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Posted by: John H.

I am a Sexual human being. I love people. Men and Women. Those I TRULY CARE about I like it if we each agree to also have a Sexual relationship. ONLY if we both agree and feel it is right for both of us.

People will say "I am Gay", I am "BiSexual", I am "Straight", etc. I feel the labels are not CONstructive but DEstructive. To all. I feel people NEED to BE who they TRULY ARE - HONESTLY. Honestly with themselves and it SHOULD BE that they can be honestly with others WHO CARE ABOUT THEM.

Yes others NEED to know if someone they like is Heterosexual, BiSexual or Homosexual. But knowing that should NEVER DAMN someone with others. Each is a completely natural variation of Humanity. Intended!

The "Gay" business, the "Straight" business, etc. is ALL DEstructive. And can be damning. And damns Humanity.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

yet another one john. isnt this like kicking the proverbial "dead horse"?

just let it die already. we dont give a damn that your gay.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

yet another one john. isnt this like kicking the proverbial "dead horse"?

just let it die already. we dont give a damn that your gay.

Johh H. Post Checklist:

mention that he is gay CHECK
randomly capitalize words CHECK
take shot at religion OPPS!

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Johh H. Post Checklist:

mention that he is gay CHECK
randomly capitalize words CHECK
take shot at religion OPPS!

give him a sec to warm up. the anti-religion fiasco is his grand finish on this thread me thinks

Posted by: TriZZle305

lol john is WEIRD.. hows that for DEstructive

Posted by: Twigz

I really dont care what you are, but I do have a question. What purpose does homosexual sex serve?

Posted by: mervin

There is nothing natural about homosexuality. Nature and human anatomy testifies against the practice of homosexuality. It is against nature.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Twigz

I really dont care what you are, but I do have a question. What purpose does homosexual sex serve?

Hi Twigz,

My purpose for saying I am Sexual is that I feel all people are, period! The labels that have been created to "attach" to individuals I feel promotes hatred, bigotry, misunderstanding, etc.

Like anything else in life each thing has a purpose(s) and meaning(s). You could even ask "what purpose do trees or insects or salt water, etc." serve. Everything in life has a purpose and a meaning. The MORE you read and the more you question about anything the better your UNDERSTANDING will be about whatever. In Sex it is VERY IMPORTANT to UNDERSTAND ALL ASPECTS of it. It is a very basic subject all human beings need to know about. What is "right" - or not - for each person should be based on a thorough knowledge of Sex in all its forms that way you can make your best decisions about whatever and have a much better UNDERSTANDING about Sex and Sexuality.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

There is nothing natural about homosexuality. Nature and human anatomy testifies against the practice of homosexuality. It is against nature.

Hi Mervin,

You could not be MORE WRONG.

Each of the Sexualities - Heterosexuality, Bisexuality and Homosexuality ARE COMPLETELY NATURAL and do exist in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings are a part whether they agree, disagree, not accept, accept, etc. IT IS A FACT. And always have.

In order to UNDERSTAND that you MUST do some reading on the subject from all aspects. The more you learn the better you will understand.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: Twigz

That is not what I asked Johnny. Plain and simple....what purpose does homosexual intercourse serve?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by Twigz

That is not what I asked Johnny. Plain and simple....what purpose does homosexual intercourse serve?

I would only assume that if you like men homosexual intercourse would serve the purpose to get off. I am sure the gay men of this world don't fuck each other for no satisfaction. A straight guy may not see the pleasure in being with another man, and that is fine.

Why does a straight man have intercourse with a woman...what purpose does that serve? EXACTLY!

Different strokes for different folks....don't hate on people for their sexuality. (religion, gender, or race for that matter)

IMO if people do good by me I could give a fuck about any of that stuff...I will treat them just as good. Didn't your mother ever tell you to "treat others the way you would like to be treated".

Posted by: Twigz

Did anyone see me mention that I hatted homosexuals? I did not think so.
I strongly believe in treating other as you wish to be treated. Don't assume things that are not stated. I do not care where, or what john sticks his dick in. I was just asking a question.

Male/female sex can result in children, and the furtherment of mankind. What purpose, besides self gratification, does homosexual intercourse serve.

Posted by: mervin

Different strokes for different folks....don't hate on people for their sexuality. (religion, gender, or race for that matter)

This is part of the problem. As soon as some one says homosexuality is wrong.....all of a sudden they are hatemongers, attacking homosexuals, bigots, homophobic, etc.

I think homosexuality is 100% wrong and people that are homosexual have serious issues in their lives. I think the same about alcoholics and other people....that does not mean I hate them.

And one more time, homosexuality is no more natural and normal than an elephant mating with a tiger or two male dogs falling in love with each other. The media and liberal television has slowly spoon fed the American people the idea that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle. I do not believe America is half as pro-homosexual as the media makes her out to be.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Twigz

That is not what I asked Johnny. Plain and simple....what purpose does homosexual intercourse serve?

Hi Twigz,

If you really want to know and understand - but not necessarily "accept" for yourself - you (meaning anyone here) must start reading on the subject and consider all viewpoints. With an open mind, objectively.

If you are trying to say that the ONLY reason for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE is the procreation of human beings that certainly is one reason and if one Male and one Female so engage the end result COULD BE a child depending on the health of each individual involved. But it is not the only reason. This of course is not possible - as far as I have any information on and as far as anyone knows to date - NOT possible with two people of the same Gender. But being Sexually involved with someone - regardless of their Gender - does NOT mean that they must LIMIT themselves to ONLY Sexual Intercourse for the procreation of Human Beings. Sex, in ALL its aspects, has many meanings and many purposes and is certainly varied, naturally so. Comfort, companionship, love, intimacy, understanding each other especially in a physical manner, caring about each other, sharing life with each other, communication, etc.

