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Originally Posted by CancerNV
You do realise he was on a MASSIVE amount of steroids right? Its not really overtraining when your pumping roids into you all day long.
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Originally Posted by nikegurl
the idea of posting arnold's workout and then asking about the "average guy" right after it is almost silly. he wasn't average by any stretch (genetics, training, drugs).
why do people try to compare one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time to the average trainee? |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
I'm sure highschool quaterbacks or running backs try to mirror the Michael Vicks and Emmit Smith's.
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Originally Posted by MLevins
Incline bench press 6 x 6-10
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Originally Posted by nikegurl
the idea of posting arnold's workout and then asking about the "average guy" right after it is almost silly. he wasn't average by any stretch (genetics, training, drugs).
why do people try to compare one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time to the average trainee? |
I think that workout routine posted is a little exagerated, to further the "Arnold was god" mindframe that the Weiders continue to promote. Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney never did that kind of insane routine, and both of them are (or were in the case of Haney) much better than Arnold even on his best day. 
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Originally Posted by MLevins
I found this routine that Arnold did, and wonder if an average guy could do it for about 8 weeks or would it be serious overtraining?
MON/WED/FRI CHEST: Bench press 5 x 6-10 Flat bench flyes 5 x 6-10 Incline bench press 6 x 6-10 Cable crossovers 6 x 10-12 Dips (body weight) 5 x failure Dumbell pullovers 5 x 10-12 BACK: Wide-grip chins (to front) 6 x failure T-bar rows 5 x 6-10 Seated pulley rows 6 x 6-10 One-arm dumbell rows 5 x 6-10 Straight-leg deadlifts 6 x 15 LEGS: Squats 6 x 8-12 Leg press 6 x 8-12 Leg extensions 6 x 12-15 Leg curls 6 x 10-12 Barbell lunges 5 x 15 CALVES: Standing calf raises 10 x 10 Seated calf raises 8 x 15 Oneplegged calf raises (holding dumbells) 6x12 FOREARMS: Wrist curls (forearms on knees) 4 x 10 Reverse barbell curls 4 x 8 Wright roller machine Until Failure TUES/THURS/SAT: BICEPS: Barbell curls 6 x 6-10 Seated dumbell curls 6 x 6-10 Dumbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10 TRICEPS: Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10 Pushdowns 6 x 6-10 French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10 One-arm triceps extensions (dumbell) 6 x 6-10 SHOULDERS: Seated barbell presses 6 x 6-10 Lateral raises (standing) 6 x 6-10 Rear-delt lateral raises 5 x 6-10 Cable lateral raises 5 x 10-12 CALVES & FOREARMS: Same as Monday, Wednesday, Friday workout ABS: Same as Monday, Wednesday, Friday workout |
Actually what i feel is Arnold was 15 when he started training so he utilized that high natural hormone level to its max. We might thik he was heavily on steroids but i dont that was the case. As stated by him in "Raw Iron" making of pumping iron he stated that BBs is those days used to experiment with steroids and openly admitted taking Anabol etc, I bet BBs these days use roids much more than that time. Nevertheless, i dont know what is hampering my progress, i am 30 and have started lifting after years. i do feel that my body is not very responsive as it used to be when i was 22-24. 
Previously i used to follow the same schedule i posted earlier and made good gains but now things are totally different. Not that i get tired doing long routines but my progress is not that satisfactory. I will soon try the 5 x 5s or 3 x 5s and train 3 times a week with mild cardio in between rest days. |
Originally Posted by Prince
Arnold used high volume training hitting each bodypart twice per week, not many can handle that, also he was not natural, so using his routine or copying any bodybuilder that is using gear is not a good idea.
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Originally Posted by nikegurl
the idea of posting arnold's workout and then asking about the "average guy" right after it is almost silly. he wasn't average by any stretch (genetics, training, drugs).
why do people try to compare one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time to the average trainee? |
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Originally Posted by Built
Rockfella, what specifically is the problem - is it that your lifts aren't going up, or that you aren't gaining weight, or both?
If you're gaining weight but your lifts aren't going up, if you're not packing on fat don't worry about it. If you're gaining weight but your lifts aren't going up and you're getting fatter, you may need a break and then a different training plan - or you may need to drop a little fat, stabilize, and then resume your bulk (you won't partition well if you're too juicy). If you're not gaining weight - this one's easy: eat more. |
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Originally Posted by Flex
Don'tcha mean Tom Bradys and Walter Paytons?
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Originally Posted by Built
Please keep in mind that Arnold was notorious for lying about how he actually trained.
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Originally Posted by Built
I'm lucky with abs.
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Originally Posted by Built
Please keep in mind that Arnold was notorious for lying about how he actually trained.
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Originally Posted by Prince
what I said came directly from (in person) one of ex-training partners, who happens to be Tom Platz.
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Originally Posted by Built
Please keep in mind that Arnold was notorious for lying about how he actually trained.
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Originally Posted by chobby192
Cut the crap, Built. I don't believe in luck. I think luck is invented to fool lazy people who does nothing and sit there hoping to get lucky. I think you worked very hard for that abs. It is the result of your hard word.
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Originally Posted by T_man
Remember, Arnold's life was BB.
He had immaculate nutrition. He juiced up like most competitors. And his genes... well, look at him. |
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Originally Posted by Prince
what I said came directly from (in person) one of ex-training partners, who happens to be Tom Platz.
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Originally Posted by Built
It would appear that Arnold ignored Platz' advice when training legs!
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Originally Posted by Built
It would appear that Arnold ignored Platz' advice when training legs!
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Originally Posted by chobby192
Cut the crap, Built. I don't believe in luck. I think luck is invented to fool lazy people who does nothing and sit there hoping to get lucky. I think you worked very hard for that abs. It is the result of your hard word.
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
I used a workout from the Arnold book Encyclopedia of a BBer, and it was way over kill....I didn't recover from any workout the entire time I did it, and it lasted about a month before I gave up before I injured myself. I benefited from taking bits a peices of it for instance his ab training, doing chins and dips, and training your weaker lifts first in your workouts.
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Originally Posted by rahaas
My .02
According to Darden's HIT book Arny couldn't keep up with the HIT training which was no were near as much volume as the routine mentioned in the first post. Pretty obvious that he didn't (or couldn't) train nearly as hard as he led people to believe. Being the smart guy he was he probably figured that by telling people he did much more than he did they'd overtrain and never reach their full potential. What better way to stay ahead of everybody else? |
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Originally Posted by Merkaba
Actually "luck" exists very much in the BB world when it comes to physique. Look at abs, calves, symmety, etc.
As far Arnold. he was a freak and was boosting so its a moot argument and not worth a 4 year bump. |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
Rockfella - If I recall correctly the workout in there is 1 body part per day, and its doing splits everyday, 6 days a week.
I suppose if you really want to give it a shot you can follow what he does, and when he does it, but I would lower the volume of sets to avoid getting burned out fast, and give you time to recover. I think the workout listed in that book I mentioned was his prep for Mr.O. So at the time I was a young kid like 17-18 and it didn't benefit me a bit doing that type of workout/split. At the time I was a competitive powerlifter so it is not like I was ignorant to a harsh workout. |