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Posted by: whiffin

OKay, I'm 26. 5'8", 18.5% BF, 179lbs and am going to start a bulking cycle in a month or two.

My diet/routine/rest will be nailed perfectly.

The cycle I was thinking of was:

Weeks 1-4: Dbol at 30mg day
Weeks 1-11: Sust at 500mg week

Then 2 weeks off, then for PCT:

Weeks 14-16: Nolva @ 20mg day
Weeks 14-16: Clomid, varying dosages totaling 1800mg in 3 weeks

Keep 500mg Nolva on hand in case of gyno.

1. I am unsure whether to take 10mg/day Nolva throughout weeks 1-16 to prevent bloating, good or bad idea?

2. I have a high altitude cycling trip organised. 3500-4500m, 10-14 days in Peru, 5 days on the saddle. I know that bulking will not do my CV any good, but .... which cycle do you guys think is best ...

a) As above, and ensure that my last jab is before I leave. Then I can treat my high CV trip as a post-bulk cutting exercise when I still have test in my blood. I'll start PCT 2 weeks later when I return. I could take Nolva with me if needed.

b) Swap weeks 9-11 from Sust to somethink like Prop with a shorter half life. Then I can start PCT a day or two after my last jab. Work it so that PCT finishes a few days before my trip.

Will a) or b) be better, in your opinion, and why. I'd like to keep as much gains as I can, obviously.

I don't want to wait until after my trip as I'll probably be doing another cycle end January ...

This will be my first cycle

All ideas appreciated

Thanks

Posted by: Pirate!

You should do a short cutting cycle that allows you to finsish a month of pct 2 weeks before your cycle trip. If you do that cycle trip during pct, you will lose all your gains. When does your cycle trip begin? Your nolva dose during pct is way too small.

Posted by: whiffin

Really want to bulk not cut though ... I am fine to finish PCT before I leave (27th Sep) - and will take me 2 weeks to get gear.

That's why I though substituting sust for prop so I can start PCT earlier.

How's about

Weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 30mg/day
Weeks 1-6 Sust @ 500mg/week
Weeks 7-9 Prop @ 500mg/week
Weeks 1-9 Nolva @ 10mg/day

Then a few days off (as prop disappears quickly and sust and dbol already gone), then for PCT

Weeks 1-3: Nolva 20mg/day
Weeks 1-3 Clomid (varying amounts averaging 600mg/week)

Then 2 weeks off (still bulking)

Then go to Peru and cut a little - natural ...

I could fit that in, would it work?

What dosage of Nolva would you suggest for PCT? Bear in mind that I have clomid also ...

Posted by: Pirate!

If you transistion from sustanon to prop like that, you will have too much test in your system during week 7 because you will have most of the sustanon still in your system. If you haven't ordered your gear yet, why not go with Test Cyp or Test Enan? This would be a better choice than sustanon.

PCT should last atleast 4 weeks, and your nolva dose should be closer to 60mg/day for the first few weeks. Don't cut calories or do cardio (or biking) during pct or you will lose your muscle.

Posted by: LAM

bulking at 18% is a VERY bad idea. your insullin sensitivity is already low and the additon of anabolics/adrogenic steroids is only going to decrease your glucose tolerance even more. using steroids at higher bf levels will results is far less than optimum gains.

Posted by: whiffin

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If you transistion from sustanon to prop like that, you will have too much test in your system during week 7 because you will have most of the sustanon still in your system.

Hmmmn, that's true, could I not knock week 7 out, or at least have a low dosage of Prop instead.

Quote:

If you haven't ordered your gear yet, why not go with Test Cyp or Test Enan? This would be a better choice than sustanon.

From what I've been reading people have been rating Sust very highly over other kinds of test for newbies. Why would Test Cyp or Test Enan be better? - please educate me

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PCT should last atleast 4 weeks, and your nolva dose should be closer to 60mg/day for the first few weeks. Don't cut calories or do cardio (or biking) during pct or you will lose your muscle.

Gotcha, increasing Nolva is easy. Will it be OK to cut calories and do cardio a week or two AFTER PCT?

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Bulking at 18% is a VERY bad idea. your insullin sensitivity is already low and the additon of anabolics/adrogenic steroids is only going to decrease your glucose tolerance even more. using steroids at higher bf levels will results is far less than optimum gains.

You think I should rethink my plan completely and cut? I want to get bigger more than lose weight though ... after the cycle will PCT not put glucose tolerance etc back to normal?

Cheers guys, you're helping a lot

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by whiffin

steroids are most effective when the user has low-medium body fat. when the body has low-medium body fat it is a good sign that insulin sensivity is high (glucose tolerance is also high). that has a positive effect on nutrient partitioning, which means more nutrients to the muscles cells and less to the fat cells. when body fat is high just the opposite occurs. it's very easy to go from 18 to 21-22% body fat when bulking. which is no where that you want to be.

Posted by: whiffin

OKay, I'll be honest, I haven't looked into cutting ...

If I changed my cycle to a cutting cycle, quite like to get Winstrol in there. Don't know if this should replace or be in addition to DBol and Sust though...

You can see my time scales ... and I wanna get bigger eventually, certainly want to gain muscle even if on a cut.

What could I change in order to make this an effective cutting cycle, I know it's more down to diet etc .... but I know different roids can make a difference.

From what I've been reading, with my above bulk I could gain 14-28 lbs of bulk, keeping 7-14 lbs of lean mass if I was very careful etc. Would expected BF to raise a bit, but not if I was careful with my diet and watched what was happenning. What sort of results could I expect from a cutting cycle?

I do not want to sacrifice what I currently have for cutting, infact even when cutting I want to put on muscle.

Ideas???

Thanks

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiffin

OKay, I'll be honest, I haven't looked into cutting ...

If I changed my cycle to a cutting cycle, quite like to get Winstrol in there. Don't know if this should replace or be in addition to DBol and Sust though...

You can see my time scales ... and I wanna get bigger eventually, certainly want to gain muscle even if on a cut.

What could I change in order to make this an effective cutting cycle, I know it's more down to diet etc .... but I know different roids can make a difference.

From what I've been reading, with my above bulk I could gain 14-28 lbs of bulk, keeping 7-14 lbs of lean mass if I was very careful etc. Would expected BF to raise a bit, but not if I was careful with my diet and watched what was happenning. What sort of results could I expect from a cutting cycle?

I do not want to sacrifice what I currently have for cutting, infact even when cutting I want to put on muscle.

Ideas???

Thanks

how many cycles have you done ?

Posted by: whiffin

I'm a still a virgin in this respect ....

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by whiffin

I'm a still a virgin in this respect ....

well that makes it easy.

Week 1-10 : test enanthate @ 500 mg/wk
Week 1-03 : T3 @ 25 mcg/ED
Week 4-10 : T3 @ 50 mcg/ED

Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiffin

From what I've been reading people have been rating Sust very highly over other kinds of test for newbies. Why would Test Cyp or Test Enan be better? - please educate me

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