Originally Posted by shiznit2169

One guy (a boxer) on the news had both of his legs amputated. He was only like 25 years old.

Originally Posted by musclepump

It's all steroids fault, don't you know? Doesn't matter how much, when you take it, how old you are. Noooo... nope nope nope. Just steroids. Steroids steroids steroids. One exogenous gram of Test and you, my friend, are fucked!

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

ya it's ridiculous. People need to show them side affects of using steroids like liver/kidney problems or blood clots that can lead to serious damage. One guy (a boxer) on the news had both of his legs amputated. He was only like 25 years old.

It's all major league baseball fault. Way to step up at the hearing mcguire, palmeiro, sosa, schilling..they were clueless and refused to talk about their past.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Apparently there is a Steroid Boom sweeping the Nation among teens? They even found a high percentage of 5th & 6th graders taking Steroids!

Originally Posted by Flex

That's REAL believable

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Take Steroids and have a little of this ... that makes for a lot of this.... ....or perhaps one dead Monster?

Originally Posted by Mudge

Yeah right, nobody in any other sport takes steroids. Blame it on Baseball because everyone else is doing it so it must be right.

I think it is YOU who is clueless.

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

True that..I can't think of a single sport that hasn't been effected by performance enhancing drugs.

Originally Posted by Vieope

Originally Posted by SlimShady

In the meantime, you can stroll down to almost any market on the corner and buy a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of whiskey. But congress is worried about steroids and they even banned PHs.

Then they wonder why fewer and fewer people seem to respect the law.

Originally Posted by cfs3

2. People that use alcohol and cigarettes don't make the skinny-ass lawmakers feel inadequate.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

People need to show them side affects of using steroids like liver/kidney problems or blood clots that can lead to serious damage..

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Take Steroids and have a little of this ... that makes for a lot of this.... ....or perhaps one dead Monster?

Originally Posted by Vieope

Originally Posted by Mudge

Of course if they pooled only several "bad" schools with those kinds of issues, then I'm sure they could skew statitistics enough to make it look like an epidemic as they so claim.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Oh, wow.

Originally Posted by The__wenger

I'am currentlu 17 and playing fairly serious baseball, I will have to admit using steroids had once been very intriguing, but I have never used them and instead have committed myelsf to improving my game the "natural" way. I can clearly see why many teenagers and kids have been using them, especially when playing amateur baseball, I personally know 2 guys on my team last year who admitted to using steroids and to my knowledge still use them. What I'd like to know is how they (kids) have access to steroids?

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Ya, but even in the school I go to ,the worst drug school in the county, there is not many kids on steroids.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Yes, smarty pants indeed. Just without the pants part.

Originally Posted by DDan16

i belive if one is properly educated, steroids arent harmful.. no matter the age.

Originally Posted by cfs3

What about the issue of hardening the growth plates? Or has that no basis in facts?

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

WHOA Tough Guy! I obviously knew that the boxer brought that shit on himself. As for the rest of you, i was being sarcastic about the MLB hearing. Flex, maybe you're too stupid to understand the difference between a sarcastic comment and a serious comment.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

ya it's ridiculous. People need to show them side affects of using steroids like liver/kidney problems or blood clots that can lead to serious damage. One guy (a boxer) on the news had both of his legs amputated. He was only like 25 years old.

It's all major league baseball fault. Way to step up at the hearing mcguire, palmeiro, sosa, schilling..they were clueless and refused to talk about their past.

Originally Posted by Vieope

Originally Posted by cfs3

I don't know, which was why I asked.

But the idea that steroids would lock the growth plates makes sense. The growth plates lock around the peak of natural testosterone production. If one were to simulate such levels long enough, it may result in the body hardening the growth plates.

Originally Posted by DDan16

well, im new to the steroid biz, but im learning. and from what ive learned, steroids dont stimulate natural test, infact they suppress natural test. so the steroids wouldnt trigger the lock of plates, right?

Originally Posted by cfs3

I don't know, which was why I asked.

But the idea that steroids would lock the growth plates makes sense. The growth plates lock around the peak of natural testosterone production. If one were to simulate such levels long enough, it may result in the body hardening the growth plates.

Originally Posted by Vieope

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Just spitting out words.... lol.

There's a heck of a lot more stuff put in them there Steroids than what's in our Man-made Processed foods ....that we R all so encouraged 2 stay the heck away from?

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

How anyone could draw such a comparison is absolutely baffling...

Does the endocrine system (gonads) secrete cheesburgers??

Originally Posted by cfs3

Ignorance. Just as what is in your posts.

"There's a heck of a lot more stuff put in them there Steroids than what's in our Man-made Processed foods" - From Ignorance

Or maybe it's just stupidity. But where does one end and the other begin? With the your mouth.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

life is a lesson...
have u not learned it Best 2B a foolish man than a wicked one?

