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Posted by: Uzi9

Some one told me you can do an oral only cycle of 30mg dbol and 40mg of winny ED for 6 weeks... what you guys think?

Posted by: Uzi9

Arnold only did d-bol during his younger years right..

Posted by: LAM

you can use anything you want in a cycle but it doesn't mean it's a good cycle to do. dbol and winstrol ? one of the worst cycles I've ever heard of. there is no synergistic effect with that combo.

Posted by: Mudge

Winny is hell on the lipids so I wont use it. For 6 weeks your liver might be all right, but I have found some large disparity with livers. I have tested high at one point, and I've found people that have used more and tested normal, and I've found someone who was running almost nothing and tested 4x over normal.

2 orals is generally a no-no though unless you are pretty religious about testing and know your body, which is to say that NOBODY runs two methylated orals at a time outside of a competitor who is willing to take risks.

Posted by: Uzi9

Ok cheers guys, but what if you was going to run 2 steriod orals, what 2 whould you pick? and how much? (I want d-bol to be 1 of them)

Posted by: Mudge

I would never do that.

Posted by: Uzi9

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I would never do that.

I know its not what you would do but i dont want to inject, people take m1t when they could do test injections for 3 times longer..

I am just asking what oral only cycle would you say is the best that can be done for building muscle. (not overly dangerous i.e. 100mg of d-bol

)...?

Posted by: Mudge

Why would you run half doses? You probably wouldn't. So stick to a full dose of a single oral, 25-30mg of dbol. I dont know your bodyweight, but I still dont go above 25mg of dbol.

My liver values were about 25% over the norm on 200mg of anadrol daily and 60mg of accutane weekly. So now I wont run over 100mg of anadrol per day anymore, and I am currently - thankfully off the accutane.

If you run orals you take a risk, stacking two of them is pushing the envelope. Unless you are doing blood work I would advise that you stick to what we know is safe unless you have a genetic predisposition to having a problem, and some do.

But they are your organs, not mine.

For me generally speaking sides go up drastically with high doses, with minimal returns that are better than a lower dose. So no matter what you do you are basically looking at something that is going to take a long time regardless. Most of the pros start very young, thats just how it is. So no I dont think 100mg of dbol ED would be a good idea neccessarily, especially for a first cycle. But looking for shortcuts by stacking two orals is asking for trouble. You are going to obliterate your internal organs but you are needle-phobic? You are going to have a lot worse to worry about under someones knife, wondering if they can get you that liver and kidneys, and wondering if it will be rejected by your body or not.

Posted by: Uzi9

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Why would you run half doses? You probably wouldn't. So stick to a full dose of a single oral, 25-30mg of dbol. I dont know your bodyweight, but I still dont go above 25mg of dbol.

I am 180lbs 8-9% bf, I will do d-bol only then for 25mg ED, do you think 6 weeks is the max i should use it for?

Posted by: Uzi9

Also for PCT i was thinking of 20mg nolvadex for 4 weeks, but as i am not injecting when should i drop my first nolva..i.e. how long does it take for d-bol to get out the system?

Posted by: Mudge

6 weeks sounds fine. As for PCT, it has little to nothing to do with what its active HL or detection times are. Otherwise we'd be doing year long PCT for deca cycles. When you start your PCT on the other hand will be different.

Posted by: Uzi9

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Originally Posted by Mudge

6 weeks sounds fine. As for PCT, it has little to nothing to do with what its active HL or detection times are. Otherwise we'd be doing year long PCT for deca cycles. When you start your PCT on the other hand will be different.

Yes thats what i meant, when should i start my PCT on a 6week d-bol cycle and for how long?

cheers

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by Uzi9

i dont want to inject

forget about steroids then, really.. what is the point? oral only cycles suck

Posted by: Uzi9

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Originally Posted by young d

forget about steroids then, really.. what is the point? oral only cycles suck

Then M1t is useless? also arnold used only d-bol while he was young. The gains people get off d-bol dont suck.... but the gains of 500mg ew test and 25 mg ed d-bol is better.

Posted by: Sherpa

I would never recommend an oral only cycle like this, but your going to do what your gonna do. I have a friend who just ran a 6 week dbol only cycle. This guy shouldnt have been running anything, but insisted on it, and someone sold him some overpriced dbol.

I think it helped him get his diet down good, and get some more motivation in the gym. Now he works out regularly and eats right. So at least he got that out of it.

He is one week into pct. He ran 40mg dbol on days that he worked out, and 30mg on off days for 6 weeks. He gained 17.2 pounds, and his rep weight is up 35 pounds, max is up more than that. "this guy could not bench his own body weight when he started". I'm waiting to see how much of the stregnth / weight that he keeps. I'll be suprised if he keeps half of his gains.

For pct. You need to run more than 20mg / day. Run 60mg/day for one week, 40mg/ day for 2 weeks, then 20mg / day for a couple more weeks.

Posted by: Uzi9

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Originally Posted by young d

forget about steroids then, really.. what is the point? oral only cycles suck

Also then if an orals only cycle sucked then while your jacking up and waiting for the 2 weeks or so for it to kick in then why take a drug(d-bol) you say sucks, as it is used for the first 3 weeks to kick start your gains.. (as the jabs wont be working yet so in essence you will be on an oral only)

So I have been told...