Read to begin to understand about Sexuality: SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE, both by Dr. Alfred Kinsey and Associates; FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke; BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl. These are certainly not the only books to read however they are a good start. Continue from these and consider all viewpoints on the subject. Look at the bibliographies in any book you read and see the sources of information and look at those as well.

The more you read the better understanding you will have if done objectively without preconceived notions and prejudices. The books I mentioned above are NOT a waste of anyone's time and are all very well written. But do not stop with just these - see more - there is a lot to see and to understand.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Hi Trojan,

AND, not all people who are Homosexual or BiSexual engage in Sexual intercourse. (That is Anal intercourse). There are Heterosexual people who engage in Anal intercourse and feel this experience is fine for them - but not all. Many find other avenues for intimacy and caring. As with anyone, some do and some do not - the same applies to whatever a person's Sexual Orientation may be - they each do what is "right" for them. But the variety - variation - is provided for all by Nature naturally so. It is up to each individual and each who agree to be with each other to find what is "right" and satisfying and fulfilling for them.

"Getting off" is not the only reason for being sexually involved with others either. There is much more to it. Yes there are those who ONLY have THIS aspect in mind and nothing more too.

From what I understand with regard to religion - and something that is basic with "religion" (at least Christianity) - is that when God appeared to Moses - the only time when He actually did appear to any Human Being we are told - He DID NOT WANT people worshiping Him - He wanted people to treat each other as they would want to be treated by others - at least kindly. That is supposed to be God's greatest commandment. The most important. And with regard to Sex - God and Christ - THEMSELVES - NEVER SAID ONE WORD EVER - THEMSELVES - about Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality being wrong in and of themselves. NEVER. Surely Christ, who was on this earth we are told for 32 years, had the time to say something but NEVER DID - NOT ONE WORD - HIMSELF. He is said to have said a lot about other subjects. Surely He did not "forget" to mention it.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

Different strokes for different folks....don't hate on people for their sexuality. (religion, gender, or race for that matter)

This is part of the problem. As soon as some one says homosexuality is wrong.....all of a sudden they are hatemongers, attacking homosexuals, bigots, homophobic, etc.

I think homosexuality is 100% wrong and people that are homosexual have serious issues in their lives. I think the same about alcoholics and other people....that does not mean I hate them.

And one more time, homosexuality is no more natural and normal than an elephant mating with a tiger or two male dogs falling in love with each other. The media and liberal television has slowly spoon fed the American people the idea that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle. I do not believe America is half as pro-homosexual as the media makes her out to be.

Hi Mervin,

The hate has its origins in "religion" - that is what is taught and learned. And people's "jumping on the band-wagon" and doing - "'everybody' does it"... And people's lack of any truthful accurate knowledge about Sexuality objectively obtained. Ignorance and even stupidity (stupidity being even though a person KNOWS better they still go against what IS truthful).

Homosexuality IS natural - as is Heterosexuality and BiSexuality. Each DO exist in Nature and the natural world and always have. To say for example that Homosexuality is not natural is NOT TRUE AT ALL.

What is "normal"? I can say it is "normal" for the sun to come up every day even though we may not see it because of cloud cover... If you mean that by "normal" many people are Heterosexual that too would not be true because even with "Heterosexually identified people" there IS VARIATION. Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality are LABELS applied to people for "convenience" but do not reflect how people REALLY ARE because even within a certain Sexual Orientation there ARE VARIATIONS. Very few people are TOTALLY Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual. Homosexual people can procreate, that is, if they are with one Man and one Woman they can procreate - bring a new life into this world - and then go back to doing as they always have sexually speaking the only difference being that for one time they engaged in sex with the opposite sex for procreation purposes. So a Homosexual person can and does have the equipment to procreate with another of the opposite sex.

You mention the media. Have you forgotten that what YOUR outlook is with regard to someone who may be Homosexual IS WHAT YOU WERE SPOON-FED?

"Religion" IS VERY MUCH INVOLVED in brainwashing its followers. BIGTIME. With regard to Sex especially very little of what is postuated by "religion" is based on FACTS AS THEY TRULY ARE.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: gr81

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There is nothing natural about homosexuality. Nature and human anatomy testifies against the practice of homosexuality. It is against nature.

just to play devils advocate here, to say something is against nature is no reason to condemn it. thinkk about how manythings us humans do every single day, every hour, every minute that is "against nature" as you put it. Driving cars is against nature is it not, lifting weights to increase muscle mass is against nature definately, nature did not intend us to be muscular, watching TV, being on the internet, did nature put us here to chat with each other on a computer? Look the thought of Gay men having sex makes me want to vomit, but its someone elses decision. what teh fucc business is it of your to say its wrong. Men and women do not have sex purely to procreate btw, and by asking what purpose it serevs is foolish. Unless you have only had sex in an instance of procreation and thats it, you can't talk. With that being said, John is still creepy for starting this thread

Posted by: Twigz

I can and I did. Why would that be foolish it’s a question? Sure sex in any way is going to bring pleasure, but in totality of things homosexuality serves no purpose. Males made with the key and women with the lock, for the ultimate purpose of creating new persons.

I never said that women and men only have sex to create children, and never said that it was wrong, unnatural, etc. Like I said I don't care where you, or anyone want to stick your things. That is a personal choice, and as long as you don't force it on others do what you will.

Posted by: Todd_

Im with you brotheur

a hole is a hole!

Posted by: J'Bo

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Originally Posted by John H.

John.

Dont get me wrong i dont dislike any person..unless they give me a reason too. But salt water and trees do play an important function in our environment and natural balance one is thrown off and we are out of balance.

So come up with a better repsonse then that, i know you have it in you (from some of your comments made to me previously).

Personally people who have sex without the intention of pro-creating (hetero or homo) do not serve a function other than personal satisfaction. Simply because homosexuals cannot pro-create does not mean that they should not exist, in my opinion. It must be hard to deal with people that do not condon homosexuality however it is something that you are ALWAYS going to have to deal with because of religion. If religion condoned homosexual behaviour then there would still be ignorant people in the world to combat homosexuality.

