Originally Posted by devildog88

Deep squats are way overrated! Anything past parrallel do more damage than good!

Originally Posted by devildog88

Deep squats are way overrated! Anything past parrallel do more damage than good!

Originally Posted by vegman

What are the benifits of going lower than parallel?

Originally Posted by devildog88

Squating below parrallel puts the patella tendon in a bad position. It becomes bound by the patella itself. Squating is a natural position granted but not with twice, three times or even four times your body weight. It is truely hard on your knees. Football teams have quit full squats all together. Box squats, just above parrallel are just as benificial in most all applications.

Originally Posted by devildog88

Squating below parrallel puts the patella tendon in a bad position. It becomes bound by the patella itself. Squating is a natural position granted but not with twice, three times or even four times your body weight. It is truely hard on your knees. Football teams have quit full squats all together. Box squats, just above parrallel are just as benificial in most all applications.

Originally Posted by rocco32

ATF squats are MUCH better than parrellel.

Originally Posted by vegman

I agree.


How are they much better?

Originally Posted by Rocco32

Have you not read the thread?

Originally Posted by P-funk

box squats above parallel are beneficial because more often than not people are working on that lock out power.

you can't find one studt in a peer reveiwed journal that will back up what you said about the patella tendon. Quite the opposite actually. Most studies will say that squating below parallel can lead to a strengthening of the patella tendon through that ROM.

Originally Posted by devildog88

Deep squats are way overrated! Anything past parrallel do more damage than good!

Originally Posted by devildog88

. I have seen to many young men end their career as football players trying to do deep squats.

Originally Posted by P-funk

b) squatting and snowbaording are tow ocmpletely differnet things. I mean, squatting for one is a stationary exercise. Snowbaording there is a lot of enrgy transfer, body movement and hip movement. One wuick turn and you can tear and acl or if you come of a jump really hard you can blow something out, the force of gravity can really put some pressure on your meniscus if you lock out and then twist even slightly. Snowbaording is much more dynamic.

Originally Posted by Jay334

Acording to this page full squats place greater stress on the knees.

Originally Posted by KarlW

It doesn't really say that. It says, which is well known, that you shouldn't bounce off the bottom.

Originally Posted by P-funk

Originally Posted by P-funk

Originally Posted by KarlW

It doesn't really say that. It says, which is well known, that you shouldn't bounce off the bottom.

Originally Posted by Jay334

Maybe you missed this part:

Originally Posted by KarlW

In context:

"It is not necessary to avoid the torque force if the muscles and joint structures can adapt.Certainly, if an individual has had a history of knee pain associated with these types of movements, the squat can be modified to to place more torque on the hip and consequently less on the knee joint. Based on the above analysis, this can be accomplished two ways. Simply by not squatting down all the way (e.g. 90°) both the knees and hip do not experience as great of torque forces."

Of course, if one experiences pain in any exercise one should stop and examine things.

Originally Posted by devildog88

Now, I will not let my kids do full squats because it is not a sport specific.

Originally Posted by Jay334

I didnt say deep squat isn't safe, I said it puts more stress on the knees, i.e exposes the knees and hips to greater troque forces. That's what the article says too (and it's an article defending squats as safe). It says it's safe if your joints are healthy and you use proper form. But if your knees are not healthy or you want less risk of injury not going below 90º is a good idea. Personally, I think squats in general are tough on the knees so I'd rather keep that stress to a minimum.

Originally Posted by devildog88

Perhaps it was just that I work with mainly highschool age kids. In my earlier statement I said that I have seen too many careers end with deep squats. Let me clarify: I have had kids that end their time with an ACL or MCL injury. This is a pretty typical injury, but since I have been a head coach we have had none. Now, I will not let my kids do full squats because it is not a sport specific. Is this the reason that we haven't had any knee injuries?????????? probably not! But I am staying with what has worked for us to this point. Very rarely in football are you sitting on your haunches, if you are then you got your ass kicked. A deep squat may have a place in Body Building.........I will openly admit that I don't have the expertise to tell people not to do them.

Originally Posted by KarlW

typing fast huh?

Originally Posted by KarlW

Still, you'd have to be pretty bloody sloppy to sustain these injuries WHILE squatting, I think a back injury is more likely. My guess is the anti-deep squatters are more worried about the long term effects on the knees.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I thought that is what I was pointing out?? what are you trying to say? I am agreeing with you.

Originally Posted by KarlW

I'm trying to say that................................I'm tired and need to go to bed.

Originally Posted by KarlW

Still, you'd have to be pretty bloody sloppy to sustain these injuries WHILE squatting, I think a back injury is more likely. My guess is the anti-deep squatters are more worried about the long term effects on the knees.

Originally Posted by P-funk

wraps can be dangerous as the lock the patella down so hard into the socket causing a greater amount of sheer force at the knee.

Originally Posted by Uzi9

I fucked my knee ligament up from squating to deep, wasnt heavy and form wasnt bad, also i didnt go any where near faliure..

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

CRASHMAN

Aren't you into MMA? If so, deep squatting is a must.

Originally Posted by devildog88

I disagree. I have seen to many young men end their career as football players trying to do deep squats.