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Young D's First AAS Cycle

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Posted by: Tha Don

My Cycle

weeks 1-4: Dbol 30mg/ed
weeks 1-10: Test Enth 500mg/wk
weeks 5-12: Hcg 500iu/e5d
weeks 13-16: Nolva. day1: 60mg, day2-14: 40mg, day15-30: 20mg

cycle is due to begin this wednesday (17/05/05)

My Routine

right, thought i'd post up a little info on my current routine, i plan to stick with this routine over the first few weeks of the course while everything kicks in, after this period i 'might' switch up the frequency, but this is the routine i will be following to start with:

M-Chest/Abs
T-Lats/Traps/FArms
W-Rest or Light Cardio
T-Delts/Bis/Tris
F-Rest or Light Cardio
S-Quads/Calves/Abs
S-Rest

i'll be lifting with a reasonable amount of volume, roughly 3-4 exercises per bodypart (apart from calves, abs and forearms), and roughly 3-4 sets per excercise, workouts generally last around the 1 hour mark

My Lifts

my current lifts are as follows:

Flat BB Bench: 7x100kg
BB Rows: 8x80kg
Deadlift: 5x120kg (need some new straps for these, as my grip goes way before my back)
DB Shoulder Press: 6x25kg
Barbell Curl: 7x40kg
GC Bench: 6x80kg
Squat:10x80kg

Posted by: celt

Good thinkin!! Ill have to steal your idea

good luck on the cycle bro, youll turn green and start burstin through your cloths

lol . keep us updated!

Posted by: Stu

Did you get some other dbol, or have you still got the same stuff?

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

i've decided to start a journal of my first cycle

i'll be running the following..
dbol 30mg/ed for 4-6 weeks
test enth 500mg/wk for 8-10 weeks

cycle should begin this wednesday (17/05/05)

i'll keep recordings of my weight, BF%, routine, diet, major lifts, BP, any side effects i experience... basically everything that happens is going in this thread as it happens!

D.

Ill be doin EXACTLY what youre doin in less than a month. You running any AI, T3, or HCG on cycle?

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu

Did you get some other dbol, or have you still got the same stuff?

dbol will be arriving weds, hence thats when i'll be starting the cycle (i've given up on the other stuff, day 7 today and still nothing, i'm convinced that its fake, i guess we'll find out for sure when i start the new stuff)

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Ill be doin EXACTLY what youre doin in less than a month. You running any AI, T3, or HCG on cycle?

yes i've got some HCG back home which i'll be starting around week 3-4, and i'll probably run 500iu every 4-5 days from then on for the rest of the cycle

not gonna bother with any T3 this time, i'll try and keep a couple of cardio sessions in there along with my lifting, and keep the eating as clean as possible

i have both letro and nolva tabs on hand incase gyno shows up or i get some serious edema, hopefully neither will be a problem and i won't need any AI's on cycle, but i have them there just incase

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by celt

Good thinkin!! Ill have to steal your idea

good luck on the cycle bro, youll turn green and start burstin through your cloths

lol . keep us updated!

thanks for the support bro, its good to see you here!

Posted by: Cardinal

I'll be following. Best of luck. I am starting cycle II either tomorrow or Wednesday. Oh scratch that. I started this evening.

Posted by: redspy

Good luck Young D. You've done your research obviously. The one thing I would add is that 8 weeks too short for Test E, blood levels will take 3-4 weeks to peak so you'll be selling yourself short if you run with 8 weeks.

Running just 500mg of Test you shouldn't need an AI (fingers crossed). You've got the Nolva in case of gyno so you're set.

Just one final point, don't forget that test can reduce connective tissue strength so don't go too crazy on the weights, particularly the shoulders.

Keep us posted!

Posted by: LW83

G'luck YD. I hope you get the outcome you want.

Posted by: Flex

Welcome to the darkside of the force

Together we can rule the bodybuilding galaxy as Flexer and Young. (...father and son haha)

Good luck, bro.
You have any questions, you know where to come.
Now you're gonna see why pros take it to another level (damn i'm jealous of ya haha)

LIGHT WEIGHT!

FLEX

Posted by: LW83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

Welcome to the darkside of the force

FLEX

Posted by: tryintogetbig

I will be following along also, good luck

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I'll be following. Best of luck. I am starting cycle II either tomorrow or Wednesday. Oh scratch that. I started this evening.

thanks for your support, best of luck to you also!

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Good luck Young D. You've done your research obviously. The one thing I would add is that 8 weeks too short for Test E, blood levels will take 3-4 weeks to peak so you'll be selling yourself short if you run with 8 weeks.

Running just 500mg of Test you shouldn't need an AI (fingers crossed). You've got the Nolva in case of gyno so you're set.

Just one final point, don't forget that test can reduce connective tissue strength so don't go too crazy on the weights, particularly the shoulders.

Keep us posted!

thanks redspy, i apprciate the knowledge, all of that has been taken in

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by LW83

G'luck YD. I hope you get the outcome you want.

thanks for your support Luke, no doubt i'll be hitting you up on aim for some more of those links when the test kicks in

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

Welcome to the darkside of the force

Flexer and Young!

thanks for all the support flex, i can't wait to get started now, its finally time to pack on some good ole' natural muscle

yeeeeaaap!

Posted by: 19-chief

welcome and good luck.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

I will be following along also, good luck

thanks! should be an interesting 3 months

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

welcome and good luck.

thanks chief!

Posted by: Arrhar!!

D-balls...yum...

Posted by: Tom84

Good luck bro, Hope this one works out for you properly, damn fakes. You gonna keep a cycle log btw obviously i'l be following anyway but will be an interesting read if you decide to.

Take it easy

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom84

Good luck bro, Hope this one works out for you properly, damn fakes. You gonna keep a cycle log btw obviously i'l be following anyway but will be an interesting read if you decide to.

Take it easy

thanks Tom, yeah this is it! everything is gonna be logged in here (weight, BF%, lifts, side effects, blood pressure and so on) should be an insightful and interesting read

Posted by: soxmuscle

I hate to sound like a jackass but why are you jumping into AAS before actually putting on some natural size?

Posted by: LW83

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

thanks for your support Luke, no doubt i'll be hitting you up on aim for some more of those links when the test kicks in

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I hate to sound like a jackass but why are you jumping into AAS before actually putting on some natural size?

when i started lifting i was 9.5stone, which converts to around 130lbs (i was SKINNY), i am now around the 190lbs mark, thats a gain of 60lbs over the 5 years i have been lifting... how much more natural size do you expect me to put on???

over the past year or so i have totally plateaued, been stuck around the same weight for a very long time! "well then you need to eat more!" i hear you cry? i have tried eating more and i just get fatter!, i went from 10% last october to almoast 17% a month ago, and now i'm back down to around the 15% mark, i can't put on any more natural muscle without either getting very fat, or settling for gains of say 0.5-1lb a month (which considering the amount of time, money and effort i put into BBing is totally not worth it!) it is VERY fustrating! i want to get bigger, i know i can put on a good 20-30lbs over the next 3 months with anabolic support (compared to say 2-3lbs naturally), so IMO i'd be stupid not to start jucing! i feel that i've been ready to juice for a while now and i'm not holding back anymore, from now on i'm jucing until i have the body that i want (about 210lbs, 8-9% BF), naturally those sorts of stats are totally unattainable for me! (but hopefully sustainable)

Posted by: soxmuscle

...and you've tried changing routines slash style of training, diet, etc?

