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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
What'chyou talkin' bout ?
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Guess will wait and see
I probably wouldn't even of gone to the doctor if my wife wasn't pestering me all the time 
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
The last couple of Days I have noticed a smoke/ Cigarette smell, even though none are around.
Doing a search on the internet, just scares the crap outta ya, talking about Tumors, Aneurysms, Epilepsy, and Neuro Problems. Anyone experience these? |
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
The last couple of Days I have noticed a smoke/ Cigarette smell, even though none are around.
Doing a search on the internet, just scares the crap outta ya, talking about Tumors, Aneurysms, Epilepsy, and Neuro Problems. Anyone experience these? |
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Originally Posted by Vieope
10 seconds? How long lasted the other ones? Sometimes I got that all day, for at least two days.
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Originally Posted by Super Hulk
That occurs in mental illnesses too. Do a web search on that.
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...ucinations.jsp How old are you ? Do you have any other strange sensations/hallucinations ? Ones that you may not realize are hallucinations ? Me for instance, i use to not use silverware because it tasted like metal. |
( I am sure my wife would vouch different)
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
What'chyou talkin' bout ?
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Welp, my EEG came back and go figure results were normal, so the doctor said
( I am sure my wife would vouch different)Anyway I have been monitoring when they seem to occur, I usually get them when I am sedentary, Go figure of course I am going to notice then. However what I have noticed that seemed of a little more interest, is they occur when I am sleep deprived. |
| sensitivity of a single EEG: 50% (10% -77%). After one or more repeat EEG (incl Sleep deprived), sensitivity rises to 80-90%. Even after several days of continuous recording, small minorities of patients with intractable epilepsy, 2-3%, do not have IEDs detectable on surface recording. This percentage may be higher among patients whose epilepsy is controlled. |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
I think I might have it, at least a damn reasonable explanation.
As you've already noted, its connected to sedentary periods of elevated stress. Read this, keeping in mind that you may have brief periods of what we call anoxia, and also, due to circulatory issues, mildly hyperosmotic states, in your case, you've got mapping in a particular portion of the brain, that elicits this response. My educated guess is that you've got a transient or permanent "cold spot" in local neurochemical action and probably blood supply as well. Too small to be seen on an electroencephalogram, and because its transient, its not likely to show up anyway, even if it was a large enough anology to be discernable within the spectral resolution of the detection method. |
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So here is the recipe for control that I'd like to suggest: One. Regular cardio exercise - daily. Once at least, twice preferred..and in this case one of those is a moderately paced walk. Attention paid to breathing regulation. |
| Two. Hourly breathing practice, as in belly breathing, nice slow evenly paced breath by filling first the belly, then the chest -- but NOT forced breathing. We want to disconnect the solar plexus stimulation of NE in the hypothalamus, and reduce the viscious cycle of stress response cause and effect (breath holding, pretty sure you do this, ID). |
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Third, I want you to consider taurine as regular supplement. It should help with the vasoconstriction issues and also act as an osmoregulatory buffer. Even out funciton in that cold spot. Fourth, this is a GABAnergic issue, and I'd like you to try theanine as an adjunct supplement, primarily in the afternoon and evening. You'll have to play with dose and timing. |
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Do this, and I think you will find this annoying problem will cease. I'd like you to report back here, to this thread, on occasion to update progress if any, let us see how this regimine works. If it does, nice thing is, folk will find it when they do a google search, and others might benefit as well. How does this sound to you? Do-able? |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
>So the stress is Sleep Deprevation. What would cause this?
Excess stress, unconscious breath holding...changes in localized neurochemistry from stress or its secondary effects on glutamine, taurine, calcium and other ions. Stress effects are somewhat ccumulative. As you mention, there are seasonal effects (allergies), changes in time management, changes in light levels and ambient temperatures, both of which affect melatonin and sleep directly (Circadian Rhythms) and autocrine response less directly. |
. Thinking about it; Stress could be a factor, as it was shortly after his first seizure when these symptons first began, however there has been nothing recently to cause the return. |
>What is meant by attention paid to breathing Regulation? http://www.paniccure.com/Approaches/..._Breathing.htm Breath holding? Yes sir. Reflexive, unconscious, habitual. |
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>L-theanine I will have to look into, as we have some whacky custom regulation with regards to aminos, I think individual aminos used to be banned in Canada for sale. Would Green Tea or White Tea or an extract provide a sufficient amount? We had an interesting thread on green tea, back in Feb at Mind and Muscle. I recommended the Japanse approach of grinding the tea for maximum theanine liberation, and several forum members found this worked beautifully. Green tea has many bioactive constitutents. Antioxidant, blood thinner, also I believe its a vasodilator (could be wrong). Also has cAMP action. High doses are controversial (long story with liver microsomal cytochrome P450s). |
| Can you order GABA? Small doses during the day might be beneficial as well. |
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>Why would of the Phantom Smells dissapeared for a year? and return around the same time in the year again? Allergy? *shrug* My oricular talents only go so far...you're guess is as good as mine, since you know more of the changes in life circumstances relevant here. Could be allergies, they are involved in the immune response to seasonal pollens and molds. Do you have problems with allergies? Are you tired? Feeling a lack of energy? Could be that what is causing your phantom smell is also kicking up your allergies, if you have them (stress loading effect), or it could be that its the kicker (incremental additional stress factor) that pushes you over a response threshold. |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
>Thinking about it; Stress could be a factor, as it was shortly after his first seizure when these symptons first began, however there has been nothing recently to cause the return.