The only thing i am prejudice against is ignorance.

Personally i think that "gay pride day" is a crock of shit though. (just to start an argument). I know that some people say that "heterosexuals get to celebrate everyday" but i dont really think we celebrate we just live and dont seperate ourselves. If everyone just saw themselves as PEOPLE; not gods, homosexuals, indians, jews, women, etc we would be much better off.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by J'Bo

John.

Dont get me wrong i dont dislike any person..

I'm cold, I have a list, and when you're are on that list, you've got problems

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

just because it happens in nature does not mean that it is acceptable for humans. to think and act as such is surely a falacy propagated by ignorants who dont understand the inherint differences between humans and animals.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Twigz

Male/female sex can result in children, and the furtherment of mankind. What purpose, besides self gratification, does homosexual intercourse serve.

i might add that the self gratification is momentary and once passed the individual is left reduced.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Johh H. Post Checklist:

mention that he is gay CHECK
randomly capitalize words CHECK
take shot at religion OPPS!

told you he would get to the religion

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Twigz

I can and I did. Why would that be foolish it’s a question? Sure sex in any way is going to bring pleasure, but in totality of things homosexuality serves no purpose. Males made with the key and women with the lock, for the ultimate purpose of creating new persons.

I never said that women and men only have sex to create children, and never said that it was wrong, unnatural, etc. Like I said I don't care where you, or anyone want to stick your things. That is a personal choice, and as long as you don't force it on others do what you will.

Hi Twigz,

It's time to LAUGH!!!!

Did I ever tell you I am a LOCKSMITH? I can UNlock ANYTHING!!!

I'm sorry, I HAAAAADDD TOOOOO!!!!

Sex in any way WILL bring pleasure. Sex is NOT just for "procreation" - it IS multifaceted and multifunctional. And VARIED just as with anything else in life.

If the ONLY reason for Sex was procreation EACH MAN WOULD BE THE FATHER OF MILLIONS OF CHILDREN - HOW THE HELL WOULD THE WORLD hold all those people and - to "laugh" again - how would the Courts keep track of all that money for support and how would the Man be able to pay it and support ALL his children - and what about the wife - She WOULD BE beat the hell and DEAD from having all those children!!!!!

You speak of "forcing" - here's the thing: "religious" types FORCE their VIEWS on others ESPECIALLY when it comes to Homosexuality. God - HIMSELF - and Christ - HIMSELF - NEVER EVER SAID ONE WORD about Homosexuality being wrong in some way - THEY NEVER DID - NOT ONE TIME!!! So, how is it that Man "can say Homosexuality is wrong" when God NEVER DID and Christ NEVER DID. And Christ, we are told, was here on this earth for 32 (THIRTY-TWO) YEARS - Y E A R S - and NEVER did He say ONE WORD about it being wrong!!!

EACH individual sees life differently and IS AN INDIVIDUAL and born AS GOD INTENDED them to BE. And ARE ABSOLUTELY ENTITLED TO LIVE THEIR LIFE. And enjoy ALL ASPECTS of it.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Twigz,

It's time to LAUGH!!!!

Did I ever tell you I am a LOCKSMITH? I can UNlock ANYTHING!!!

I'm sorry, I HAAAAADDD TOOOOO!!!!

Jesus did say that man should not lay with man. But I don't believe in God so I could give a sh-t what that person said. I have gay friends and straight friends, and I don't care what any of them are doing with there sex life.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by J'Bo

Hi J'Bo,

I was using the salt water, etc. thing as an example and to be short about the answer because there ARE THOSE who DO NOT LIKE salt water, etc. AND probably "think" there is no reason for it too. I was trying to simplify the answer.

My reason for starting this thread is because someone else started one about being Gay. I HATE LABELING PEOPLE. To me a LABEL ONLY PROMOTES HATRED AND BIGOTRY. NOT UNDERSTANDING of a subject even though you may or may not agree with it or accept it (you meaning anyone here)...

"Personal satisfaction" and "personal gratification" IS a "function" too - ANOTHER "function". Nuts on nut trees have a "function" - many would say to "procreate" but NOT ALL NUTS become a tree and each tree can have THOUSANDS of nuts. What would happen if each nut on each nut tree became a tree? While you or I may not readily understand the function of nuts from a tree there are more reasons and purposes than just making other trees....

Homosexual people (the labeling of a person here) CAN PROCREATE as long as when they are doing that they are with one person who is of the opposite Sex. It happens all the time. TWO HOMOSEXUAL people - that is TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE MALE for example - CAN NOT - at least as far as anyone knows to date - cause the birth of another Human Being WHILE HAVING SEX WITH EACH OTHER. It takes one Male and One Female and that is no guarantee a child will be born either. It depends on the health of both individuals. And the child as a result of that intercourse...

I am against STUPIDITY. People can be ignorant and for good reason. But STUPIDITY is not "excusable" - a person can make a "stupid mistake" but BEING STUPID about a subject is INTOLERABLE.

The Gay Pride thing I understand - I do not "participate" in that myself though. These individuals are trying to be "visible" - that is, trying to SHOW their NUMBERS - that THERE ARE A LOT - and their need and desire to LIVE LIFE just as anyone else who is not BiSexual or Homosexual CAN without any interference or prejudice or bigotry... If your basic rights were not "allowed" or you (meaning anyone) were not "permitted" to do the things MANY can without interference, etc. you too would be upset and WANT to voice that.

I AGREE with you - each person is entitled to LIVE life. We are ALL PEOPLE - Human Beings - each with their individual likes and dislikes and needs and desires.... I HATE LABELING people. Or being labeled.

Human Beings ARE SEXUAL - I AM SEXUAL. Period.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I'm cold, I have a list, and when you're are on that list, you've got problems

Hi Dale,

What is that supposed to mean?