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I hate to sound like a jackass but why are you jumping into AAS before actually putting on some natural size?

Young D - how old are ya?

Posted by: Tha Don

Stats

Weight: 191.4lbs (86.7kg)
BF%: 15%
Height: 6"2
Biceps: 15.2

*all readings will be taken upon waking up, before breakfast

first day today, woke up real early for some reason

, just taken my first dbol dose (10mg), will be attempting my first shot in about an hour or so, i'm really excited about it and pretty nervous about it too, i'm gonna be using an 18g to draw, 21g (1.5inch) to jab, a little on the large side.. but flex wheeler used a 15g for his first shot! so it could be a LOT worse! i'll be going into my right glute for this one, and i pray that it all goes smoothly!

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Young D - how old are ya?

Posted by: LW83

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

You were supposed to say '15'

Posted by: Tha Don

boy was i shakin!!!

just done my first injection into my right glute, was a bit rushed and shakey but i got the stuff in me (well most of it!), thats the main thing

i went about 1/2-2/3 of the way in with the needle (i know i should have gone a little deeper but i pretty sure it was far enough in there to reach my glutes), tried to aspirate, but i couldn't see too good, not sure if i pulled it back enough? but i saw no blood, so after that i started pressing the plunger in, did it nice a slowly although like i said i was shaking around a bit, and i thought i'd put it all in, so i pulled out, once i pulled out i realised there was a little bit left in there, like i'm guessing about 200mg of oil (2/10ths of the 1ml) it was only about 4 drops when i squirted the rest out and i decided that i wasn't gonna bother going back in.. just ensure that next time the plunger is all the way in, i figured i'd still get a good 200mg of test en. from that shot which is plenty for me

i'm in no real pain which is cool, a little stiffness but nothing unbearable which is a lot better than i thought, a fair bit of blood came out but after about 3-4 tissues it had stopped (i'm told this is common), the area around the injection is a little red now but i guess that is also expected, if i had hit a vien or not gone IM then i would know about it right?

anyways i did my first shot, and this is coming from someone who is totally needle phobic! my heart did melt when the pin went in but i'm sure it won't be as bad next time, actually i'm already looking forward to my next shot so i can do a better job of it

Posted by: celt

Great to hear ya got through it all okay d!!!!

1st is always the worst, it gets easier from here!

Posted by: redspy

Good deal YD. For glute shots a 23g 1.5" is fine, a larger pin has the potential to create more scar tissue. When doing glute shots I use a mirror so I can see the syringe while aspirating. I'd also recommend you insert the entire length of the pin, if don't inject deep enough you could be in trouble.

Taking a shower prior to shot will loosen up the muscle and will help reduce pain on the proceeding days. Also massage the inject site for 3-4 minutes to help disipate the oil.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Congratulations on the first injection and everything, but I can't say I support your usage considering you look no bigger than a skinny high schooler.

Posted by: celt

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Congratulations on the first injection and everything, but I can't say I support your usage considering you look no bigger than a skinny high schooler.

dont let the door hit ya on the way out

Posted by: Stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by celt

dont let the door hit ya on the way out

lol

Nice work on the first injection, what Test E did you get?

Posted by: soxmuscle

Haha, I'll still be following.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

you look no bigger than a skinny high schooler.

i know, thats why i'm taking the steroids dipshit!

look i kept my cool after your first post and gave you an honest answer to your question, but now you are just being a total ass, so don't bother posting anything else in here, you obviously no nothing about AS and nothing about myself so your lame comments are totally pointless

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Good deal YD. For glute shots a 23g 1.5" is fine, a larger pin has the potential to create more scar tissue. When doing glute shots I use a mirror so I can see the syringe while aspirating. I'd also recommend you insert the entire length of the pin, if don't inject deep enough you could be in trouble.

Taking a shower prior to shot will loosen up the muscle and will help reduce pain on the proceeding days. Also massage the inject site for 3-4 minutes to help disipate the oil.

it was a 21g man, though i might go back and see if i can get some 23g pinz instead, if not i guess these will have to do

i used a mirror but still struggled with the aspiration a part (its was all quite fiddly with one hand), i think i will practice doing it with one hand before i take my next shot

thanks for the massaging tip, didn't really think about that, TBH i kept it pretty still and sat down for a while afterwards, but i'll definately try that next time

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu

what Test E did you get?

Iranian

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

i know, thats why i'm taking the steroids dipshit!

I don't know how you can draw the conclusion that I know nothing about AAS from what I've said in this thread; judging by your pictures and posts here on IM I can certainly draw the conclusion that you know nothing about training or dieting and in my opinion supplementing.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Nolva. day1: 60mg, day2-14: 40mg, day15-30: 20mg

Is this the amount of tamoxifen or tamoxifen citrate. I hope it is the former. I would go with a higher dose, personally.

Do you work your hams with your quads?

Do you do Rows on Tuesday with Lats?

I recommend using the dbol for 5 weeks.

Good luck, bro. Shooting gets easy quick. After a few weeks, I was doing it while talking on the phone with the other hand--delt shot.

By the time you finish this journal, you will have 3000 posts like me.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

good for you!

now FUCK OFF.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

its the jupiter nolva man, tamox citrate but each tab is equivilent to 20mg tamoxifen, so on the first day i will take 3 tabs (60mg), then 2 tabs (40mg) and so on... would you say that dosing is okay? or should i bump it up a bit?

right now the only thing i do for my hams is deads which i do on back day, but i'm definately gonna start working them with quads on a saturday

yeah i do rows for lats, they are staple, bent over barbell rows hit my lats like no other back exercise

thanks for the dbol advice, i'll see how i get on with it, but i'm def. leaning towards 5-6 weeks on it, unless i decide to run it at the end of my cycle as well (someone said they had really good success with this, 4 weeks dbol at the start, 7 weeks off, 4 weeks dbol up to pct), its just an idea that i'll need to look into a little more, right now the plan is to just run it at the start but i'll see how things go

thanks for the support pirate, you've helped me a lot so far, really appriciate it bro! 1st workout is guns tomorrow, can't wait!

lets hope this dbol works on me!

Posted by: Pirate!

David (who used to be on that uk chat site you visit) has speculated that the nolva jupiter sells has about 12 mg of tamoxifen, not 20, per pill. I suspected they were underdosed after an M1T pct that did not go well at all. I think your pct schedule needs to be adjusted accordingly. I would either find better nolva or double your dose.

Posted by: Cardinal

Custom has some pretty cheap stuff, given that it is sold powder form.

For glute shots, I just learned to make sure that my weight is on the other leg. You can even put your foot up on something like a low step stool so that it is more relaxed. One-handing the glute shots isn't that tough. I just walk my fingers up the syringe being careful to be steady. This was after nearly pulling an ab trying to reach my other hand back there.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

Young D, I am not a fan of AAS and would never use it myself, but your reasons for trying it are right on the money, so I cannot disagree with what you are doing. You've been training for a number of years, have put on some impressive size, but now it looks like you have maxxed out naturally. With greater ambitions and fully aware of the risks involved, you've made a value judgement.

Good luck. I'll be following along.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

GOOD LUCK with that first jab

Posted by: redspy

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

David (who used to be on that uk chat site you visit) has speculated that the nolva jupiter sells has about 12 mg of tamoxifen, not 20, per pill. I suspected they were underdosed after an M1T pct that did not go well at all. I think your pct schedule needs to be adjusted accordingly. I would either find better nolva or double your dose.

