotry, narrow-mindedness, tunnel-vision, etc. or those that have as their desire to cause others any misery or promote the strangling of life and living.

You mention "...justification..." - I do not need to "justify" what is completely natural, right and good. And I do not. It is not necessary to "justify" something that is intended by Nature to be. And is. Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality - terms - names applied to - are facets of Sexuality that ARE completely natural and intended.

I address the ignorance and in some cases the stupidity. You speak of "obsession" - it IS the "religious right" that is "obsessed" trying to "justify" their promotion of falsehood and outright lying. It is THEY who are trying to "survive" against the mounting scientific evidence that what they "preach" is total fabrication - because when that fabrication IS PROVEN BEYOND ANY DOUBT they will BE the fools they have always been in everyone's eye then. So they always will be against any honest accurate scientific research into any subject that questions the "teachings" of "religion".

You speak of "...acceptance..." - it IS "religion" that DEMANDS others just "accept" what is postulized "or you are OUT" and that fear they generate into others is designed to damn people in an effort to gain some kind of strength OVER others and perpetuate the bullshit. "Religion" is nothing more that another form of politics and the controlling of others for some one else's personal gain. It is a power-trip.

I always consider all things from all perspectives objectively and with a completely open mind. That is how I can say what I say. It is the sum of the evidence I gather from all points of view and the evidence itself. If you did the research yourself you would see the truthfulness of this yourself.

You mention my "...getting offended...". I do not know of any human being that would not "get offended" by someone else who - in the name of some "religion" - would try to damn, discredit, harm, or even kill someone else especially if there were absolutely no truthful accurate honest basis for that or valid reason. "Religion" is nothing more than brainwashing. And the strange thing about that is that some people ALLOW themselves to be brainwashed. That willl never happen to me. You and some others who respond to what I say in the manner and fashion that you do, do that in response to my questioning of your "beliefs" because I have validity and facts to back up my words. And it scares you to have someone discredit honestly what you promote.

Using your Heterosexuality for example. If someone questioned you and it you'd be one of the first to be "offended" and would want to "defend" yourself. You mention "condemning" - I look at THE FACTS and when I see others "condemn" when that "condemnation" is based on FALSEHOOD I certainly will stand up and say something.

As for me "being wrong", when I am I honestly and freely admit it. No one is perfect.

You could not be more wrong about me. But then you really do not know me at all.

Take Care, John H.

Wow John, your anger and hatred is overwhelming. How many times do you say religions and religious in all of that.

I am a Christian and I attend a 10,000 member church. I think I know how most Christians think. We believe that homosexuality is a sin, that is true. Do we condemn or judge you for it, not at all. Have at it and have fun.

John, I think you need to look at yourself. I don't know why Christians have to see it your way. We are entitled to our beliefs just as you are entitled to yours.

Bye



Posted by: bio-chem

john boy i was unable to read further when i got to "God never said one word, and neither did Jesus Christ" you need to clarify what you mean by this. are you saying God doesnt have contact with us and he just leaves us to our own thoughts/feelings/emotions to control our actions? cuz if thats the case your one cynical bastard.

john boy your inability to admit your wrong is one of the many reasons people dont like your myriad of posts on the same stupid subject. you always post in some way to justify your lifestyle. the fact is we are not closed minded for not accepting your views. we can totally look at the situation objectively and decide that your lifestyle does not fit our beliefs. you need therapy bad john boy and about 2 handfulls of pills



Posted by: thatguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Thatguy,

First of all - to repeat, I am a BiSexual Man. If I was Gay though I would have no problem with that natural aspect of Sexuality and Life either.

The hurt and the shunning you speak of comes from "religious teachings" which are based on total falsehood. It is directed to me and to people who are also BiSexual and Homosexual based on "religious beliefs" which are totally inaccurate and wrong. God speaks for Himself and never needs anyone to speak for Him. God never said one word and neither did Jesus Christ. What men "create" or "dream-up" is just that. Nothing more. And that is what "religion" IS. I have no use for anyone or any "religion" that promotes hatred, bigotry, narrow-mindedness, tunnel-vision, etc. or those that have as their desire to cause others any misery or promote the strangling of life and living.

You mention "...justification..." - I do not need to "justify" what is completely natural, right and good. And I do not. It is not necessary to "justify" something that is intended by Nature to be. And is. Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality - terms - names applied to - are facets of Sexuality that ARE completely natural and intended.

