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Posted by: Ryan-Boro

what is the best steroid for hardening muscles and getting ripped?


Posted by: Ryan-Boro

after doing some research it looks like anavar seems very good for hardening muscles and it seems very safe aswell,not many side-effects


Posted by: Tha Don

fina


Posted by: gococksDJS

steroids don't get you ripped, your diet gets you ripped...


Posted by: The_Man

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
steroids don't get you ripped, your diet gets you ripped...
Not true


Posted by: Ryan-Boro

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Originally Posted by young d
fina
whats the full name for fina?


Posted by: Ryan-Boro

so apart from fina?any1 have anymore suggestions? any1 tried anavar?it seems good,i mite try it with some test


Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro
whats the full name for fina?
fina aka tren (trenbolone acalate? i think)

tren is awesome for cutting, its strong androgenic properties are great for fat-loss and muscle hardening with very little water retention, its also slightly anabolic so will put a bit of muscle on you, sides can be quite harsh though apparently

if you really want to harden/lean up, you can't go wrong with a prop+tren+winny/var stack, if you don't like EOD injections you can use test and tren enan. instead, might hold a little more water from the test though


Posted by: devildog88

So if a steroids goal is to harden a muscle wouldn't it do the same to the heart..........beings it is the hardest working muscle in your body?


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro
whats the full name for fina?
it's trenbolone acetate, which you have to convert to an injectable form.


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by devildog88
So if a steroids goal is to harden a muscle wouldn't it do the same to the heart..........beings it is the hardest working muscle in your body?
no because your heart is a totally different muscle type all together.Basically the body has three different types of muscle tissue, Smooth muscle, called so because it's the only one lacking striations, cardiac muscle, or what forms the contractile wall of your heart, and skeletal muscle. Skeletal muscle is what you inject anabolic steroids into, and skeletal muscles are what control voluntary movement. Growth occurs when a steroid hormone complex stimulates the transcription of mRNA which is translated into a specific protein. Unlike smooth muscles and cardiac muscles, the protein receptors in skeletal muscles interact with some hormones (in this case, anabolic) by means of intercellular reception. This is how hydrophobic molecules pass over the phospholipid bilayer, and steroid hormones are hydrophobic, which is why your skeletal muscles can increase protein uptake with the administration of anabolics but your cardiac and smooth muscles don't.


Posted by: JACKED

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if you really want to harden/lean up, you can't go wrong with a prop+tren+winny/var stack, if you don't like EOD injections you can use test and tren enan. instead, might hold a little more water from the test though
That sounds like a really good stack I gotta a couple of questions. What is an EOD injection?And what is PROP? Also I'm thinking about competing in an untested show and will this be good for a pre-contest cycle? Of course this will be my first AAS stack. I've used PH/PS for quite some time on and off. I'm 6'1" and about 205 and 6-7% BF. Also when you say Winn do you me orals or depot? I also have a fast metabolism but I gain muscle awfully fast. I'm maybe a Ecto/meso more on the meso side.


Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by JACKED
That sounds like a really good stack I gotta a couple of questions. What is an EOD injection?And what is PROP? Also I'm thinking about competing in an untested show and will this be good for a pre-contest cycle? Of course this will be my first AAS stack. I've used PH/PS for quite some time on and off. I'm 6'1" and about 205 and 6-7% BF. Also when you say Winn do you me orals or depot? I also have a fast metabolism but I gain muscle awfully fast. I'm maybe a Ecto/meso more on the meso side.
You need to do WAY more research before you even consider using.


Posted by: devildog88

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
no because your heart is a totally different muscle type all together.Basically the body has three different types of muscle tissue, Smooth muscle, called so because it's the only one lacking striations, cardiac muscle, or what forms the contractile wall of your heart, and skeletal muscle. Skeletal muscle is what you inject anabolic steroids into, and skeletal muscles are what control voluntary movement. Growth occurs when a steroid hormone complex stimulates the transcription of mRNA which is translated into a specific protein. Unlike smooth muscles and cardiac muscles, the protein receptors in skeletal muscles interact with some hormones (in this case, anabolic) by means of intercellular reception. This is how hydrophobic molecules pass over the phospholipid bilayer, and steroid hormones are hydrophobic, which is why your skeletal muscles can increase protein uptake with the administration of anabolics but your cardiac and smooth muscles don't.
Isn't one of the concerns about steriods thickening of the artery walls? I just naturally atributed this to "Hardening of the muscle". Is it that I am mistakening "hardening" with cholesterol buildup????