Any chance you're using a whey protein product with extra glutamine added? Unless its your whey protein that triggering it. Now that's more like it, in terms of probabilty as catalyst for your condition. Might want to list your supps for us, jest to make sure theres not another chemical trigger. http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/i...howtopic=23615 |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
Ahhh. Now we are getting somewhere.
Ergolean AMP, Meltpoint, Basic Cuts. Bodytype, adipose percentage (estimated), water retention tendency, and blood sugar control (hypoglycemic? family history of diabetes?) - brief description please. Also duration of use of each of these supps. |
| Quesion: what were you using the last time the phantom smell symptoms occured? Were you doing seasonal cutting for the summer? Month or more into a cutting phase? |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
Gotcha.
Not the Ergolean (although it might have added to the problem). Have you used MP and Basic Cuts before? Nope What did you use on your last cutting cycle (Spring 05)? Just a semi decent diet. Whadday think? I see a possible correlation, along with a moderately high stress load/lack of sleep last year and sleep abnormalities this year. Sleep problems from the supps? Of something else. WRT to Ephedrine and Caffiene? if so, the problem was mood and attitude related, very irratible ON Whey, they don't add glutamine to it, right? Just over 4 grams of Glutamine and precusors |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
> last cutting cycle (Spring 05)? Just a semi decent diet.
>Ephedrine and Caffiene? if so, the problem was mood and attitude related, very irratible Did they cause sleep interruption? Did you use them last Spring? Sorry to be obtuse here, but I need you to be quite clear. Nope no stimulants last year, haven't in at least a couple of years >Just over 4 grams of Glutamine and precusors How many servings per day? More than two? some days yes. also have MRM BCAA+G that I use on occasion during strenous physical activities (approx 3 g of Glutamine) Do you recall having similar sleep problems the last time these symptoms occured? Sleep problems were more attributed to my son who just started daycare at the time, Constant sicknesses and some febrile seizures, so we were always on watch during the night when fevers arrived. Not the same situation as now. Could have different triggering events. Otherwise, I can only suggest you try the supps suggested...and perhaps consider dropping the MP for the time being. What would be in Melting Point that would impact these symptoms? It is TTA and Flax, I wouldn't think they had any stimulant properties. I will talk to TP about the Basic Cuts to see if it might be problematic for you to use. Thanks Are you still having sleep problems? Phantom smell symptoms? My sleeping patterns are not what I would call acceptable or where I am used to them being. Assuming I am getting 7-8 hrs sleep a night, I tend to wake once or twice, and am usually lethargic in the am. Where as I used to just get up and go. Today has been a good day WRT to Phantom Smells. only once so far about 5 mins. I should be able to get those supps. I have a friend coming up from Boston in the next couple of weeks, I will ask him to smuggle them Booked a Doc appointment as well. |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
Correct.
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Hey Trouble.
What are your thoughts on Migrane Auras? Could this be a cause? |
| Very unlikely. Most migraine auras involve visual, neurosensory deficits etc. Neurologists do not consider this very high in the differential. Once again, sleep deprived EEG, MRI are the usual tests done here to rule out complex partial seizures and mass and once those are negative we can pursue benign causes like some of the ones Trouble mentioned. |
| But, I also understand the constraints your family doctor is under in Canada. |
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
I just don't see that happening unfortunately. Trying to get another Doc to refer me will be impossible, It was hard enough finding another Family doc after the last one moved.
Care to elaborate? |
) Apparently, the restrictions imposed on the primary care practioner for such expensive tests are many. ( 1/3 of the patients at Dartmouth Hitchcock medical center were Canadians..many just getting elective surgery) This is starting to happen with some of the HMOs here so it is not a problem just endemic to Canada.
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Originally Posted by Itanner
I have had that same phantom cigarette smoke smell haunting me for about a year...it is every few weeks and only lasts about 3 to 5 minutes. It is so strong that it makes me cough..feels like smoke is filling my lungs and I can't breathe....
I found this thread as I was checking into it....what else have you found out about it in your search? |
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Originally Posted by Itanner
I have had that same phantom cigarette smoke smell haunting me for about a year...it is every few weeks and only lasts about 3 to 5 minutes. It is so strong that it makes me cough..feels like smoke is filling my lungs and I can't breathe....
I found this thread as I was checking into it....what else have you found out about it in your search? |
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Originally Posted by Hoglander
I can smell when women are on their period. They have another smell when they are not. Sometimes there is no smell. Older women have the no smell. It's odd, I know. In fact I kind of don't like it.
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
I think I have narrowed my symptoms down to Seasonal allergies and lack of sleep,....
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Yes but all my EEG results came back normal?!?!
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Originally Posted by bandaidwoman
If he had olefactory hallucinations and olefactory delusions ( a condition in which you persistently believe that the smell and its source exist, even though they do not.) he might be schizophrenic but otherwise the most common cause of olefactory hallucinations is still a temporal lobe seizure. It's interesting ian says he gets them when sleep deprived since sleep deprivation lowers the threshold for seizures.
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Originally Posted by Yanick
i was joking. i just finished my psych clinicals this week and had psychoses on the brain.
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, sorry if i come off a little too serious.
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