Posted by: Mags

Dbol doesn't suck, it just sucks on it's own. Dbol, makes a good protein sysnthesis environment in the body and increases strength. The gains you would make from Dbol would mostly be water weight and it's hard to keep any gains that you'd make on Dbol alone, Nolva/HCG etc or not. You don't want to run it for longer than 6 weeks either as the others have already told ya, it's a 17aa and liver toxic. Dbol is usually best to kickstart an injectible cycle for the first 3-4 wks till the blood concentration from the injectible starts taking effect. My mate did Dbol for 10 wks, I warned him of the dangers and how he was stupid, but he made good gains in size ( again mostly water) and strength, but hasn't kept much of it. As 'D' mentioned above ( and what everyone else told me when I first got here and was an 'oral only' type guy), if you're not ready to inject, you're not ready for anabolic steroids. Okay, so shooting seems extreme at first, but when you research enough, talk to experienced guys on here and know it's safer than orals, it really isn't that bad. Good luck

Posted by: Uzi9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

Dbol doesn't suck, it just sucks on it's own. Dbol, makes a good protein sysnthesis environment in the body and increases strength. The gains you would make from Dbol would mostly be water weight and it's hard to keep any gains that you'd make on Dbol alone, Nolva/HCG etc or not. You don't want to run it for longer than 6 weeks either as the others have already told ya, it's a 17aa and liver toxic. Dbol is usually best to kickstart an injectible cycle for the first 3-4 wks till the blood concentration from the injectible starts taking effect. My mate did Dbol for 10 wks, I warned him of the dangers and how he was stupid, but he made good gains in size ( again mostly water) and strength, but hasn't kept much of it. As 'D' mentioned above ( and what everyone else told me when I first got here and was an 'oral only' type guy), if you're not ready to inject, you're not ready for anabolic steroids. Okay, so shooting seems extreme at first, but when you research enough, talk to experienced guys on here and know it's safer than orals, it really isn't that bad. Good luck

Thanks for the reply,

Ok so i know you shouold inject test eth twice per week but if i have to jack up i would only really wanna inject once a week, what testosterone should i use to jab just once a week for best results in terms of muscle/strenght gain.

Posted by: Uzi9

Also as M1t is test then if you lower the dose of d-bol (so not to much liver damage) then could you use that as a cycle i.e.

10mg M1t ED
20mg d-bol ED

for six weeks

Posted by: Mags

There have been a few posts/threads on here where people have run Dbol etc as a supplement, running lower doses (think like 10mg ED or something) for longer (11 wks was one example with weekends off etc), which apparently can give good gains (as far a supplements produce, not steroids that are usually stacked and at higher dosages) so I imagine it all depends on how good you body utilisises smaller dosages of Dbol and how much of the gain it can keep to see if it's worth doing or not. M1T is a steroid indeed but only similar (again, this is only what I think, may be wrong) to the power of primo etc, so although a steroid, it won't produce effects like say anadrol or sustanon etc. You seem to be like me, trained, used creatine etc, then dabbled with PHs/1tests etc (that the majority are orals) and now fancy the next step into anabolic steroids but want to stay within the comfort of orals. To be honest, if you're going to do steroids, you may as well go the whole hog (be careful and research loads first still) and do proper drugs at proper dosages for the proper durations, including PCT etc. Injecting does, unfortunately for the guys like us, seem to be the only real way of doing AS's safely and most effectively.

Posted by: Sherpa

dont run two orals together. Your liver will thank you later. Go to spotinjections.com, do some research all around, get you diet down, and look into getting some test later down the road. To answer you question as to which test would be best to inject only once a week. That would have to be Test cyp.

Although with injecting your trying to keep the levels of what your injecting stable in your body. So with test eth, and cyp its best to inject twice a week with 3.5 days in between injections. So your test levels stay as stable as possible. So if you were to write your daily test levels down on a chart it doesnt look like a roller coaster. and looks more like a straight line.

Posted by: gococksDJS

Injections are not nearly as painful as everyone thinks they are. Once you pin the first time, it will be easy as hell after that. Test enanthate and cypionate are better injected in 2 250mg doses per week as opposed to 1 500mg IMO.

Posted by: Mudge

Shit injections aren't painfull at all. Now AFTER the injection depending on the gear there may be an issue, but enanthate is so easy to suspend that you dont need much in the way of BA/BB at all.

Posted by: Mags

Is it worth only shooting 400mg a wk of test. cyp or is it best 500mg or over?

Posted by: Mudge

400 is still a fair amount, especially if you are under 200 pounds or so.

Posted by: Mags

i'm 6ft, 211 lbs and am a first timer. I know it's no real effort to mix up 500mg, but I can pick up 2x10ml vials 200mg/ml instead of 250mg/ml. Is it worth doing that, or looking elsewhere for 250mg/ml or simply buy another 10ml vial? The cycle i'm intending to do would be over ten weeks. Thanks

Posted by: Sherpa

Its worth running 400mg. If you can easliy pick up another 10ml of 200mg /ml running 500mg would be better, but you'll see gains with 400mg /wk.

Posted by: Mudge

400 is fine IMO, I haven't run more than 500 in awhile even in the 260s.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

i'm 6ft, 211 lbs and am a first timer. I know it's no real effort to mix up 500mg, but I can pick up 2x10ml vials 200mg/ml instead of 250mg/ml. Is it worth doing that, or looking elsewhere for 250mg/ml or simply buy another 10ml vial? The cycle i'm intending to do would be over ten weeks. Thanks

i'd go with the 500 man!

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