You and I can disagree on whatever - what is it you are trying to say?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Bio:

"Acceptable for humans"? WHO makes that determination? YOU? The Pope? Your "neighbor" who may be a garbage collector? WHO give you (meaning anyone here) that "authority"?

You can NOT change what IS. And what IS in Nature and the Natural World AS INTENDED. Human Beings ARE a part of Nature and the Natural World.

I am well aware of the difference between Humans and Animals - and I can tell you ANIMALS treat each other MUCH BETTER that Humans DO.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

i might add that the self gratification is momentary and once passed the individual is left reduced.

Bio:

For someone who is going to college to learn about Chemistry and Biology I really have to wonder...

Gratification CAN BE momentary BUT IT ALSO CAN BE LONG LASTING AND MEANINGFUL. And how is it you think "once passed the individual is left reduced"? When I am with someone I am TRULY HAPPY and REMEMBER LONG AFTER and CARE about others LONG AFTER. How am I (meaning anyone here) "reduced"?

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

told you he would get to the religion

Bio:

IF you will actually READ what I post and UNDERSTAND IT you will see that I am responding to what someone else said. And brought up.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Hi Foreman,

You are quoting the words of MAN - NOT Jesus. Jesus HIMSELF NEVER SAID and neither did God - EVER.

I feel that what two people agree to do or not is entirely up to them and no one elses business AS LONG AS EACH PERSON IS OF AGE AND ABILITY OF CONSENT AND GIVE THAT CONSENT FREELY.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

really? so by your estimation when a male lion kills the offspring of a rival so the lioness will get pregnant with his child instead a lot faster, that should be ok for humans as well? at least by your estimation right? it is not an individual that must decide, but society must decide what is acceptable regardless of it happening in the animal kingdom. and idealy it would be society as a whole choosing to follow the guidlines GOD has set forth.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by John H.

In Leviticus 18; 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
Like I said I do not believe in God, but if you do believe the bible this quote is in it.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

Bio:

IF you will actually READ what I post and UNDERSTAND IT you will see that I am responding to what someone else said. And brought up.

John H.

maybe if you read what you were writing you would understand what you write is assinine. i never said you were the one to bring it up i just said you would get to it. reread yourself

Posted by: mervin

Sex is intended for pleasure also. There is no doubt about that. But sex was created to be shared between 1 man and 1 women within the bounds of marriage. As I already stated, even the anatomy of the human body shows what is normal and what is not. Homosexual sex in not normal human behavior.

By the way, the bible ( God and Jesus ) has a lot to say about the subject of homosexuality.

Please let me in on which animals are gay?

John H. ...do you even lift weights? Are you a real person or are you an Internet character trying to always keep a homosexual debate going.

Posted by: mervin

Ps 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Deut 22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

1 Cor 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Rom 1:26-27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by mervin

Ps 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

Deut 22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

1 Cor 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Rom 1:26-27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Those are great quotes, I could only come up with one. But of course the Bible is only a work of fiction.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

But of course the Bible is only a work of fiction.

Posted by: J'Bo

John.

You are more intelligent than i thought. My first impression of you wasnt positive but your alright in my books. All the best to you and your quest to make people understand.

Jenny.

Posted by: J'Bo

By the way...I am sexual too

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

In Leviticus 18; 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
Like I said I do not believe in God, but if you do believe the bible this quote is in it.

Hi Foreman,

Like I said, you are quoting MAN - NOT GOD - NOT CHRIST. IN THEIR OWN WORDS - THEM SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES IN THEIR WORDS which is NOT REFLECTED here as you quote.

The Bible was written BY MEN - OVER 40 - and over a long period of time. The Bible did not even exist until long after the death of Christ. The New Testament was not even written until about 200 or so years AFTER the death of Christ - who remembers ACCURATELY anything said even the DAY BEFORE?
The Old Testament is nothing more than the old Jewish law books.

The Bible is a collection of literature, short stories, poems, essays, prose, probably even fiction, etc. WRITTEN BY MEN. Human Beings.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Bio:

I know you said you were going to college.

Seriously:

You are wasting the time of your Professors - and yours. Quit. You do not have the ability to LEARN. I think you would be more successful as a machine that punches out parts by the millions - you are successful ONLY at being programmed and at having tunnel vision and being NON-objective and bigoted.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

maybe if you read what you were writing you would understand what you write is assinine. i never said you were the one to bring it up i just said you would get to it. reread yourself

Bio:

Quit. You have no ability. Become a machine and punch out millions of parts - you will be happy doing the same thing day in and day out and will not have to THINK.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

Sex is intended for pleasure also. There is no doubt about that. But sex was created to be shared between 1 man and 1 women within the bounds of marriage. As I already stated, even the anatomy of the human body shows what is normal and what is not. Homosexual sex in not normal human behavior.

By the way, the bible ( God and Jesus ) has a lot to say about the subject of homosexuality.

Please let me in on which animals are gay?

John H. ...do you even lift weights? Are you a real person or are you an Internet character trying to always keep a homosexual debate going.

Hi Mervin,

Homosexual Sex is just as "normal" as Heterosexual Sex and BiSexual Sex. Each is a part of the variety of life as with anything else. Variety that exists in ALL things in life INCLUDING Sex.

NO, the Bible is the words of MAN - over 40 - and written over a long period of time. BY MEN. It is a collection of literature - essays, poems, prose, fiction, etc. And is ONE book of ONE "religion" - RELIGION IS MAN MADE. God - HIMSELF - and Christ - HIMSELF - NEVER SAID ONE WORD EVER - PERIOD. You can NOT change what IS FACT. They NEVER - THEMESELVES - DID. EVER.

As for animals: read: BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press) - about 800 pages of facts with regard to Homosexuality in animals.

Marriage IS man-made. Study the history of it.

Do I lift weights? YES!! ABSOLUTELY!!! And I STAY WITH IT!!! It is the KEY to the life of any Man who TRULY WANTS TO LIVE LIFE as intended!!!