Damn, I knew those were supposed to be under dosed, but 12mg? I'm taking these for PCT so I guess I need to up the dose. I'm beginning to lose faith in JP, i knew their benzos and pain meds were supposed to be underdosed but this is ridiculous.

Posted by: Pirate!

In general, India meds are underdosed. This goes for anxiety meds and other stuff. However British Dragon and other Indian pharms make good juice. The 12 mg figure is speculation, but the guy I refered to is highly regarded in the UK for his knowledge on the matter. I don't recall the name of his board, but young d knows him. Buying raw powder is simply the best and cheapest way to go. When you make your own, you can know you are dosing it right.

Cardinal, I don't think young d can order from custom since he is in the UK.

Brand name stuff like pregnyl is fine to buy from jupiter, as are other products. But if you don't know what brand it is, assume it is underdosed Indian Meds. As I stated above, generic Indian Meds are notorious for being underdosed.

Posted by: redspy

Just as well I have a stash of IBE nolva and clomid.

BTW Young D I believe IBE ships to the UK in case you're in a bind.

Posted by: Stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Just as well I have a stash of IBE nolva and clomid.

BTW Young D I believe IBE ships to the UK in case you're in a bind.

Yep they do, my T3 arrived yesterday. Shippings about $30 which isn't too bad.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

yes i remember david, good guy, thanks for the warning about the nolva, i might try and get some better tabs for my pct.. if not i will definately double my doses

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

thanks egoatdoor

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

For glute shots, I just learned to make sure that my weight is on the other leg. You can even put your foot up on something like a low step stool so that it is more relaxed. One-handing the glute shots isn't that tough. I just walk my fingers up the syringe being careful to be steady. This was after nearly pulling an ab trying to reach my other hand back there.

thanks for the tips

next shot will be to my left glute, i think i might try and pin with my left, then bring my right around and whilst holding the needle steady with my left.. pull back (aspirate) and then apply pressure with my right, i can't see myself doing it all with my left hand!

Posted by: Mags

hey dude, good luck pal, hope all goes well and you get some great results. I'm guessing this'll be an exciting time! How come you arent running the test for at least 10 wks? What made you run HCG from wk 5 till two wks after ya last test shot? Im not moaning at you as you know Im still finding my feet about specifics myself, but isnt 7 weeks on HCG gonna start being suppressive? I dont know all the answers, but when I suggested running HCG as part of the PCT as well (which I tend to think is a good idea- run it alittle in the cycle to halt nut atrophy and then also after the exogenous test has finished up, continue to shoot it to jump start natural test again) everyone tended to be "No, shoot the last HCG shot a week before your last test shot", "you won't need it with test", just keep it on hand" and "it'll be suppressive" etc. I suppose its each to his own at the end of it all and will only know if our bodies like it or not. How many cals are you gonna be on each day? Good luck pal. Keep us posted, my cycle will pretty much look the same as yours, so will be eager to see how you get on. All the best!

Posted by: Mags

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Congratulations on the first injection and everything, but I can't say I support your usage considering you look no bigger than a skinny high schooler.

Who is this ass?

Posted by: Mags

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

good for you!

now FUCK OFF.

Haha, nicely put

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

hey dude, good luck pal, hope all goes well and you get some great results. I'm guessing this'll be an exciting time! How come you arent running the test for at least 10 wks? What made you run HCG from wk 5 till two wks after ya last test shot? Im not moaning at you as you know Im still finding my feet about specifics myself, but isnt 7 weeks on HCG gonna start being suppressive? I dont know all the answers, but when I suggested running HCG as part of the PCT as well (which I tend to think is a good idea- run it alittle in the cycle to halt nut atrophy and then also after the exogenous test has finished up, continue to shoot it to jump start natural test again) everyone tended to be "No, shoot the last HCG shot a week before your last test shot", "you won't need it with test", just keep it on hand" and "it'll be suppressive" etc. I suppose its each to his own at the end of it all and will only know if our bodies like it or not. How many cals are you gonna be on each day? Good luck pal. Keep us posted, my cycle will pretty much look the same as yours, so will be eager to see how you get on. All the best!

thanks mags

i am running the test for 10wks, my hcg is at home and i'm stuck up at uni right now so i will start it once i go back home which will be around week 5, i'm only gonna be running a low dose of hcg just to prevent too much atrophy downstairs and make recovery easier, it will probably be trial and error, if i shrink a little... i'll take some hcg to get my nuts back up to size, i'll use the size of my balls as a measure and use low doses so i don't over-do it, thats all i'm gonna say about the hcg issue, i'm not looking into it that much anymore as everyone recommends different things, i just have it on hand to run when needed on cycle, and i'll run it again before my pct,

i'm not totally sure of my number of cals, i let my weight changes and BF% gauge my eating these days, i'd guess i'm eating around the 4500 mark (as i am putting on weight pretty quickly right now, so i'm easily above maintenance)- give or take 500, my current diet consists 7 high protein/complex carb meals a day (mainly fish, eggs, chicken, and whey for protein, rice, oats, potatos and wholemeal bread for carbs), the only exception is bedtime where i drop the carbs and up the healthy fats (fish oils and PB), i'll get a sample of my diet posted up shortly

Posted by: celt

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

good for you!

now FUCK OFF.

Posted by: 19-chief

yo d, you might have told us before but how big are you right now? what are you realistically looking to net from this cycle?

Posted by: Mags

Yeah, I know what you mean about the HCG, its impossible to sort a single best way of doing it, so I agree that it'll be a learn as you go (my positive way of saying trial and error,ha) phase, especially this being your first cycle, I guess it gets to the point where you've done so much research and planning that you start checking yourself and what you've decided, so in the end you just have to take the plunge. Good shout on your diet, Im pretty much hitting 4300 cals a day at the mo, but will have to review my protein intake although I think Im okay for that (1 to 1.5g per lb but it fluctuates). Anyway, hope all keeps going well dude.

Posted by: Cardinal

Mags,

Don't mean to be cluttering up the thread but using HCG during PCT is not a try and see if it works for you type of thing. It is suppressive and should not be used after the esters clear your system and you start PCT. The way young is planning it is probably the smartest way of going about it imo. Most users either use it starting week 3+ for a small to moderate amount each week, but some use if right before pct in much bigger doses. Those that use it during PCT are underinformed imo.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

yo d, you might have told us before but how big are you right now? what are you realistically looking to net from this cycle?

thats a very good question! i actually forgot to talk about my aims and targets for the cycle

my overall aim of this cycle is to put on as much muscle mass as possible, i'm around 190lbs right now, i'd like to get up to around 210-215lbs by the end of this cycle, and obviously keep it all

if i can keep 20lbs from this cycle i will be very happy indeed, i think that is definately attainable from what i've heard others gain, i gained 5lbs from 1ad and i was definately noticably bigger, so an extra 20lbs would be awesome!

Posted by: naturaltan

You're 190lbs? You pictures make you seem much lighter than that. Are those pics current?

Posted by: largepkg

I think he's tall as well NT. I thought he said he was 6'2''.

Posted by: Tha Don

well my second day on cycle today, haven't noticed anything too dramatic yet, woke up feeling very optimistic, a little discomfort in my right glute but nothing to cry over

had my first workout of the cycle today which was delts, bis and tris... the workout went okay, lifts were very slightly up from last week (same weights, but getting out an extra rep or 2) but no major surges in strength just yet, the workout did go on a bit, i was a bit sluggish in there, seemed to be lacking a bit of energy and didn't really have that mental spark/focus which you really need for them 'killer' workouts! (but i have my reasons for that right now), pumps were decent today, but nothing too insane yet, overall though it was a decent workout, key lifts:
military press: 6x60kg
barbell curl: 8x40kg
CG bench press: 6x80kg

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturaltan

You're 190lbs? You pictures make you seem much lighter than that. Are those pics current?

yeah some of them are quite old, i've tried to date most of them, and yes i'm 6"2

Posted by: Pirate!