Posted by: kraziplaya

are you experienced with cycling at all? it seems you have an awful lot of very basic questions...if you are inexperienced you shouldnt be running tren or stacking...you can still cut with test alone


Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by JACKED
That sounds like a really good stack I gotta a couple of questions. What is an EOD injection?And what is PROP? Also I'm thinking about competing in an untested show and will this be good for a pre-contest cycle? Of course this will be my first AAS stack. I've used PH/PS for quite some time on and off. I'm 6'1" and about 205 and 6-7% BF. Also when you say Winn do you me orals or depot? I also have a fast metabolism but I gain muscle awfully fast. I'm maybe a Ecto/meso more on the meso side.
EOD inj. = every other day

prop. = test propinate (short half-life, hence less water retention than longer test esters such as enan, sust or cyp)

yes it would be a good pre-contest cycle

you can do either injectable or oral, mainly comes down to personal preference, injectible is slightly more efficient and less stress on the liver, but results won't differ that much

i do agree with musclespump that it would be a good idea to do some more research before running a cycle like this, www.steroid.com is a pretty good place to start


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by devildog88
Isn't one of the concerns about steriods thickening of the artery walls? I just naturally atributed this to "Hardening of the muscle". Is it that I am mistakening "hardening" with cholesterol buildup????
This could be thought of as a concern by some people, but a concern with skydiving is that your chute doesn't open. Steroids will not have an anabolic effect on cardiac muscle if that's what your asking. Unlike skeletal muscles, cardiac muscle contraction is involuntary, meaning you don't have to consciously send a signal from your central nervous system to your cardiac muscles to make your heart beat, they just beat, due to a system of branched conductive nerves. Which also means that unlike skeletal muscles, cardiac muscles do not require extrinsic hormonal stimulation, so anabolic steroids do not promote the storage of protein within cardiac muscle tissue as they do in skeletal muscle tissue.


Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by devildog88
Isn't one of the concerns about steriods thickening of the artery walls? I just naturally atributed this to "Hardening of the muscle". Is it that I am mistakening "hardening" with cholesterol buildup????
Cholestrol buildup is what you are thinking of. When HDL hits the floor (winstrol, accutane), LDL is left to roam free and do all the damage it wants. Its called arterial wall plaque.


Posted by: JACKED

I actually have done a decent amount of research as i'm 29 years old and been around bbing and aas for over 10 years. I've just never used nor tried any specific Stacks. I also wasn't familiar with the "board lingo" i.e. EOD, or prop. I assure you I won't put anything in my body before I know exactly what it will do. Thank you all for the useful info and I will do more research as that stack seems to be a bit advanced for me. Would you fellas say that a Test/winny/primo stack be too much for me or even after research would anyone suggest I start out very small i.e. one androgen only (like the old school)? I am open to suggestions and advice.


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by JACKED
I actually have done a decent amount of research as i'm 29 years old and been around bbing and aas for over 10 years. I've just never used nor tried any specific Stacks. I also wasn't familiar with the "board lingo" i.e. EOD, or prop. I assure you I won't put anything in my body before I know exactly what it will do. Thank you all for the useful info and I will do more research as that stack seems to be a bit advanced for me. Would you fellas say that a Test/winny/primo stack be too much for me or even after research would anyone suggest I start out very small i.e. one androgen only (like the old school)? I am open to suggestions and advice.
If you have never run a cycle before, a common suggestion is just a simple 10 week test cycle, either cypionate or enanthate would do fine. 2 shots a week, 250mg's per shot, so 500mg/week, and if you wanted you could throw in 25mg dbol everyday for the first 4 weeks to kickstart the cycle.


Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by devildog88
So if a steroids goal is to harden a muscle wouldn't it do the same to the heart..........beings it is the hardest working muscle in your body?
The hardening effect comes from reduced cellular hydration.

Diet is what gets you ripped, as said above.


Posted by: JACKED

The hardening effect comes from reduced cellular hydration.

Thanks fellas thats good info. Diet has never been a problem for me as i've won a few local "natural" shows and stay relatively lean. I'm more interested in the I guess one would say the "hard" look. Would reduced cellular hydration come from say a "peaking" method i.e. sodium loading and hyperhydration/dehydration? Coupled possibly with a mild diuretic?


Posted by: MillerMan

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS
If you have never run a cycle before, a common suggestion is just a simple 10 week test cycle, either cypionate or enanthate would do fine. 2 shots a week, 250mg's per shot, so 500mg/week, and if you wanted you could throw in 25mg dbol everyday for the first 4 weeks to kickstart the cycle.
What would you have to use post cycle...I don't know much about steroids I just wanted to know what a typical post cycle for a 10 week test cycle would be.


Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by MillerMan
What would you have to use post cycle...I don't know much about steroids I just wanted to know what a typical post cycle for a 10 week test cycle would be.
IMO nolvadex is the best for PCT, and you would want to start it around 10-12 days after your last injection.


Posted by: BrassBolt

I have found that with tren and the amounts that you use effects your cardio . If in fact you use 100mg ED as I have you will be hard bent to do cardio . EOD 50 mg for a start , along with anavar , winny , EQ , T400 . This is my cutting cycle .



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