As long as "religion" and "religious people" keep shoving their aggendas down the throats of others as THEY DO I will respond with the OTHER sides of the picture WITH FACTS AS THEY ARE IN LIFE - NOT FICTION. "Religion" is the BUSINESS - they DO collect money and if possible, property. And they brainwash people.

Remember when you criticize me, I have NO USE for "religion" which is MAN- MADE. I believe in a "Higher Power", God, "Great Siprit", Whoever you wish to term Him. To me there is a TREMENDOUS VOID between God and "religion".

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

your limited understanding is extremely flawed. do some RESEARCH with that OPEN MIND you are so famous for before you go spouting off your incorrect understanding and show off your undeniable ignorance.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

Hi Mervin,

Thanks, for the words OF MEN. These are NOT the words of God. He is NOT the author of these statements. The Bible really is a POLITICAL book. If you look at it closely you will see that.

Look at the area where the Bible has its origins. Study closely what happened and happens in this area of the world.

I have no problem with God - I DO WITH "religion". It is nothing more than politics.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

and your an authority on........? absolutely nothing. someone thinks my education is worthwhile because i just got offered a really good paying job to come work for them after i graduate.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by J'Bo

John.

You are more intelligent than i thought. My first impression of you wasnt positive but your alright in my books. All the best to you and your quest to make people understand.

Jenny.

Hi Jenny,

Thanks.

Most people just "accept" what they are TOLD and never check out anything for its accuracy, validity, truthfulness, etc. THEMSELVES. Most people are just followers - THEY put themselves in that position. Human Beings were born to be individuals they are but most abdicate that because it's "easier".

Many seem to like to be brainwashed too. I think it comes from people's wanting DESPERATELY to be "accepted" by others so most just follow or they would feel "left out"... and alone. "Religion" and politics prey on this fact.

Most people lack UNDERSTANDING much of anything.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by J'Bo

By the way...I am sexual too

Hi Jenny,

How do you like Australia?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I stand completey by what I have said. It IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Jenny,

Most people lack UNDERSTANDING much of anything.

Take Care, John H.

damn john isnt that an extremely negative and pesimistic view of the world and the people who inhabit it? im sorry that you have had such a troubled life that it has tainted the way you view your fellow man.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

and your an authority on........? absolutely nothing. someone thinks my education is worthwhile because i just got offered a really good paying job to come work for them after i graduate.

Bio:

The proof will be in what you actually accomplish and how. And your contributions to life.

Many people are in good paying jobs and do absolutely nothing - especially constructive and beneficial. They just exist and suck off life. And bullshit others.

John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

I stand completey by what I have said. It IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

of course you do. you have so completly indoctrinated yourself in your own misunderstandings that your make believe house would come crashing down around you if you were to acknowlege the truth that is standing before your eyes.

by the way john, if it happens in nature does that mean it is acceptable behaivior for humans?

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Bio:

The evidence of what I have said is all around you. LOOK and SEE for yourself.

Yes, there are GOOD people too.

My life is not "troubled" at all nor "tainted" as you would like to believe. Perhaps that is why you are so upset.

I am VERY HAPPY - perhaps that is why you are so upset.

John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

for once i agree. time will tell john. time will tell

Posted by: bio-chem

john im hardly upset.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by John H.

If you actually read my quote you would see that I am just quoting a book. As I have said twice I don't believe the bible is anything more than a fictional writing.

Posted by: mervin

John H...I have not attacked you one time. Just because i believe you are 100% wrong and living in a world of denial, that does not mean I am attacking you. It seems that you have a " everyone's out to get me " complex. A human being can believe anything is right and keep searching around until they find a " study " that supports their opinion. If I say that drug abuse is wrong, does that mean I am a hate monger, attacking drug addicts and preaching hate.

What the homosexual community does is in essence, attack anyone that says homosexuality is wrong by calling them homophobic, intolerant, propagating hate, etc.

Just because church going people say that homosexuality is wrong.....all of a sudden they are preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that adultery is wrong and has a negative effect on society and the family, are the preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that stealing is wrong, is that attacking the midnight burglar? I come from a religious background and have not ever heard a church preach hate toward homosexuals. Yes, there are some freaks like the " preacher " that goes around carrying signs that say " God hates fags", but that is an extreme. Just because you have standards and principles in your life and do not agree with something does not mean you hate.

John H, I know many church people that would help you, feed you, be your friend, but not for one second agree with or condone your lifestyle. Is that hate? I don't think so. I know people that have come out of the homosexual lifestyle that were adamant homosexuals and activists and saying the same things you are saying. But in the end, they said it was all an effort to try and make themselves believe that homosexuality was a normal lifestyle. And the truth was that they were hurting on the inside, full of problems and pains and trying to make themselves believe a lie.

I do not believe that anyone is born homosexual. I tend to agree with Little Richie, he said no one is born gay, it's contagious and he caught it when at 10 when his uncle molested him. Probably 99% of all gay people experienced sexual abuse by the person of the same sex in their childhood, had an abusive Father or a dominated, rule the roost mama.

I really get tired of people of traditional standards and principle being attacked as homophobic, hatemongers and intolerant because people are insecure and trying to make themselves believe a lie.

Posted by: bio-chem

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by mervin

John H...I have not attacked you one time. Just because i believe you are 100% wrong and living in a world of denial, that does not mean I am attacking you. It seems that you have a " everyone's out to get me " complex. A human being can believe anything is right and keep searching around until they find a " study " that supports their opinion. If I say that drug abuse is wrong, does that mean I am a hate monger, attacking drug addicts and preaching hate.

What the homosexual community does is in essence, attack anyone that says homosexuality is wrong by calling them homophobic, intolerant, propagating hate, etc.