You could try glute shots lying on your side if you can aspirate with one hand.

Posted by: Cardinal

Have you done any PH/PS cycles before this first AAS run? Sorry if the qtn has already been asked. Looking at your lifts, you and I started at a really similar point. I am also 6'2", but started using at 182 lbs. Only major difference is that I am an endo.

You are going to be really impressed with the gains overall I think in this first year. If you run enough strength compounds, you will also probably amaze yourself how strong you can get with good cns stimulation.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Congratulations on the first injection and everything, but I can't say I support your usage considering you look no bigger than a skinny high schooler.

Don't sweat it young d you look about 25lbs bigger and much more cut than Soxnomuscle

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Have you done any PH/PS cycles before this first AAS run?

yes i ran a 1-ad cycle in jan/feb of this year, cycle went well, put on a clean 5lbs of LBM which i kept all of pct, i also put on a fair bit of strength from that (a comfortable extra 5-10kg on all lifts) but then i started cutting about a month ago and lost pretty much everything!

it was my own fault, cut cals way too low and overdid it on the cardio, when really there is no need for my to cut that extreme being the bodytype that i am, but in a way i'm glad because i've fully learnt my lesson, i will never cut like that again and next time i cut it will be with anabolic support

Posted by: Mags

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Mags,

Don't mean to be cluttering up the thread but using HCG during PCT is not a try and see if it works for you type of thing. It is suppressive and should not be used after the esters clear your system and you start PCT. The way young is planning it is probably the smartest way of going about it imo. Most users either use it starting week 3+ for a small to moderate amount each week, but some use if right before pct in much bigger doses. Those that use it during PCT are underinformed imo.

Just saying what is a fact. Alot of people on here tell you hundreds of different ways to use HCG on a cycle. I wasn't dismissing D's way of running it, or saying it was wrong, I was just saying that you can only hear so many ways of skinning the cat before you have to decide which way is best for you. Personally I am up for running HCG week 3 to week 9 (6weeks total), the last HCG shot a week before my last test shot. I thought this seemed pretty sensible. Now I think I'll just get some incase nut atrophy starts becoming a problem. No disrespect to either you or D.

Posted by: Mags

[quote=Mags]isnt 7 weeks on HCG gonna start being suppressive? I dont know all the answers, but when I suggested running HCG as part of the PCT as well (which I tend to think is a good idea- run it alittle in the cycle to halt nut atrophy and then also after the exogenous test has finished up, continue to shoot it to jump start natural test again) everyone tended to be "No, shoot the last HCG shot a week before your last test shot", "you won't need it with test", just keep it on hand" and "it'll be supressive" [quote]

My bad, I didnt make myself clear enough. I meant running HCG at the end of the cycle to boost natural test production, but I meant in the two weeks before test shots finish and PCT starts, not to be included as part of the PCT. As you can see I wrote how id incorporate HCG shots into the cycle after test shots had finished like D plans, changing from what I had first settled on as being accurate- running HCG DURING the cycle, wk 3 to wk 9. This is what I meant by so many conflicting opinions changing ones already made decisions. You are offering yet another HCG opinion.

Posted by: Mags

hope all is going well still D

Posted by: Tha Don

okay lets not get too caught up in the hcg debate, or else this thread is gonna be over 10 pages long before the real action starts!

Posted by: Tha Don

okay its another rest day today so no workout, although i've walked into town n' back twice today so my wheels have done a fair bit of mileage, right glute is pretty uncomfortable today, i'd actually say its worse today than it was yesterday and wednesday, not too sure why? but i'll make sure i massage the area well after future shots as it could be something to do with not getting a lot of movement on the wednesday, its not the actual spot that hurts but rather the whole muscle? i'm guessing this is just something i'll have to get used to, certainly puts me off the thought of pinning EOD!

everything seems to be going good so far, and the stuff that was worrying me yesterday is now over with (dani thought she might be pregnant, but today she told me she has come 'on' thank God!), so that is good news, more good news is i'm working tonight, which means another £60 for an hours work (at todays exchange rates thats around $120)

although i'm looking quite a bit fuller already my face is looking pretty bloated, so i'm gonna take 3 caps of taraxatone now in an attempt to lean out a little for tonight, i doubt they will have any significant impact but its worth a try, every little helps i guess!

Posted by: Mags

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

okay lets not get too caught up in the hcg debate, or else this thread is gonna be over 10 pages long before the real action starts!

Fair play dude, forgot this is actually your journal

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Don't sweat it young d you look about 25lbs bigger and much more cut than Soxnomuscle

I was 15 years old in those pictures and had been working out for just over a year using whey protein, and d's 21 years old and has been working out for five years using prohormones/prosteroids. I wonder why he's 25 pounds heavier than I am?

I will continue to "fuck off" like I have been doing now.

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

This needed to be said.

Definitely up the Nolva dosage, especially first comin off cycle. Better to have too much nolva than too little.

Good luck Young D.

Posted by: redspy

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

...., right glute is pretty uncomfortable today, i'd actually say its worse today than it was yesterday and wednesday, not too sure why? but i'll make sure i massage the area well after future shots as it could be something to do with not getting a lot of movement on the wednesday, its not the actual spot that hurts but rather the whole muscle? i'm guessing this is just something i'll have to get used to, certainly puts me off the thought of pinning EOD!

After a few more shots your body should adjust and the pain will diminish as the cycle progresses.

Taking ibuprofen (an anti-inflammatory) will help a bit, as will a heating pad.

Just wait til those test levels peak, you'll love it!

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

This needed to be said.

well if you think that then you can fuck off too

lets see your fucking abs then we'll see who knows nothing about diet or training, jeeez! haters

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

cheers for the advice bro, i'll probably just let myself get used to it, maybe try ibuprofen if it becomes a problem, but its nothing i can't live with for the moment

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

well if you think that then you can fuck off too

lets see your fucking abs then we'll see who knows nothing about diet or training, jeeez! haters

Did ya read the rest of the post? Stop bein a prick.

Lets see the measurements of your bis/tris, chest, waist, quads, calves, and forearms. Then we'll see who knows nothing about diet or training.

Jeez, immaturity.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Did ya read the rest of the post? Stop bein a prick.

do you understand English? fuck off means fuck off as in don't post in my journal again! theres always some dickhead out there that has to try n' spoil things

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

do you understand English? fuck off means fuck off as in don't post in my journal again! theres always some dickhead out there that has to try n' spoil things

Again, youre leaving out half the post. Youre just tryin to start arguments.

I do understand English, I speak it daily. No worries there.

I will post any God damn place I please.

How do my posts constitute being a "dickhead out there that has to try to spoil things"? If you can give a reasonable answer to that (and maybe even reply to the whole post, not just one small line), Ill do as you wish and "sod off".

Please enlighten me, as Im not going to simply get into a "fuck off, dickhead" argument with you, as you seem to want.

Have at it, hoss.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

well everyone just saw you start the argument by coming in here n' thowing out cheap insults at me, thats why you're a "dickhead", now please do us all a favour and "sod off"

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

well everyone just saw you start the argument by coming in here n' thowing out cheap insults at me, thats why you're a "dickhead", now please do us all a favour and "sod off"

So, no real response? Just a "fuck off, dickhead" (in other words)? If you've got nothing more to say than that, its alright to admit.