I address the ignorance and in some cases the stupidity. You speak of "obsession" - it IS the "religious right" that is "obsessed" trying to "justify" their promotion of falsehood and outright lying. It is THEY who are trying to "survive" against the mounting scientific evidence that what they "preach" is total fabrication - because when that fabrication IS PROVEN BEYOND ANY DOUBT they will BE the fools they have always been in everyone's eye then. So they always will be against any honest accurate scientific research into any subject that questions the "teachings" of "religion".

You speak of "...acceptance..." - it IS "religion" that DEMANDS others just "accept" what is postulized "or you are OUT" and that fear they generate into others is designed to damn people in an effort to gain some kind of strength OVER others and perpetuate the bullshit. "Religion" is nothing more that another form of politics and the controlling of others for some one else's personal gain. It is a power-trip.

I always consider all things from all perspectives objectively and with a completely open mind. That is how I can say what I say. It is the sum of the evidence I gather from all points of view and the evidence itself. If you did the research yourself you would see the truthfulness of this yourself.

You mention my "...getting offended...". I do not know of any human being that would not "get offended" by someone else who - in the name of some "religion" - would try to damn, discredit, harm, or even kill someone else especially if there were absolutely no truthful accurate honest basis for that or valid reason. "Religion" is nothing more than brainwashing. And the strange thing about that is that some people ALLOW themselves to be brainwashed. That willl never happen to me. You and some others who respond to what I say in the manner and fashion that you do, do that in response to my questioning of your "beliefs" because I have validity and facts to back up my words. And it scares you to have someone discredit honestly what you promote.

Using your Heterosexuality for example. If someone questioned you and it you'd be one of the first to be "offended" and would want to "defend" yourself. You mention "condemning" - I look at THE FACTS and when I see others "condemn" when that "condemnation" is based on FALSEHOOD I certainly will stand up and say something.

As for me "being wrong", when I am I honestly and freely admit it. No one is perfect.

You could not be more wrong about me. But then you really do not know me at all.

Take Care, John H.
Well, once again you have done two things: 1) Proved my point even further and 2) Made more illogical statements. Let's start at the beginning...

Look at how many times you mentioned religion. It is clear that you see religion and the stance it takes as a threat to who you are.

You claimed that you have no need to justify yourself. Yet you spend post after post doing it every time you log on.

You claim that you have an open mind, yet you spent several paragraphs trying to debunk religion, and referred to those that believe in it as "fools." That doesn't sound very open to me, in fact, it is quite closed. I will restate my previous claim: You want others to be open-minded only so they will be open to your narrow views.

You claim that I say the things I say to you because of my beliefs. I want you to search my posts and find a time I religiously condemned being gay or bisexual. I never did. I actually stated that I was confused by what the Bible says. Things I say to you are never to condemn your sexual preference; instead they are to show you three things: 1) that you are not open-minded as you claim to be, 2) that you do not use logic to prove your points, and 3) you scorn religious people for "imposing" their views on you, yet all here would agree that you impose your views on us. I have nothing against you or your sexuality personally, John, merely the way you go about shoving it down everyone else's throats.

You claim that God and Jesus Christ has never said anything to anyone. How do people even know who Jesus is? Was Jesus a mime when he was on earth? Did a group of people follow this mime around and pretend he was speaking? This does not make logical sense.

You ask for the use of evidence. My last post was a sum of the evidence I have seen in your posts. You discredit it as if it was written by someone of lesser intelligence than you. It seems to me that you have no respect for pure evidence, but rather you only respect evidence that proves YOUR point.

Speaking of evidence, do you have any evidence that Jesus or God never spoke? You would probably say, "They've never spoken to me." But what about all of the millions of people that claim they've spoken to them? You will not consider their opinions because when it comes down to it, you are closed-minded.

This is what it boils down to: For whatever reason you have decided to hold certain views on certain things. That is fine and acceptable. However, you hold them in concrete while wearing a false cloak of open-mindedness, when in reality you are closed to all opinions except the ones you have chosen to hold. I have already delineated my opinion on the reasons for this in my last post, so I won't do it again.

I could be wrong, John, because I only know you by the few hundred posts of yours I've read. But based on those, I'd say that evidence leans in my favor, and I'm sure there are plenty of others who would agree...



Posted by: bio-chem

i agree



Posted by: Little Wing

me three.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by craig777
Wow John, your anger and hatred is overwhelming. How many times do you say religions and religious in all of that.