Just because church going people say that homosexuality is wrong.....all of a sudden they are preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that adultery is wrong and has a negative effect on society and the family, are the preaching and teaching hate? If someone says that stealing is wrong, is that attacking the midnight burglar? I come from a religious background and have not ever heard a church preach hate toward homosexuals. Yes, there are some freaks like the " preacher " that goes around carrying signs that say " God hates fags", but that is an extreme. Just because you have standards and principles in your life and do not agree with something does not mean you hate.

John H, I know many church people that would help you, feed you, be your friend, but not for one second agree with or condone your lifestyle. Is that hate? I don't think so. I know people that have come out of the homosexual lifestyle that were adamant homosexuals and activists and saying the same things you are saying. But in the end, they said it was all an effort to try and make themselves believe that homosexuality was a normal lifestyle. And the truth was that they were hurting on the inside, full of problems and pains and trying to make themselves believe a lie.

I do not believe that anyone is born homosexual. I tend to agree with Little Richie, he said no one is born gay, it's contagious and he caught it when at 10 when his uncle molested him. Probably 99% of all gay people experienced sexual abuse by the person of the same sex in their childhood, had an abusive Father or a dominated, rule the roost mama.

I really get tired of people of traditional standards and principle being attacked as homophobic, hatemongers and intolerant because people are insecure and trying to make themselves believe a lie.

Last time I checked the homosexuals had not killed or oppressed all that oppose them throughout history, unfortunately Religion has. The hate and non acceptance most Religions have for those who disagree with them is unparalleled by any other group in history.

Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by John H.

What purpose does tress have? I'm not even gonna there. I'll just say where do u think your oxygen come from u DUMB ASS! I DO NOT LIKE HOMOS

Posted by: J'Bo

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Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Jenny,

How do you like Australia?

Take Care, John H.

4 more days until we move. I am expecting to fall in love with Australia as soon as I get off the plane though.

(this is going to upset alot of friends of mine)
I have to agree with you in that alot of people tend to cling to religion because they are lost and feel a need to be accepted. My mother is one of them. If that is what makes her happy then I am fine with that. Everyone copes with hardships in their own way and some choose to pray or go to the house of God. I accept all people for who they are not what they are. Some religions exclude people and thus I choose not to attend church myself.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by mervin

There is nothing natural about homosexuality. Nature and human anatomy testifies against the practice of homosexuality. It is against nature.

I am straight and see nothing wrong with such a title, which John H. may have a problem with - but homosexuality exists through all of nature. We had someone post an article about a duck who screwed another male duck, that was dead. So we have a homosexual necrophiliac duck that was screwing the other duck, who was dead, for around 45 minutes. All observed and recorded.

The number of species involved in homosexual acts that has been recorded is something over 1000.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Twigz

That is not what I asked Johnny. Plain and simple....what purpose does homosexual intercourse serve?

Satisfaction for those who desire homosexual intercourse. Duh???

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Twigz

Male/female sex can result in children, and the furtherment of mankind.

But thankfully most of the time it doesn't due to birth control methods, thank goodness!

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What purpose, besides self gratification, does homosexual intercourse serve.

So now you are changing the question? The question was already answered, why does it have to serve two purposes? It doesn't.

Why do people gamble? What purpose does it serve? THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

Why do people drink? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

Posted by: god hand

John H, what u do not understand being gay is wrong, religiously and naturally. DID U EVER TAKE THE TIME TO THINK THAT IF EVERYBODY WAS GAY ON THIS PLANET THE WORLD WOULD END FOR THE HUMAN SPECIES!

Posted by: gr81

did you take the time to think that if everyone was religious it would be the end of the species.. you sounds like a little child

Posted by: god hand

Damn near everybody is! So WTF are u talking about?

Posted by: TriZZle305

I wonder how long this thread will go on..

it seems like noone is going to give on their personal views so its going nowhere.. lol but it seems like its gonna be going nowhere for a long time..

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

There are so many straight people out there that reproduce that shouldn't....they should have been made gay or been castrated at birth.

On the flip side of that coin I have met some very awesome gay people that are brilliant and its a shame they will not reproduce.

Bottom line is the fucked up straight people that never should have reproduced is probably what cause their offspring to become gay.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by god hand

Damn near everybody is! So WTF are u talking about?

I would venture, that nearly everyone who claims to be a person of faith, is full of shit. Many will readily admit they go to church for weddings, and occasionally holidays, and no more.

That is not a person of faith.

Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Yeah your right.

80-90% of the people claiming to be religous is full of shit! Thats one reason I dont go to church. The best people I met in my life did not go to church, yet I could trust them the most. You just dont know how much this PISSES ME OFF!!!!

Posted by: Nick+

'Going to church no more makes you a christian than sleeping in your garage makes you a car'

Garrison Keillor, 1942- (American Broadcaster)

Just saw that in my diary.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Mudge

i completyly disagree. i find most people to be good upstanding individuals who are trying to live good lives the best they can. sure you have people that say they are religious and dont go to church, and you have people who go to church yet live lives that are bad examples of what Christianity is supposed to represent, but that doesnt mean religion is a horrible thing and we should get rid of it all together. Christianity is imperfect people trying to follow a perfect example. stop using other peoples trials and difficulties as basis for not trying to live it yourselves. (this last comment is meant to be a broad statement and not directed directly at mudge or anyone else in general......ok maybe a little towards john h, but not one else.)

Posted by: Nick+

There is a 'born again Christian' (Dentist-but not my dentist)down the road who is English. His wife is the same way. I've never met a weirder couple. 'Sincere' but just a little over the top in their 'sincerety'. But look into their eyes and there's that unhinged look, a slight flame of madness.

I'm sure not all BAC's are like that.....

Posted by: Twigz

Apply you statment of "I DO IT BECAUSE I WANT TO" to a few more things in life. Just because you "WANT TO" does not mean that it should be done.

Also was you comment of the birth control suppose to be a personal statement to me?