I didnt start an argument, I simply said that Sox's post had merit and deserved posting. The next line in that post was advice to you. Perhaps you could re-read it.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

So, no real response? Just a "fuck off, dickhead" (in other words)? If you've got nothing more to say than that, its alright to admit.

no i haven't got anymore to say! so you still posting here is really pointless, coz you know my response is just gonna be another "fuck off, dickhead"

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

no i haven't got anymore to say! so you still posting here is really pointless, coz you know my response is just gonna be another "fuck off, dickhead"

Are you going to say that to anyone who posts, but doesnt say "Hey keep it up!"?

'Cuz I said nothing derogatory.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

C'mon. The man doesn't want you here. Stop cluttering up the thread and go away.

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

C'mon. The man doesn't want you here. Stop cluttering up the thread and go away.

Ya cant throw insults at me and have me not want an explanation. Thats all I want. I said that. Read my posts.

Posted by: redspy

I come here to see YD's progress, not drama.

Posted by: celt

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

I come here to see YD's progress, not drama.

Yeah, what the fuck is with all the hating and negativity which is being directed at D because of? its been goin on since this journal started, if ya have a problem with his age or build or something then tough shit!!!! he doesnt need to explain himself to anyone!!! I can see why hed be pissed with people comin into his journal posting extremely critical things, which border on insults, so just leave it.

Anyway, i hope the cycle is goin well D, any gains so far?

Posted by: TheCurse

whatever you think about it, young d's already on his cycle and committed, best thing we can do now is support him in his endeavors, not make him try and second guess himself.

good luck D, im following for 'research' purposes

Posted by: redspy

Exactly. Let's get back on topic and enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Seanp156

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCurse

whatever you think about it, young d's already on his cycle and committed, best thing we can do now is support him in his endeavors, not make him try and second guess himself.

good luck D, im following for 'research' purposes

I still say 3 is the answer.

Posted by: Robboe

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

no i haven't got anymore to say! so you still posting here is really pointless, coz you know my response is just gonna be another "fuck off, dickhead"

'Roid rage? lol.

Jes' kidding.

What club do you work at? One of my best friends is at Uni in Nottingham and has been there for the past three years. She does graphic design or drama prop design or something like that. I'll have to tell her to drop in and laugh at you in your little dickie-bow tie.

Posted by: Eggs

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

This needed to be said.

Actually, I dont know if it needed to be said. From what I've seen around the forum Sox tends to have a big mouth. If he wants to come into a guys personal journal and talk shit... he should go fuck himself first.

And the same to anybody else who goes into someones journal and tries to start shit there. This is their little place on the site that they can get encouragement and talk about whats going on. They shouldn't have to deal with people throwing around insults.

Which he most certainly did.

You wouldn't walk into somebodies house and spit in their face... and you shouldn't do it in someones journal.

Posted by: soxmuscle

I didnt talk any shit, I only defended myself. Please Eggs, I can't remember having any interaction with you besides once in the Sports forum, but I guess from that you can draw the conclusion that I have a big mouth. Personally I think you should stop being a bitch, and stop being hypocritical, and take this to PM.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Whats you're point??? he looks good and you need to disrespect him?

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Whats you're point??? he looks good and you need to disrespect him?

I wasn't disrespecting him.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I wasn't disrespecting him.

Sorry you fooled me with you're negative comments on his physique...my bad

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Sorry you fooled me with you're negative comments on his physique...my bad

They weren't disrespectful. They were truthful.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

They weren't disrespectful. They were truthful.

I do not want to disrespect you; I wish you felt the same about people who are more advanced than you.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

They weren't disrespectful. They were truthful.

er.. no, calling you a skinny little trash talking piece of shit is truthful

seriously how much bigger do you expect me to get naturally? can you really imagine me naturally putting on another clean 20-30lbs without roids? i don't think so! i don't have the genetics to put on that sort of mass like a lot of other people you dumb shit! i'm a tall, skinny, lanky ectomorph, my shoulders used to stick out like curtain rails, my head used to like 5x too big for my body, my ribs used to show through my clothes, i couldn't do 1 undergrip pull-up when i was younger (this is before weights, but i was still very active and sporty, and all the other guys at my school could do a good 5-6, they were also untrained), can you actually imagine what being 6ft+ and 130lbs looks like??? i agree if my body was untrained and i had been this sort of size my whole life of course i could get a lot bigger, but i'm way above my natural untrained size right now, see thats why i get so fuckin pissed off with little shits like you, your the same sort of guys that think Arnold never took steroids until his late twenties, or the NFL is all drug-free now... you can't get the bodies in the magazines with tons of food and tubs of cell-tech, i've tried tons of food and low volume training and the only place i add mass is around my fucking waistline, if my goal is to get a body similar to that of a juiced up athlete then i accept to reach my goal a certain amount of juice is involved! that is just something i accepted a long time ago

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I do not want to disrespect you; I wish you felt the same about people who are more advanced than you.

If your implying that d's more advanced than me, I am going to have to agree with you on the subject of AAS, but not a single chance in terms of dieting and training.

Posted by: Robboe

I have no probem with you using steroids if you've done your homework and know how your body reacts to various training and dietary stimulii, but i must admit i do think you could add another 20-30lbs based on your photos. It would take you a fair while to achieve, but you could manage it.

Posted by: soxmuscle

I don't think any of those things you mentioned. However I do think that, looking at your pictures, if you trained and dieted right for five-plus years that you would be somewhat bigger than that, naturally. Maybe I'm wrong.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

So enough of the drama

Hey D hows the training going, you feel the dbol kick in yet??

Posted by: Eggs

I mean, I dont really need to take this to PM. This was started in the public, so might as well end that way. Listen Sox, I've seen you post quite a few times. Our interaction is limited, because for the most part I ignore you. The reason being, is that you go out of your way to trash people. Its one thing to talk trash in the open talk area... we do that there, and truth tell its not really personal. See the threads trashing me right now, and Canada

However, to come to someones journal is completely different, as is to look at their pics and criticize them based on that.

I'm not going to do that, because realistically talking smack about your pics isnt my thing... but come on, you're 17 and have been lifting for a year. You dont know what this guys genes are like, so how can you talk smack about his diet, etc? I have friends that are 6'1" and about 125lbs and eat twinkies all day long, and othe crazy shit. Some people are genetically geared to be thin, and yes, then can put on some weight if they work really hard, but after 5 years I think the guy has probably learned a few things. I'm 190lbs right now, should I criticize you for not knowing what you're doing?

Its one thing to ask questions nicely and piece together whether that person knows what they are doing or not. On the other hand, its really not acceptable to jump in and call them names and tell them they dont know what they're doing.

You're a kid sox.. believe it or not but there is a difference between 17 and 21. Both in knowledge, and maturity. D wasnt looking for your journal to trash it that I know of, and the same respect should be given to him.

Now, I dont feel like dirtying up his journal any more with this. We can talk about it in open chat if you'd like, or we can just let it drop and you give the guy a break.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

However I do think that, looking at your pictures, if you trained and dieted right for five-plus years that you would be somewhat bigger than that, naturally. Maybe I'm wrong.

i haven't got 5 years to kill trying to put an extra 10lbs on, especially when i can put on 20lbs in 5 weeks with dbol!