I am a Christian and I attend a 10,000 member church. I think I know how most Christians think. We believe that homosexuality is a sin, that is true. Do we condemn or judge you for it, not at all. Have at it and have fun.

John, I think you need to look at yourself. I don't know why Christians have to see it your way. We are entitled to our beliefs just as you are entitled to yours.

Bye
Hi Craig,

I "hate" people that "hate" and are bigoted and narrow-minded. More often than not that represents "religion" in its entirely. "Religion" is nothing more that glorified politics. There is such a HUGE VOID between God and "religion"!!!! And that void is getting WIDER. The danger is becoming more and more real. Look at the present state of the world and "religion's" role in the bullshit.

Your "belief" that Homosexuality is a sin is from the words of MAN - NOT GOD! GOD AND CHRIST THEMSELVES NEVER SAID ONE WORD ABOUT IT. EVER! And, Heterosexuality, BiSexuality AND Homosexuality DO exist in Nature and the Natural World and always have. People do NOT choose their Sexuality same as they do not choose the color of their skin - each IS a PART of WHO THEY ARE AS AN INDIVIDUAL. You "beliefs" are based on falsehood. They are NOT based on FACTS as THEY ARE IN REALITY. And it is "religion" and "religious beliefs" that are political and they are using that venue to try to control others. Remember there are THOUSANDS of "religions" each with their own "beliefs". As long as "religion" is allowed to have any strength it will ruin this world - look at the history of "religion" HONESTLY AND ACCURATELY - you WILL SEE the horror that has evolved from it.

"Seeing it my way"? What people NEED to do IS SEE THE TRUTH AS IT IS not what they "dream up" as being "the truth" which is what "religion" too often does and then trys to shove those "beliefs" down the throats of others. Forcefully.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone seeking HONEST answers to the seemingly UNanswerable. But that effort MUST BE HONEST, ACCURATE, COMPLETE as possible and life-long. And SEEN from ALL SIDES from ALL SOURCES - OBJECTIVELY.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
john boy i was unable to read further when i got to "God never said one word, and neither did Jesus Christ" you need to clarify what you mean by this. are you saying God doesnt have contact with us and he just leaves us to our own thoughts/feelings/emotions to control our actions? cuz if thats the case your one cynical bastard.

john boy your inability to admit your wrong is one of the many reasons people dont like your myriad of posts on the same stupid subject. you always post in some way to justify your lifestyle. the fact is we are not closed minded for not accepting your views. we can totally look at the situation objectively and decide that your lifestyle does not fit our beliefs. you need therapy bad john boy and about 2 handfulls of pills
Bio,

I did not mince my words. GOD NEVER SAID EVER. CHRIST NEVER SAID EVER. NOT ONE WORD! MAN has. BUT NOT GOD and NOT CHRIST.

YOU and people as you do not SEE the reality as IT IS. You like to create reality and then force those views on others to the point of damning others and even forcing your views through political means. "Religion" is nothing more than glorified politics. There IS a HUGE VOID between GOD and "religion" and it is getting MUCH WIDER. "Religion" is becoming much more political. I believe in God but have absolutely no use for "religion".

Me? A "...cynical bastard..."? I can assure you I am not a "bastard". But then this talk from you represents a "religious zealot". "Religion" to the extreme is a form of insanity. As for "cynicism" - I certainly have a few reasons to be cynical. Of "religion" - FOR DAMN SURE!!! BANK ON IT. I see and have learned about that firsthand.

And as for any "...justif(ication)..." - it is "religion" and people like yourself that are forcing your views on others and trying to "justify"... You say it yourself - "YOUR 'beliefs'"!!! Your "beliefs" are NOT based on FACTS AS THEY ARE TRUTHFULLY.

You are in the wrong studying Biology and Chemistry. Sure there are facts you will have to learn - as a foundation - but you WILL BE REQUIRED to have an open mind to QUESTION ALL THINGS OBJECTIVELY and CONSIDER ALL INFORMATION FROM ALL SOURCES to ever be successful as someone entering into the fields of Biology and/or Chemistry - that is unless you just plan on "doing as always has been done" which is NOT what Biology and Chemistry is all about. You should think about going into something else where tunnel vision is important - law enforcement maybe. Biology? No. Chemistry? No. That takes someone with a willingness to BE OPEN MINDED so they TRULY CAN LEARN and attempt to answer the unknown. You put your mind in a prison and as long as you look at things the way you do you will stay there for life.