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Originally Posted by Missfit4all

life is a lesson...
have u not learned it Best 2B a foolish man than a wicked one?

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Originally Posted by gr81

First off son, Flex is far from stupid and its ridiculous to hint otherwise, and excuse the man for not being able to tell over the internet, in print, the emotional context of a statement you made. Maybe it's you that needs to clarify your position and nto assume that everyone else is on teh same page as your sarcasm, huh? He has anger that stems from high levels of frustration regarding the subject of AAS, as does anyone else who is educated on the subject and is forced to listen to the constant editorializing and loaded propaganda-like reports day in and day out, people simply are flat out lying to cater to special interest groups on the subject of AAS. Now if you think he has an anger problem towards the subject, wait till you get me involved in the debate which is whats gonna happen when you talk shit about my friend. You know its not the job of proffessional athletes to educate children on their health decisions, its the job of the federal government and education systems, and if they didn't lie about the drug situation in this country day in and day out then maybe children would be able to make informed decisions and be able to trust that information! Maybe if the government displayed the same convictions that pays lip service to during elections then this countries priorities would be fillde with more value. How is it that this country can cash baseballs check on a monday and try to admonish them for the very achievements they were praised for earlier? Steroids in baseball was the greatest thing to happen to the game in the last 20 years. Without the Hr race with McGwire and Sosa, Baseball would never have recovered from its strike and would be dead. Without Bonds chase for Aarons's record, baseball would be dead, and frankly when the government trys to lecture these finely tuned athletes on the state of their conditioning b/c they have a higher hormone level, it makes them, look absolutely hypocritical and completely foolish and ridiculous, and theres just no way to get around that. Maybe it wouldn't be quite so hypocritical if these men making the laws spend even five minutes in their entire life researching what these hormones are and what they truly do, or at least didn't spend so much time associating themselves with and accepting the campaign contributions of the tobacco company who hold this government by the balls. Fucc that, and if you side with them then fucc you too.. ya dig

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't jump in here. Guys who can smack the shit out of a baseball (hand eye coordination) don't get better at doing that (hand eye coordination) by taking juice. This is fact.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Flex, really...save your fingers from pointless flaming. There is no need to start this shit at all. You're obviously a person with a terrible attitude and take it out on people over the forums. Be a man and don't even say anything. I'm not going to even waste my time arguing with you because you will still continue to flame and will throw more pathetic insults at me. Grow up.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

are you talking about the New England Patriots? If you are, funny you mentioned it because i'm from foxboro (hometown of the pats) and you're right, they get no respect at all from the media. All these espn "experts" rely on stats and teams with superstars that will beat a team with no stars and the fact that they are not a flashy team. I mean come on, the pats beat the colts 20-3 or something in the playoffs and they still get no respect when they faced the steelers? Look what happened, they destroyed them like they were a rookie team. Then the superbowl comes and all the talk was about whether or not T.O would play with a broken ankle and freddy mitchell runs his mouth. Even after the game, the first thing they talked about was how T.O proved everyone wrong and talked about him and his amazing stats. Hello? He's not the whole team and they didn't win the superbowl...

Anytime i hear the so called experts talk about the Pats, i change the channel. The only guys i listen to are Chris Berman and Tom Jackson.

Originally Posted by brogers

gr81, good post but I disagree about it being the government/education system's job to teach about steroids(or drugs for that matter). This reflects the extreme degredation of personal responsibility in America. We have welfare for unemployed, drug rehabs, etc all funded by others to fix problems created by individuals (most often by their own decisions). Parents refuse to take any sort of responsibility for their children's action, and don't want any responsibility placed on the children themselves either. The government's job is to protect us from foreign invaders and provide for domestic tranquility, I personally, do not believe the government should have to protect people from themselves. If you screw yourself up, I'm sorry for you, but it does not in any way, shape, or form neccessitate help from myself, my family, my friends, or any tax payer in America to help fix your problem or prevent it from happening.

Originally Posted by brogers

I can't believe congress cares about 2 kids who committed suicide after using steroids. I am willing to bet that the suicide rate for teens on steroids is LOWER than the suicide rate of all teens. 2 Kids in what 6 years out of a pretty sizeable number, let's compare that to the suicide rate of the general population.

It is ridiculous to think that the parents of those 2 kids who committed suicide, SUPPOSEDLY because of depression linked to steroids, placed about 90% of the blame on people other than themselves and their kids. I say kids when I believe they were 18 and 19 years old, these aren't 2nd graders who don't know any better. It's tragic they took their own lives, but there was probably a lot more involved than simply taking steroids. The parents are looking for an excuse or a reason their kids committed suicide, because they don't want to think of themselves as failures. MLB is the failure. The government failed, but not them, and not their children.