Posted by: Tha Don

okay this update is a little late, didn't know if i would bother carrying on with this journal after all the negativity in this thread, its beginning to seriously depress me now, but i will carry on for another day or so and then see how i feel about things

saturday i trained legs, which consisted of mainly of squats for the quads and calf raises for the calves, key lifts:
squats: 10x80kg
calf raises (single leg): 40x32.5kg

i also did a little dynamic bench pressing and bent over rowing, i've definately noticed a difference in upper body strength since implementing this, so now i do them every week at the end of my leg workouts

sunday i did my 2nd injection, 1ml of test into my left glute, the actual injection went GREAT! but i couldn't seem to open an amp without smashing it! i broke 3 amps, had to ditch 2 of them (the second one went everywhere!), the 3rd one the oil stayed in the bottom of the amp, a little debris had fallin in but i thought hell with it and just drew it up anyway

i was trying to cut them open with scissors, lol, but i've heard it is best to scold round the neck with a knife or file and then just snap the top off with your hands, so i will try doing it that way next time

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

i haven't got 5 years to kill trying to put an extra 10lbs on, especially when i can put on 20lbs in 5 weeks with dbol!

Which brand are you using? BD?

Posted by: redspy

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

okay this update is a little late, didn't know if i would bother carrying on with this journal after all the negativity in this thread, its beginning to seriously depress me now, but i will carry on for another day or so and then see how i feel about things

Hang in there bro. Just remember that people who make vocal judgements aren't devoid of bad decision making themselves. You've done your research, you understand the risks, and only you understand the best approach to get your body to the next level.

Needless to say if you want to post your journal on the 'other' board you're very welcome. No drama guaranteed

Posted by: soxmuscle

Carry on, Young D. My viewpoints shouldn't phase you to the least. The drama is over and done with.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

you have been on your new batch of dbol since last wed?

Posted by: Du

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

Dont let anyone get in your way, myself included. You do your thing; we are all here to "learn, teach, and lead". We are in here to read about your progress and work with ya if and when need be.

You still lookin at 8 weeks enan? Or have you pushed it up to 10/12?

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Needless to say if you want to post your journal on the 'other' board you're very welcome. No drama guaranteed

Solid advice here. I told you the same some time ago.

IMO, Sox comments were derogatory. I think Du was trying to say that those issues should be addressed more than he was saying that those comments needed to be said that way. Obviously, young d isn't huge. I'm not either, and I received more severe criticism when I did my first cycle and kept a journal here. Young d, I think you were a bit overly sensitive. Don't let people get you down. I seriously advise you to keep your journal on a forum with plenty of vets. Their posts in your journal will help you learn and make improvements. Either way, starting this journal over with just your posts is a good idea. I think you will fell better about it. I didn't even start my journal until I was 18 days and 18 lbs into my cycle. The way I see it, there is no reason for someone to post in someone's journal if they are not making a contribution.

Posted by: The Grafter

Good luck with your cycle bro, I know you've done loads of research so ignore the pricks on here who are trying to make you doubt yourself.

Posted by: Tom84

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

thanks Tom, yeah this is it! everything is gonna be logged in here (weight, BF%, lifts, side effects, blood pressure and so on) should be an insightful and interesting read

lol sorry bro got the link from your sig (can just here ppl sayin fuckin stupid newbie)

yep will be 4 sure enjoyed reading are 1ad cycles was good in comparison il see how this cycle goes for you as it will probably be very similar to my first AAS cycle if not identical. Again good luck bro

Posted by: Tom84

Just read through the full thread, I think negative comments in someones thread from someone with only 20% experience of the thread host is very derogatory.
Personally im quite new to this site and havent come across u before sox but ive known D through the forums for a long time and I know how hard he has to work for gains and how ready he is to do this cycle.
Anyway I really dont wanna reignite that argument and ruin his thread just needed to be said.
Take it easy bro

And mate what ever happened to David (know his forum was closed down) got an email telling me he was a scammer from the webhost.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom84

And mate what ever happened to David (know his forum was closed down) got an email telling me he was a scammer from the webhost.

Sorry to go off topic, but I seriously doubt David was a scammer.

Posted by: tryintogetbig

HEY Young D,

why don't you just start a new journal

there are sooo many other topics in here besides your training,

Posted by: Tom84

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Sorry to go off topic, but I seriously doubt David was a scammer.

yeah me too his forum was called houseofjuice.co.uk but was somehow linked to musclechat.co.uk. The owner of the second sold the forum name to the owner of the first.I was a member of both. H of J got closed down for some reason and i was emailed from the admin staff of one of the boards cant remember which saying David was a scammer. I thought no way he'd given me sources before who were Uk and I still use to this day. The owner of MC and David fell out badly over this I don't really know much more than that. Most of the quality members of Mc have left now anyway to be honest.

Ain't that right D?

sorry to invade your thread again bro. Lemme know how its goin. peace.

Posted by: redspy

How's it going YD?

Posted by: Mags

I think everyone in here needs to have one big hug,ha. Thought we were tuned into an episode of Trisha, ha. I guess everyone has their opinion, just strange how it can flare up into such a bitching handbag bust up. Hopefully now everyones chilled out abit. Anyway D, hope the shots are easier. Glad you feel that the juice is starting to kick in now, the fun part begins! How you getting on with ya Dbol (they the pink pentagon shaped ones?), hope they're doing their bit. You getting much of a puffy/bloated look yet? Keep training, eating and juicing and hopefully you'll be a monster in 10 weeks! Bosh!

Posted by: tryintogetbig

Young D have you given up on the journal????????????????????????????????

Posted by: kingprop

Sorry to hijack the thread. Just wanted to put my point across reference MC and Steve shutting me down (Im david btw)
The truth is he wanted to not only charge for the source list (my list actually) but he also insisted on the mods deleting any threads that would take away business from his sponsors (Extreme, animal paks) He is relying on a google ranking to entice newbies to buy that crap at inflated prices. I objected strongly, he banned me and shut the site down he sold me (He set it up and kept a back door)
It was him that mailed my members with the scammer alert. Don't know how I can scam as I dont sell anything.

MC has now bit the dust anyways..

Sorry again all. Good luck YD.

Posted by: Tom84

Sorry Si gonna hijack your thread again. Yeah I know steve deleted alot of threads where I told ppl these products were overpriced I got banned for a pm where I basically said that Steve knew nothing about AAS to Si (Young D), (Godfather on MC). When he tried to charge for the sourcing section that was ridiculous and gary tried to cover it up for him saying that the measure was never intended to make money yeah right. I dont know how he expected ppl to seriously buy that u were a scammer. Cant stand the guy. His site is shite.
Anyway sorry Si hows it goin bro.

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grafter

Good luck with your cycle bro, I know you've done loads of research so ignore the pricks on here who are trying to make you doubt yourself.

thanks for coming over here bro, i'll c u down hoofers get ready to watch me blow up!

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

Young D have you given up on the journal????????????????????????????????

hell no! the journal is gonna keep running no matter what, just wanted to let things cool down a bit

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingprop

Sorry to hijack the thread. Just wanted to put my point across reference MC and Steve shutting me down (Im david btw)
The truth is he wanted to not only charge for the source list (my list actually) but he also insisted on the mods deleting any threads that would take away business from his sponsors (Extreme, animal paks) He is relying on a google ranking to entice newbies to buy that crap at inflated prices. I objected strongly, he banned me and shut the site down he sold me (He set it up and kept a back door)
It was him that mailed my members with the scammer alert. Don't know how I can scam as I dont sell anything.