Posted by: gr81

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'Going to church no more makes you a christian than sleeping in your garage makes you a car'

what a great fuccin quote, I love this.. hella funny

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

If you actually read my quote you would see that I am just quoting a book. As I have said twice I don't believe the bible is anything more than a fictional writing.

Hi Foreman,

I went back and re-read your posts. Now I understand what you are saying. Sorry, I see now. I thought you were quoting the Bible as in you "agreed" with what it has to say which is why I said what I said. My mistake.

The Bible was written in an area of the world where people did not have much to do and a lot of time on their hands and with all the heat, humidity, sand blowing everywhere and some people on a power trip.... And to think that this area of the world is "controlling" the rest of the world!!! There has NEVER been a time of peace in the Middle East where people got along with each other - NEVER! And the rest of the world is threatened by these people...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

Hi Mervin,

Some religious people are fine. Many are out of their minds. And have been brainwashed. And ALLOWED themselves to be brainwashed. And are looking for ANY reason to damn someone else to make themselves "feel better about themselves" in the process...

Each of the sexualities is natural, completely so. And they exist in Nature and the Natural World of which Human Beings are a part. And God - HIMSELF - and Christ - HIMSELF - NEVER said one word about any of the Sexualities being wrong in any way. Period. Just as your Heterosexuality is not wrong so too is my BiSexuality not wrong or someone else's Homosexuality is not wrong. Each is a variation as with all things in life. Naturally so.

HOW people treat each other is what makes the difference.

"Religion(s)" is the root - the source - of the hatred and the bigotry, etc. against people who are BiSexual and Homosexual. So if a person is a target from a "religious" person as with anyone else they HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT to defend themselves against those attacks. Doing so with facts that are accurate and truthful is important and necessary. Showing all sides of a subject give a more complete picture of the topic - at least to people who are willing to see things objectively without preconceived notions...

An attack by one person or group of persons requires a defense or even counterattack. Especially if that attack is brought on by those who are using information that is completely false and inaccurate. "Religion" and "religious" people DO THAT ALL THE TIME! And there is the root of the hatred towards others who are the focus of the damning, etc.

How you write what you write sets the tone and causes others who read what you write to understand that in the manner you do that. You are using the Bible and how you were taught by your "religion" and how you learned to make statements about others. And that learning is how you are making those statements. So you are using your sources to criticize others. It is then completely right for someone else who may be a target of what you are saying to put forth information that is contrary to what you are saying to disprove your statements.

Personally, I do not have a "everyone's out to get me complex" - far from that! But I do see what some try to do and what methods they utilize.

Right now, you too are defending yourself and your statements about Homosexuals because you feel they are attacking you. And like-minded people. In essence you are saying it is alright for you to criticize someone else but it is not alright for them to counter that criticism. YOU are saying that Homosexuals are somehow wrong. And you are basing that on what you have learned. THEY are saying that what you learned is NOT true. They are responding to something you (meaning anyone here) are doing. They have that right just as you have the right to say what you say. But now you are complaining that the focus is now turned back onto you.

I consider ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time - objectively and with an open mind. I have no preconceived notions. I do not have tunnel vision as many "religious types" seem to certainly be guilty of.

In "religion" and with "religious peoples" there IS A LOT OF EXTREMISM. Look at their history and present practices. It is all around you. It is blatant.

If "religion" and "religious people" were not so full of hatred and bigotry and misinformation no one would have any cause to complain about it or find fault.

You (meaning anyone here) DO NOT "catch" Homosexuality especially just because you may or may not have been abused as a child - THAT IS FALSE. Did you (and this could be directed to anyone here) "catch" Heterosexuality? So then why do you even remotely think someone can "catch" Homosexuality or BiSexuality? It IS something each person is born with. And each has valid purposes and reasons and meanings.

Those "traditional standards" you speak of are something you LEARNED AND WERE TAUGHT and you "accepted" without going and checking for yourself their validity and truthfulness and accuracy - you just "accepted" something you were told... And because you (meaning anyone like-minded) find comfort in your learning and someone who does not agree with you you now feel a need to object to, you complain. Anyone who is the object of your criticism has a perfect right - and obligation - to counter your criticism. If you (meaning anyone here) can dish it out you should EXPECT to receive what you dish out returned to you.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Hi Foreman,

True!

And it is still going on.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by god hand

What purpose does tress have? I'm not even gonna there. I'll just say where do u think your oxygen come from u DUMB ASS! I DO NOT LIKE HOMOS

god hand:

My reason for using trees as an example is that like anything else in life there is a reason(s) and purpose(s). VARIED!

I am well aware trees provide oxygen - that is NOT the only purpose to be sure.

Your dislike (and I suspect hatred) of Homosexuals is something YOU LEARNED simply stated. And you are obviously comfortable with that hatred and that bigotry and that total misunderstanding.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by J'Bo

Hi Jenny,

A lot of people are "religious" because that is their only source of socialization with other people so they will just accept anything that is said so they can be accepted by others whether they truly agree or not, believe or not. They are TERRIFIED of NON-acceptance by others. "Religion(s)" is a social and a political association of people. Like-minded.

Be careful though in Australia of poisonous animals and plants - in Australia the majority of the world's poisonous animals exist. Why I am not sure. Just learn about them though and be careful. But ENJOY Australia for ALL there IS to enjoy!!! LIVE AND ENJOY LIFE!!!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Hi Mudge,

My objections to LABELS is due to their being used to foster hatred and bigotry. Which is why I said I am Sexual - because PEOPLE ARE SEXUAL. Period.

See the book BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl - it talks about Homosexuality with animals. It received a lot of good reviews.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

John H, what u do not understand being gay is wrong, religiously and naturally. DID U EVER TAKE THE TIME TO THINK THAT IF EVERYBODY WAS GAY ON THIS PLANET THE WORLD WOULD END FOR THE HUMAN SPECIES!

god hand,

You are going off the deep end here.