Originally Posted by DDan16

well, im new to the steroid biz, but im learning. and from what ive learned, steroids dont stimulate natural test, infact they suppress natural test. so the steroids wouldnt trigger the lock of plates, right?

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

There's a heck of a lot more stuff put in them there Steroids than what's in our Man-made Processed foods ....that we R all so encouraged 2 stay the heck away from?

Originally Posted by Mudge

More stuff? Aspirin is aspirin and a binder, testosterone is testosterone, various alcohols (benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate) and a carrier oil. There is nothing more in there they are hiding from you.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Hey Mudge, from what i have viewed on this forum, you are an Honest, Supportive, Positive person around here, and i respect that.

Having said that, my reply in relating Steroids (as processed) and in relevance to the fact that we R all encouraged 2 eat and (take things) for our bodies in the most Natural form as possible, is said 2B best? That's all i was saying.. Now r u Promoting Steroid use in replying there is nothing wrong with taking (asprin) and (testoterone) and (various alchohols) those of which Steroids is made from? If so, what i mean by Natural is... (grown from Mother Earth) not man-made in any way is always Best, and i stand by that. i do respect your Opinion, however, it doesn't mean i have to agree with it?

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Now r u Promoting Steroid use in replying there is nothing wrong with taking (asprin) and (testoterone) and (various alchohols) those of which Steroids is made from?

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

You compared steroids to food. This is a factual, correlative error. Your contention that natural foods are better than processed foods is a matter of subjective opinion and, perhaps, biological-value interpretation.

Steroids used safely and logically offer very serious benefits. I don't understand what your argument is?

Originally Posted by Mudge

No, I would not promote taking such things and I never said that there is or isn't anything wrong with taking either. Aspirin is natural, it comes from white willow tree bark - is it good for you? Yes and no, it was recently linked to pancreatic cancer, mmmmmmmm all natural cancer.

I am in no way offended about your opinion(s). If you aren't interested in using something "unnatural" I dont really view it as a huge deal at all. Its a personal choice, and everyones goals are different. My younger brother wouldn't even take creatine, his choice.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Mudge, thanks for clearing up the "promoting" part...or NON-there of, i should say? Your Respectful and honest approach in stating ur opinions & beliefs without bashing mine is always admired and much appreciated!

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"It's a personal choice, and everyone's goals are different." -- Mudge
i like ur style!

Originally Posted by cfs3

Holy shit. It John H.'s sister.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

If all natural foods were great, as Mudge pointed out, all mushrooms would be edible and good for you. Many can kill you. This is a flaw in your logic, perhaps because you have oversimplified? There are also thousands of plant species, like certain berries, that are fatal or will make one violently ill.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

Just another one of your many demeaning nasty remarks, i'm sure? One thing i know is for sure...i am an Adult and plan 2 act like one.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

did u all hear on the News how more & more teenagers R using Steroids these days? Apparently there is a Steroid Boom sweeping the Nation among teens? They even found a high percentage of 5th & 6th graders taking Steroids!


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If i was their Mama there would be a lot of this... and i'd say, "WTF?" lol.

Originally Posted by cfs3

Would it help if I said that was a compliment?

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

As far as Broggers and Bigger N Stronger go, read my words...."I have nothing against Steroid use. i do believe it is a shame however, if the MEDIA is accurate, in that our TEENS R using Steroids." (big fat period.)

Originally Posted by Flex

That boxer brought that shit on himself, and You are an idiot.

ya, it's REALLY MLB's fault. Barry Bonds went to a dealer, bought steroids, and injected them into kids all over the nation. Get a fuckin' clue. You wanna know why those guys refused to talk about thier use? So they don't get castrated by assholes like you who think steroids made their careers and ruined the lives of kids.

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Chill out, it's just a discussion, I know you're defending it because it's what got you to where you are, but there's no reason to get so angry over
a non-users opinion...

Originally Posted by bullred

man this is better than day time soap. Its to bad that people cant talk about something and not put each other down.

Originally Posted by bullred

man this is better than day time soap. Its to bad that people cant talk about something and not put each other down.

Originally Posted by Missfit4all

OK, which leads me to asking...Do you believe others who have lost limbs, skin breakouts, sterility, and other possible ill-effects from Steriods is simply from Mis-use and and/or abuse of?

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Your Opinions and Beliefs are respected.

Originally Posted by cfs3

After a few hundred times of reading some moron spout off about something that has no basis in fact or about something that simple search of the forums could have answered, you get tired of it.

Originally Posted by Flex

or a few 1,000x's