MC has now bit the dust anyways..

Sorry again all. Good luck YD.

no problem David, similar sort of thing happened to me on that site, i was made moderator shortly after you left and the site got a bit of a make-over, i made a real contribution to that site, only to get insulted by garry (and chums) and then booted and banned by steve, the site did actually pick up after he made me mod, i bought over 5-6 guys from here and muscletalk, no suprise to see the place is dead again now!

that place was all about arse kissing, everyone on there sucks up to garry and steve, if you don't give them any sucky-sucky they won't like you, they feel that because they are 'older' they expect all of the younger guys to respect them, but i wasn't down with that, in fact i didn't have much respect for them at all because they knew jack all about BBing or AS (Tom remember the 17aa thread?

), also i knew there was a MC source list, but i got plenty of PM's for sources and i would recommend them to sources of my own, so i doubt they liked that! and 'thebigskev', a fat newbie being made a mod after 3 months of training??? HAHAHA! i'm real happy i'm no longer associated with that place!

anyways thanks for clearing things up David

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

How's it going YD?

yeah, i think the dbol is starting to kick in, fair bit of water retention on me now, but its managable, i seem to be waking up heavier everyday! its pretty crazy! i've been napping/sleeping a lot during the day... my sleep is all over the place right now prob ain't helping, but i'm trying to get back on schedule, could it be the dbol is making me lethargic?

diet has been a little poor, over the last week (just skipping/delaying the odd meal here n' there), i'm definately going to start eating big from now on

yesterday was lats/traps/f.arms and all i can say is my rows were awesome! i've been pushing out around the 8x80kg mark lately but yesterday i just kept putting weight on and got up to 6x95kg (last couple i forced out a bit), but it felt great! my strength has been down ever since my cutting nightmare, i'm still a bit off what i was lifting on 1-ad but i reckon over the next week i'm gonna be back up to those sorts of numbers

injections are going fine, i actually quite look forward to them now, get a bit of a buzz out of it, and this is coming from a guy that was scared shitless about the thought of jabbing himself before this! but i think i'm truely over my needle phobia, still rotating L-R glute and its going fine, plenty of room back there, and no soreness/discomfort at all now, i found massaging the site right after shooting really helps!

so its going pretty good so far, i just want to get my diet sorted, and get a bit more focused in the gym, i've had a few personal issues to deal with over the past couple of weeks but they seem to be out the way now and i'm excited again about the cycle and being a good 20lbs heavier in 3 months time

Posted by: Tom84

Quote:

Originally Posted by young d

that place was all about arse kissing, everyone on there sucks up to garry and steve, if you don't give them any sucky-sucky they won't like you, they feel that because they are 'older' they expect all of the younger guys to respect them, but i wasn't down with that, in fact i didn't have much respect for them at all because they knew jack all about BBing or AS (Tom remember the 17aa thread?

That thread was ridiculous couldnt agree more with everything u said. Mods didnt know what a 17aa was it was quite depressing. I signed in through my mates user name the other day and gary has managed to argue with someone else and get them to stop posting. Place is so quiet ah well what a shame

One of the mods didnt know what pct was and also posted could he make gains with dbol and 100g a day protein.

Glad to hear u consider your personal issues over bro 'Fuck her' is the best attitude u wanna adopt right now. Glad to hear its goin well starting SD yday fucking mental forearm pumps in the gym today was ridiculous.

Posted by: Tha Don

yes! its started..

i can really feel the dbol starting to kick in now, this morning i've just checked the scales and i am another pound up! (i seem to be gaining roughly a pound a day right now!), its took a lil while, but after 9 days the dbol is really starting to make its presence

apart from the weight gain and obvious bloat/puffiness, i've also noticed quite a bit of lethargy (which i'm told will subside after a couple of weeks), i'm getting pretty bad sweats at times (overnight was quite bad but i'm leaving the window open and the covers off so i stay quite cool when i'm sleeping), i also woke up today with really oily skin, i touched my nose n' it felt like someone has rubbed oil over my face... it was greasy as hell! my mood is up already (just because i now know my shit ain't fake this time!)

today will be my 1st workout of the 2nd week (delts, bis, tris), and i'm very excited!

Posted by: Tha Don

todays' workout was good, best workout i've had in a long time! strength was up slightly, i felt pretty invincible (like i could lift all day), VERY noticable pumps - after the workout i went to the sinks to splash some water on my face and cool down, and really struggled to wash, my arms were so pumped i couldn't move them properly, highlight lifts:
military press: 6x65kg (up from 6x60kg)
barbell curl: 8x40kg
CG bench: 6x90kg (up from 6x80kg)

i was grunting these out, it was funny that the 2 guys i was benchin with doing regular bench were my sort of size yet they very benching around 60kg, and i'm close gripping 90.. nice lil ego boost!

i've upped my cals a little bit more, i'd say over the first week i was around the maintenance mark, maybe very slightly above when i didn't skip/delay any meals, but now i'm trying to get a 7th meal in, and eating more potatos and solid protein sources (even more fish and chicken!) instead of relying so much on shakes

working again tonight, more money into my piggybank

, its all good right now, my mood has gone from been totally depressed and anxious (over the first week of this cycle... due to the fakes, the ex gf stressing me, and the fact that i was so pissed off about losing so much strength and LBM on that 3 week cut) to being excited and very optimistic! so i'm happy with how things are going right now, i'll try and post some weight changes up over the next few days, so you guys can see just what is going on! i'm adding roughly a pound a day right now, no shit! its insane!

Posted by: Du

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Originally Posted by young d

todays' workout was good, best workout i've had in a long time! strength was up slightly, i felt pretty invincible (like i could lift all day), VERY noticable pumps - after the workout i went to the sinks to splash some water on my face and cool down, and really struggled to wash, my arms were so pumped i couldn't move them properly

my mood has gone from been totally depressed and anxious (over the first week of this cycle..........to being excited and very optimistic! so i'm happy with how things are going right now, i'll try and post some weight changes up over the next few days, so you guys can see just what is going on! i'm adding roughly a pound a day right now, no shit! its insane!

Youre makin me wanna start my cycle now boss. Good to hear its treatin ya well... keep it up.

Posted by: redspy

Good deal Young D. Glad this cycle is really kicking off well for you.

Posted by: Tha Don

thanks for the encouragement guys

Posted by: Tha Don

another day, another dollar..

today was legs, workout went well considering my legs were pretty tired from last night, key lifts:
squats: 8x90kg (up from 10x80kg)
calf raises: 35x35kg

weight was up again this morning, only about by half a pound today but that isn't bad considering i was working (instead of resting) last night, and slept in all morning

dbol bloat is getting pretty bad, i'm not sure if i could put up with it worsening, i looked pretty bad at work last night, i was aware that my face was pretty puffed up so it didn't help my confidence, which needs to be sky high for this sort of job, i might have to consider running some letro or nolva if the condition continues to worsen, i'm paid to talk to women, but i can't talk to any women right now looking as fat-faced as this

Posted by: Tom84

Dont worry too much about the bloat bro its only noticeable to you. Good to hear your gains whats the total change in weight so far.

anywayz looks like its goingreat keep it up mate

Posted by: Du

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Originally Posted by young d

another day, another dollar..

today was legs, workout went well considering my legs were pretty tired from last night, key lifts:
squats: 8x90kg (up from 10x80kg)
calf raises: 35x35kg

weight was up again this morning, only about by half a pound today but that isn't bad considering i was working (instead of resting) last night, and slept in all morning

dbol bloat is getting pretty bad, i'm not sure if i could put up with it worsening, i looked pretty bad at work last night, i was aware that my face was pretty puffed up so it didn't help my confidence, which needs to be sky high for this sort of job, i might have to consider running some letro or nolva if the condition continues to worsen, i'm paid to talk to women, but i can't talk to any women right now looking as fat-faced as this

Hey boss,

Lifts lookin solid. The bloat is to be expected with a dbol cycle. Nolva wouldnt do you much good against bloat; its a SERM. Arimidex of Femara would help you very much against the bloat though, as they are AI's. Id suggest that, at least until you get the bloat down.