There IS VARIETY - VARIATION - IN ALL THINGS - for very valid reasons. T H I N K ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!!

Being Gay - or BiSexual - IS NOT wrong at all. It is a part of the NATURAL WORLD and as planned and like EVERYTHING ELSE has VARIED purposes and meanings.

What if everyone on this planet was Heterosexual and EVERY act of Sex was ONLY for PROCREATION? This world would fast self-destruct. Not EVERY Sexual act was EVER meant to ALWAYS BE ONLY for procreation. That is TOTALLY FALSE and very counter to life itself.

John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by Nick+

'Going to church no more makes you a christian than sleeping in your garage makes you a car'

Garrison Keillor, 1942- (American Broadcaster)

Just saw that in my diary.

Hi Nick,

NOW THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE TOTAL TRUTH!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Bio:

I REALLY would like to see this world eradicated of ALL religion, ALL politics and ALL abuse of children - and others as well. At least for 5 minutes and see how much BETTER OFF this world WOULD BE!!!

Certainly if I were the Creator ( and I MOST DEFINITELY AM NOT!!) I would NEVER have created this world with any of the above.

John H.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Foreman,

The Bible was written in an area of the world where people did not have much to do and a lot of time on their hands and with all the heat, humidity, sand blowing everywhere and some people on a power trip....
Take Care, John H.

ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: Nick+

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Originally Posted by gr81

what a great fuccin quote, I love this.. hella funny

Well it's fuccin american who said it too!

Glad you are not all 'born agains' here.

Nick

Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by John H.

Your right. Not every act of sex is meant to have kids. But, u say that being gay has its meanings and purposes? I dont get that at all.

Posted by: mervin

Last post from me on this thread. I for sure have better things to do with my life. One of them being actually working out.

John H., I do not think I have criticized you one time. Just because i say something is wrong does not mean I am criticizing.

I would like to say this: I do believe the bible is the word of God. if you do not believe in the bible, you have no point of reference to base your beliefs about God and the creator. The everyone is just free to let their imaginations run wild and believe what ever they want about God. God can be whoever you want him to be to fit into whatever you want him to. The bible says - This is the day the Lord has made - but when you have nothing to base your belief about God on, then it is - This is the Lord that the day has made :-)

Peace

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by mervin

Last post from me on this thread. I for sure have better things to do with my life. One of them being actually working out.

John H., I do not think I have criticized you one time. Just because i say something is wrong does not mean I am criticizing.

I would like to say this: I do believe the bible is the word of God. if you do not believe in the bible, you have no point of reference to base your beliefs about God and the creator. The everyone is just free to let their imaginations run wild and believe what ever they want about God. God can be whoever you want him to be to fit into whatever you want him to. The bible says - This is the day the Lord has made - but when you have nothing to base your belief about God on, then it is - This is the Lord that the day has made :-)

Peace

Posted by: John H.

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

Your right. Not every act of sex is meant to have kids. But, u say that being gay has its meanings and purposes? I dont get that at all.

Hi god hand,

It is not hard to understand really if you think about it.

EVERYTHING in life has meaning and purpose. Many times we do not UNDERSTAND that because we (meaning most people) do not take the time or the HONEST effort TO UNDERSTAND. Or consider everything from ALL sides of a subject honestly...

To those who would damn people who are born BiSexual or Homosexual I would say take it up with God - WHO MADE ALL OF US. He knows.

Maybe God created BiSexuals and Homosexuals for Men who have bad wives - certainly there are many of those... And maybe He made BiSexuals and Homosexuals to help Men out so they wouldn't have to take the chance to bring new life into this world everytime they needed to be intimate with someone and He didn't want this world overpopulated...

There are probably many many many reasons...

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by mervin

Hi Mervin,

I too work out and see and understand its purpose and meaning and the end results and how important it is for every Man. And Woman.

You are probably one of the FEW who can have a conversation without criticizing or damning. I initially took what you were saying as such though based on what you wrote. And how.

NO WAY will I ever believe that the Bible is the Word of God. It IS the words of Men - over 40 each with their own aggenda.

When someone actually READS and UNDERSTANDS what the Bible has to say you can see what I said above is true because many things stated in the Bible GOD WOULD NEVER HAVE A THING TO DO WITH EVER. Nor would HE say those things.

Personally I do not NEED the Bible to base my belief in God on - God Himself is all I need and His creations. The Bible to me is nothing more than a collection of literature - essays, poems, prose, etc. - even a POLITICAL treatise.

I feel Nature provides many of the answers we all need IF we really take a close look and make the honest effort to UNDERSTAND.

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by John H.

If he have a bad wife, then he needs to find another hoe. Nuclear weapons is what gonna keep this world from being overpopulated.

Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by god hand

If he have a bad wife, then he needs to find another hoe. Nuclear weapons is what gonna keep this world from being overpopulated.

Hi god hand,

Nuclear weapons will kill everyone. And everything. How would that help anyone?

As as to "hoe" - the last time I saw one it looked to me as if that would be something a Man could hurt himself on and they are for turning the soil over in a garden...

Now if you mean whore... Male? Or Female?

Take Care, John H.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

that doesnt mean religion is a horrible thing and we should get rid of it all together. Christianity is imperfect people trying to follow a perfect example. stop using other peoples trials and difficulties as basis for not trying to live it yourselves. (this last comment is meant to be a broad statement and not directed directly at mudge or anyone else in general......ok maybe a little towards john h, but not one else.)

Humanity is imperfect, we know this. But I see more half-empty people than half-full, although my perspective maybe just how I was raised. My father was an altar boy, was in the Knights of Columbus when older, and did lots of volunteer work which I did with him. I never once saw my dad physically fight anyone, berate anyone in public, or crack racist/sexist jokes ever. He was always very calm and in control of himself, and frankly a better man than 99% of the people I have ever come into contact with.

Some people live in the word, some people are full of crap.

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