I say these things to BE CONstructive to you NOT DEstructive. Any DEstruction - You do that yourself.

John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thatguy
Well, once again you have done two things: 1) Proved my point even further and 2) Made more illogical statements. Let's start at the beginning...

Look at how many times you mentioned religion. It is clear that you see religion and the stance it takes as a threat to who you are.

You claimed that you have no need to justify yourself. Yet you spend post after post doing it every time you log on.

You claim that you have an open mind, yet you spent several paragraphs trying to debunk religion, and referred to those that believe in it as "fools." That doesn't sound very open to me, in fact, it is quite closed. I will restate my previous claim: You want others to be open-minded only so they will be open to your narrow views.

You claim that I say the things I say to you because of my beliefs. I want you to search my posts and find a time I religiously condemned being gay or bisexual. I never did. I actually stated that I was confused by what the Bible says. Things I say to you are never to condemn your sexual preference; instead they are to show you three things: 1) that you are not open-minded as you claim to be, 2) that you do not use logic to prove your points, and 3) you scorn religious people for "imposing" their views on you, yet all here would agree that you impose your views on us. I have nothing against you or your sexuality personally, John, merely the way you go about shoving it down everyone else's throats.

You claim that God and Jesus Christ has never said anything to anyone. How do people even know who Jesus is? Was Jesus a mime when he was on earth? Did a group of people follow this mime around and pretend he was speaking? This does not make logical sense.

You ask for the use of evidence. My last post was a sum of the evidence I have seen in your posts. You discredit it as if it was written by someone of lesser intelligence than you. It seems to me that you have no respect for pure evidence, but rather you only respect evidence that proves YOUR point.

Speaking of evidence, do you have any evidence that Jesus or God never spoke? You would probably say, "They've never spoken to me." But what about all of the millions of people that claim they've spoken to them? You will not consider their opinions because when it comes down to it, you are closed-minded.

This is what it boils down to: For whatever reason you have decided to hold certain views on certain things. That is fine and acceptable. However, you hold them in concrete while wearing a false cloak of open-mindedness, when in reality you are closed to all opinions except the ones you have chosen to hold. I have already delineated my opinion on the reasons for this in my last post, so I won't do it again.

I could be wrong, John, because I only know you by the few hundred posts of yours I've read. But based on those, I'd say that evidence leans in my favor, and I'm sure there are plenty of others who would agree...
Hi Thatguy,

My statements are based on the facts. Look at the history and present practices of "religion". Their "beliefs" - and there are thousands of "religions" each with "their beliefs", their "visions" , etc.

As for Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality - GOD NEVER SAID ONE WORD. CHRIST NEVER SAID ONE WORD. PERIOD. If any of these were wrong THEY - THEMSELVES - certainly WOULD HAVE SAID SO - THEMSELVES and MANY TIMES - AND THEY NEVER DID. Each of the Sexualities exists in Nature and the Natural World and always has. They are - like all else - variations. Variety EXISTS IN ALL THINGS for good reasons. Anyone WITH AN OPEN MIND will see that and understand that is TRUE ABSOLUTELY. There IS purpose - reason - behind that variety in ALL things.

"Religion" is in the business of collecting money, lording over others, damning, being bigoted and hateful and narrow-minded. Not ALL "religious" people are that way but far too many ARE and love it. It is a nitch they fit in and enjoy.

Is "religion" a threat? Yes it is - to ALL people. Actually even those that are "religious" to the extreme. Because what goes around will come around. An example: Iraq and the entire Middle East. As long as they hold to falsehood and perpetuate it and force their views on others. Which IS what they do. EVERYDAY.

You are right about one thing. You do not know me personally. If you did you would see that I treat others as I would want to be treated and that I hold sacred life and the living of that life. And children especially because they are the most vulnerable and precious. Children are not born "poisoned" they are taught that "poison". Have you ever been to an elementary school full of kids and keep quiet and just HEAR and SEE how they talk and act? Before they become older and start "learning" the rottenness of the world? Hell THEY should be running this world because it would be a far better place for all people if they did. They enjoy and celebrate LIFE and LIVING - and are too young to even know it yet.

You do not know me.

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

so are you saying Christ never spoke? you say you believe in God. do you believe in Christ? if God doesnt speak how do people know about him? how do you know the will of God if not through his words?



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