Cycle is lookin good though, keep it up.

Posted by: Tha Don

today was rest/injection day, the jab didn't go too great, shattered the top of the amp in my hand and got several pieces of glass stuck in my thumb and finger, wasn't nice took me a bit of time to get them out, lot of blood, had to plaster things up and as glass had fallen into the bottom of the amp i decided to chuck it out, thats 3 amps i've lost so far! i guess the more i open the better i will get, but it really stressed me out today, the actual jab didn't go to good, i was just tense and shakey instead of steady and relaxed, blood rushed out and dripped on my bathroom floor, then without even knowing it had dripped on the floor i put my foot in it and got it on my socks, then i tredded it all round my flat, not good!

i don't think i like injections anymore

weighed myself today at 194.4lbs/88.2kg and 15% BF, last sunday morning i was 189.6lbs/86kg and 14.5% BF, so added almoast 5lbs last week, which is nice

its hard to accurately say how much weight i have added so far on this cycle, due to the fact i was on the s1+ when i started, but when i started the s1+ (a week before i started the AS) i was 183.6lbs/83.3kg, and now i'm 194.4lbs/88.2kg, so if you assume that i would have been around the 184lbs mark when i started the AS without the water from the s1+ you are looking at roughly 10lbs so far

so 10lbs in 11 days ain't bad, although most of that is going to be water, i'm more concerned with the weight changes from now on

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by du510

Arimidex of Femara would help you very much against the bloat though, as they are AI's. Id suggest that, at least until you get the bloat down.

yes i'm thinking about running a low dose of femara, my pills are 2.5mg, so i was thinking about splitting them into 4, and running roughly 0.625mg EOD, or could i just say take half a tab the day before work to drop water? i think i remember pirate saying he took some femara after a gyno scare and didn't stop pissing all night, so if its fast acting maybe that would work?

Posted by: tryintogetbig

you look fine int he picture, we are, are own worst critics, the bloat isn't bad. Sorry to hear about the broken amp.

Keep the calories up and lift hard

Posted by: Cardinal

Sorry to make fun, but I can't see how you are breaking so many amps. Are these HCG amps? Then it would make sense. I have popped the top on quite a fair number of AAS oil bottles and never had the slightest problem. It seems like there would be a better way to score the HCG amps. Shouldn't be so physically dangerous opening them!

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Sorry to make fun, but I can't see how you are breaking so many amps. Are these HCG amps? Then it would make sense. I have popped the top on quite a fair number of AAS oil bottles and never had the slightest problem. It seems like there would be a better way to score the HCG amps. Shouldn't be so physically dangerous opening them!

no they are test amps, i was trying to use scissors at first to cut off the tops, that was a poor method, cost me 2 amps, i've had much better luck so far with snapping them off but i think putting too much pressure on the top yesterday (gripping too hard with my thumb and finger) caused it to shatter, in future i'll be putting a cloth/towel over my hand just incase it shatters like that again, but i think i'm starting to get the knack of it, i hear biro lids work well, maybe i'll give that a shot next time if i'm still having problems

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

you look fine int he picture, we are, are own worst critics, the bloat isn't bad. Sorry to hear about the broken amp.

Keep the calories up and lift hard

thanks, i'm upping the cals slightly futher this week, back into bulking teritory now

Posted by: Pirate!

Glad to hear things are going well. I broke 1 out of 20 sustanon amps, and I think that is because I heated it too much before popping the top. I always use an amp opener, though. Some people use a plastic pin cap. Just make sure you are holding--not squeezing--the bottom. I think 1/4 of a letro pill the night before work is a good call. The few times I used it, I pissed out 3 pounds of water over night (I always weigh myself first thing in the morning after pissing, so I know my measurements were accurate).

D-bol made me, Luke, and another friend of mine lethargic and sleep more. No question about it. However, some don't get that effect and simply don't believe that anyone else does. The lethargy isn't much--you don't really lose motivation but feel like napping during the day. I went from 7.5 hours of sleep a night to 9.5 while on d-bol, then back to 7.5 after the dbol phase was done.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Glad to hear things are going well. I broke 1 out of 20 sustanon amps, and I think that is because I heated it too much before popping the top. I always use an amp opener, though. Some people use a plastic pin cap. Just make sure you are holding--not squeezing--the bottom. I think 1/4 of a letro pill the night before work is a good call. The few times I used it, I pissed out 3 pounds of water over night (I always weigh myself first thing in the morning after pissing, so I know my measurements were accurate).

D-bol made me, Luke, and another friend of mine lethargic and sleep more. No question about it. However, some don't get that effect and simply don't believe that anyone else does. The lethargy isn't much--you don't really lose motivation but feel like napping during the day. I went from 7.5 hours of sleep a night to 9.5 while on d-bol, then back to 7.5 after the dbol phase was done.

yeah totally feel you on the sleep issue, i'm experiencing a lot of lethargy and tiredness, i'm still pretty motivated, just like to put my head down before i go and do anything lol

the amp opening has proved to be a real problem so far, i've got 1 amp left (i broke 3 and the rest of my stash is at home, of course i'm not going home for another 2 weeks, so i've got some more on the way), if i break this amp tomorrow that means i won't be able to jab, so i'm pretty nervous about opening it, i'm just gonna score around the whole neck for about 5 mins, put a t-shirt over my hand and hope for the best! might try the biro lid actually if i can find one somewhere

in regards to the letro i might take 1/4 pill tomorrow, then again on friday, i wouldn't want to drop water thurs night and then have it come back on me by friday evening, hence i'd rather take a dose on friday, so maybe i'll do weds and fri or even thurs and fri, to try and drop as much water as possible, i'll also run taraxatone on thrus and fri (3 caps thurs, 6 caps fri) to try and lose some more water from that, hopefully this fri i'll be looking much leaner

have any of you tried proviron before? apparently its good at preventing bloat i don't know all that much about it, as i already have the letro i'll prob stick with that, but it might be something to consider in the future?

my arse is still sore from that shot on sunday (not the muscle, but the actual spot where i jabbed), feels like i took a shot from lennox, proper bruised feeling, i think it is because when i put the needle in and was ready to push the plunger down and inject the oil i couldn't get a good grasp on the end with my hand, it was at an awkward position, so i tried to rotate the needle while it was inside me... BAD IDEA! like i said the bleeding was ridiculous after that shot, the shot seemed to go great, just a lot of blood and very sore afterwards, so it must be down to that, i've learnt my lesson and i certainly won't be doing that again

Posted by: Tha Don

today was chest day, workout was good, best workout i've had in a while, felt pretty agressive and ready to hit the weights hard, and i did! key lifts:
bench press: 6x105kg (up from 8x100kg)
incline d/b press: 10x35kg (up from 8x35kg)
flys: 9x25kg (up from 8x25kg)

Posted by: Tha Don

lats and traps